The 30 Year's war scenario v1.0

A Scenario based on the European Empires mod by ArbitraryGuy.

The year is 1618 and the Protestants of Germany have just rebelled against their Habsburgian rulers in Bohemia. Denmark and Sweden are coming to their aid, backed by England. The Spanish part of the Habsburgian Empire is struggling with Dutch and Portuguese separatists. France sees this as an opportunity to weaken the Habsburgians and goes to war. In the east, the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, Russia and Sweden are all fighting for control of the Baltic. And none of them can overlook the Ottoman Empire in the South-East.

The game begins in 1618 and goes on until 1658, with 4 turns a year. Conquering the whole of Europe in this time is basically impossible, so getting the highest score before time runs out is (probably) the only way to win.

There are 18 playable civilizations, with various levels of difficulty. The Ottoman Empire, Spain, France, the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, Russia, England and Sweden are all quite strong. But playing the Ottomans is not recommended as they start out as the biggest civilization and have great expansion possibilities, and therefore will be quite easy. For those who like more of a challenge Denmark, Prussia, Papal States, Venice, the Habsburgian Empire and Protestant Germany would be good choices. And for the experts it could be good fun trying to play as the Portuguese, Dutch, Scots, Swiss, Wallachians (although it might prove to be quite hard to win).

It should be fairly historically correct, but of course, happenings during the 30 Year’s War are all moved to the beginning of the game. And also the Ottoman Empire has been slightly reduced, simply due to the size of the empire.

I have also added some new technologies and units to this scenario.

This is a real war scenario, as most of the civillizations are at constant war with one or more other civilizations.



This Scenario is based on
Europa Europa 3: The European Empires Mod
By: ArbitraryGuy
Original Map: Arne
Also some elements of id52’s 1380 scenario
Thank you and everyone else for wonderful Europe scenarios. Hopefully you will enjoy this one as well


TO INSTALL:
You need the EE3 Mod (it can be found here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=144971
Make a copy of the EE3 folder and name it 30 years war. Then replace the files in your new folder with the ones in this file: 30 years war scenario (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/30_years_war.zip)




If you have any comments at all, please post them. This is my first scenario for Civ4, and would like to hear what I can do to improve the scenario even further.

Ok, minor change then to the download file... I have corrected the error of the misspelled mod path inthe readme file and I have moved the holy city from Ankara to Constantinopel for the Ottomans to prevent them from losing their holy city to barbarians. I've seen this happen a couple of times now and when that has happend the ottomans have quickly converted to catholism. does anyoneknow if there is a way to deny religious convertions in this game? Since the 30 years war was basically a religious war I am trying to make the various countries stick to their original religions, which is why the holy cities are somewhat inaccurate placed, at least according to history.

Could you tone down the barbarians a bit? They're a bit overpowering, at least in Africa and Anatolia (Turkey.) I lost several cities as the Ottomans, despite my best efforts. I know the Ottomans had to deal with the Saffavids in real history but the sheer numbers of the barbarians really dampens the long term potential of that civ.

That is one of thethings I've been working to avoid, so hopefully in the next version something else could be done to make theottomans less powerful. Right now a barbarian threath in Turkey was the only way to contain them a bit. I tested a couple of times with none or less barbarians, and the result was always that the Ottomans either won or came real close to winning the game. Most of their cities have very few bulidings, andthey are behing technologically, but they still seem to do well, simply due to their size.
But if anyone have any good ideas, please....

But then again, the Ottoman Empire is probably not the most fun to play here anyway and I recomend trying one of the other civilizations instead... Just now trying out playing Sweden and it seems I'm at war with everyone, but Im still doing quite allright.

But thank you very much for playing my scenario... Hopefully you will have some fun, with or without barbarbarians

I download it, and will give it a try. I like the idea so far, but I didn't play it for now. One question: You wrote:
Make a copy of the EE3 folder and name it 30 year’s war. Are you sure it has to be "30 year’s war" not "30 years war"?

You are right... that should be "30 years war". I have edited that in the original post as well now, hopefully this hasn't caused too much problems. I hope you enjoy playing... After all, you can take a lot of credit for this, considering whose map it is...

This idea is super, andeloke!!! I downloading right now and hope to find the scenario being just as good as it looks.:goodjob:

Just now trying out playing Sweden and it seems I'm at war with everyone, but Im still doing quite allright.

Sounds exactly like Swedish history for 150-200 years about that time.:lol: (or should I perhaps use this smilie :sad: ?)

The Norsemen have returned to pillage and destroy. We will take your women and drink all your beer...

...and if your women don't want to be taken, we'll settle for the beer.:beer:

hopefully this hasn't caused too much problems.Not to me, but may be to other players? Probably you should change the readme.txt too. ;)

After all, you can take a lot of credit for this, considering whose map it is...Well, I'm pretty happy, that these map still is that much used.

gonna try this when I get home :)

When I get some more feedback I might try to improve the scenario even further. As said above I have already moved Islam’s holy city to Constantinople, but I’m sure there are other things I could do as well. My major pain is the Ottomans. At this time in history they were very big. I have reduced their number of cities and made most of their cities with very few improvements. And they have a lot of barbarians to deal with. But the result is that they still do quite good, although they are way beyond the rest technologically and have fewer troops. But they make up for it with their size. Any suggestions on how to improve them?

I would also like to add some unique units. But since I’ve basically used all the graphics for the units through the new units everyone can build in this scenario I have not made that the highest priority. Any suggestions on unique units though?

I also tried to make Spain and the Habsburgians more connected, but for some reason it did not work forcing them into a defensive pact or alliance. If played as a team they are way too strong.

And as earlier mentioned, if anyone know how to prevent religious convertions, please tell me.

Finally I would like to delete all the technologies not needed. But whatever I tried, something always went wrong. So at the moment they are still there, although I have moved them and they should be impossible to research, as I have added a couple of future techs.

Any more suggestions? I would love to hear what you think, both positive and negative.

Any more suggestions? I would love to hear what you think, both positive and negative.One little thing: IMHO "Prussia" should be renamed to "Brandenburg" for this scenario. (You simply could change the colour of the eagle to red instad of black an make Berlin the capital). This sould be, since untill 1618 Prussia was a polish Vasall, wich was inherited in 1618 by Johann Sigismund, Duke (Herzog) of Brandenburg. AFAIK, this vasall status was officially lingered until the treaty of Wehlau 1656.

I didn't play more than 5 turns for now so I can't tell you something more concrete.

Fairly closely finished a Sweden game (16 turns left), the growing unrest of my populace is growing to be a bit bothersome at this point, plus I am pretty much in the lead at this point.

What happened during my game: I used the army in Protestant Germany to effectively stop the Habsburgs right at the beginning. I gathered together a group of catapults and knights to systematically siege the barbarian cities of the Baltic and Russian west. My eastern border with Russia was anchored by Tver. Moving south with that same army, I started plugging away Polish-Lithuania cities until a sneaky Prussia launched a surprise attack taking away one of my recent prizes from Poland. Naturally, Prussia paid by losing their capital as I continued my way to gut Poland of their starting lands.

For the most part, all the borders remained intact, Spain won a couple cities from Portugal and France, also lost a few too, especially in north Italy. The victors over the Mongols were quite surprising, had a number of cities being taken by Poland and Prussia (Prussian armies even took over Ankara!). Russia is putting up a serious fight to try and dislodge Sweden from Tver, but superior technology is holding them off.

My thoughts on the scenario:
-I don't know if it is possible, but lock the state religions. I had a very embarrasing moment where Denmark converted to Catholicism so I had to bribe them back to ensuremy borders were secure. Other religious changes of note: Ottoman Empire abandons Islam to become Catholic then Orthodox, Prussia going Catholic.
-Pre-place some of the monopolies, Spain and Portugal should already have many of the New World wonders completed or at least significant progress made towards them (I am reminded of the Age of Discovery scenario from Civ2 where Spain started the game with Magellan's Expedition halfway completed). In my game, the Papal States, with no hostile neighbors, picked up 5 of the monopolies in Rome. I don't think any other nation even worked on any of the monopolies.
-I enjoyed the pre-set diplomacy settings where I could rely upon some nations for favorable tech trades and others to be just out for my blood. The one exception in my game being Prussia with Sweden, they always seemed to be despise me even though Sweden and Prussia were Protestant states at the beginning of the war. I may not know my history well enough, but I felt that they should be steady allies just like Protestant Germany.
-Military Technology, especially Military Tradition, granting the ability to build Cavalry is overpowering. For the most part, I had to focus my catapults and 5-7 musketmen/knights on one city siege at a time. Once I had sufficient numbers of Cavalry, I didn't even bother with sieges anymore since there isn't a good defense against them until Grenadiers, and a reliable defense with Riflemen.
-I like how the game begins with most of the nations starting off with large invasion/defensive stacks, it gets the ball rolling immediately, and, like the historical war, begins a campaign of strategy as to where to deploy limited resources when there is always a potential enemy at one corner of your country
-I had a fun time, I look forward to playing some of the weaker powers to balance my Swedish meteoric rise to power experience.

It’s nice to hear that you had a good time playing CivPlayer.
When I played as Sweden I had somewhat the same progress as you had, although I managed to stay away from war with the Prussians. (Although I was considering attacking them myself. Their open border with the habsburgians was really annoying. Habsburgian knights showing up around Riga all the time… And as in your game, Tver became the battleground. I did however managed to capture some of western Poland and Danzig early in the game, but lost most of the cities, as Prussia’s cultural borders expanded, and I lost access to those cities from mainland Sweden.

But to answer to you replies:
I would love to be able to lock religions. So if anyone know how, please tell me.

Pre placement of the monopolies is a good idea. I might look more into that. Giving a couple to Portugal might make them a bit stronger. I have also experience that the Papal States are able to build quite a few, but then again they usually end up fighting someone as well, usually a long distance war against some non-catholic nation or Venice.

Prussia is actually supposed to be equally hostile towards both Poland and Sweden. But I might tone that down a bit. Maybe someone could help me out on the history part here. I’ve been told many different things by now. Some think they should be most friendly towards Sweden, some towards Poland. And then again, as Arne said in the post above, they didn’t really exist, but should be Brandenburg instead… Any suggestions?

When it comes to the cavalry I have considered changing it up a bit, maybe ensure that the AI researches riflemen (or at least Genadiers) before cavalry or make cavalry less powerful. Again, I’m open to suggestions.

Thank you for your comments CivPlayer. And good luck playing again.

Some think they should be most friendly towards Sweden, some towards Poland. And then again, as Arne said in the post above, they didn’t really exist, but should be Brandenburg instead… Any suggestions? Hard to say... Like written above, the Duchy of Prussia was inherited by the Duke of Brandenburg in 1618, but Prussia still was a Polish vasall. During 30-Y-W's Brandenburg was an Swedish ally. Later on, during Swedish-Polish War (1655-60) Brandenburg changed the sides and became a Polish ally. Finaly the claim of Brandenburgain rule over the Duchy of Prussia was recognised in 1656 by Sweden and in 1657 by Poland. So, take you choise... ;)

Good scenario, probably the best i've played for civ 4. I'm playing as the austrians and having great fun

The most minor nitpick in the world, but dynastic family names are also used as adjectives. That is, you should say that people are revolting against their Habsburg (or Valois, Stuart, etc.) masters, not their Habsburgian ones.

i havent played this scenario yet but it sounds good. one question, do you ahve barbarians in ireland. there was a rebellion in ireland in 1641

I also tried a game as Sweden.

The Prussians were a bit anoying with cultural take overs of newly captured Polish cities. I managed to capture central Poland though lossing the coastal access to Prussia culture was a pain. In my simultanious campaign in the East I was able to easily hold Russia at bay, while Liberating the Baltic states after dealing with the Barbarians.

I am not sure whether to finish off Poland or deal with the Prussian cultural menace with grenadiers rather than cathedrals. History would suggest that this is the point where Sweden over extended its self and lost it's Baltic Empire.

Enjoyable senario well worth improving on with more suitable units as they become available and tweeked tech tree. I will certainly be playing it again to discover some of the asapects of it I ignored in my bid to become Dictator of Mittle Europa.

Great work! Of course I played as the PLC, pretty fun, those dukal Prussians are harder than you think. Sweden and Russia hardly attack, just the Swedish units at the beginning possibly can cause any damage. But everyone asks me to declare war on the Hasburgians. Should I go for it because the whole world is at war with them or support my Catholic beneficiary? And a question: If you research I think it's called New World Conquest or the other one, does it all of a sudden expose a map of the world? I am looking for a major modification of the whole world, set in any time period. 1775 is ok, it just hardly has any cities. But anyway, I could try Spain or France to test it, but I will not leave my Poland-Lithuania!

Yeah, I enjoyed this before. (Not another shameless bump). But is this compatable with the latest version of EE3? And also is there a vanilla compatible version? Much thanks!


*edit*

How would you mod the game beyond 40 years?

TO INSTALL:
You need the EE3 Mod (it can be found here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=144971
Make a copy of the EE3 folder and name it 30 years war. Then replace the files in your new folder with the ones in this file: 30 years war scenario (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/30_years_war.zip)


I'm sorry, and I feel like an idiot, but I just don't understand what you mean by this. If I'm going to write over all the EE3 files, what is the point of using EE3 in the first place? Everyone else seems to get it, my mind just doesn't seem to be working properly at the moment, so could someone simplify this for me please? I would really like to try this scenario. Thanks.

Zygmunt: The scenario should be working with EE3.1, (i.e the latest version). But I am afraid there is only one version of this scenario, so about vanilla compatibility I am a bit unsure.
And if you want to play beyond 40 uears you can open the worldbuilderfile (Mods/30 years war/public maps/30 years war) in notepad or wordpad and change the number of turns there. Just rightclick on the file and select "open with" and then notepad/wordpad or another similar text program. On top of the document you´ll find the basic game settings, and you can change the number of turns you want to play

Jeff: You have understood it correctly. You should make a copy of your EE3 folder and then unzip the 30 years war files into it. The thing here is that it saves a lot of uploading and downloading, as not all the files will be replaced. There are only a few of the files from the original EE3 game which will be modified. So you will not write over all the EE3 files, that´s the point of using EE3...

Oh, thank you. I understand now, I was saving the zip file into the copy of EE3 and extracting, so the files weren't replacing themselves. Thank you for the clarification.

SO where is the Kingdom Of Morroco

I guess I could have included marocco, but as you se, there are already quite a few civs to choose from. There are quite a few others as well which I have been forced to merge with other countries. And as this is the 30 years war in Europe, I felt that I had to include the major european civs first. Alas marocco was no longer the strong nation it used to be when then the 30 years war came along. Which is why there are only a few cities in Nothern africa, and they are devided between spain, portugal and the ottomans. Spian did controll melilla at the time, and portugal controlled Ceuta. Which is why marocco is not a part of this scenario...

I like this scenario-thingie, I can clarify that from the beginning.
I do however have a few things to nag about;
Why are the buttons all blurry? Is it just for me maybe? It's extremly annoying and looks bad, even if you get used to it.
The brits are really not parting in the war. I play as Sweden and have taken the parts of Poland and Russia that were worth caring about. When I went to mess with the habsburgians, I was thankful for the second front that mostly the german city states but sometimes also France provided. The brittish don't do anything. They may be sending troops to Spain but what good do they do there. The war was fought in central Europe, and the brittish should help there instead.
The AI is acting strangely towards the civic "anti-clericalism". I can imagine this is a problem for the EE3-mod, but I like this stuff better. =) I manage to persuade the wallachians to convert to protestantism, yet they think having a civic that gives them lots of angry citizens due to this is wise. Same thing for Charles I and Prussia.
And, ah, the barbarians. It's funny. You placed a barbarian city on the southern needle-edge of Greece, yes? On my save, Prussia controls it. PRUSSIA. They must have taken an army past the whole Gibraltar-thing and went to Greece to capture a little city.
When a mortally stabbed Russia, the SWISS and Wallachians came out and took those small barbarian cities on the northern coast of the Black Sea. The Swiss! I think this is due to the "no-city-raze" rule. That large chunk of land north of the black sea could perhaps, if slightly fertalized, make a fine place for a civ? The scythians? They might have dissapeared by this time, but anything is better than having the swiss placing a colony next to the ottomans...

Very enjoyable scenario OVERALL though, it is nice that you have named all the cities their indengenous names, Wien instead of Vienna, Goteburg (should be Göteborg ;)) instead of Gothenburg.

Yeah, this thing is nice with all the settlements. Maybe you should consider making a 1618 world scenario. Just a thought.

I tried downloading this scenario but am having dificulties installing it. Can someone post an idiots guide to installing it.

A very enjoyable Mod. Have you ever thought about creating an alternate scenario based on Eric Flint's Ring of Fire (1632) anthology. It would be an interesting game to throw an American Empire (United States of Europe) into this great scenario. You make them small, but advanced. Supports all religgions and representation. Surrounded by enemies, allied with Gustav II Adolf. Rifles vs. muskets, US cavalry vs. knights, 1 iron clad vs. flet of galleons, throw in a couple of biplanes. Now that's a war!

does it have events?

Cool, thanks, I will try this out.

I tried downloading this scenario but am having dificulties installing it. Can someone post an idiots guide to installing it.

I am having the same problem? Anyone care to help us out?
And, is this for the Vanilla Civ? Warlords? BTS?

TO INSTALL:
You need the EE3 Mod (it can be found here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=144971
Make a copy of the EE3 folder and name it 30 years war. Then replace the files in your new folder with the ones in this file: 30 years war scenario (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/30_years_war.zip)


AFAIK, EE3 hasn't been updated to 3.19 yet. Some more details might be in order, I agree.

I think this is just for regular Civ IV. This scenario is at least 2 and a half years old.

yes it is for regular civ IV. and if u got problems to install it keep in mind that u should copy the map from the 30 years war folder to the public map folder. then it should work.
in general it is a very nice scenario. i played with switzerland and i won :-D but on an easy dificult level.
and i have to mention a historical fault! calvinism was founded in geneva (switzerland) and not london, as it is the "holy city" in the scenario. so the holy city should be geneva. and besides the capitol from switzerland is not zurich, it s bern ;-)

hi

any updates?

hi

any screen caps?