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We discover Bronze Working.
Research begins on Pottery.
Shadow Tiger moves SW and finds a wolf.
Dark Puma moves S,S

Inter-turn: The wolf runs away!

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Bonus feature: The view from our palace.

Northwest
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Southeast
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great Pics DaveMcW !!! :D

One thing about that unatural wall of Mountains to the South, I am willing to be soemwhere there is a small access to the south where we will find our Southern Neighbour, Gettign a City Set up at such a choke point (if It does indeed exist :mischief: ) Would be monumental.

Furthermore, There is a Rvier that Runs directly through those mountains..methinks Sirian is a wise one who has planned that. So much so That I am Willing to bet if our Southern Neighbour Settled in place we can trade directly via that River :eek:

Or it could be right to the barbarians!

Are you sure that he will make it that easy for us? ;)

(But then again it would seem that we are getting to the point where we will find our neighbor...)

Or it could be right to the barbarians!

Are you sure that he will make it that easy for us? ;)

(But then again it would seem that we are getting to the point where we will find our neighbor...)

Although we can't disucss in the actuall turn orders thread, you realize the move SE with our unit will put him on the jungle hill and he will see a wall of three more mountains correct?

If your plans were to then go NE to the plains hill and continue east, then that is the right move.

I jsut want to make sure no one thinks that there is a passable space to the SE (if you open the save you can the 3 mountains :eek: )

Hmm, your fog gazing skills are better than mine, I only saw that when you pointed it out...

Will correct post, thanks.

It look thought that the mountain range will stop just out of visible range in the east. Is that right do you think?

If you get the right perspective, you can see the shadow of the mountains. Here is a drunken birds-eye view.

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The mountains do seem to stop (or maybe just move back) in the east.

Had a little too much rice wine?

Yah, that's what I Think I saw too.

Shadow Tiger moves SE
Dark Puma moves SE

Inter-turn: the wolf pops up NW,NW of the jungle hill.

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It looks like the tile SE,SE of Shadow Tiger is a mountain too.

Well I don't Know about our Defence Minister but Here would eb my moves over the next 2 turns
(Red Turn 1, Blue turn 2)

For the southern warrior I agree, there is bound to be a reason that the mountain range is there.

As for the northwestern warrior, ultametly I agree, but here are some other thoughts about what I am thinking:

As seen in this screenshot (http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civ4screenshot00983ph.jpg), there is only a little dip in the water, which is samwiched on both sides by land. This is other potential resources that we can get (which is not very pressing at the moment since we already found copper, but what we are concerned about is the length of the mountain range, and where we can get through, so this is what I'm thinking (In wonderful paint no less!):

Yeah that move set looks goo to me, ultimately maximizing the speed at which this can be done by hitting forests along the way :goodjob:

Shadow Tiger moves NE.
Dark Puma moves SE and discovers horses!

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Due To a Vacationing President :cool: , I will be assuming Responsibility to Play the save

If anyone has any objections to this please let me know. :blush:

If not until May 31st I will play the save which will most likely be 2~3 turns

Go for it! :thumbsup:

Turn 24 2040 B.C.

Shadow Tiger Moves SE and discovers a small passage to a world unknown
(Looks Like a very important furture choke point)

Dark Puma Moves SE to the Hill and Finds a Hut :goodjob: , Since he plan was to Continue SE anyways (and I couldn't Resist) The hut was popped netting 5 more experience.

Inter Turn: The Worker (Peter Grimes) Finishes, lots of action on the score board. Foreign Report should be interesting

Shadow Tiger moves south.
Dark Puma moves SE,SW.
Worker (sorry, I forgot to rename him) moves SE,S.
Epsilon Eridani begins building Library.

Inter-turn: Dark Puma kills the wolf.

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Shadow Tiger moves SE and find gems.
Dark Puma moves SE,SW.
Peter Grimes begins mining the southern hill.
All 3 Epsilon Eridani citizens are now working the floodplains. :blush:

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Shadow Tiger moves SE.
Dark Puma moves W,SW; finds bananas and more copper.

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Shadow Tiger moves south and finds pigs.
Dark Puma moves W, SW and finds more gems.
Dark Puma promotes to Combat I. He now has 1.8:strength:, and can heal to full if he skips next turn.


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We discover Pottery!
Research begins on Mystisicm.
Dark Puma moves SW,SE and finds a hut (NE,E).
Shadow Tiger moves SW and finds a hut (NW,NW).
Peter Grimes completes the mine.

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Shadow Tiger moves SW.
Dark Puma pops 1 Barbarian Warrior from the hut.
Peter Grimes moves into Epsilon Eridani.

Interturn: The barb warrior moves to the tile NE of Dark Puma.

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Hi,

now that there's a barb warrior roaming around, I realize that our capital is undefended. Er...if we are really planning to build a library next, when do we plan to withdraw our scouting warrior to protect the capital? And won't we have to suffer from unhappiness next turn, as our citizens will get angry about being unprotected ("we demand military protection")? In that case, I'd say we should build a warrior for MP duty first as fast as possible, even before growing!

Nevertheless, I propose staying where we are with our warrior. That way, chances are high that the barb warrior will attack him next turn, which will give us near-perfect odds of winning that fight (in forest, across river - only the hill bonus is missing :p).

-Kylearan

The Warrior is Scheduled for after the Library and will be built in time to combat the "we demand Military protection"

That is actually already accoutned for in the 4 :mad: (3 for population 1 for being undefended)

So we can grow to size 4 first (which happens interturn) and then we are at 5 :) and 5 :mad: :)

Hi,

The Warrior is Scheduled for after the Library and will be built in time to combat the "we demand Military protection" [...]

So we can grow to size 4 first (which happens interturn) and then we are at 5 :) and 5 :mad: :)
Hm...my gut feelings say that it's not optimal to artificially keep your capital below its possible maximum size just to build a library earlier. :hmm: Wouldn't it be better to quickly build the warrior first and then the library, letting the city grow one more?

But I'm very impressed with your detailed projections so far, so maybe you have researched both alternatives and this one turned out to be better. :)

-Kylearan

Hm...my gut feelings say that it's not optimal to artificially keep your capital below its possible maximum size just to build a library earlier. :hmm: Wouldn't it be better to quickly build the warrior first and then the library, letting the city grow one more?
-Kylearan

We won't ever actually stop growing.

But until the Library is done our new citizen will be on the Mined plains hill for +4 :hammers: (because let's face it 1 :hammer: a turn sucks and we are behind in production) And then once the second hill is mined one Citizen will move over there giving us +9 :hammers: a turn :)

I havn't yet sat down and redone the numbers (wedding :crazyeye: ) because we actually had a turn where we were short 1 :food: (but gained 2 :hammers:) But don't worry I had neevr planned to stop the growth of our city :goodjob:

This was due to a silly thing known as the Auto AI ;)

Hm...my gut feelings say that it's not optimal to artificially keep your capital below its possible maximum size just to build a library earlier. :hmm: Wouldn't it be better to quickly build the warrior first and then the library, letting the city grow one more?

We are capped by :health: as well as :mad:. We could put an extra unhealthy citizen on the floodplains for a gain of 1:commerce:, but we would get even more by finishing the library.

Hi,

We are capped by :health: as well as :mad:. We could put an extra unhealthy citizen on the floodplains for a gain of 1:commerce:, but we would get even more by finishing the library.
My gut feeling was more along the lines of having an additional citizen to put on a forest for the additional hammers to complete the library sooner. But I haven't looked as deeply into this as Memphus and you, so thanks for reassuring me that we are on the optimal track! :goodjob:

-Kylearan

Shadow Tiger moves south.
Dark Puma fortifies.
Peter Grimes starts mining the northern hill.
4th citizen in Epsilon Eridani works the mined southern hill.

Inter-turn: Dark Puma defeats the barbarian! He is down to 0.7/2:strength:

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What's Dark Puma's health?

Shadow Tiger moves south and find Ivory.
Dark Puma skips turn (up to 1.1/2:strength: now)

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Shadow Tiger moves SW
Dark Puma skips turn (up to 1.3/2:strength: now)

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Hi All ~ I am at work right now and am lookign to maximize out Commerce, Growth and production over the next 20 turns as we complete the Library, warrior settler and Oracle. However to do so I need a confirmation that currently as of the beggining of turn 33 we were sitting at:

Library 19??/90 :hammers: (I can see we are at +5 :hammers: turn)
Growth 7??/28 :food: (I can See we are at +3 :food: turn
Science 43??/50 :science: at +11 :science: turn (I know about the Prince difficulty modifier and will account for that)

If someone could confirm that would be fanatastic :)

Hey Memphus

at the START of turn 33:
Library = 19/90 (+5)
Growth = 8/28 (+3)
Sci = 59/71 (+12) *finishes on the IBT, starts Meditation 0/114

Hope that helps!
:salute:

Perfect Thank you!!

Wow 1.42 For a tech modifier from the base that is large.

Myst: 50 Base *1.42 = 71 :science:
Med: 80 Base *1.42 = 114 :science:

Assumign the same rate:

Priest: 60 Base *1.42 = 85 :science:
CoL :350 Base *1.42 = 497 :science:

That seems high for CoL (and our Oracle date is much sooner than we can research that) can someone confirm these beaker numbers?

Ok here is the breakdown to maximize growth production and commerce over the next 30~ turns...the only problem we are behind on being able to get CoL in time for Oracle Completion...Thoughts?

I apologize if I'm just horribly misreading/misunderstanding your table, but weren't we talking about getting a Scientific Great Person, and building an academy? Are we not doing that now to get the Oracle faster?
Obviously a Scientific Great Person would change the numbers significantly if we added an Academy to Epsilon Eridani.

We can convert 4:hammers: into 3:commerce: by taking a citizen off the hill and turning him into a scientist. From a short-term production standpoint this is inefficient, but losing the CoL slingshot is even more inefficient. Long-term the scientists give us an academy which is very much worth it.

We can chop forests to free up more hammers for conversion to beakers. The extreme sacrifice is to cancel the settler build.

We were discussing that but then the vote ended up with buildign library Settler Oracle as the 3 next big builds.

In the event that we forced 2 scientist we would have +6 GP points a turn. It would take 17 turns from the turn we complete the Library to receving a Great Scientist. Now, 17 turns from our Library completion Date is: 1640 B.C. So as you can see it is quite late, and in the meantime we lose out on those citizens when we need them most (building a settler) Let's say we were to force 2 scientists:

That would put our settler build time at approximately 20 turns instead of 8

I had figured the plan woudl be

build settler
build oracle
force 2 scientists since we would have a second city under way by then

Hope that clears it up :)

To Not clutter this thread anymore the Discussion shall be moved here: Discussion turns 21-40 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=171322&page=3)

We discover Mysticism.
Research begins on Meditation.
Shadow Tiger moves west.
Dark Puma skips turn (up to 76/100 HP).

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Peter Grimes completes a mine.
Citizen in Epsilon Eridani begins working the mine.
Shadow Tiger moves SW and sees a lion.
Dark Puma skips turn (up to 86/100 HP).

Interturn: The lion moves next to Shadow Tiger.

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Peter Grimes begins farming the rice.
Shadow Tiger moves NE.
Dark Puma skips turn (up to 96/100 HP).

Interturn: The lion moves SE.

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Shadow Tiger skips turn (fully healed!)
Dark Puma skips turn (fully healed!)

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Shadow Tiger moves SW and see the lion again.
Dark Puma moves W, NW.

Inter-turn: the lion moves to the tile S,SE of Shadow Tiger.

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Shadow Tiger moves south.
Dark Puma moves W,NW and finds Incense.

Inter-turn: Shadow Tiger is redlined, but he defeats the lion!

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Shadow Tiger promotes to Woodsman I and skips turn (up to 76/100 HP)
Dark Puma moves N,NW

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