As a public service, under the "duties not assigned specifically to another official" clause of the Presidential powers, I hereby create the Term 5 Governor's Council and invite all governors to convene here.

Furthermore, there being several governorships open, I offer the council retroactive(1) use of the Open Offices Needing Appointments (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=169300) thread as a call for applications. Given that many applicants were chosen for other positions, and there are additional offices now open, I suggest extending the already concluded application process for 1-2 days so that additional people may offer themselves as sacrifices (volunteer) for these positions.

Of course, as President I have no standing with the council itself. Just giving y'all a hand with "organizing". :D

(1) so that if the Judiciary stubbornly refuses to accept that the 72 hour rule applies we don't have to wait extra days

I am open to take any position open. I would like to apply to any open governor's positions.

ill be a governer.

Well, robboo wanted me to run for governor of state, but I don't think I want the position. I will still be happy to be a mayor under the governor.

Well, there is no Governor of Abydos, and the Minister of the Interior has misteriously disappered. I ask the governor's council, if they mind if I take the worker currently position in Auda City (and positioned there for the last few turn chats) if I may take control of him for a few turns and use him to chop a forest 3 tiles below, and one tile to the right of Auda City. Thank you for your concern in this matter.

-Ice2k4 of Auda City, Governor

This is actually the office of the current governors. Someone who is currently a governor can post a request for applicants to the open governor positions, and then all the folks who want to be a governor can re-confirm their interest.

FYI, the "should we create a state" poll has passed, with two states being created. See the poll thread for details.

Well, legally, do we need all the governors to post that they agree to create states, and then you edit the first post?

or-

Can you just edit the first post yourself, and create the state, since it was approved?

Dave as prez can you appoint a MoI so we can appoint governers and then get on with the game?

Seeing how there are only two governors, both in diffrent states, does that make us govenors of the states? It says the current govenors need to come to an agreement as to who will rule the states. I believe this is a resonable agreement, I'm sure Ice2k4 would agree :)

yer that seems best, whomp is governer of MG though as well :)

Yes there are 3 Governors. We work it out among ourselves to decide who gets what. Please note that governos can have deputys (mayors) running cities within their state.

Two states will be created:

State 1 = Abydos, Turfan, and Old Safari
State 2 = Auda City, Toot Uncommon, and Ning-Hsin (spelling?)

As always Boaring Wallow will be left alone. Micilian's Gate will also be left out of a state.

Since I am going to ask for appointment of both Minister of the Interior and Censor, I am going to have to reisgn from governor (if I get appointed to both.) So I leave it among you and Whomp to decide who gets what. For now though, until I am appointed, I will accept any governship of either state.

Whomp, I would like take governship of the state including my humble home, Toot toot. If Ice does get MoI or Censor (or both) I believe it would be perfectly resaonable for you to take governorship of that state.

Sorry I missed this conference. Sounds like a plan. Count me in on running the other state.

I'm pretty sure I'm turning down Censor now, had a change of mind. If you two are willing to take care of the states, I guess I'll take over BW or MG. Let me get a ruling on if the Governor's Council can decide it, or if I have to ask to be appointed to one of those.

Edit: I was looking over the CoL and found this:

IV. Governor Vacancies

IVA. The Governors Council must request interested citizens that do not currently hold office to contact them. If no such citizen contacts the Council within 72 hours of the office being declared Vacant, the Council may appoint any citizen to the office.

IVB. If there is no Governors Council, the Minister of Interior must request interested citizens that do not currently hold office to contact them. If no such citizen contacts the Minister of Interior within 72 hours of the office being declared Vacant, the Minister of Interior may appoint any citizen to the office.

Since the office of BW has been vacant for a few weeks, then as long as both of you agree to appoint me I canbe governor of BW. As long as you guys agree of course.

Edit: I'm assuming this turnchat will be the last one before the states are officialy recognized.

I think Ice taking over BW is a good idea. What about creating a "mini-state" so to speak, and run both citys with a governor. Now that I say that, I expect any effort we make will be cut down by the Judicary, considering it technically is against the rules.

Actually strategy I looked over the rules.

I won't be able to take MC and BW, because I'm applying for MoI.

Governors (and members of the cabinet) are allowed to take 2 positions. That means you or whomp can control each a state, and one of you can also control MC. That will really help our problem with positions not being filled.

Here's the catch. If whomp takes a state, he can continue to hold that state and MC with no problems from the judiciary.

However, if Strategy takes MC, than we technically have to announce a vacancy in the Governor of MC office, and wait 72 hours for the governor's council to appoint a governor (STrategy) to MC, and that's if no-one else wants the job.

I would like to continue to develop Mic's Gate but will do whatever I can to avoid the judiciary. Let me know the easiest way to do this.

Well the easiest way to do it is not reisgn from Mic's Gate make a new thread (after this turnchat) called Governor of [State name] and Micilian's Gate.

Again as long as Strategy Dork agrees.

Sounds good to me!

Well then after the turn chat, I will officially announce all the changes in this thread.

Woah, wait a second. You can't just divide up all the power amongst yourselves. Look at the code of laws:
I. A Vacancy occurs when an office is empty due to the office holder resigning, judicial action, impeachment, if no citizen ran for election for that office or when a new office is created.
IV. Governor Vacancies
IVA. The Governors Council must request interested citizens that do not currently hold office to contact them. If no such citizen contacts the Council within 72 hours of the office being declared Vacant, the Council may appoint any citizen to the office.
Although Whomp may hold two offices, you must first offer the position to the open public for those that don't have positions. And the Judiciary is currently rulling on whether you must wait 72 hours before ending the aplication process. This will go to the Judiciary if you simply give the power to someone else in your group.

the question is: is this
a. Same job (ruling cities) with a slight change
b. a totally new post

but if you want to stop them from appointing themselfves, they will stop the proces because they need to give permission at the first place

Wait George. Here's how we can. Which we will :evil:

Boaring Wallow has been vacant for way more than three days. Hence the governor's council can appoint me whenever they feel.

When there is a creation of states, the Governor's council decides who govern's which states. Hence, the governor's council has decided StrategyDoRK take one, and Whomp take the other.

A governor can hold one more position in cabinet or governing. Hence, Whomp can remain governor of Micilian's Gate.

Everything we have done here is legal. There have been multiple cities left without governor's for a while, and we are correcting everything.

Give me a minute, and I'll edit the post with the full sections of the code of laws legalizing everything we did.

IC. States

1. No states may be created until our Civilization owns at least five cites.
2. A minimum of 3 cities must exist in a proposed state at the time of its creation.
3. The Creation of a state requires a 6/10 (60%) majority of both the Citizens Assembly and the Governors Council.

II. States

IIA. States are groups of cities run by a single Governor.
IIB. Cities within states do not have their own Governor.

1. Governors of States may designate a civil government led by a Mayor in cities under their control.

A. Mayors may be appointed or elected in a special election depending on the wish of the Governor of the State. The way of choosing Mayors does not need to be the same for all Cities in a given State.

2. A Governor of a State chooses how many cities if any will have Mayors in a given term.

IIC. The Capital of [Name of our Nation Here] will never be a part of a state.

B) Limits to Holding Office
I. No member of the Triumvirate or the Judiciary may hold a second office.
II. Governors and Members of the Cabinet may hold up to two offices at the same time.

C) Vacancies
I. A Vacancy occurs when an office is empty due to the office holder resigning, judicial action, impeachment, if no citizen ran for election for that office or when a new office is created.

IV. Governor Vacancies

IVA. The Governors Council must request interested citizens that do not currently hold office to contact them. If no such citizen contacts the Council within 72 hours of the office being declared Vacant, the Council may appoint any citizen to the office.

IVB. If there is no Governors Council, the Minister of Interior must request interested citizens that do not currently hold office to contact them. If no such citizen contacts the Minister of Interior within 72 hours of the office being declared Vacant, the Minister of Interior may appoint any citizen to the office.

Btw, were not trying to rule governship. If anyone wants a govoner's postion I'm sure one of us will be happy to reisgn from one of our posts.

So as a member of the Governor's Council, I herebey create

State 1(to be named later), consisting of Abydos, Turfan, and Old Sarai.
State 2(to be named later), consisting of Auda City, Toot Uncommon, and Ning-Hsia.

I also hereby declare

Whomp governor of said State 1
StrategyDoRK governor of said State 2

I also hereby delcare

Ice2k4 governor of Boaring Wallow (appointed by the governor's council after more than a week of vacancy of office.)

Whomp will remain governor of Micilian's Gate.

All changes will take affect after today's (and possibly going through tommorow) turn.

:D Ice you rock. I don't have the wherewithal to find all that stuff.

Heh, donsig has been so much up everyone's...you know, don't want to trigger an auto-censor..lately, that everything I have done, I check the CoL 3 times.

While this may be within the rules..it just doesnt feel right.

I agree with George that you should have opened it up...if anything just for appearances. You may end up causing more problems with the judiciary if someone got their hopes up for a governorship. BC was interested and passed over...he wont complain however.

For the sake of keeping the judges quiet...I hope you guys reconsider and ask for other applicants...we have the time.

I agree Robboo. My intent is involve anyone who is interested. If I simply manage Mic's Gate it's fine by me.

Here's what I would expect under common sense rules.

Someone who was already a governor of one of the cities in a state can take over as governor of the state without needing to do anything special, because creating the state can be thought of as converting that governor position (and deleting two more). The other governors of cities in that state must agree for this to happen. This parallels the ability of the Tri to reorganize the cabinet.

If there is an ordinary vacancy, then it must have been announced as open, and if anyone who didn't have an office applied it must be given to them instead of to a current office holder.

Allright, well if anyone wants the job as governor, just apply. I'm more than willing to resign from BW, and Whomp is willing to resign from his state. And the floor was open since May 1 of this month for governor positions. I assumed we just didn't have enough willing people to fill them. We had about 5 cities or so without governors (before the creation of states.)

ice...or who ever is in charge here..post a request in teh citizens forum.

I just wanted to make sure two people weren't going to govern more than one city/state. If you are just moving governorships around to people that already have governorship without giving anyone multiple positions, that's just updating because of the creation of states. I just want some job somewhere and I find some people talking about having multiple positions.

I hope that all governors of cities and states would follow the discussion in this thread. Its important to fix our economic woes and we need the governors to help.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=171307

Will do, allright looks like no-one is going to be appointed as governor. In the next tcit, everyone may now posts instructions in their new posts.

Please note that we've captured two additional cities at the last TC, Karakorum and Beshbaik. What shall we do about these?

Forgot about those. For now we can have them assumed under the power of the MoI. Someone post an appointmet call thread, atm I don't have any time and have to go.

I will, but we need to discuss long term goals of those cities. I believe they should belong to states as with the other liberated cities. There are two ideas I thought up.

Idea 1- Simply suck those two new cities into State 1.

Idea 2- Suck up the two cities into State 1 and transfer Old Sarai to State 2. Then each state has four cities.

Any thoughts or other ideas?

Well as for now (and plese if I misplell anything ive had 1 too many beers) I trust you to manage thos e two citites if you want to. We have a lot to do right now and that shouldnt be our naim concenr.

I wanted to get the state thing done before we had to vote on governors. That way we don't have people changing jobs like we had to do this term.

Agreed, but they may not even need to be filled. If noone asks for appointment, I trust you to take them over as MoI.

Can the Governor's Council legally turn governships of cities over to the MoI???

Agreed, but they may not even need to be filled. If noone asks for appointment, I trust you to take them over as MoI.

Can the Governor's Council legally turn governships of cities over to the MoI???

No, but I think the Triumvirate can. It would only last until the end of the term, unless put into the law.

I agree it falls to the president to provide that all missing "executive branch" positions (except for judges and censor) have a voice....common sense. :)

Governors,

You may like to know that the Great Atlas (Information Department thread) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=161764) has been updated to show all cities and areas as of 500 AD (May 16th turnchat). The cities are listed by state.

If you want to see what units are where in the vicinity of your city, check out the Cartography Department (Secretary of War thread) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=169722).

If you've any requests that will help make this information more useful to you, let me know.

Thank you. This is actually really useful. I don't think you missed out on anything.

Current Governors:

We have two open positions. We also have two elgible applicants. Please vote yay or nay to these appointments.

Karakorum is to be governed by Sweetacshon
Beshbaik is to be governed by Oldbus

(I just randomly matched them up. If anyone thinks it should be the other way around just let me know) Since this should be a private vote, please PM your votes to me. As soon as I have either two yays or two nays, I shall post the results.

Edit: All builds look good so far. I can't tell you what to build, just give the GC a list of things to build. I ask that no further troops be built at this time. We don't have the money to pay for new troops. I do ask that you do whatever you can to increase our science research.

I have no objections to appointing either any place. Theres only 1 tc left (doubt we can get another in) so we might want to rush apointing them.

The votes are in, and the motion passes. Congratulations Sweetacshon and Oldbus.

As a reminder, each governor needs to post in the instruction thread. You should give instructions for which spaces to work if you want them changed from what they are now and what you want to build.

I posted instructions for the workers. If there is a worker near your city that you think should do something else, please let me know. I want to maximize commerce, so I'm trying to cottage spam.

Thanks fellow governors. What are the members thoughts on building a few more workers to aid the cottage spam?

Thanks all & congrats to Sweetaschon as well.

Although I have web access at the moment, I'll be without Civ access for a few days, so I'm happy to go along with what GeorgeOP proposed.

Dont build any more workers either...count as units. Try to do with what we have. The population we would gain also helps work additional tiles which in some cities is needed since currently they can not work all improved tiles.

Yeh, I wouldn't build any more workers either. Plus, cottage spam only goes so far. I have a feeling we don't have enough citizens to work all the cottages we might build, and without citizens working them, there is no benfit.

I was talking about cottage spamming in the new cities. I don't think there's much use for any improvements in BW or MG and only one more cottage for Abydos (so there's one on the river and not in the middle of nowhere).

Naming of the two states has completed.
State 1 (containing Toot Uncommon, Ning-Hsia, and Auda City) has been named Auda Minor.
State 2 (containing Old Sarai, Abydos, and Turfan) has been named West Licentia.

Sorry this is kind of late. I thought the TC wouldn't be for another day or so.

"Karakorum" is released to the governor of Karakorum.
"Road Builders" is released to the governor of Beshbaik.
"Turfan" and "Old Sarai" are released to the governor of West Licentia.
"Abydos", "Toot Uncommon", and "Ning-Hsia" are released to the governor of Auda Minor.

Not all names match up, but that was still pretty good. Please don't forget to get your instructions posted.

The Great Atlas in the Information Department thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=161764) has been updated to 785 AD. It shows all cities and their surrounding areas.