Should I make a scenerio on the Hundred Years War? I have already downloaded the Europe Map by civvin, and created the Kingdom of France, and placed cities, and created the Kingdom of Spain, and placed cities (most of em') If I am going to make this, I need to know more about the war, if I could get some info, and I will be willing to take help. I have ALOT to do, as I just started today.

BTW my Civil War in Japan is still under creation, and still working;)

Oh, and if you vote, please state why you voted what you did. :)

I think you should make it if it will be low-end-computer-owner-friendly :)

Low-end-computer-owner-friendly!? :rolleyes:


:D

Yah, no bigger than a standard map, go easy with sea trade, and so on :)

I might start over, because I have a huge map. I'll check out some other maps. Not liek I had anything done anyway. :rolleyes:

Aww man, a huge map would take forever! I can live with standard, tho :)

I got an 80x80 Europe map by mallan (I think) Had to dig though. 80x80 sounds good?

Hehe. Make my job easier.

Sounds perfect! :)

Thought so. I will begin construction on the scenerio first thing tomorow. Expect the release date around early early July, or late late June.

The votes are just for motivation.

Love the Idea! BTW, did you see Age of Empires 2? They have a Hundred Years War campaign. In that case, I wanna give civs. Burgandy, England, and France. (No duh)

Yeah I like that capaign all right. But that's not where I got the idea. I have all of Europe, civ list:

1.England
2.The Kingdom of France
3.Burgandy
4.Holy Roman Empire
5.Castile (Spain)
6.Portugal
7.Poland/Hungary
8.Lithuania
9.Denmark
10.Sweden
11.Norway
12.The Ottoman Empire
13.Aragoh
14.Ireland
15.Scotland
16.Naples
17.Turkic States
18.Khamate of the Golden Horde
19.Vassal States of the Golden Horde
20.Tutonic Order
21.Bulgan States
22.The Empire of Trebizond
23.Venice
24.Sicily/Sardina
25.Knights of St. John
26.Jalayrids
27.Mameluke Empire
28.North Africa
29.Georgia
30.Granada
31.(If someone can add one)

This might be incorrect. They are coming half from map half from memory, so I can't be sure.

I've always been intrigued by the history of the 100 years war. Therefore: Yes, make it! (please)

Re: Civ list. Don't include all of Europe and the rest of the mediterranean world. IMO, your scen should focus on the conflict and the combattants at hand. Such are: Royal France, England, Flanders, Burgundy, The Pope in Avignon. Maybe also include Languedoc as a separate civ and possibly Aquitaine.. but I would have to research that.

The 100 Years War would become marginal, if whole of europe would be included. Most of the scen would have nothing to do with it. Wouldn't that be wasting of capacity for detail?

Yea, it would become a Medieval Europe scenario if you include that much of europe.

But if you are going to include all of europe you should include the "Romanian states" too. :D Named so because they were not united at the time.

The 100 Years War would become marginal, if whole of europe would be included. Most of the scen would have nothing to do with it. Wouldn't that be wasting of capacity for detail?
Actually, this scenerio is about trying to change the course of history. I thought about putting in those others just to lure them into the war as bait, just for fun. See which can be destroyed and stuff. If you want me to change it and make it Europe, tell me and I'll see what I can do. I've placed cities for some obvious nations: France, England and Castile (Spain):cool:

thegreats - tell me that was a joke, right?:(

What if we wan`t you to change it and make it the 100 years war scen instead of the hippotetical 100 years war scen? :)

C`mon, just the main actors, you can use (or make, or request) a zoomed map of that region :)

BTW, guys, is that Just the Medieval mod or whats-its-name any good? Actually, I wanna know if its as good as Warhammer, TBX or Rhye`s?

Well if I can find a map of Western Europe.

Or someone could make one if there isn`t (80x80 of course! :D)

Heh heh heh... yeah wahtever.

Aherm...

A few things, Eastern Europe was only known as the Slavic Tribes, except for Poland. I don't think the Holy Roman Empire was there at the time. England includes Scotland and Ireland. The Mongols went back 200 years! Also, the others are neutral.

Apart from the tiny detail that the Ottoman Empire didn't exist yet ;), I don't see a reason to include them. Make it centered on France if you gonna make it. :)

Of course France. ;)

I don't think the Holy Roman Empire was there at the time.

Of course, it was: "Heiliges Römisches Reich (= holy roman empire)" existed under this name from Otto I. in 962 AD to 1806 AD when Napoleon made the german-roman Emperor to resign.

Um, the 1337 - 1453 war?

Yes, the Ottomans were there. Eastern Europe was mostly under Turkish or Hungarain rule or vassalage. Or am I wrong?

Holy Roman Empire was definately there, stretching from the Mediterranean to the Baltic sea.

How could Holy Roman Empire NOT be there?? :wow:

If I can find a zoomed map of Eastern Europe I will restart.

But you need a zoomed map of Western Europe...

Acually, Eastern Europe events werent reall important.

Not important to who? Who do you think kept the Turks from expanding even more?

A few things, Eastern Europe was only known as the Slavic Tribes, except for Poland.
*cough**cough* Could you repeat that ?
Acually, Eastern Europe events werent reall important.
:rolleyes: I'll try to ignore that post. :rolleyes:

Not important to who? Who do you think kept the Turks from expanding even more?
Not important to the kings of England and France, who supposedly are the reason for this scenario. :)

Wow. How could someone possibly leave out Eastern Europe? :crazyeye:

Well, the Slavs held as a border against the Ottomans (Turks) but really, the Ottomans didnt feel like expandin. (Afte all, they were having affairs in Arabia)

Well, the Slavs held as a border against the Ottomans (Turks)...
I reckon you have a bad history teacher :rolleyes: ... not ALL of eastern/south-eastern Europe was slavic you know.

Can we give this "Eastern Europe"-discussion a rest and concentrate on the scenario-matters?

That is what I say:
Main protagonists are the french and the british. Theatre is France. So, anyway what could have happened and what happened in other parts of europe, those are of main interest for a 100 years war scen, so there shouldnt be to much around if you dont want to lose focus. What could be the sense to e.g. play the ottomans pushing north for vienna in a 100 years war scenario?

And I dont want to hear something about they didnt even take constantinople yet ;)

You have to make a choice. Do you want to make a scenario about the 100 years' war OR about Europe at the time of the 100 years' war.

The first is definitely more focused but requires more precision and information.

IMHO scenarios should be focusing on ONE issue only but apparently my scenarios get less interest than the generic ones so you can definitely choose the more "open" version. But then change the name accordingly. I have nothing against Eastern Europe at that time but if I play a scenario about the 100 years' war then I don't want them around or on the map because they are out f scope.

Three cheers for LouLong! :D

@Carmen - They didn`t feel like expanding? When, in the name of Gork & Mork, did an Emperor say: "Oh, thats enough land we have, so what`s on TV tonight?".

Battle on river Marica, Kosovo, Nikopolje, Varna, 2nd battle of Kosovo, those battles were just for kicks then, eh?

I don`t claim to know much about history, but please, refrain yourself from saying things you know very little or nothing about. I have nothing against going OT or a little spam, as long as its amusing, but if you wan`t to discuss the subject with others, you need to know some facts.

Stormrage - :lol:

Here's a map that may be helpful -

Map : not bad. But Novgorod is out of place. (more to the SW) and Lithuania usually does not go that far south (at least under real control).

Here's a map that may be helpful -
That's what I got my civs from, too. I used that amp already for some stuff. Thanks, though. :)

Could anyone find me a amp (Civ map) of the area I need. 80x80 through 100x100.

If you could make one, that would rock.:D

What about the Middle Ages Conquest map?

I'm clearing the map now, making it clean. I'll post it once I'm done.

I added the clean map. I'm going to start work on the civilizations, you can use it if you want, right now it's for my own pleasure.

In case you couldn't tell, I am interested in joining this project.

I think this map is too big.

I am going to try and create one from scratch, wish me luck.

That's what I got my civs from, too. I used that amp already for some stuff. Thanks, though. :)

Could anyone find me a amp (Civ map) of the area I need. 80x80 through 100x100.

If you could make one, that would rock.:D

Sorry CD, I'm not a map maker. I wish I was though.

Also, Conquer_Dude, look at Marla Singer's New Vision on Europe Map, (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69013) it's 116 x 94, which isn't that big, but big enough to include everything. The only problem you might have with it is that North Africa and Arabia are non-existant on the map.

Also, take a look at el mencey's Europe Map (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85554) which is 64 x 88. Personelly, I think this map is too small.

Also, Conquer_Dude, look at Marla Singer's New Vision on Europe Map, (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69013) it's 116 x 94, which isn't that big, but big enough to include everything. The only problem you might have with it is that North Africa and Arabia are non-existent on the map.

Marla's map was only made for PTW.

No, it wasn't, if you download the zip file at the bottom, there's a PTW version and a C3C version.

So what is this going to be then? Europe in the middle ages or the 100 years war?

I thought it was Europe in the 100 Years War looking at that civ list.

So its Europe in the middle ages.

I'm not entirely sure, if Conquer_dude was ever on, he could tell us.

Could anyone find me a map (Civ map) of the area I need?
But which area do you need? France, England and adjacent areas or all of Europe. Your public is hanging on your answer. :crazyeye:

It's only England and Royal France. Throw in Burgundy and Flanders for good measure.

Alas, the scenario/map should be confined to the areas of modern France and Belgium and Southern England (Sussex and Kent).

It's only England and Royal France. Throw in Burgundy and Flanders for good measure. Alas, the scenario/map should be confined to the areas of modern France and Belgium and Southern England (Sussex and Kent).

That's your vote and probably the choice of most of the people interested in this project (Stormy? AlC?) as well but it's not necessarily CD's choice. He started out going for all of Europe and I don't think anyone's convinced him yet to go for the narrower focus.

I actually say we go for the Europe, itd be interesting to play as one of the "outside civilizations."

I actually say that then someone should make a real 100 years war scenario ;)

You' talkining 'bout me? :D

I still think that I could use the map acosta made (thanks) and just use crappy civs back there to just lur them into the war. It CAN change the course of history, you know, that is excactly what Civ was made for.

You guys argue it out. I'll take votes without using a poll.

My way: (My way sucks don't it? :p)


Eastern Europe:
AlCosta15
7Ronin

Stormrage's "real" 100 Years War


Other:

Vote for one and I'll see. Remember, I'm making the scenerio for you guys, so it's up to you guys to decide. ;)

I'll go for the Europe.

I am making one "real" one using my map of France. Of course it is only one of many projects so don't bet on it, at least soon.

I think I'll vote with Al Costa for Europe and wait and see what LouLong will come up with as far as the "real" one goes. Of course Lou is French and they may have a built in victory.:mischief:

You really ought to pick the option that you like. The three of us are hardly a representative sample of the other 85,000 civfanatic members. Well, Stormy maybe. :mischief:

And don't forget that you have your other scenario percolating along as well. :crazyeye:

You really ought to pick the option that you like. The three of us are hardly a representative sample of the other 85,000 civfanatic members. Well, Stormy maybe. :mischief:

Care to explain that, it confuses me? :)

Care to explain that, it confuses me? :)

You know everyone; you're plugged in and your opinion counts; and you get around. Noobies like me hardly reach your shoe tops. :worship:

Oh, well, thats very nice of you, thanks :blush::)

But I`m not sure why would my opinion count over yours if its good? :)

And don't forget that you have your other scenario percolating along as well. :crazyeye:
Well are you trying to say something negative about it?

Well are you trying to say something negative about it?

No, I'm not. You have some excellent ideas. I just don't want to see you wind up like some people who start many things and then never finish.

I just don't want to see you wind up like some people who start many things and then never finish.

Oi! It takes time! :mad: ;)

Uhhhh.... You changed ure avatar pic again Conquer Dude? Awww well, how goes the scenario?

7ronin - Well I am some of the people who have a regular life. I will finish it though.:)

Stormtrage - I second that. :D

carmen510 - I got bored of my GNR one. Vader and his troopers made me change it.
I am still fishing for maps, haven't gotten far. :rolleyes:



After doing some reaserch in Winston Churchill's Birth of Britain, A history of the English Speaking Peoples Vol. 1, I realized that Marla's map would definantly be the best. Civs shoudl be like:

England
France
Ireland (Not that important though)
Scotland
Spain
The Netherlands
Holy Roman Empire
Burgundy

There could be more if I could get suggestions. I AM downloading that map now, though. That's what I'll use. Hope that's not to big for you stormy. ;)

EDIT: Marla's map is what I am to use.

Ummm...... Burgendy? (It was also against France and an important civ during the Middle Ages)

Well, how big is it? Can you give me a link to it, please? :)

Carmen : Never heard of Burgendy. :rolleyes: Burgundy is already up there.

Stormy: It's 116x94

Dammit! Thats 10 tiles to much! Aaarhg! :mad: :p

Yah, sounds good :)

You should have said 1 Tile too much. ;)

It already has some civs I don't need, such as Egypt and stuff, so I am going to clear through that list.

Oh wait.. I forgot, this is not about the 100 years war, I`m not gonna play it ;)

Hundred Years War, mind you, is basically England, France and Burgundy, some Scotland, and the Netherlands. So what should I do with rest of Europe? If I could find a damn map with just the area I need would be great. Me, being the crappiest map maker on Earth, am looking up to people for maps. :) Why don't you make a map of the specific are you want and show it to me? :rolleyes:

Nice try ;) Why don`t you reqest it? Make a big, fat request thread, so that everyone sees it, maybe someone will make it. If you are using the whole europe and northern africa map, why don`t you do a re-make of the Firaxis Middle ages scenario?

Hmmm... :hmm: That just gave me an idea. I don't know much about the map tweaker... but could I possibly use that to just add Eastern Europe, the way you want it, Storm?

First, it seems you mix-up the East and the West. The 100 years war was in WESTERN Europe, and Eastern Europe had nothing to do with it.. Second, I still haven`t seen the map you are talking about so I have no idea what I want :)

Oh jeez yeah I do have a mixup. :hammer2: Western Europe. (What the hell made me say Eastern!?) :lol: You mean you want to see Marla's map?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4131114&postcount=43

Well...Marla`s map looks great for an European Middle ages scenario, except that you cannot launch crusades against the "infidels" :( Or Jihhads, what the heck :)

I`m still not sure what do you want to make? I see some civs in your list that weren`t involved in the 100Y war, so I`m guessing its a "what if" scen that you are going after all..

I`m not sure the 2 of us are on the same page here. I`d like to play a "pure" 100 YW scen, or/and a medieval scenario like the Firaxis` one, only better :)
I don`t have time to play things that I`m not super interested in! I wish I had, but I don`t :( I miss the good old "unemployed" days... :(

Well, what are YOU looking for. What civs would YOU like to see in there? I need your opinion. :)

Call in sick on your job tommorow. :mischief:

I can`t, the boss is all :whipped: and :evil:

I think you should make what you want and are interested in, and I`ll wait for LouLong to finish his "real" 100 YW scen, and everyone is happy :)

Yeah yeah sure whatever. :rolleyes:

I'll just let LouLong do the scenerio instead of me. *sniff sniff*

Why don't you look for a map that's close to what you want and then use the editor to chop it down?

Yeah that's what I was talking about with the map tweaker. Would it be easier with that?

I tried fooling around with it. I think it requires some practice otherwise you get some odd looking results.

Anyway, here is a link to a map that is about as close as you are going to get "off the shelf."

I don't see a link. :confused:

Oops. :blush:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=94457

Thanks! That's what I want! I think Stormrage would appreciate that map, too. :D

Great! Making progress. Change your sig to .03% done. :mischief: The map is a modification by the great Loulong to a map originally made by the also great ElMencey. Have you thought about any special resources?

No not really.

You'll need to try to find triggers and units too. While we search for a map, you can do units, or at least brainstorm for some.

Well I can't make units. I hae to find some.

And I think I already found the map.