One thing that has always bugged in RTW is the fact that Britain seems to always become a superpower in my games. In the last one I was playing as Egypt and heading up Italy, only to find Rome was blue! Does anyone know why Britain seems so good as an AI team (or is this just in my games?)?

If you can't beat 'em, be 'em.

Thats my philosophy.

Germania starts with poor econimy and expanding mostly west, while gaul is fighting rome and spain. And of course, germania and gaul are fighting each other.. While britania has all of 1 territory to guard and 2 highly distracted neighbors. It would be hard for them to lose.

Germania starts with poor econimy and expanding mostly west, while gaul is fighting rome and spain. And of course, germania and gaul are fighting each other.. While britania has all of 1 territory to guard and 2 highly distracted neighbors. It would be hard for them to lose.

Patched?

Like Swiss Bezerker said, their immediate rivals aren't exactly the best around :mischief:

Try Gauls and see how the Brits do it firsthand :lol:

When i tried to download the patch, my computer screwed up, and i had to reinstall RTW.

Same thing happened to me, just couldn't start a new game. I installed Barbarian Invasion to patch it up.

That works? then maybe my game is patched, since i have gold edition. Makes sense now why i can play online....

Whenever I played with the Julii or Scipii, the Gaulish lands were only a battlefield for the Germans and Britons, except the south part, where I was advancing towards Carthaginian Spain city by city. All central and northern Gaul was simply a place to live and recruit, and the Britons and Germans fought each other over the whole country, without regard for the natives.

that is because the computer always focuses on the human player: if you play as the gauls, the britains and germans will focus on you.

Britains have the chariot. When the comp autocalcs to resolve battles between themselves, the Chariot has a stupidly high value. Thus everyone else gets stomped. Play the chariots and you find out why this doesn't seem right.

(German spearmen will pawn the Chariots in most situations).

I tried playing as the Britons. I almost got wiped out on the mainland, and there are nearly constant barbarian/rebel uprising on the Island (England) itself. The Gauls and the Germans are constantly demanding that I become a protectorate (I obviously tell them to eff off), and those people have no honor whatsoever. Every time we make peace, almost without fail two turns later they break their word and attack me (even if we have an alliance). I captured a territory in Russia of all places fairly early in the game, and nobody has really seemed to attack that, and I have also taken 2 cities from the Gauls and 1 from the Germans. The Britons are, however, greatly blessed when it comes to family members, the only faction I've seen that gets more family members are the Greeks.

I don't really see how the Britons could become a superpower. They have a pathetic variety of units, and most of which are ungodly expensive for a pitiful economy. There are times when I don't even have the funding to retrain peasants (well this was a starting unit they gave me, and I had to make do). I don't really see how they could outfit an entire army of heavy chariots, chosen swordsmen, and head hurlers (not a hugely effective unit, but they are fairly high up on the requirements aspect of things, that's why I mentioned them). I can see how many nations could become superpowers, but there is no way the Britons could effectively become a superpower under the AI's control. At least that I've seen.

its easy they get about 3 units of chariots and the autocalc does the rest of the work for them. There armies are always really small too.

Really? My diplomat have seen a few full banners of Brits marching towards the Germans from time to time..

from time to time. I always see maybe one or two full stacks and about 9 stacks with about 2-3 chariots in it and a couple of warbands....:p

Always means "all the time" in my dictionary :lol:

*ahem*

I meant "i usually see it",

that was just..umm yeah. :/

Owkay, just pullin your leg a bit Kal'thzar :lol:

No hard feelings :)

I know :/ Just you know.....blah

any of you guys play any mods? RTR takes away britian completly, and EB makes them extreamly hard.

yeh RTW gold is the most patched up version.

any of you guys play any mods? RTR takes away britian completly, and EB makes them extreamly hard.

yeh RTW gold is the most patched up version.
Takes away britain completely? Does it?

Yes. It takes away Britain, makes the Roman factions into one, and adds Illyria.

Really? My diplomat have seen a few full banners of Brits marching towards the Germans from time to time..

I'm saying when I AM PLAYING AS THE BRITS. It is a real pain to raise an army of such expensive units (expensive for this nation). You won't be improving your cities much when trying to do so.

It can be done, but you must neglect improving your cities.

I don't really see how the Britons could become a superpower. They have a pathetic variety of units, and most of which are ungodly expensive for a pitiful economy. There are times when I don't even have the funding to retrain peasants (well this was a starting unit they gave me, and I had to make do)what? All you have to do is start piling warbands n top of warbands, and starve them out of their cities! You can always retreat to the island in case of necessity, and in the first field encounters, you should push the Gauls and Germans one against the other, and fight only field encounters using PArthian tectics: just light chariots!

I was Rome (Julii) and I beat the Gauls, took the Brit's continental lands and prepared for the invasion of Britian. I split my armies to get each city at the same time. One of my armies (about 600 men) was ambushed by a huge full Brit army.....and we were utterly destroyed.

Yes. They have huge armies.

germany is usely halfway conquerd by the brittons.
another superpower are the egyptions :P
macidon dose good allso.

Britains have the chariot. When the comp autocalcs to resolve battles between themselves, the Chariot has a stupidly high value. Thus everyone else gets stomped. Play the chariots and you find out why this doesn't seem right.

(German spearmen will pawn the Chariots in most situations).


The same with Egypt.

They just sprawl over that corner of the map. I lauched an amphibious invasion of Egypt with crack units and lots of good ships. I managed to take over the Nile river but there navy just pounded any reenforcements.

The same with Egypt.

They just sprawl over that corner of the map. I lauched an amphibious invasion of Egypt with crack units and lots of good ships. I managed to take over the Nile river but there navy just pounded any reenforcements.

Of course, Although I like to think that the stratigic situation of the Selcuids also has a lot to do with the Egyptions sprawling over that map corner. (although if the selucuids are played properly, they'll kill off those chariots easily.)

To solve Briton's money woes just use the cheat.

~add_money 20000

IF you want to cheat :p

I only ever use ~Toggle_fow, just to check out the other factions (in fact i havn't looked up the other cheats yet).

I presume you can type in any number btw?

In unpatched RTW, the max amount you can add is 20000 dinarii.

I'm not for cheats, takes the fun out of the game. Although occasionally I'd transport that huge army led by <character name> to the far edges of the world, away from my army :p

It's oddly amusing to see Vindex or Cynfawr strolling in the deserts of North Africa :lol:

what? All you have to do is start piling warbands n top of warbands, and starve them out of their cities! You can always retreat to the island in case of necessity, and in the first field encounters, you should push the Gauls and Germans one against the other, and fight only field encounters using PArthian tectics: just light chariots!
I tried playing the Gauls and Germans against one another, they signed a peace treaty, then formed an alliance and attacked me.

Warbands aren't very affective, they just die a lot.

The tactic I found most effective was loading my army half full with ranged units and having the best infantry I can get hold the line, all the while my ranged units are massacring them at a distance.

With the Illyrians I found that Warbands could be effectively used to circle round the enemy or take on whatever the Greeks have on the flank. They can often have heavy casualties but they fulfill their purpose.

With the Illyrians I found that Warbands could be effectively used to circle round the enemy or take on whatever the Greeks have on the flank. They can often have heavy casualties but they fulfill their purpose.
My tactics with the Illyrians is somewhat opposite from that which I use with other factions. Because they are so heavily dependent on skirmishers, I tend to use them much more than I ever would with another faction. Also, I try to hire as many Bastarnae and Thracian mercenaries as my income allows, that is the main melee infantry unit that I use. I tend to shy away from warbands for the reason you stated, they die far too easily, and in most cases I find its better to train new ones and sacrifice your cities populations than to retrain them.

Again there are exceptions, such as when I'm assaulting Gaul and I need reinforcements NOW, not in 4 turns.

Britain is pretty much one-dimensional. Contrast that to a Roman or even German (early game) faction. You know what you are going to face, and know the tactics to make short work of them. Britain sinks fast, when I play the Germans in particular. :D

Britain, Germany, Gauls, Spanish? whats that? pure butter for med factions... An militia phalanx from the early game can kill of half an army of the best barbarian troops.

If you can't beat 'em, be 'em.

Thats my philosophy.

hey look at me for example

I find that in RTW they lose their continental lands first to the Gauls and then the Julii but noone ever bothers to invade the smalll islands unless it's me. And i usually play as the scipii so i go in a completely different direction

I often see them building an empire, which contains conquering Germania, Northern Gaul and Dacia. And then Macedonia. :eek:

Britain usually gets owned in my games

I find that Selecuids are underestimated and the Britons over estimated when I play Rome.

The Selecuids have huge amounts of money, yet they get beaten by the egyptians nearly every time I play as another faction.

The Selecuids have huge amounts of money, yet they get beaten by the egyptians nearly every time I play as another faction.


Or by the Parthians, or Armenians..

In the game that I just finished, the Britons conquered all the way into southern France but still have not captured Ireland yet :crazyeye: .
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/108813/brittania.JPG

I once saw a game where Britons conquered whole Gaul, Germania and Dacia. Also conquered northern Greece. :crazyeye:

I don't get how Germania keeps on losing to Brittania. The warbands are pathetic and the chariots will get slaughtered by the spearmen.

as said earlier. "in auto resolve the chariot is way overpowered and destroys the enemy"

:bump:

Had to reinstall Rome after some nasty crash problems, so I'm taking the time to play a nice vanilla game. I was planning to expand slowly, but that was scuppered when Briton decided to play in Europe.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3817/rtw03sx6.jpg

They also owned part of eastern France before I took it, and I'm fairly certain that Germanian province along the Baltic is now theirs as well. I'm launching a massive assault into Gaul in order to force Briton back west, possibly even taking it to the Isles.

As has been stated, it's the auto-calc that kills the enemies of Briton. I found out the hard way I auto-calced a battle (I do it against rebels or when I have overwhelming numbers) - I won, but it took out 300 of my troops when it should have been far, far lower.

In the game that I just finished, the Britons conquered all the way into southern France but still have not captured Ireland yet :crazyeye: .
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/108813/brittania.JPG

Well Ireland wasdn't conquered until 1177 or 11something anyway. :ar15: :ar15: :ar15: :ar15: We will fight to the end

But seriously the AI never bothers to get Ireland as it involves boat trips.

:bump:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3817/rtw03sx6.jpg


That's the farthest South that I've ever seen the Britons get to :wow:

Then you should be scared when they are besieging Apollonia...

:bump:

Had to reinstall Rome after some nasty crash problems, so I'm taking the time to play a nice vanilla game. I was planning to expand slowly, but that was scuppered when Briton decided to play in Europe.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3817/rtw03sx6.jpg

They also owned part of eastern France before I took it, and I'm fairly certain that Germanian province along the Baltic is now theirs as well. I'm launching a massive assault into Gaul in order to force Briton back west, possibly even taking it to the Isles.

As has been stated, it's the auto-calc that kills the enemies of Briton. I found out the hard way I auto-calced a battle (I do it against rebels or when I have overwhelming numbers) - I won, but it took out 300 of my troops when it should have been far, far lower.
What year is this?

Around 220 BC, if I remember rightly.

my i was playing the green romans
i had all modern day greece up to the border of modern day germany (around)and south provences and the east provance in modern day italy (segesta)i think
red romans had thier starting prov and 2 to the west

the british had wiped out gaul took over all of modern day germany and declared war on roman factions when i was at war with the senate

good game
this pic sums it up

Why didn't you post a pic from the save, but instead an Paint-edited pic?

Why didn't you post a pic from the save, but instead an Paint-edited pic?

because lost the game disk so i can't go back on till ive found It:blush:

Around 220 BC, if I remember rightly.

Would be a sight if they march all the way to Rome.

Or Croton, even :D

It would indeed be a sight, considering I'm the Julii! I think if they had managed that I would give up on Total War for good...out of shame :lol:

But no, twenty years of war later and Gaul and the British Isles are mine (excepting Ireland). The Britons are now, ironically, on the historical German borders and have taken their place as my northern barbarian nemesis. Iberia is my current threat - lots of large armies, that seem quite willing to launch kamikaze runs into my own forces. Silly Spaniards.