GAME IS NOW UP!!!

Hi again,
After working out how to run 2 sessions of Pitboss at once, I will start up a 2nd game. Happy for any of the players of game 1 to join this too, up to you.

Read my other post 'New PitBoss Game?' for general info about this.

Open to map suggestions again, Update: Fantasy Realm map is quite good, will go with the Irrational option ("Irrational" - DEFAULT - Places resources anywhere except where they normally appear.)

Interested players/civilization (refer to http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/info/civilizations/ to help you choose)

Please post your preferred civ and email address (e.g. me at somewhere dot com, or if you really want PM me it and it will be kept private). First in best dressed, hoping to get as many players as possible.


Here are the rules -

5 days without any action will get you kicked from the game. Feel free to let me know, or post here if you plan to be away for a few days.

All players need to put a password on their Civ once you pick your civ as above.
Turn Timer Quick, 24 hours max per turn, simultaneous turns. Sea Level medium, Map Standard. All other options are default.

All disputes etc are resolved by me and will be final, but open to discussion on anything (majority rules will usually apply).

Anyone interested in joining the game incase we have any dropouts, please let me know and I'll put you down as a reserve!

In the event of any downtime, I'll try to make it as fair as possible. Pitboss doesn't have many options in it - but does do auto saves after each persons turn from what I see, so there shouldn't be any problems.

The game will run on port 6666 so if you have an issue with this let me know.

Players:

GiantGuienapig - Egypt, Hatshepsut. Email - yes 1
Moose3570 - India, Asoka. Email - yes 2
Wing Wah - random civ. Email - yes 3 Arabian
portuga - America, Washington. Email - yes 4
Rince - Russia, Catherine. Email - yes 5
Dandridge - Mali, Mansa Musa. Email - yes 6
CB Droege - Persiam, Cyrus. Email - yes 7
Thrar - Japan, Tokugawa. Email - yes 8
HitAnyKey - China, Qin Shi Huang. Email - yes 9
ives0890 - Rome, Ceaser. Email - yes 10
kuningas - Random. Email - yes 11 Greek, Alexander
pmbmaker - Random. Email - yes 12 Incan
dribnairb - France, Louis XIV. Email - yes 13
Pennywise_30 - Random Email - yes 14 Spanish
GeneralSeed - Germany, Fredrick. Email - yes 15
notagoodname - India, Ghandi . Email - yes 16

I am fairly new to Multiplayer Civ 4, not as predictable as the cpu but would love to have another game. I just hope I can remember what I am working towards each turn :-)

I would like to play as Indian, Asoka, and I don't care what map type. Pangaea, or Continental as prefence.

sign me up! got here from ocau... i've got no prefs, random civ for me. i'll pm you my email.

cheers,

Great! Another PTBS game :)

I'd like to play as washington or victoria.

my email is nfreire AT gmail DOT com

I'll be on holidays from the 1st of may until the 16th. If the game starts in this period, please give control of my civ to the AI, and I'll clean up the AI's mess when I return.

I would like to join too.

Catherine of Russia would be my choice.

I'm GMT + 1 and my adress is rince AT pozor DOT ch

looking forward to it!

Rince

I'm in. My email is the same as in the 1st game. Preferred leader: Mansa Musa. Thanks.

I'd like to play. I prefer Cyrus, and my addy is cb at nexlia dot com.

I like Map type 'Terra' for multi-player games, but wouldn't mind trying out the new 'fantasy' map type, it looks neat.

I'd like to join, it'll be my first MP game if you don't mind.
Leader would be Tokugawa. Email is thrarxx at hotmail dot com.

If there are any assumptions, rules etc that are commonly used, please state them, as I'm not familiar with MP.

I originally wasn't going to do a new PTBS game yet, but I've got that craving...

So count me in. I'll take China - Qin Shi Huang
Email is this username at gmail.

Updated original post. Will wait a few more days, probably go live Sunday/Monday. Would like to see a few more players :)

Hmmm. I am brand new to this game, just got it about a week ago. I still don't understand PitBoss or multiplayer well but i would love to join this game. This will be my first multiplayer game (beside the one i played for 30 min on a random game). And since Im a noob i'll understand if Im not let in but i'll be glad if you decide to let me in the game. I'd like to play as Ceaser.

You can have me too. It's much fun with 18 civs.
(Random civ)

email
lkuningas *at* yahoo.co.uk

11 players so far! should be good.
No problems with you playing ives0890, it will be slow so you will have more time to check things out and not be rushed into just clicking and hoping for the best. You'll normally just get 1 turn every 24 hours or so, depending how long people take.

I'd like to play.
pmbmaker at gmail dot com
random civ

I'll play if there's still room. I'd prefer to play as Louis XIV or Elizabeth if they're available, otherwise a random civ is fine.
email is dribnairb at tiscali dot co dot uk

If you are still looking for players I would like to join. I will PM you my info, if I can join.

15 people so far, I'll make this go live Sunday night Aussie time, which is about 32 hours+ after this post :)

cool as, I'm registed now, so I'll be kept up to date! :)

I'm sorry for this noob question but, how do you join a Pitboss game?:p

GiantGuineaPig will PM his IP to us. IP number is something like 128.128.128.1 In your civIV main menu choose multiplayer -> direct IP connection ->put IP in the box. (No password) or if he wants it.

that's right, I will be putting a password on the game too, and when it goes live I will PM everyone with the details.

Why put a pass on the game itself? A pass for each person's civ will keep people out just as well...

I agree, as long as each player puts a password on their own civ (which is a good idea anyway) I don't think there's much need to have one on the game - it just slows down the logging on process.

In normal online games my PC freezes when I go into diplomacy.

I'm wondering how diplomacy works in Pitboss games seeing as the person is not there to actually reply. Does it send off a request, and then they get a message when they log on?

In normal online games my PC freezes when I go into diplomacy.

I'm wondering how diplomacy works in Pitboss games seeing as the person is not there to actually reply. Does it send off a request, and then they get a message when they log on?

That's correct :)

OK I won't put a password on the main game too :)

This is now live. I will PM you all the IP, no password. Please password your civ though! any queries u can jump on msn and msg me on adammm81 at hot mail dot com

Edit: actually I'll just email you all :) that will also test that I have your email addy correct in the notify program, msg me somehow asap if you don't receive this.

Refer to the main post, those with random civs check your number, and count that many civs down - that's your civ! don't just pick one anywhere because its probably someone else's civ

Hi GiantGuineaPig, can i be in this game too?
My preference for leader is ghandi/mansa musa/huyana cupec in that order

btw i cant log on to the old game just now, seems to be taking me to the new game
edit: nm i can log in to the old game fine now :)

Hi GiantGuineaPig, can i be in this game too?
My preference for leader is ghandi/mansa musa/huyana cupec in that order

btw i cant log on to the old game just now, seems to be taking me to the new game

Try putting :2056 at the end of the IP address.. i was fiddling around a bit, hopefully its ok now anyway?

Edit: I'll take the game down a bit for further testing first and add you - sorry everyone will be up soon.

Because someone can't manage to release PitBoss with working email notification in the program - there are a lot of glitches with PitBoss and pbnotify. I can't run 2 lots of 2 on 1 pc, and I can't run 1 on each pc and the run civ because it stuffs up the settings.

So it is up, but currently there is no email notification.

Edit *sigh* ok it's up and email notification on. Please anyone with issues add me to msn, because I can use you to help troubleshoot anything :) good luck everyone

You should edit the first post to put in which Civ everyone is. Just to avoid confusion and make sure people 'counting down' the list don't screw up. Since they might miscount if there is someone logged into the game when they're logging in.
Also, so all of the rest of us know what Civ's people have.

What ports do I open for my firewall?

Wow. Being the absent-minded kid I am, I accidentally chose Greeks as my Civilization instead of the Romans. I realized this just after i built my first city. I'm really sorry to whoever wanted to be the Greeks. I'm sorry to everyone for being so careless.

cant figure out what civ is mine

Are everyone's starting positions as crazy as mine? I was on a lake in the middle of tundra and ice!

Made my first turn, everything worked flawlessly.

My starting position is a bit strange too, i seem to have a bit of everything terrain wise (which isn't bad of course).

Rince

I think one of you guys who chose a random civ should be the Romans because i was supposed to use them but i accidentally started playing as the Greeks.

I'll check this out as soon as I get home. The map is Fantasy Realm, Crazy. From what I've seen, it pretty much means completely random terrain. Also, there will be 8 resources missing, but all other resources will be very common.

I'm sure if you've built a city for someone else, since it's the first turn, they'd build it there anyway. If anyone is really against this, send me a PM and at worst we can restart the game. You don't get an idea where the other civ is anyway, because of the small view and random terrain.

Original post update for randoms. I've kicked those of you who chose the wrong civ, please choose the correct one as per the original post now. Sorry for any confusion!

All civs has been taken. We should consider to use passwords in this games.

I see Pennywise took two civs. He took Spain and Roman. I should have one of those, preferably Spanish.

Sorry I thought we were supposed to take the civ that was edited in the first post. you should be able to take Rome now. I think. :confused:

ives0890 took Rome. At last I can be Greek. Kick him :mischief:

I got my civ and only my civ, then I changed the name of it. Everything worked fine, and my surroundings are pretty random looking.

Pennywise has 1 civ, 1 is AI until the correct person picks it up. Are you all sorted now, or does anyone not have a civ/have the wrong civ??

Haha, this ptbs game really gives civ4 a new perspective. I never played a game as slow as this one ;-)

And i'm sooo looking forward to getting my first warrior next week.

Greetings,

Rince

Haha, this ptbs game really gives civ4 a new perspective. I never played a game as slow as this one ;-)

You just wait for the 'slowness' of the RP game. Though the big difference with that one is that there is a lot more activity with turn discussions and talks and all that. Especially when we start getting further into the game. :goodjob:

You just wait for the 'slowness' of the RP game. Though the big difference with that one is that there is a lot more activity with turn discussions and talks and all that. Especially when we start getting further into the game. :goodjob:

Yes, i imagine RP too be very different. I'm really looking forward to RP2.

Greetings,

Rince

kudos for your work GiantGuineaPig :goodjob:

And i'm sooo looking forward to getting my first warrior next week.

I get mine tomorrow! :mischief:

Can't login at the moment. Anybody else having connection problems?

Rince

I can't get in either. Looks like the server is down :(

I can't log in either, but it has nothing to do with the server.

It's because I'm at work and don't have Civ4 here. :D

I played my turn about 6 hours ago, but can't login now either. I guess the server is down...

always when I'm asleep or at work! Ok I've rebooted my PC try getting in now....

Edit: HitAnyKey got in, so it works!

I assume with no other complains it's all going well :) happy for game chat to be in this thread too... I managed to get my first hut, free tech! wooh! heading over to the second hut I've just seen. Should be there in a few days...

No! Then I don't have the high score anymore... I was enjoying the top of the list while it lasted.

Damn, i missed the last turn because the Pitboss server was down.
I logged in 30 minutes too late. That hurts!

Rince

By the way, do the turns always take 24 hours, or do they end earlier if everyone has moved?

Same as me Rince :(

But yes, if everyone ends their turn then the next turn will start immediately instead of waiting 24 hours. That's why you should always press Enter to end your turn when you've completed your move.

should be much less downtime now - i've stopped playing around with a few things. If you do have any issues contact me immediately!

By the way, does anyone know the minimum specs a pitboss game needs?

The best thing to do is get all of your units, and build queues and technology scheduled for a few turns in advance. That way if you can't log in for a few days, it's still doing what you want it to do. :D

looks like last turn was the first time it ended before 24 hours...so everybody got to play?

Yeah, Moose357 was the last to go that round. But it's only been 3.5 hours since we started this turn, and 10/15 players have already had their go!

The best thing to do is get all of your units, and build queues and technology scheduled for a few turns in advance. That way if you can't log in for a few days, it's still doing what you want it to do. :D

This is definately a must do. petty you can not order your new units to explore as soon as they are built. It takes the best part of a week to get out to the city redius as it is, don't need any other delays :crazyeye:

Having fun though, just wish my religion wasn't stolen. I believe I finished it the same turn as someone else, but I didn't get it :sad:

hehe, that might have been me. i'll send a missionary your way later, if you like :mischief:

I've already found another civ.. cant remember which one but pink or purple :P Sorry about downtime, PC rebooted because of Windows update. I have loaded the last save, which appears to only be 1/2 an hour old so I'm hoping no turns have gone missing.

I found my first civ in about turn 3. :)

I'll be able to trade with them in about 10 turns. Want clams?

Typical - Looks like my turn was lost when the server was rebooted. That's 2 turns I've missed out on so far - not good considering we've only had about 10 turns in the entire game :(

Sorry guys. I lost access to my PC so i couldn't play for a while. Good thing I queued up :P. Anyways I'm telling you this because of the 5 day rule thing. I'll try to play ASAP.

Typical - Looks like my turn was lost when the server was rebooted. That's 2 turns I've missed out on so far - not good considering we've only had about 10 turns in the entire game :(

OK would it be better if there's any downtime more than a few mins, I send out a message to everyone saying a turn is ready? Pitboss is a very basic tool, so it doesn't keep a log or anything like that. If it goes down, I just load the last autosave. If you miss a turn due to downtime, tell me straight away so I can reload that last save again for you to have your turn. Everyone has my email address (reply to the auto msg) so contact me on any issues. And yes queue up the important stuff if you're worried!

I think it would be worth sending an email out if you have to reload a savegame for any reason because that's the time someone who has already played a turn could find that it's been lost.
If the server is just unavailable for a time (but the PitBoss is still actually running) I wouldn't have thought that would be as much of a problem (of course, if you want to send a notification in that case then I certainly wouldn't complain :)

no problem, won't bother anyone if i have to save and reboot the server, because that doesn't lose time as far as i know, but if I have to revert to the last save I can find I'll send a broadcast email :)

In a years time (when we might be in AD) one turn lost here or there won't be a big deal.

In a years time (when we might be in AD)

:lol: ROFL :lol:

I wounder if you can convert a game to continue playing with CIV 5 when it comes out.

I wounder if the survivers will play to the death once we run out of turns? (tic)

I just hope that a lot of people don't start to lose interest, this game wouldn't be much fun anymore against a bunch of AIs.

well both games have been moved to a standalone server - should be less issues now.

I can't seem to log into the game, and haven't been able to for the past few hours. Is anyone else having any problems or is the server down?

Edit: I've just connected now - don't know if it was a problem at my end or the server, but it seems ok now anyway

I'm HOPING the dodgy stick of ram was the culprit of the new server's lockups. If it's still running when I get home, I'll be very happy!

Can someone PM me the IP address again? For some reason I lost my Civ4 config files, everything's back at the default.

Thanks Wing Wah and dribnairb, works fine now. :)

are there any spots left open? id be interested in playing GGP, PM me if you need my e-mail etc :)

The server is offline again I think... :(

FYI all I couldn't get a line sync on my ADSL before I left for work this morning, so the servers are probably down.

are there any spots left open? id be interested in playing GGP, PM me if you need my e-mail etc :)

Sorry I can't add more players once the game has started. If anyone is bored of playing though at any stage, let me know and BCLG100 you can take over their civ.

Can anyone explain exactly how diplomacy works in a PitBoss game? When both players are logged in at the same time I know it works fine. However, if Player1 is logged in and Player 2 is not, and Player1 makes an offer of a trade it will appear to Player2 the next time they log in. If Player2 accepts, I assume the trade then takes place immediately as they click the accept button.

Q1) If Player1 offers a trade and writes some text in the diplomacy window will Player2 see this text when they log in?

Q2) If Player1 writes some text in the diplomacy window but doesn't make an actual trade offer, will Player2 see the text? In fact, will the diplomacy window display at all to Player2 if a real trade offer hasn't been made? (I'm thinking in terms of humans could offer "you attack that barbarian and I'll attack the other one" but that isn't a 'real' trade from the game's point of view)

Q3) If Player1 makes two trade offers for the same thing to Players 2 and 3, and Player2 logs in before Player3 to accept the offer, will Player3 see the offer but not get the option of accepting? Or will he not even see the trade offer (in which case, what happens to any text messages which may have been sent when the trade offer was made?)

Q4) If Players 2 and 3 both make an offer to Player1 on the same turn, when Player 1 logs in he will presumably see the first offer (eg. from Player2). If he exits this diplomacy screen to see if there are any other offers (in this case from Player3), is it possible to get back to the offer made by Player2? Or has Player2's offer expired at this point so Player1 has to re-offer the same trade to Player2?

Q5) Depending on the answers to these questions, would players prefer diplomacy to be handled via email rather than through the game interface? If so, everyone already has everyone else's emails from the PitBoss notification emails. However, I don't know how to match everyone's email to their Civ/Leader. Perhaps the first post can be updated to show the first few characters of each player's email address so we can communicate that way? Of course, we can limit ourselves to only communicate to civs we've contacted in the game.

However, if Player1 is logged in and Player 2 is not, and Player1 makes an offer of a trade it will appear to Player2 the next time they log in. If Player2 accepts, I assume the trade then takes place immediately as they click the accept button.Yes

Q1) If Player1 offers a trade and writes some text in the diplomacy window will Player2 see this text when they log in?Yes

Q2) If Player1 writes some text in the diplomacy window but doesn't make an actual trade offer, will Player2 see the text? In fact, will the diplomacy window display at all to Player2 if a real trade offer hasn't been made? (I'm thinking in terms of humans could offer "you attack that barbarian and I'll attack the other one" but that isn't a 'real' trade from the game's point of view)Yes

Q3) If Player1 makes two trade offers for the same thing to Players 2 and 3, and Player2 logs in before Player3 to accept the offer, will Player3 see the offer but not get the option of accepting? Or will he not even see the trade offer (in which case, what happens to any text messages which may have been sent when the trade offer was made?)No idea. Never had it come up or thought of it.

Q4) If Players 2 and 3 both make an offer to Player1 on the same turn, when Player 1 logs in he will presumably see the first offer (eg. from Player2). If he exits this diplomacy screen to see if there are any other offers (in this case from Player3), is it possible to get back to the offer made by Player2? Or has Player2's offer expired at this point so Player1 has to re-offer the same trade to Player2?Once you exit the diplomacy screen, the offer is gone. You'll have to recreate the offer back to the person. I've done this before even when it's just one offer, so as to check my resources and other things to make sure I want to accept it.

Q5) Depending on the answers to these questions, would players prefer diplomacy to be handled via email rather than through the game interface? If so, everyone already has everyone else's emails from the PitBoss notification emails. However, I don't know how to match everyone's email to their Civ/Leader. Perhaps the first post can be updated to show the first few characters of each player's email address so we can communicate that way? Of course, we can limit ourselves to only communicate to civs we've contacted in the game.There will most likely end up needing to be a good amount of diplomacy via email at some point, since the diplomacy screen is just too annoying to use for typing out complex plans and other such things. You can probably just use the diplomacy window to the player in question asking them to send you an email if they wish communicate via email for some diplomacy. And in that screen you give them your email address and ask for theirs.

Yes a lot of people don't like posting their email addys on a public forum. You can PM anyone here though, and they should get an email saying theres a private message for them - you should be able to match up names/civs from the main post.

Hitanykey - why is your civ now under AI control?

I don't know. It shouldn't be. If the AI took over somehow, I sure hope it didn't screw up any the things I have going on. I won't be able to log in again until late tonight (ie. after 10:30pm EST) to find out and take control back. Unless you can manually change control back to Human for me from the pitboss screen.

I don't know. It shouldn't be. If the AI took over somehow, I sure hope it didn't screw up any the things I have going on. I won't be able to log in again until late tonight (ie. after 10:30pm EST) to find out and take control back. Unless you can manually change control back to Human for me from the pitboss screen.

Seems all good now. Maybe AI kicks in if you just miss 1 turn?

I didn't miss any turns. Not even when the AI took over. I had finished and ended that turn and luckily was able to log back in and take over again before the turn ended.
I suppose it's possible that I clicked the Retire button instead of the Exit to Main Menu button. :confused:

I didn't miss any turns. Not even when the AI took over. I had finished and ended that turn and luckily was able to log back in and take over again before the turn ended.
I suppose it's possible that I clicked the Retire button instead of the Exit to Main Menu button. :confused:

That seems the most likely option, because I don't think there's any way to set "automatic AI takeover" by the pitboss admin anyway.

Posted by accident, and now can't delete it. So just replaced the text. :)

The Evil Incas are attacking our peaceful nation of Chinese! They have Invaded the lands of our realm and threatened our citizens! :cry:
We look to our neighboring civilizations to help put down this terrible warlord assault and bring Peace back to the realm!
:king:

The Evil Incas are attacking our peaceful nation of Chinese! They have Invaded the lands of our realm and threatened our citizens! :cry:
We look to our neighboring civilizations to help put down this terrible warlord assault and bring Peace back to the realm!
:king:

The mighty French nation cannot, unfortunately, offer military assistance due to the huge distances involved. :shake: Who are the neighbouring civs who may be able to help? Perhaps a peaceful deal can be brokered?

The Incas are OK, just misunderstood.

Posted in wrong thread again, and since can't delete the post this is just filler. :)

I had to format my games drive, can someone send me the IP address. Thanks.

got it, thanks! :)

Has anyone else noticed the game seems to be getting slower each turn? 1 minute on the game timer takes about 65 seconds of real time. This leads to an actual time of about 26 hours per turn instead of the intended 24 hours.

Is there anyway to sort this? Maybe the server needs a reboot? Or perhaps the turn timer can be changed to 22 hours?

Also, I hope giantguineapig is still playing, but I notice Egypt is now controlled by the AI...

Yeah, I noticed that ages ago. It's been 26-28 hour turns for a while.

and yeah, GGP is AI controlled... interesting...

I actually didn't even notice that about GGP being AI controlled. I'll have to take a look at that tonight.

As for the turns taking longer, that's because of people logging in and out. Every time someone logs in, the game physically pauses (timer included) until that person is fully connected. This adds delays to the game that stack up over time.

In the other 18-player PTBS game I'm in, the host changed the turn timer to 20 hours instead of 24 and that has helped a great deal with making the turns go better and a bit faster.

So all we need is for GGP to change the turn timer to 20 hours.

i'll agree with lowering the timer to 20 hours. but i don't think it's just the logging in that's making the time go slower; like dribnairb said, the timer seems to be moving 5-10 seconds slower than real life, even when nobody's logging in. :crazyeye:

I need someone to send me the IP address again. I'm on a different computer and won't have access to my other one for a week where Ihad the address stored. Thx

I need IP aswell.

150.101.100.126:6666

I doubt it's too much of a problem listing it publicly now seeing as we have passworded all our civs. Let me know if you have any objection to it being publicly available.

What happened to GGP? He's obviously not away or bereft of compuer, since the game is still up. Did he quit? Why is our host's Civ an AI now?

Yeah it definitely is weird.

I hope he's OK and stuff.

He's OK, spoke to him on MSN a few days ago. He's just off on a work trip :)

While I'm here, I'll just say that Thrar is a villain and he attacked me first :O

Personally, I don't think it's fair to turn one's civ over to an AI for a length of time. This should be against the rules... At the very least, he should have notified the rest of the players... :)

i don't see what the problem with temporarily handing over to AI is?

some people aren't as good as the AI?

But it's not like he's intentionally done it to get up in the game. He's away on work holiday.. what do you expect him to do? Around Xmas I will be AWOL for about 2 weeks. If I can't switch to AI, what can I do?

Give your units advance orders as best you can? Tell a friend to take your turns for you?

The AI gets production and attack bonuses. During GGP's vacation, he get's bonus hammers in his queue for being an AI... I know that's not his reason for doing it, but it does seem like a balance issue...

What level is the game on? I can't remember, but is it really so high that the AI gets notable bonuses?

Other than that, yes, I'm a villain. But he started by being 2nd in score and a tech ahead of me! :P
If anybody wants to join me in villainhood, you're of course welcome! ;)

The game is on Noble difficulty, so I don't think the AI gets any significant bonuses. I'd personally try and get a friend to take over temporarily if I can't be around for a while, but letting the AI take over for a while doesn't seem such a bad thing to me. If you queue up your moves then the game is forced to wait the full 24 hours per turn, even if all the other players have taken their turn.

The problem with letting the AI take over is that it may start agreeing to deals you don't want. For instance, Egypt asked for open borders with me. If I'd said no she would have been annoyed with me which may prompt an attack. I'm sure if a human was playing, refusing open borders wouldn't exactly be a big deal.

I don't think the turn has ever ended before the timer in this game.

does anyone know if ives0890 or notagoodname are still playing? they don't ever seem to have ended turns...

Judging by the score, probably not.
How do you make the AI take over, anyway? Simply resign? How can you resume then, later?
Also, is it possible to change the civ password somehow? I might need a replacement for a while, but am not so keen on letting anyone know the password permanently.

When you resign, the AI takes over. If the server is set up for 'take over AI', then anyone could select that AI, and give it a password, and it's theirs. This is a way that you could change your password, but also another reason to discourage letting the AI play your turns for awhile: If any of us really wanted to, we could take over GGP's civ.

Though he'd of course know if someone did that, since he'd see someone logging into it in the Pitboss screen which is still running. :)

As for letting the AI take over, I agree with allowing that but I don't think it should be done for more than 2 weeks (at most). Not sure how long GGP has been on as AI.

As for ives and nagn, the only person who would know for sure if they've logged in at all would be GGP when he returns to check his Pitboss log. I also hope GGP gets back soon, since I'd love to see this game put up on the CivStats program that Overload has created. I'm in two games that are using that and it's totally awesome.

Something strange happened today in this game. I've always thought that it's safe to make trade suggestions of 1 technology to several players at the same turn and if someone accepts the deal, all other similar trade suggestions expire. Have I been completely wrong:confused:

In the current 475 BC turn I researched Calendar and noone else had it. I made a trade suggestion to 4 players (Theology to Calendar for 3 players and Lit+HbR to Calendar for 1 player). 1 player accepted the Theo for Cal deal, but then the other 2 got it as a gift. During the turn another player also suggested me Lit + HbR for Calendar deal that I accepted, but then the player that I had suggested the deal in the beginning of the turn got Calendar as a gift from me since I already had Lit+HbR.

All this mess ended up so that some people now got Calendar for free and others paid for it. I don't understand it. If I suggest a deal (Theology for Calendar) to 3 persons and the first one accepts it, shouldn't the other trade suggestion expire and not turn to gifts:confused: :confused: :confused:

All this mess ended up so that some people now got Calendar for free and others paid for it. I don't understand it. If I suggest a deal (Theology for Calendar) to 3 persons and the first one accepts it, shouldn't the other trade suggestion expire and not turn to gifts:confused: :confused: :confused:

I would have thought, like you, that the other trade suggestions expire immediately. I've offered similar deals in this game to two different civs at the same time - maybe one of them got a freebie from me too without me realising it?

I know I'm one of the ones who got a 'free' calendar, but as I've already msg'd you, if you want to suggest something else in return - as long as it's reasonable I'll accept. Hope that (sort of) makes up for it! [Edit: I've offered you Drama in exchange. Hope that's ok, if not let me know]

Yeah, as soon as I got alphabet I went crazy for trading techs. And yeah, then I found out that it gives them off as freebies. Now I only offer a trade with one person that I think will do it. If they don't I just have to wait to next turn.

Anyone else having problems connecting, I can't log in this morning.

Except that it's afternoon, I have the same problem. :(

Well if the game is down, and GGP is away somewhere and not near the server, it looks like things will be on hold until he returns from wherever he is.

Now this is strange...I couldn't log in yesterday, still can't log in today, but I did get a message that the next turn is ready to be played. Looks like the server isn't completely down after all, can any of you connect?

I'm having the same problem. It's probably a problem with the pitboss. I've seen this before with other games.

So it looks like when GGP gets back to his computer he'll need to reload from the last save game that we were able to log in if these turns keep rolling by without anyone able to connect.

Anyone know how long he's away for?

cool, the game is back up now. :)

sorry to whoever was trying to connect just now - game didn't tell me your name, so i'm posting here. i have port 2056 forwarded in my router, and others have connected to me fine when i've been playing, so i have no idea why.

I was able to connect okay... Our host has been gone for quite some time now...

I'm gonna be away a lot for a while so I've put myself on AI so I don't disrupt the game. Going on several trips for work interstate, so if it does go down while I'm away I'm sorry and it'll be checked the day I get home to make sure it's running.

Is there anyone in the game that's capable of taking over hosting while you're away for those long trips so that they can keep it up if you're going to be gone for more than a week?

and can we get it put on CivStats?

Heh, I was gonna suggest that as well. :D

anyone else having problems getting in?

I'm gonna be away from Aug 9 - Aug 24, so the AI will be taking my turns. If anyone has any concerns or issues with this, please PM me, and maybe I can work out something.

Civstats.. don't you have to set up a webserver for that? Maybe if someone's really interested in remotely connecting to the box and doing it themselves :)

Civstats.. don't you have to set up a webserver for that?

Nope, OverloadUT's running a webserver for it, the later versions of the program just upload it to his server.

Yeah, his program does everything and he hosts it all. All you have to do is download the program, run it, do the setup stuff on his website and then keep it running just like you keep the Pitboss server running. As far as I can tell it's pretty simply, and he's good at answering questions and solving problems people have had with it.
Here's the thread:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=178807

This is a Call for Support:

Any Civilization willing to assist me in surviving this onslaught attack from PMB by declaring war on him and helping to save my city will heavily rewarded when I am capable of doing so. If you are able to assist and my city of Shanghai survives in my hands, you will be granted at least one or two free techs from me depending on your involvement. (and possible additional support in the future)

This support would be needed as an immediate response, as it's possible I could lose this city in the next few turns and PMB would grow in strength and power because of it.

Arabia cannot, unfortunately, aid the Chinese in this matter for we are dedicated to rescuing our captured workers who have been enslaved in Japan for approximately 600 years. Oh yeah, and there are Japanese mobs running amok in my lands :(

This is a Call for Support:

Any Civilization willing to assist me in surviving this onslaught attack from PMB by declaring war on him and helping to save my city will heavily rewarded when I am capable of doing so. If you are able to assist and my city of Shanghai survives in my hands, you will be granted at least one or two free techs from me depending on your involvement. (and possible additional support in the future)

This support would be needed as an immediate response, as it's possible I could lose this city in the next few turns and PMB would grow in strength and power because of it.

I may be interested in the heavily rewarded part of the question... you can make me an offer... :)

Cheers mate..

PMB

Well the warmongering PMB obviusly had no intentions of peace, as he has now captured the lovely city of Shanghai.... :(

It seemed like a time limited offer, as in 'you have 24 hours to make terms or die' or some such. I can sympathise with you however, I too have been attacked by an aggressive civilization :p

Well the warmongering PMB obviusly had no intentions of peace, as he has now captured the lovely city of Shanghai.... :(

I had and i may have intentions of an understanding, but as long as we dont agree on something; peace , cease fire, aliance against one of your neighbours (as one of your allies suggested) or whatever you may think of, is not reasonable to expect a... oh ok.. rearm and regroup your defenses, i'll be here waiting to restart the war...

Get your facts straight.. i dont lie and i dont backstab, period. What i say i do it.. but never in any circustancy i led you to believe that there would be a cease fire... the game has it... and was never offered (or accepted).

Cheers

PMB

PS. does any of you guys know i to change the turn time from 24 to 20 hours in pitboss? I host a 3 players game and would like to change it... thanks.

Hi all.
I too have to go interstate for 2 weeks (on a lovely course thanks to work.) I have given the necessary info to a mate who will take over control of my Civs in both of GGPs Pitboss games. I hope this is Ok with everyone.

I also hope you all play nice with ChickenLips, I am trying to get him hooked on Civ4 :-)

Again I hope this is OK with everyone, I leave in the morning and will be gone for 2 weeks. Chat to you then.

My holiday will start tomorrow night for 2 and a half weeks. I was going to get 'HitanyKey' to take my turns for me, but it has been expressed by other players that having control of two civs at a time could be considered cheating, even if both civs are allied.

Instead I have decided that I will turn it over to AI. The AI can do some pretty dumb things, but I've just started a war against PMB by retaking a city he conquered from China, so the AI can't do anything much more stupid than that!

Feel free to try to come in and bash the crap outta my cities while I am away, there will be no hard feelings that you have 'exploited my stupid AI civ' while away.

HitAnyKey, please do not take control of my civ. :)

Next week I'll be away without internet access.
I'll just queue the orders, since I'm not at war with anyone...
If that changes and someone decides to attack a poor civ that has no leader, please change my civ to AI, guineapig. :)

I'll be out until the middle of the week. Sorry that I didn't let you know any sooner than this... I'll try to find someone to end my turns for me, so that none of the other players have to suffer through a long timer ;)

GGP, can you please get this game up on CivStats? This is the last game I'm in now that's not up there and I'd really like to have them all visible like that.

Thx

I don't think that GGP's playing or paying attention to this game anymore :(

Sorry guys, I'm interstate for 2 months. I did offer for anyone to remote in and set up the stats, had a few interested people but nobody really hung around to give it a good shot.
In about a month I'll be home for a few days, so add me to your MSN and keep an eye out for me if you wanna do this.

sorry just read about the latest stat program after my last post - will try and get this done when I'm back for a few days. Sorry guys :(

'Twas a valiant and enjoyable battle. The mighty PMB has destroyed us and we are not fertilizer to their lands....

GGP, please remove me from the turn notifications. As I've been eliminated. :)
Thx

'Twas a valiant and enjoyable battle. The mighty PMB has destroyed us and we are not fertilizer to their lands....

GGP, please remove me from the turn notifications. As I've been eliminated. :)
Thx

Sure, next week when I'm back home. Reply to the next one you get and say REMOVE ME so I'll remember.

Why is this game still not on CivStats?

Is this game even still alive?

Sure. I'm about to retaliate against Moose for culture bombing me. Some civs who shall remain unnamed have handily traded him/her some defensive techs (damn you), but not in time to save Karachi I think. DanDRidge is expanding like crazy, DribNairb is attempting a culture win, and GenSeed has some secret plan that doesn't seem to make sense. Maybe you could poke Rince with a stack of units and see what he does, I'm not even sure he's present even though Russia was the one that discovered Liberalism first.

:king:

I haven't gotten a turn notice in about a week... so I haven't been logging in, assuming the game was down... Have I been missing turns?

CB, the game is also on Civstats now.

Grr... No one told me :(

Where do I get my password to register my leader on civstats?

GenSeed has some secret plan that doesn't seem to make sense.

ORLY? I remember sending a message to you a couple of turns back, but can't even remember what it was. I really wish they had a scrollback chat option. :(

anyway, have fun in your war against the Moose!

OK. But if you forget your plan also, you can try mine - I call it the Go To War With The Moose and Win Plan. I think it might work well for you...

Sure. I'm about to retaliate against Moose for culture bombing me. Some civs who shall remain unnamed have handily traded him/her some defensive techs (damn you), but not in time to save Karachi I think. DanDRidge is expanding like crazy, DribNairb is attempting a culture win, and GenSeed has some secret plan that doesn't seem to make sense. Maybe you could poke Rince with a stack of units and see what he does, I'm not even sure he's present even though Russia was the one that discovered Liberalism first.

:king:

Ssshhhh! You don't have to tell everyone what our plans are! :lol:

Where do I get my password to register my leader on civstats?


??????????

from the turn notifier

PitBoss Notify:A new turn is ready for you to play for GGP two, Turn: 1055 AD.

Civstats has been set up, gameid 147 for game 1, 148 for game 2. Someone who
wants to set up the finer details of it send me a pm and i'll give you the
password to admin it.

Wing Wah said: OK. But if you forget your plan also, you can try mine - I call it the Go To War With The Moose and Win Plan. I think it might work well for you...
I really don't think that is nessary, nor a very good plan, at least for me :cry:

I am glad to see you have a sense of humour, and a heart of gold :king: , Thanks for accepting a peace treaty, hopefully peace can last a little more than 10 turns ;)

Thanks to those that offered help. I guess I have some debts to repay now :sad:

That doesn't get me my leader password... I don't want to administer the game, I just want to have it show up on my "my games" page, and to do that I have to register my leader. If the only way to get that done is to log in as GGP and do itm myself, I'll do that, but it hardly seems like sometyhing that GGP can't just do himself... Going to the player details page and assigning each player a passwor (even if they're all the same) is not a complex set-up procedure...

Hi Guys and Girls

I have had a chat with GGP and I will organise the CIVStats pages for us. There is a bit of work to associate everyones name with their leaders name and provide a password, so I will try and do this on Saturday.

To make my job easier, coud you please PM me with your game Username (eg Moose) and your leaders Name, (eg Aosaka)

I will then PM everyone their passwords on this site, once I set them. Hopefully this will all be done within 2 days from now. Once I do this CB you can register you leader and it will be in your games.

If you ahve any questions please PM or email me.

Cheers

Moose

Moose, since you are communicating with him and I havn't heard back from any of the emails I've sent him yet....can you please have him remove me from the Turn Notifier? I'm still getting them and I was eliminated long ago...

Thx

I have added everyone to CIVStats now. It didn't take as long as i thought it might. You should of recieved a PM from me with your password, If anyone has any trouble registering their leader please let me know and I will see how I can help.

To the guys/girls that have been eleminated and I still PMed, sorry, I forgot who had been eleminated untill I was half way down the list :rolleyes:

To anyone here playing in GGPs first PitBoss game, I have also tried to add you all to that one. If I have not added you it is because I could not find you here to PM or could not work out who your leader is, Please PM me and I will sort it.
:confused: That is if anyone other than GGP, DanDridge and myself are still playing it.:confused:

Is the game down? I can't log in and the CivStats page says it's been unavailable for for nearly 24 hours:(

Yes dribnairb, and everyone the server is down.

I just caught up with GGP, who is interstate and on a dodgy wireless connecting so he is unable to restart the server. He is tryin got contact his flat mate to get it restarted, however he does not promise getting it up. He does promise to do his best though.

Hopefully he can get the server up soon, so I can get my but kicked a little more :eek:

Regards

:) Games are now back up. Civ Stats has given a message for both the server going down and when it came back up. Hopefull everyone can now access civstats alright. If not give me a PM and I will try and help.

Regards

Moose

Is the server down again, I could not log on today.:confused:

Is the server down again, I could not log on today.:confused:

I can't log in either, although the civ stats page doesn't show any problems. Has the IP address changed perhaps?

maybe ggp changed his firewall config? i last logged in almost 13 hours ago, but couldn't connect just now.

Well, that's the turn finished and CivStats seems to think the game is continuing on. I still can't log in, so if anyone else manages to make it into the game can they post here please so the rest of us know? Cheers!

I can not connect either. I am going to guess that CIV Stats will not relise it is offline untill the next turn starts and CivStats doesn't get the new turn message. In about 2 hours I am willing to bet CivStats will show the game as offline.

GGP said he will chat to his flat mate when he can and get it restarted. Keep an eye on CivStats it should show whats happening.

Game seems to be back up!

I've just logged in and everything seems ok. I think the game must have been reloaded from a save a couple of turns ago from about the time the login problems started, so everything seems ok.

kuningas, if you're reading this, last turn i invaded your country (after you had your turn). defend yourself!

Sorry guys 1 more week till I'm back home, then if there are any issues they should be resolved pretty quickly.

Could someone backstab Wing Wah? While he is busy on my side.

Sorry guys 1 more week till I'm back home, then if there are any issues they should be resolved pretty quickly.

Strange I haven't received an email notification for this turn and CivStats is reporting problems connecting. However, I've just played my turn with no problems. Thought I'd post just to let everyone know they can play their turn and the server isn't down.

Also, GiantGuineaPig - you may not have a Civilisation to come back to in a week's time, Our aggressive neighbour GenSeed has attacked you and already taken one city (Sorry GenSeed :rolleyes: )

Yeah sorry dude, I thought you'd pretty much just given up on this game. And Drib went and took away India, who I'd been wanting to attack since the start of the game. So you were the easiest on my border, and on the water... so I took you on. I can hold off all attacks until you get home if you want, but I don't think you'll have all that much chance anyway.

A question regarding the victory conditions in this game:confused: . There are some "unofficial" alliances between some players and I was wondering how the victory will be determined. Are permanent in-game alliances and team victories possible? Or is there only one player that can win this game?

Well if you look at Civstats, you'll see in the Options section that Perm Alliances is not turned off. In that case when you guys reach that stage in the game (I forget which Tech allows it), then those players can form the in-game Perm Alliance. I believe then their scores become linked in some form when it comes to determining the victory at the end.

But in Civstats some games specifically state in the options section "Permanent Alliances". In this game this is not stated. So I interpret that Permanent Alliances are set off by default and are not possible in this game. Is this the fact?

Well you should be able to check by looking at the settings of the game itself next time you log in (since i"m eliminated, I can't check :)). If there is nothing displayed about it, then it's set at the default setting. Then just go to a new game setup, and check what the default would be. That'll get you your answer.

There's no mention of Permanent Alliances in the game settings (just logged in to check), and on a new (single player) game they have to be turned on (the default is off), so I assume they can't be made in this game (unless, of course, multiplayer is different). The icon is still there on the Facism tech in the Science advisor tree though...

On another note, the CivStats page shows the wrong settings anyway - it says the speed is Normal (it's actually Quick) and the Map Type is Continents when it's Fantasy. Probably the others settings could be wrong too. It showed this before it got disconnected from the game (which is really strange, because everyone seems to be able to get in themselves ok - it just means there are no alerts).

Is PBM still playing this game? I've been trying to finish a negotiation that we were in the middle of, and he hasn't responded for quite some time. Civstats also shows no recent log-ins for him, but that might just mean he logged in while the loader was disconnected...

Anyone know for sure?

Yeah, I ran into him last turn. I wouldn't trust the civstats for this game at the moment, it's quite out of whack.

Yeah, PMB has just got back. Hrrrmm negotiations huh... I think I better watch my back! :p

Sorry everyone, but my professional life does is not giving me enough free time to play these dyas. I have to quit this game, because of it.

I'll start looking for a replacement. If any of you know someone who may be interested in replacing me, please let me know.

Hi all - portuga i'm ready to replace you and give back the place when you may come back. :)

Regards

Sorry Mitiu. Agemo contacted me yesterday. He too was interested in the Job :)

Thanks anyway.

Message edited away as it's obsolete

Just a note to say, I've just logged in and played my turn, although CivStats again thinks there's no connection and I haven't received any email notification.

However, the game seems to be running fine but I noticed nobody else has played their turn yet.:eek:

Cheers DribNairb. What's the latest estimate for your cultural victory anyway? So we can, you know, celebrate We Love DribNairb Day...

Could someone backstab Wing Wah? While he is busy on my side.

Well Greece is about gone next turn. You guys suck at teh backstab :mischief:

Hmm latest estimate is about 2 turns after your Domination victory:lol:

If anyone has some Great Artists for sale I'm willing to pay handsomly for them, but so far nobody is taking the bait. But if you'd like to organise a celebration of "we love DribNairb" that's fine with me:king:

anyone else not able to connect? :confused:

Well, I can't log in either, so I assume the server's down :(

Server is back up...

Thanks GGP!

GGP, since you aren't responding to my emails....can you PLEASE remove me from the Turn Notifier email. You said you'd do this over a month ago and I'm really geting tired of getting them.

Thx

From days of yore...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/41619/stack_.JPG

Those were the good ol' days... someone declare war already!

Someone declare war? Didn't you just declare war on me a few turns ago?:eek:

Ah well, I suppose I knew it was coming sooner or later. I just didn't expect it to be you, Wing Wah. If anyone wants to offer help, please do! :)

By the way, the server seems to be down again. Since GGP's Egypt has been destroyed, thought I'd better post since he may not be aware of it.

Yeah I was worried that once I took out his civ that the server might be a bit less stable. I'm sure he'll get it back up ASAP as he normally does.

Maybe we need someone to take over the game?

ggp was having adsl issues last night, and it seems his network connection dropped out. Game has been reloaded, and it seems only Moose has lost his turn (PMB and Pennywise get a chance to get their turn in now before 1525AD).

Wing Wah, if you are in communication with him, can you PLEASE get him to take me off of the Turn Notifier emails? I've asked half a dozen times already and have gotten no response. It's getting very frustrating.

I'm going to be away for about 5 or 6 days. I hope this doesn't mean everyone takes this opportunity to declare war on me! :eek:

Wing Wah, since we're still at war - if you conjure up a significant attack I'd appreciate it if you could get GGP to switch me to AI until I return. Or of course, just hold off attacking until I'm back :mischief:

It was worth a try.

Enjoy

Haha, big mistake pal you're going down! GGP hardly checks this thread!

Just kidding, I'll hold off till you're on AI or you're back. The server seems inaccessible at the moment anyway - again.

I'm going to be away for about 5 or 6 days. I hope this doesn't mean everyone takes this opportunity to declare war on me! :eek:

Wing Wah, since we're still at war - if you conjure up a significant attack I'd appreciate it if you could get GGP to switch me to AI until I return. Or of course, just hold off attacking until I'm back :mischief:

It was worth a try.

Enjoy
:lol: :lol: I take it for granted you're not exploiting this and building extra units and military techs during this time ;) ;)

:lol: :lol: I take it for granted you're not exploiting this and building extra units and military techs during this time ;) ;)

Sounds like more than one power is interested in fighting the French...

Righto, game host got disconnected, but for some reason we couldn't connect to the game after that (even though civstats reported all ok). It's been reloaded from the last turn that we didn't finish, i.e. 1535AD. Agemo, I'm not sure if you lost your turn or not, it says you haven't ended your turn on civstats.

Also, HitAnyKey, the pbnotify isn't running anymore so you shouldn't receive the mass emails anymore, except the ones from civstats (which you can turn off, I presume). Same goes for other eliminated players.

I did not lose my turn I think anyway it's completed now :)

:lol: :lol: I take it for granted you're not exploiting this and building extra units and military techs during this time ;) ;)

Well, I still had military units in my build queues :) but I notice I was switched to AI at some point so God knows what it's done to my cities :cry:

Ah well, I'm back now. So I can sit back and wait for the onslaught...

LOL! Well... Agemo now has a military with combat experience. He killed about 10 of my units. I guess my DO OR DIE plan will result in me DYING!

Why are you guys even fighting? Not that I'm complaining...

Why are you guys even fighting? Not that I'm complaining...

good question

Why are you guys even fighting? Not that I'm complaining...

good question

I wanted oil. He had oil.

He also had a better military than I thought.

I got thrashed! LOL!

My ADSL seems very unreliable sorry - but server seems to survive the many dropouts at the moment.

If anyone needs me the best thing to do is add me to MSN, a few guys from here do and let me know if they notice the server down or need anything done and usually I can do it on the spot :) Hope the game has been playable for you guys, but the D/C's have been out of my control.

HitAnyKey - I removed you a few times once I finally got back from interstate but for some reason it didn't remember the changes I made (which is why it was still saying old messages I put in it) anyway since it's turned off that shouldn't be a problem.

Hey Agemo can't we just be friends? :)

Sorry Pennywise. I had to pick someone to bully and the Germans just happened to sneak thru *your* land to attack me...
So I wanted to give myself more land(time) to defend against someone stealing *my* oil :)

LOL! I think after my botched attempt you have nothing whatsoever to worry about.

Game's back up, 1655AD. Only Agemo lost their turn...

For Sale: One Great Engineer.

Willing to trade for Great Artist/Great Prophet, lots of cash and/or technologies.

Contact DribNairb of France

:)

For Sale: One Great Engineer.

Willing to trade for Great Artist/Great Prophet, lots of cash and/or technologies.

Contact DribNairb of France

:)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I've just logged into the game and after about a minute it stopped responding. I think I crashed it :eek: Sorry!

I logged in, got disconnected from the game, went back in and finished my turn - but civstats doesn't show that I logged in. It's not showing that the game is still up.

I've just managed to log in and play my turn. It looks like none of the moves I started were remembered, so either the game has been reloaded from the start of the current turn or the connection problem was at my end.

Either way, the server IS up and running, but civstats isn't showing it. Most people haven't played their turn yet though, and there are only 12 hours left on the timer.

I'll be away up until New Year. Have fun and stuff. Don't kill me too much while I'm gone.

Sorry Wing Wah, I just logged in and didn't check you'd played your turn yet or not (I just assumed you had since normally you play your turns almost immediately!)

I've only promoted one unit before I realised - I doubt it will make much difference but I'll wait for you to move your units first.

No worries. I could sort of tell from the few minutes you were logged in ;)

I just started a new war with DanDridge, so now I'll need to be waiting for him to make his turns before I start mine... although this probably only applies to units involved with Mali, and not the ones in France.

No worries. I could sort of tell from the few minutes you were logged in ;)

I just started a new war with DanDridge, so now I'll need to be waiting for him to make his turns before I start mine... although this probably only applies to units involved with Mali, and not the ones in France.

Hmm, that's a good point. Since all 3 of us were logged in at the same time during the last turn it was easy to know when to move units. This time it could be more difficult. I just logged in and realised the turn had only just started so nobody had played yet (I should really check civstats first, it's easier!). I haven't done anything, but I'll need to know when you've moved so I can play, and DanDridge needs to tell you when he's moved so you can move your units...

I'm going to wait for a bit now, but perhaps you could send a diplomatic message or something to confirm when you've finished in France, then I'll know when I can move. This is assuming, of course, I survive another turn!

Or, even easier, let's have a peace treaty! :)

Rejoice, for DribNairb's cultural chokehold is gone. Lyons is destroyed. Huzzah!

Drib, I've sent you a civstats message. Dan, I haven't moved my units outside France yet.

Ok I'm done with turn 1745 AD.

Now everybody just go and attack the evil empires and their dictators Wing Wah and his loyal servant PMB ;)

Well, the server seems to be down again - but, since I've now lost my only hope of winning, I think I'm going to admit defeat anyway. If someone wants to take over, feel free - or perhaps someone could switch me to AI.

Well done Wing Wah - I hope someone destroys you soon :lol:

Happy New Year everyone

My bomber stack somehow moved cities between my last turn and this one. It's left me feeling pretty sour since I'd only just positioned it good, and now it's out of range.

Really? I thought you made some kind of clever cover-operation:crazyeye:

I guess you can see the stack in Vilcabamba, huh? Well that stack was originally in Ollantaytambo; that's how I got your oil. That was just last turn, so I have no idea how my stack turned up in another city. :confused:

Never mind, Calcutta is still going down! :king:

Anyone HELP!!!

I seem to be stuck between Wing Wah and PMB, and I don't like it. :sad:

I have lost one city and have tanks, gunships and marines rolling in on the next :cry:


Why, Why are you sooo evil Wing Wah. Why do you fight so hard to rule the world (tic). You could of won by space race or diplomatic means. You know peacefully!!


I will fight to the bitter end, however I doubt I will see much of the 18th century :sad:

You declared war on me? Why is that?

so much evil in such a good world :(

LOL!

1765 AD:
DanDRidge plays turn
I login, bomb Dan's oil, repair my own
DanDRidge logs in, sabotages my oil (from Event log), repairs his own

1770 AD:
My oil units don't get built because my oil is sabotaged, but Dan can continue to build his (I assume).

Someone tell me if this isn't double moving? I don't want to wait to the last minute of 1770 AD to make my turn just to stop Dan from doing extra oil related moves after I've played mine. For other things I'd normally say it's OK, but this has a direct effect on our war, so it's kind of the same as double-moving units.

In this case the advantage is Dan's since he can continue building oil units, while I can't, unless I login after Dan and repair my oil before the turn ticks over - not that I have the workers to repair oil (on ice!) twice in 1 turn.

I understand the alternative would be to my advantage, since I play after Dan in our little war. Effectively giving me the chance to repair any sabotage, and bomb and resources, denying their use during the next build cycle.

I guess the question is, do people think the 'normal' double move rule applies to sabotage and pillaging? It definitely gives an advantage to the player who moves last during a war, but the alternative is a race to see who gets to login last, and who has the most resources to sabotage/repair resources.

PS sorry for the long post.

PPS kudos to DribNairb for watching in-game while I destroyed Lyons' defenders, all the while having a huge stack just outside the city to reinforce it. I didn't take the city that turn (damn gunships), but that was fairly played.

I believe the phrase is

"All is fair in love and war"

I think double moving is a legit strategy no matter what you do. There are pros and cons to it. Some people think having the last turn is the best thing to have, some think the first. Either way they see it they win one and lose one.

Sure. But the reason why I like PTBS games is they omit the 'reaction time' factor (when no double moving is enforced). Anyway I've had my say, I'm content to play on as is.

While I'm here, can we have Open Borders GenSeed?

1765 AD:
I understand the alternative would be to my advantage, since I play after Dan in our little war. Effectively giving me the chance to repair any sabotage, and bomb and resources, denying their use during the next build cycle.

I guess the question is, do people think the 'normal' double move rule applies to sabotage and pillaging? It definitely gives an advantage to the player who moves last during a war, but the alternative is a race to see who gets to login last, and who has the most resources to sabotage/repair resources.


Yeah, this is an unavoidable problem. It's just impossible to accept any double moving rules regarding pillaging. The one who moves last always gets the advantage. There can't be any artificial rules, who is allowed to pillage and repair first and who last. If I would always let Wing do his pillaging last, I could never have Oil. And same the same is true for Wing. Maybe only solution would be that pilaging wasn't allowed at all. But that would be a very restictive rule.

Wing Wah: I have to take my turn as I won't be home until like 14 hours later... only troops movement for me and therefore should not make a difference...

It's OK, most of them were ambushed in the field anyway ;) So I assume I was the one supposed to go first in each turn? If I go first next turn though then I will have DM'ed. I'm alright with 'setting' the first move to the last turn , i.e. when you moved first.

Okie then I move first from now...
Thx