Please Dont Post Until I Say Im Done!
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Untitled-1_copy1.jpg

Egyptian Swordsman:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/EGTsword.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/egyptiankm.gif
Unit:http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Egyptian_KM.zip

Madjai Archer:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/NUBarcher.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Medjai2.gif
Unit:http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Medjai.zip

Info: The Medjai were Nubian (kush) archer mercenaries that the Egyptians used. This could be a UU for Nubia or a archer replacement for Egypt.

Numidian Calvary
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/NUMhorseman.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Numidian.gif
Unit:http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Numidian.zip

Info:Numidia was an African Berber kingdom, in modern Tunisia. Carthage used the Numidian mercenaries in war, I think this is a better UU than the other Numidian Mercenary from PTW.

Habiru Spearman:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/HBIspear.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Habiru.gif
Unit:http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Habiru.zip

Info:The Habiru were a group of nomads in Cannon, modern Iseral. The may have been the Hebrew people that were in Egypt at the time of Moses. Its the Axum Spearman, I just changed the clothing. This could be used as a Middle Eastern/North African spearman

Reserved 2

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Ok, you can post now.
I will make 2 more North African units. If you want to make a request in this thread thats fine

Finally, you're done. Superb work! And very useful, since I can now replace some older units in that role. Thanks!

Great...make some WWII N. Africans too ;)

no, nothing after 1800s

:wow:.... thank you Shiro. This is wonderful! I`m so glad I didn`t go to bed earlier :goodjob:

Its your bedtime stormrage. Its' past 2:00 am :|

Tomorrow is my day off :) But I have to get up in 4 hours to drive my gf to work! :cringe: Stupid work, if it isn`t mine, its somebody else`s! :mad:

Great units Shiro!
I like the Habiru and the Madjai best :goodjob:

Nice! Definitly high quality work. :thumbsup:

Oh, and somebody realy should do something about that cuirass prop - protects your belly but leaves your chest wide open for pointy sharp thingies? :crazyeye:

Very good! :goodjob:

no requests?

Very nice Shiro! I especially like the Egyptian Swordsman.

Well, what else is there to request? :)

Look at Steve's Chariot of War conversions, there are dozens of units that could need a worthy successor. ;)

Bah, make fantasy units, we don`t have enough :mischief:





....there is never enough!

chariots are too hard

And they all look the same :mischief:

...wait.. so do tanks :crazyeye:

Not the chariots, they're okay. But there are lots of infantry units, too.

Look here : http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=88018

Oooh, make the german champion, we`ll pretend he is from North Africa :D

Why, I'm here already? *baaaaad joke*

these are AWESOME Shiro! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Re: Requests.. does Ethiopia count as "North" Africa? If so please consider the other Ethiopian units here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=101784).

I know you already made the Axum guy... but I really love the way these Ethiopians look and I love your units (they're quite cool) :)

i would consider sudan, ethiopia and samolia as east Africa.

i would consider sudan, ethiopia and samolia as east Africa.

Aw shucks! Gosh, i was really hoping you'd squint and consider Ethiopia "North"... :lol:

I almost did include east africa. But i wanted to make this nonblack african pack. So you dont have to use a nubian spearman for numidia.

Holy Sacred Mother of Pearl! :insane: :impious: I am stupefied!!!!! Ack ack ack ack ack! :explode: :billthecat: Am I nuts, or is that a Numidian Cavalryman who actually throws his javelins??? :inseventhheaven: :Phillycreamcheeseangel: :utterlossforwords:

Shiro, I love you.

The German barbarians from Steph's "Chariots of War" conversions (not the chariots) would be my request.

zulu was working on one similar kind of guy, but sadly I don't think he ever released it.

:stillshaking:

Doms numidian calvary threw this javelin, but the model looks small and there was no reload.

So no one has any requests for any NORTH african units?

Does anyone know if we have any Moroccan or Egyptian Musketmen? I can't think of any off my head. This might fill a gap for some people, though it is not a request for myself.

any photos?

North African Sioux cavalry?

I think that was almost the plot of Hidalgo

Btw, nice units. The Numidian Cavalry is the best (but why is he caucasian?)
Kinboat and DP both did north africa. Kb did a ton of units and they were superb. I guess between them and whoever else and what you've got here, pre-industrial N Africa is pretty well represented.
Unless you have a camel prop..

because North Africa is a mostly caucasian. "North African" is a term for caucasians native in North Africa.
Dont mistake Numidia with Nubia

Doms numidian calvary threw this javelin, but the model looks small and there was no reload.The version of the unit I've got only has an underhanded spear thrust for an attack, although I do remember Dom promising to redo the unit with a thrown javelin attack. I didn't realise he actually did that.So no one has any requests for any NORTH african units?Sorry, I got carried away. :blush:

Seeing how you've included Canaan among the "North Africans," then might I request that you make an Israelite warrior from about the time of King Saul through Kings David & Solomon to the Exile? Steph's conversion of the "Gibborim Auxillia" (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=1836087&postcount=42) would be a good place to start, I guess. Too bad I don't have my "picture bible" around anywhere right now. I'll see if I can find some pics off the DBAOL site.

I only included the Habiru because i had done most of it before I decided to make this a pack. I want to focus on North Africa

Absolutely 100% sensational :thumbsup: !!

Oh, okay. In that case, the only other North African units I can think of would be:

--Some more of those wicked looking Ethiopians (some with flintlocks) that Plotinus (if memory serves) requested. Super big spearheads, whitish robes, crazy black hair...

--A Vandal warrior of some kind (the Germanic barbarians that took over Carthage from the Romans). Heck, for this maybe all one need do is reanimate CivArmy's Visigoth model...!

--A Ptolemaic Phalangite (before the Roman acquisition of Egypt).

--A Berber or Arabic soldier from the early Muslim conquests of North Africa. Foot soldier would be nice here, as we've got plenty of mounted Arabic units.

--Maybe even an Axumite soldier (I've no clue what they looked like!!!)

Dunno if any of that piques your interest. Obviously North Africa is not my historical forté.

Ethiopia and Nubia arent apart of North Africa.
I want something native to North Africa so no romans or vandels. Carthage is ok

Hmmm. Then I'm fresh out of ideas. The only Carthaginian unit I can think of that I'd like is a nicer version of that Celtiberian legionary-type guy, but that's only a mercenary from Iberia that the Carthaginians employed, not a native Carthaginian at all. Drat. Hope somebody else has got better suggestions! At any rate, I'm off to bed. My going-to-sleep is long overdue.

Cheers,

Mithadan

P.S. I am really glad to see some historical units again (not to denigrate all that fun fantasy stuff, of course). Many thanks!

Ok, you can post now.
I will make 2 more North African units. If you want to make a request in this thread thats fineCool! How about some more Israelis units?:D

NORTH african

Excellent job... It's always nice when people bring out packs of units and stuff. As your asking for requests, how about Moorish units. Moorish cavalry perhaps?

Shiro these are absolutely amazing! Thank you very much for the Canaanite-ish spearman especially, he was a badly-needed Bronze Age unit indeed! :goodjob:

Some North African possibilities:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/Fox_Morris/1117_face.jpg
North African Slinger. Skin-tone variation would make this fella almost universal 'tween Egypt, Nubia, Libya and Carthage.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/Fox_Morris/1865_face.jpg
Libyan Egyptian Cavalry

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/Fox_Morris/1861_face.jpg
Since Carthage utilized these Iberian-Celtic units, the Carthaginian Swordsman
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/Fox_Morris/1860_face.jpg
...and companion piece. . .the Carthage Spearman. Could also double as a late Phoenician spear unit as well?

Let me have a look at my Osprey books...

Some ideas for a start. There's more if you want.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/muslims1.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/muslims2.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/muslims3.jpg

How about making some Mamluk or Hafsid units?:) I could use them for my new scenario.

And very nice units btw:goodjob:

Make all of those! :D

Numidian Calvary
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/NUMhorseman.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Numidian.gif
Unit:http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Numidian.zip

Info:Numidia was an African Berber kingdom, in modern Tunisia. Carthage used the Numidian mercenaries in war, I think this is a better UU than the other Numidian Mercenary from PTW.
yess :P this is definitly a MUST-DOWNLOAD :) perfect also for the Barbarians (since the Numidian Kingdoms were at civil war during the prime of the Carthagian rule)

That archer is also superb (actualy all 4 are) since I finaly got a good UU for my Sudan/Nubia civ

Guys? Whats up with the horse`s front legs? he looks like is going to either brake them or fall down during the attack anim?

Oooh, frickin' eh! Do some of those Muslim Conquest units that Ares posted, for sure!

(Oh, and if you're thinking of doing COAtlantis1745's Iberian-Celtic "Carthaginian Swordsman," see if you can get Ares to scan "plate F" of Osprey Men-at-Arms 121 Armies of the Carthaginian Wars 265-146BC for a cooler pic of this guy.)

Editted out of existence...

Didn't realize there was a page 3...

Oooh, frickin' eh! Do some of those Muslim Conquest units that Ares posted, for sure!

(Oh, and if you're thinking of doing COAtlantis1745's Iberian-Celtic "Carthaginian Swordsman," see if you can get Ares to scan "plate F" of Osprey Men-at-Arms 121 Armies of the Carthaginian Wars 265-146BC for a cooler pic of this guy.)


YEEESSS, those Muslim blokes should do the trick from ancient time to modern

If they don't already been made just crank up some that fought the French Legion mid-19th century upto WW1. Especially horsebacks cavalry.

The ones already made is just top quality. Good on you mate

Great units, Shiro. :)

These look great.:) :goodjob:

OMG you made the Habiru ??? :eek:
That thing is in my mod; i thought no one made/willmakeit so i added a strange looking spearman instead.
This is great. :goodjob:

Can i make a request too ? I see there are a lot of them over here... oh well, there is no harm in trying. But i should ask if it exists first.
Did anyone ever make a moorish cavalry unit ?

Oh, baby! These will really help my mod, thank you, :D.

BTW: Could you do an Eyptian with a bow and arrow? I know Kinboat mad made one, but I need two for my mod.

can you upload some photos of moorish calvary?

http://www.artehistoria.com/historia/jpg/BAC09690.jpg

The Moorish are the ones with turbans ;)

Shiro I have never been able to get used to the upload system. Here is the link to the picture I had in mind at dba http://www.dbaol.com/armies/army_65_figure_1.htm

Good Job all of your units

Wonderful additions, Shiro :thumbsup:

Many Thanks,

Oz

So it was never made ??? That is strange...

@machia: I'm not quite sure those are moorish cavalrymen... I seem to recall them being a berber nation so they have a more darker shade of the skin.
The moorish neophytes formed only a part of the muslim army that conquered spain. So in that picture those must be the other part of the army.

@shiro: I searched for a picture of a moorish cavalryman when i was looking for a wonder splash and i didn't found anything. :sad:
This is the closest thing to it:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c7/Moors1.jpg
This looks better, and more specific. (it is also the wondersplash for my "mauri" wonder :D). They look better with that black hood-turban thingy than with the turban. This way they could be used in pre-muslim scenarios like the roman empire ones.

http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1929_face.jpg http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1931_face.jpg Imperial Arab (http://www.dbaol.com/armies/army_100_figure_1.htm)

http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1923_face.jpg http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1918_face.jpg http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1921_face.jpg http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1049_face.jpg http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1919_face.jpg Berber (http://www.dbaol.com/armies/army_125_figure_1.htm) & Moorish (http://www.dbaol.com/armies/army_65_figure_1.htm)

http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1080_face.jpg http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1084_face.jpg High Moorish (Granada) (http://www.dbaol.com/armies/army_155_figure_1.htm)

The thing is unit makers don`t have acces (yet, atleast I haven`t noticed one?) to an arabian horse breed model :)
Poser horses are just plain ...fat.

Odin - I think Rob made an Egyptian archer.

An emphatic "yes" to all the Moorish stuff above!!! (Mind you, I'd prefer foot units over mounted units as there are quite a few mounted-types already...but whatever.)

well the poser horse is skinny. I use utahjazz's morphs to make it fat.

Im going to make the Moorish calvary
and a foot unit.

Where can I see a default poser horse?

Moors are cool :cool: Thanks.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/MC_Defult.gif

Looking good...

because North Africa is a mostly caucasian. "North African" is a term for caucasians native in North Africa.
Dont mistake Numidia with NubiaI Did! And I'll do it again! AHAHAHAHA

But do you have accesss to a camel model? That's the most needed deserty type unit

no I dont, but Dom and Aluminiums AoE conversions both have camel riders

I have two Requests/Ideas

Light Ancient Egyptian Infantry:
Egyptian Dude wth a loincloth and little or no other armor, maybe a buckler or some other small shield, with a spear or a sling or both. He's poor and can't afford the good stuff like armor and Kopeshes.

And...

Barbary Corsair
Fellow in a Turban and such, with a scimtar and a flintlock pistol.

The Moor looks great! Even the horse looks better, somehow :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/MC_Defult.gif
I like where this is going... :goodjob:
The horse doesn't seem that fat. :)

The horse looks much better than in the javelin thrower dude preview. Does this horsy brake its legs during the attack anim too? No offense, I realy like your units, but it seems only Bebro`s horse units are good enough for me. I got spoiled! :cry:

I dont understand what you mean? The horse moves down so the rider can reach. And I saying my horse units arent good enough is a little offensive(on my thread). But I dont like any of Bebros units.

I dont understand what you mean? The horse moves down so the rider can reach.Reach what? I don`t think I`ve ever seen this. It just looks like an unnatural movement for a horse to me :confused:

Don`t get me wrong, your horse units are top notch `cept for that detail with the leggs. (And the chubbyness but thats a minor problem). Bebros knights have lousy death anims, otherwise they are realy good. I think :hmm: OK, Kinboat made better horse units. Where did he get that steppe horse model?
In the ancient times all horses were small like that, thats why Utah`s Oscan Companion looks realy weird to me :)

Sorry If I offended you, I didn`t mean to :sad::blush:

Personally I like the chubby horse it gives it charecter and besides this is a game people.

At civ scale, the thickness of all limbs, weapons, and parts must be exaggereated or they flicker when moving around.
Some people like different styles of units, but consistancy is important. Utah and Kinboat both set a precedent with their stout poser horses, and either one has more mounted units than anyone else (cept maybe bebro's. his horses are okay, but look a little funny ingame IMO). So I say go with the model you have.
But I agree the horse looks like it has the heebie-jeebies when its legs move about during the attack. I think if you kept its kicks from going sideways at all and make its body move a little it would look better

Edit: the horse's leg movement on the numidian is not bad though

I did a little bit of research, and I can`t find anything wrong with the thin legged horses.

1. a mongol horse, and it looks perfect.
2. another mongol horse, but it is a more modern unit, so it can be a generic horse breed. Looks perfect for an arabian to me.
3. a Rohan horse, looks like a medieval war horse, bred (sp?) in europe. Big, fat, bulky, strong etc.
4. a medieval war horse used by an ancient unit wich had no access to horses of that size.

I know Utah made the horse`s leggs fatter so they can be more visible, but his and kinboats older units don`t use this model, and they still have perfectly visible (and to scale) legs.

I don`t mean to offend anyone or critisize their work, especialy since I haven`t made anything yet, I`m just confused with that horse model :confused:

the horses legs much that fat, its the same as the horses from atari. It blends perfectly in civ 3 world. If you dont like it buy poser and make your own units. ok?

Awww C`mon, Shiro, don`t get mad :(
I`m sorry if it bothers you this much :sad:

your complaining about my units looking like civ style instead of real world. And you did it for 4 pages. Im trying to make them look like civ 3 thats why I use paperdoll instead of M2 or another realer human model. Ok?

Ok

banana

I'll try to post a preview of a skinny leg horse today.

Really, no need to do so, Shiro, it seems I`m the only one who has issues with Utah`s horse.

But thank you for thinking of your fans :)

Finally someone has come out with a Numidian Cavalry! I have been wanting to see this unit for quite a bit. You know, there is even a chance that this unit might make it into the Gallic War mod, because Caesar did use Numidian Auxiliaries. Good job!

I wonder if anyone else has noticed how selfish we seem to be getting recently. It seems that we are either comparing, complaining about or just hassling all the creative talent we have here in the CivFanatics community. I suggested a Moorish Cavalry, now if Shiro wants to make that or another unit I'll be just as happy. How fat or thin the legs are I don't care... 3 legs are fine with me if that is the way he wants to make it! We should just be thankful that we have so many talented people willing and able to create units, terrain graphics, mods etc. for the rest of us lesser souls to use...

So, if you don`t care about the legs `s stuff, whats with the "we"? If you have something to say to me, then say it. I know I was acting as a spoiled bratt, I sad so in one of the posts, and I said I was sorry. Now back off.

Stormrage - I use the word "we" because in my opinion there has been a growing amount of nit-picking in some of the threads. Ares' latest terrain pack thread is another example. Too much "feedback" can come across as criticism, which can lead to people becoming less interested in wanting to make things or do things.

And by the way if I had wanted to say "Stormrage is acting selfishly," then believe me I would have done so.

Yabanjin, thanks for caring. :)
But don't take it too seriously. I don't have bad dreams just because Stormrage said something about my graphics. In fact, we get along very well - our helmets are pretty massive. ;)

@ Shiro: The Moorish rider looks great. Another gap closed! :)

Ares, again I am not pointing a finger at anyone in particular, but what I take as more general trend - and I used your thread as an example of the sort of pressure I mean. I'm sure that both Stormrage and myself are equally thankful for the great work guys like you, Shiro and many others turn out.

I just remembered I could use that Moorish cavalry (AKA Fatty-Fatty Fat Legs). Do you still plan on making it, Shiro?

Has anyone suggested Mamluk Cavalry? :)

Has anyone suggested Mamluk Cavalry? :)
In my mod i use the AoE2 one, but the strange thing is the wondersplash shows a cavalryman not a camel rider. :crazyeye:
If it will be done then i will add it to my mod ... but for me the Moorish Cavalry is more important now.

Has anyone suggested Mamluk Cavalry? :)Unfortunetly, Shiro doesn't have a camel prop. A horse could be used too, though a camel would be cooler.
For the time being/rest of time, I use the AOE2 conversions for this role.
Mameluke's have an interesting history. They definately make for a good unit.

Very nice units, and that archer is especially useful. Bear in mind, though, that the Carthagians weren't exactly Caucasian - they were darker than Europeans, since they had intermarried with darker-skinned peoples already present in North Africa. "Punic" means "red". Also, "North Africa" just refers to the region without reference to race, so anyone from that area is North African, whether they're black, white, or whatever. Although of course you do whatever units you want. It'd be fun to see some packs from elsewhere in Africa, though...

I absolutely second Heretic Cata's suggestion and all the ones posted by Ares de Borg. These would all be fabulous. I think any unit in a turban has to be good.

Not white, I think it only meaning Chistian Europeans, Portugese and Spainish are considered white because they are christian, if they were Muslim you would say Arab. Modern People in North Africa can have very light skin-tone, and People in modern Egypt have very Red skin, also many different Caucasian people get redish tone when they tan. But they still arent black people, they are Caucasian.

Has anyone suggested Mamluk Cavalry? :)

IIRC Dom Pedro II made quite a nice one. -- here's the large .pcx

-Oz

Bear in mind, though, that the Carthagians weren't exactly Caucasian - they were darker than Europeans, since they had intermarried with darker-skinned peoples already present in North Africa. "Punic" means "red".

Wasn't that becouse of the dyes they traded? Never heard of phoenician redskins J/K.

That not one of Dom Finer works. It is very grainy in game.

Not white, I think it only meaning Chistian Europeans, Portugese and Spainish are considered white because they are christian, if they were Muslim you would say Arab. Modern People in North Africa can have very light skin-tone, and People in modern Egypt have very Red skin, also many different Caucasian people get redish tone when they tan. But they still arent black people, they are Caucasian.

No, they're not black, but they're not Caucasian either. Arabs aren't racially the same as Caucasians, although they obviously look more like Caucasians than black people do. A white Spaniard and an Arabian Moroccan are racially different, not just culturally. It's not just about skin tone but about other racial characteristics too (I have an Indian professor who is almost as pale as I am, but that doesn't make him Caucasian!). Perhaps it's harder to tell them apart for Asians - just as most westerners think all east Asians look exactly the same!

Indians and Arabs are Caucasians, they arent white, whites are Caucasian. It is like Spainish arent English, they dont look the same but they are both European. It is the same with Indians, Arabs, Europeans and Western Asians.

"Anthropology. Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as very light to brown skin pigmentation and straight to wavy or curly hair, and including peoples indigenous to Europe, northern Africa, western Asia, and India."

Shiro, if you're missing a Camel prop, maybe this could work:

Riderless Camel (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41433)

And the units are looking good!

I just wanted to register my appreciate and gratitude for this great pack. Thanks Shiro! :thumbsup:

Virote, thats a graphic for CnP, not a Poser prop.

Shiro are you still working on the Moorish cavalry?

no. I havent worked on anything. But last night I made a unit, I will post it today

Great to hear about the new unit, but don't give up on the Moorish cavalry altogether it was looking good.

Great to hear about the new unit, but don't give up on the Moorish cavalry altogether it was looking good.
I agree too ... i'm waiting for it to put it in my mod.
Hopefully you will finish this one till the launch in 3-4 weeks... :sad:

since you are doing North Africa, how about an enslaved worker...like the poor saps who built the pyramids...

http://www.sfscience.com/admin/xml_approved/images/images_4_B_2_3/4B2_3BLMs2.jpg

I always thought the actual Civ3 worker was something like that :confused: btw. the pyramids weren't built by slave labour per se- many free labourers also worked- some historians estimate free labour to have even been the bulk of the workforce...

copy-paste flying carpet...

btw. the pyramids weren't built by slave labour per se- many free labourers also worked- some historians estimate free labour to have even been the bulk of the workforce...

That is correct. Archeological evidence at a laborer's settlement at Giza reveals that the vast majority of the pyramid builders were free laborers, peasants who paid a "labor tax" when the their fields were inundated during the flood season. Doesn't mean that they were necessarily too happy lugging around limestone blocks around all day, though! ;)

I'd like to see a better Mamluk Cavalry. Doesn't have to be on a camel. :)

this is FANTASTIC!!!!!!
i'm putting this to use right now!

due to some terrible technical problems with my computer,
i lost some verrrrrrry important files, and the ones i have backed up
on DVD are from an earlier stage of development from my "Boudicca" mod.

so, that's on the back burner.....instead i have an interesting Egypt mod in the works, one that has been disscussed, yet never done, and THESE units are PERFECT! let's just say the Habiru Spearman may end up being a part of the Hyksos army ;)

thank-you so much!

Dude.. don`t bump old threads.

sorry....
i kinda just posted without thinking...

but since your all talking about other north african units....

what about some kind of egyptian mounted unit?
it seems all there is for egypt is chariots and camels....
maybe a cool Egyptian Calvary kinda thing.

Okay...so since Utro bumped this thread first ha ha. . .

Has any further progress been made on the Moorish cavalry and foot unit you mentioned you would tackle next Shiro?

okay okay.... my bump was 5 days ago.
this is a FRESH bump!
hey, COAtlantis1745, we're bumping buddies! :P

but seriously....forget Moorish calvary...Egyptian Calvary or bust! :D j/k
both would be awesome!