This is my first scenario,
I tried to make it as accurate and current as i could, but the 18 civs only thing made it really hard. So i pushed a bunch of countries together to make it only
18 big mass countries. I used the Huge world map and changed it slightly so there are less forests and i tried to make it accurate so that big cities would be big, but food consumption and things kinda made alot of big cities starving, SO, its not entirely bug free in that area. but i did my best, the file is pretty big.

http://www.filehosting.cc/download.php?id=55DD73F9
I named the file NOW, so u can find it<
^i hope the file hosting place works:confused:

I also tried to set troops in accurate detail, but since russia isnt broadcasting its
troop locations i had to guess. im not sure what the plot of the map is but i set it in 2012. i hope it works well!:goodjob:

Well the map is the earth, and ill get a map with the borders up soon, the list of civs is as follows:
Egypt-EAN (Eastern African Nations)
India-ISA (India and Southeast Asia)
China- The Peoples Republic of China
Greece- Baltic States
Italy- The Republic of Italy
Persia- The Commonwealth of Australia and New Zealand
Japan- Japan and Indonesia
Germany- Centro-Eastern European Union (CEEU)
Mongolia- Central-West Asian Union
France- The Republic of France
Arabia- Middle-Eastern Nations
Spain- The Kingdom of Spain
England- United Northern Nations (UNN)
Russia- Russia and Eastern Europe
Mali- Western African Nations (WAN)
Inca- South American Union (SAU)
Aztec- Central American Nations (CAN)
America- United States of America (USA)

All the countries are unionized and crunched together into the 18 civs

Hmm.. i dont completly understand what it is.
A list of the civs and some screenshots would be great though:)

Irealistic ! Should make Blocks like EU, NAFTA, MERCOS0UR, ASEAN, AFRICAN UNION + few non alignated-civs

Yeah i thought of doing that, and i may still, dont know when though,:crazyeye:

2 words 4 u 2 laggy

2 words 4 u 2 laggy

Geez dimaliok, you could be a little more respectful of the scenario. Zimmtall seems like he's put a lot of work into it.

2 words 4 u 2 laggy

3 words 4 u....need new comp :lol:

Yeah, im sorry if it is laggy, the file is pretty big so it might only be playable by ppl who have fast computers.:sad: :D

I'll give it a try. looks ok to me.

pretty good.... but why is Spain the founder of Christianity it should be in either Rome or Jerusalem no?

pretty good.... but why is Spain the founder of Christianity it should be in either Rome or Jerusalem no?
I didn't realize i had done that, sorray:crazyeye:

I really want a scenario like this for Civ IV, got one for Civ II and couldnt stop playing it.

Civs i thought of were

EU
USA
China
CIS (commenwealth of Independant states (USSR basically minus the Baltic states)
ASEAN (south east asia)
Arab League (Middle east and northern Africa and indonesia)
OAS (The rest of Africa)
CARICOM (caribean)
South american alliance (not sure it south america has a comunity or not?)
Japan (inc South Korea)
Australia, New Zealand and independant Pacific states
Canada
Israel
Central american alliance (as south america)
North Korea
Taiwan
India
Pakistan

Think it covers the whole world, it was a lot harder with the earlier versions of Civ

-Adhd

I really want a scenario like this for Civ IV, got one for Civ II and couldnt stop playing it.

Civs i thought of were

EU
USA
China
CIS (commenwealth of Independant states (USSR basically minus the Baltic states)
ASEAN (south east asia)
Arab League (Middle east and northern Africa and indonesia)
OAS (The rest of Africa)
CARICOM (caribean)
South american alliance (not sure it south america has a comunity or not?)
Japan (inc South Korea)
Australia, New Zealand and independant Pacific states
Canada
Israel
Central american alliance (as south america)
North Korea
Taiwan
India
Pakistan

Think it covers the whole world, it was a lot harder with the earlier versions of Civ

-Adhd

Seems to me that it might have been more prudent to combine Canada and the US as well as possibly mexico and call them North American Alliance.

Britian by itself is more of a major player in international affairs then Canada is yet it combined Britian into the EU but Canada gets its own country??

Just a thought. . .

Well, Britain happens to be part of the EU, whereas Canada, the US and Mexico are only loosely connected due to the NAFTA agreement.

ASEAN will never side with INDIA, their customers are largely east asian nations, and it would be bad for them. if you can't give ASEAN it own group, you should join with with the australian ones. there are some level of defence cooperation among the oceania and asean groups thanks to their colonial past.

japan and south korea are bad choices to mix together. these 2 country hate each other... if you are gonna throw in taiwan and north korea as seperate state, it will give japan too much advantage.

As already stated, India and Southeast Asia would never align together like that. Southeast Asia is too closely tied to East Asia (ie: China, Japan, etc) and India's got it's own problems, so they would be hesitant to do much for Southeast Asia anyways. Considering these two groups represent huge populations and control massive resources, I would say it would be a good idea to seperate them.

Also, Europe could probably be better organized as the European Union (in most of the western and central Europe) and the Commonwealth of Independent States (in former USSR).

Combining Canada, the United States, and Mexico would create (in a way) NAFTA, which could be strengthened as a North American Alliance. Chances are those countries would generally pursue the same foreign policies anyways.

Subdivide Asia some more. Feel free to make Japan completely independent. They have a strong self-defense force that might as well be called an army but isn't for political purposes. South Korea is another small yet strong country that might be able to survive as an independent entity, but maybe combine them with Taiwan and Singapore and call them "The Tigers?"

Anyways, good work on the scenario. :D We appreciate it.

Well, Britain happens to be part of the EU, whereas Canada, the US and Mexico are only loosely connected due to the NAFTA agreement.

True but first of all Britain is only very loosely tied to the EU when compaired to other EU nations such as France and Germany.

Second of all I was speaking in terms of relative world power. Put bluntly, Canada doesn't have a heck of a lot while Britain is typically the second country everyone wants to talk to behind the US. And neither does Mexico for that matter.

All I'm saying is that in terms of relative power, if Britian is combined with the EU then you would need to combine Canada with the US.

If you were to combine all North American countries, it would be more lopsided. The world's only superpower having a continent to itself?

Also, the UK is small. They own Great Britain and Northern Ireland... Not much on a global map.

Also, the UK is small. They own Great Britain and Northern Ireland... Not much on a global map.It may be small but it's one hell of an important country and has been for at least the last millenia. Therefore it deserves to be a country on its own.

There's really no need for Taiwan.

Hey, first I want to say good job. Not many modern one too find these days, thanks for the effort you put in.

But how come Japan gets the short end of the stick? Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't Tokyo be one of the most population cities in the world (Last time I checked it was at 30 million, NY city isn't even half that amount).

Thats my only grip on it, but for the most part, good job :)

Why give Taiwan to the USA, then if China attacks it will start a huge war?

Also if you take the UK out of the EU then the EU would probably just annex them on even the easy difficulty levels. Just leave them in the EU.

If China did attack Taiwan, the US would surely do something about it. Hopefully.

Impressions from the first turn of playing.

Great effort! This is a great map and I can see that you must have spent a hell of a lot of time placing the cities and resources.

The biggest thing I notice you can change off the bat is the civs and their leaders. I would reorder them:

- The Democracy Defense Initiative (USA+Canada+Taiwan)
- The Worker's Rights Group (Mexico+central and latin america)
- China
- Japan
- India
- European Union (all of Europe + progressive breakaway USSR countries + Turkey)
- South Asian Defense Pact (all SE Asian countries except Australia)
- Middle Eastern Coalition (all northern African countries north of the sahara + middle eastern arab countries)
- African Development Group (all african countries south of the Sahara)
- Australia
- Russia
- The Central Asian Republic (conservative breakaway USSR countries + Afghanistan)
- The Iran-Pakistan alliance

In my opinion, you don't need to fill up all the 18 civs just for the sick of filling up all of the slots. Besides, the suggestions that I have provided here I think are quite plausible sometime in the future.

Also, hopefully you can change the names of the leaders to something more current so that it is easier to remember which nation you are dealing with in negotiations.

I would suggest that you give the poorer and developing civs resources (like oil) that the developed nations do not have to offset their inferior technology and infrastructure. In addition, I suggest that you add severe penalties (such as unhappiness) to developed nations that are in a state of war. This would provide for sort of a cyclical conflict in which developed nations would need to pay a steep price (either in technology or blood) for resources but must do so inorder to stay superior.

Anyway thats just my 2 sense so far. Good luck!

I find hypo's suggestions good and realistic enough. A further tip: call subsaharan Africa "the African Union" (which is an organisation on the rise), SE-Asia "ASEAN" and South America "Mercosur" (which would exclude Mexico and Central America, so maybe there is a need for at least one more civilisation. Those South American countries that are not Mercosur members are generally at least associated).

ok there is obviously a lot of work put into this one, and its pretty good. for changes, i would suggest incorporating MAXRIGA's mod into it to have more unit selection. also, there are too many cities and civilizations, which slows it unnecessarily. U only need maybe one city with a lot of culture to represent alaska instead of 3 and etc. also, the USA's military doesnt consist solely of navy SEALS, in fact they are a minority to the US armed forces. Also try combining civs, and also give israel either its own civ or have Tel-Aviv or jerusalem be american owned. Have all europe as the European Union and maybe England and Australia together to offset that.

The UK is a pretty important part of the European Union :)

Bump.

If the person who made this scenario gets Warlords, then he could make the scenario into a mod with up to 24 civs (or more) in it. :eek:

Then again, 90% of all players computers would most likely explode. :lol:

Definately sounds interesting. I'm into these kind of scenarios myself. I suggest you use some great merchants to supply the big cities in shortage with food (+1 per merchant).

I really like the idea of Canada being the independant neighbour of USA. I miss that great when I play the earth map today, there the Aztec-American relation now is more predominant, but USA gets wiped off the map every time. I remember back in Civilization II where the World War II scenario (or was is world war three? I'm not sure if it was one I downloaded, since one of the world wars that came with the game didn't have the whole American continent) had Canada and USA as big powers together, with Canada having many colonies in Asia. It was so cool to be the flexible Canadian superpower (combined with USA's protection) and help the land war is Asia and again the German submarines near American shores.

Warlords does open many new opportunities for this scenario. With 30 civs or so you could represent most of the major countries of the world. Vassal states could also be used to effectively portray certain diplomatic relationships.

Seems to me that it might have been more prudent to combine Canada and the US as well as possibly mexico and call them North American Alliance.

Just a thought. . .

From your lips to Bush's ear...

Mexico is more tied to the United States than South America, even if they are economically more similar.

Israel is the world's third largest nuclear power after Russia and the USA, I think it warrants its own slot since it has basically no relations with its neighbours except for the occasional war.

US should just standalone.

Canada is kind of a "backdoor" to US, a NAFTA based power will cause unrealistic powerplay (eg, china begin increasing influence in canada for "peaceful" cooperation :lol: )

besides, it would be cool to see someone try to take over the world with the canadian army! :lol:

Mexico is more tied to the United States than South America, even if they are economically more similar.it would be economic disaster for USA, there is a reason Bush want to building a wall on the border: the cheap mexican labour will make american jobless and destroy the US economy. so it is quite hard to get the 2 population to unite behind a common economy.

*cough* only european are *cough* stupid enough to do so *cough* /jk! :mischief:

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israel should stand alone.
- it is a provider of technology (eg. china, singapore, err USA?)
- it is able to make it's own war (nuff said!)
- it IS the holy land ( :p )

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as for the arab state, jordan and iran tend to take seperate path from the rest of the crowd (weariness of minority). and iraq is now(partially defunct). :sad:

so the arab might include libya, egypt, syira, saudi, maybe UAE?

Middle Eastern Coalition suggestion is good if you wanna make a strong islamic superstate; else the africa islamic state do have a grouping for their own.

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Iran and Pakistan should be seperate. afterall, if you wanna invade all the "axis of evil" it shouldn't lead to war with other arab or Pakistan (which is an ally in the war).

Pakistan and India as contenters of the indian subcontintent.

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ASEAN is not wanting to be trap by it's neighbour's sphere of influence. will play important counterbalance role of shifting slightly to the underdog while still maintaining neutral as not to earn the displeasure of anyone. it trys to balance the power of China, Japan, India and Australia (as well as New Zealand) and keep itself in the center of world trade.

Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and Vietam are the key players. i suggest Kuala Lumpur as the Capital (twin towers :goodjob: )

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east asia should be the 2 korea, 2 china and japan. mongolia is a problem, it has almost no army or economy to play an international role. it's dependency on china has growth since USSR fell.

however, the small size of having 2 korea and taiwan might be hard to play. should be a hit for players whom love 1 city challenge! :p


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the idea of Democracy Defense Initiative is a (GDI) joke right? taiwan is a chinese problem, it would be like giving china control of cuba and call it communist defense initiative; that is too cold war. neither the people of china, korea nor germany want to be divided. hope of unification like germany still remains.

besides, calling it a Democratic alliance is dangerous, if taiwan next election result is prounification; will it mean US and Canada will deliever taiwan to China? :lol:

also, the language US used on the taiwan president, to a level of threating abandonment if it continues it nonsense, shows that US see taiwan as a cold war burden; US is not interested in turning the island of taiwan into a country; it doesn't want war. if china unified peacefully, so be it. if not, US want to ensure stability; it no longer promise it will enter a war as it now fear that the taiwan leadership do something stupid and START the war instead!

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CIS as USSR basically minus the Baltic states. might want to remove those states near turkey and ukraine as they are no longer under moscow influences (see "no more cheap gas for you!" tactic used by russia! :lol:)

central asia is still well under russian influences, china is increasing it's "coinfluences" via SCO; maybe interesting to have a central asia power; else it should be part of russian influence.

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I would like to see south africa and brazil as well, since they are part of the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa)

Bah as to the Uk take it out of the EU and list it as the British Common wealth with all its vassal states from the Falklands to Canada and Austrailia <all of them that independently swear loyalyty to the Monarch of Engalnd>

I don't understand your choice of religions for Australia... eg. Cairns and Brisbane has Buddhism. Sure there are a lot of Japanese tourists on the Gold Coast but they're not permanent residents. Also, I think the majority of Australia's Jewish population lives in Melbourne and very few comparitively live in Sydney (correct me if I"m wrong here). Another thing, the entire ACT (the territory Canberra resides in) only has a population of 300 000 so you should probably make the city smaller. Lastly, why is every city in the country producing warriors? :/

Israel as one city, owned by the US? Otherwise one city could never realy do what Israel does... possibly the same for s. korea, syngapor, etc.?

Thinking a few things here:
in 2008, the EU is supposed to vote on a new treaty (not a constitution) that creates an EU presidency, more central powers, more economic power, etc. To reflect this change, as well as general changes in the world by 2012:

The European Union, capital Brussels
The United States of America
Central American Economic Aliiance (CAEA): something like this is in the works, I believe, promoted by Venezuela and Cuba (who else?). Include Mexico in this.
Russian Federation: Try recreating the USSR or something. The way Putin is doing things recently, a shift towards autocracy, the US missile base diplomatic crisis, etc.
ASEAN (Major Southeast Asia-India Economic Pact thing): forgot the proper acronym, but counts India, Indonesia, SE Asia (maybe Japan, Australia).
China (make Taiwan perpetually rebelling, maybe an AI in itself)
Middle East Alliance of some sort (...Islamic Federation? Dunno....): Should include Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan (maybe), Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon (if Hezbollah takes over)
Persian Gulf Democratic Alliance (counterweight to Islamic Alliance): Israel, Lebanon (if Lebanese gvn't takes over), Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Oman
African Union (like EU, taking further steps towards centralizing power)
The Commonwealth: Uhhhh. Okay. Australia, Canada, New Zealand et al aren't exactly world powers. Maybe Canada. But the rest? Come on. And looks like the Brits aren't getting into the whole EU thing. whatever.
India: On second thought, seperate from ASEAN. WAY too powerful and popful to do anything.


Again, not all 18 civs are needed. Keep it simple. Ish.

Religions
Get rid of these, for the most part. Make Jerusalem Judeo-Christian holy city, Mecca holy city, along with Tibet for Buddhism, Vrindavan/Gopal/etc for Hinduism, Confucian and Taoism holy cities I have no idea about, but whatever.

Free religion for most countries.



All I can think of. Gimme some feedback!

Massive thread rebirth. Interesting scenario, though.

Was this never updated? A shame, there aren't very many near future conflict scenarios and considering such great ideas were posted.

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hmm , it could be an idea to have Canada , Australia , New Zeeland and UK as the Commonwealth
dunno , maybe some more isles that also have Elizabeth as their Queen , call it personal union but she is technically the head of state for those countries.Also Cyprus has 2 UK bases.Gibraltar and Falklands could be done too.

USA should get Mexico and South Korea , also Diego Garcia and Kabul.
i would ignore Taiwan and make it a barbarian island to give China some action.

For problematic spots like Israel , if you choose to make ... make 2 cities .. Jerusalem and Tel Aviv
and base about 30 merchants there so they can support a huge army.Also Jewlers corp.Or have USA pay them 600 gold per turn for oil. ... and use less merchants.

New York , London , Hong Kong and Tokyo should all have about 20 merchants.Moscow ,Rio .Paris ,Berlin , Beijing ,Johanesburg and Cairo should have 10 merchants too.

remember to add 1 carrier groups for Brazil (or Mercosur) , India and Russia.
2 carriers groups for EU and Commonwealth and 10-12 for USA.

No carrier for China but many subs and destroyers.Japan same as China.

Russia should have about 3 times as much tanks as USA or EU .China should have 3 times more infantry. USA should have 5 times more air forces then next civ.

Expeditionary armies like Spenatz (Chechnia),French Legion(Chad) ,SEALS and SAS(Iraq and Kabul) should have a lot of experience , eg Leader and 30 more xp.

also , remember that you dont need 18 civs , prolly 7-8 big civs and 3-4 small ones.(Israel ,Pakistan ,ASEAN ,Ukraine , Egypt or African Union , Saudi ,South Africa )

some barbarian cities for Cuba ,Venezuela ,Colombia ,Serbia ,Kosovo, Albania,Iraq , Iran(- or civ) ,Afganistan ,Cechnia ,Daghestan ,Tibet ,Yemen ,Siria, Somalia ,Sudan , North Korea ,Taiwan ,Nigeria , Mali , Chad ,Zimbabwe ,Uganda and Rwanda ... just to keep us peace keepers busy :)
just dont over do unit numbers , better use 3x20 xp upgraded SAM inf/anti-tank/machine gun. than 10 riflemen.

This is my first scenario,
I tried to make it as accurate and current as i could, but the 18 civs only thing made it really hard. So i pushed a bunch of countries together to make it only
18 big mass countries...


...All the countries are unionized and crunched together into the 18 civs

There's a .dll that enables up to 50 civs. Try it.

Seems to me that it might have been more prudent to combine Canada and the US as well as possibly mexico and call them North American Alliance.

The term being bandied about these days is "North American Union". Its currency will be the Amero:

http://images.uncyc.org/commons/1/12/Amero-coins4.jpg

http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/april162008/amero_real.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1095/1168582647_3d6af41043.jpg

http://img.truex.org/amero.jpg

http://api.ning.com/files/mAW0JGQeaFYyvVQh41SJhzRhhpNFqUhOd4eh1SFokkE_/AmeroFrontNew.jpg