First, the list for Buildings:


Academy:

+4 Culture
+50% Research
Great Scientist action


Alchemist Laboratory:

cost 150
Tech Alchemy
requires Library
+25% Research
can turn 1 Citizen into Scientist


Aqueduct:

cost 100
Tech Mathematics, Masonry
+2 Health
required to build "The Floating Gardens of Lost Xholankha"


Bank:

cost 200
Tech Banking
+50% commerce
required to build "Wallstreet"


Barracks:

cost 60
new Land Units + 4 Exp.
can turn 2 citizens into Soldiers
required to build "Heroic Epic", "Military Academy"


Blood Bowl Stadium:

cost 120
Tech Construction
+1 Happiness
+1 Happiness per 20% Culture Rate


Castle:

cost 100
Tech Engineering
requires Walls
+1 Culture
50% Defense Bonus (except vs. Gunpowder-based Units)
can turn 1 Citizen into Soldier
Double Production Speed with Stone


Courthouse:

cost 120
Tech Code of Laws
-50% Maintenance
required to build "DragonThrone"


Drydock:

cost 120
Tech Steel
+1 Unhealthiness
Water Units + 4 Exp.
builds Water Units 50% faster


Forge:

cost 120
Tech Metal Casting
+25% Production
+1 Unhealthiness
+1 Happiness from Gems, Gold, Silver
can turn 1 Citizen into Engineer
required to build "Magic Forge", "The Colossus", "Ironworks"


Granary:

cost 60
Tech Pottery
+1 Health from Corn, Rice, Wheat
stores 50% of Food after Citygrowth


Grocer:

cost 150
Tech Guilds, Currency
+25% Commerce
+1 Health from Banana, Spices, Sugar Grapes
can turn 2 Citizens into Merchant
required to build "Slaughterhouse"


Harbor:

cost 80
Tech Compass
+50% from Traderoutes
+1 Health from Clam, Crab, Fish


Hospital:

cost 200
Tech Alchemy
+3 Health
heals Units extra 10% Damage per Turn


Jail:

cost 120
Tech Constitution
-25% War Weariness


Library:

cost 90
Tech Writing
+2 Culture
+25% Research
can turn 2 Citizens into Scientist
required to build "Alchemist Laboratory", "University", "The Great Library", "National Epic"


Lighthouse:

cost 60
Tech Sailing
+1 Food from Water Tiles
required to build "The Great Lighthouse"


Magic Forge:

cost 120
Tech Magic Forging
requires Forge
+25% Production
+1 Unhealthiness
+1 Happiness from Gromril, Ithilmar
can turn 1 Citizen into Engineer


Market:

cost 150
Tech Currency
+25% Commerce
+1 Happiness from Fur, Ivory, Silk, Whale
can turn 2 Citizens into Merchant


Military Academy:

Great General Action
requires Barracks
New Units +3 Exp.
+25% Military Production


Observatory:

cost 150
Tech Astronomy
+25% Research
can turn 1 Citizen into Scientist


Siegeweapons Workshop:

cost 100
Tech Construction
New Siege Weapons +4 Exp.


Slaughterhouse:

cost 150
Tech Animal Husbandry
requires Grocer
+1 Health from Cow, Deer, Pig, Sheep


Tavern:

cost 100
Tech Brewing
+10% Commerce
+1 Happiness from Barley, Grapes
can turn 1 Citizen into Merchant


Theatre:

cost 50
Tech drama
+3 Culture
+1 Happiness from Dye
+1 Happiness per 10% Culture Rate
can turn 2 Citizens into Artists
required to build "Globe Theatre"


University:

cost 200
Tech Education
requires Library
+3 Culture
+25% Research
required to build "Oxford University"


Walls:

cost 50
Tech Masonry
50% Defense Bonus (except vs. Gunpowder-based Units)
double Production Speed with Stone
required to build "Castle"


Watchstone:

cost 30
Tech Mysticism
+1 Culture
required to buil "Isle of the Dead"



Religious Buildings:


Shrines:

cost 80
requires Religion in the City
+1 Culture
+1 Happiness
can turn 1 Citizen into Priest
required to build "Temples"
required to train various Religious Units


Temples:

cost 150
Tech Construction
requires Shrine
requires Religion in the City
+2 Culture
can turn 1 Citizen into Priest
required to train various Religious Units


Cathedrals:

cost 300
requires Religion in the City
requires total of 2 Temples of same Religion in Civ
+50% Culture
+2 Happiness if State Religion
+1 Happiness from Incense
can turn 2 Citizens into Priests
required to buil various Religious Units

The list for the Wonders (most of them still need a new name):


Bugmans Brewery:

cost 300
Tech Brewing
requires Barley
+4 Culture
+2 points for Great Merchant
provides 5 Resources Premium Beer (+1 Happiness)
Double Production Speed with Copper


Griffon Gate:

cost 500
Tech Code of Laws
+6 Culture
+2 points for Great Artist
25% Defense Bonus in all Cities
Double Production Speed with Marble


Hermitage:

cost 300
Tech Nationalism
+1 point for Great Artist
+100% Culture
Double Production Speed with Marble


Heroic Epic:

cost 200
Tech Literature
requires Barracks
requires a Unit of Lvl 4
+4 Culture
+1 point for Great General
+100% Military Unit Production
double Production Speed with Marble


The Great Forge:

cost 700
Tech Steel
+2 Unhealthiness
+1 point for Great Engineer
+50% Production with Coal
+50% Production with Iron
can turn 3 Citizens into Engineer


Isle of the Dead:

cost 120
Tech Elder Magic
+1 point for Great Scientist
can turn 3 Citizens into Scientists
Double Production Speed with Stone


Mark of the Old Ones:

cost 500
Tech Philosophy
+8 Culture
+2 points for Great Prophet
+1 Production from Priests in all Cities
can turn 3 Citizens into Priest
Double Production Speed with Stone


National Epic:

cost 250
Tech Literature
requires Library
+4 Culture
+1 pont for Great Artist
+100% Great People Points
Double Production speed with Marble


Shrine of the Holy Grail:

cost 650
Tech Music
+10 Culture
+2 points for Great Artist
+1 Happiness in all Cities on same Continent
Double Production Speed with Stone


The 8 Colleges of Magic:

cost 400
Tech Education
+4 Culture
+1 point for Great Scientist
+100% Research
can turn 3 Citizens into Scientists
Double Production Speed with Stone


Palace:

cost 160
requires at least 4 Cities
+2 Culture
+1 Happiness
Makes the City the Capital
Reduces Maintenance in nearby Cities


Standing Stones:

cost 120
Tech Default Tech
obsolete with Calendar
+8 Culture
+2 points for Great Prophet
Free Watchstone in every City
Centers World Map
Double Production Speed with Stone


The Black Pyramid:

cost 450
Tech Necromancy
+6 Culture
+2 points for Great Engineer
Double Production Speed with Stone


The Colossus:

cost 250
Tech Metal Casting
requires Forge
obsolete with Astronomy
+6 Culture
+2 points for Great Merchant
All Cities Water Tiles +1 Commerce
Double Production Speed with Copper


The Dragon Throne:

cost 200
requires at least 8 Cities
+4 Culture
+1 point for Great General
Reduces Maintenance in nearby Cities


The Floating Gardens of Lost Xholankha:

cost 300
Tech Mathematics
requires Aqueduct
+6 Culture
+2 points for Great Engineer
+1 Health in all Cities
+1 Population in all Cities
Double Production Speed with Stone


The Great Bastion:

cost 350
Tech Construction
+4 Culture
+2 points for Great Engineer
Free Walls in every City
Double Production Speed with Stone


The Black Library:

cost 350
Tech Literature
requires Library
+8 Culture
+2 points for Great Scientist
+2 Free Scientists
Double Production Speed with Marble


Glittering Tower Lighthouse:

cost 200
Tech Masonry
requires Lighthouse
obsolete with Corporation
+6 Culture
+2 points for Great Merchant
+2 Trade Routes in all Coastal Cities


The Hagia Sophia:

cost 550
Tech Engineering
obsolete with Steam Power
+8 Culture
+2 points for Great Engineer
Workers build Improvements 50% faster
Double Production Speed with Marble


The Grand Cathedral:

cost 400
Tech Polytheism
obsolete with Chemistry
+10 Culture
+2 points for Great Artist
+50% Great People Points in all Cities
Double Production Speed with Marble


The Shrine of Asuryan:

cost 150
Tech Polytheism
+8 Culture
+2 points for Great Prophet
1 Free Technology
Double Production Speed with Marble


Hall of Kings:

cost 600
Tech Elemental Magic
+10 Culture
+2 points for Great Artist
+2 Culture per Specialist in all Cities
Double Production Speed with Marble


The White Tower:

cost 550
Tech Winds of Magic
+8 Culture
+2 points for Great Prophet
+1 Gold from all State Religion Buildings
double Production Speed with Stone


Palace of the Wizard Caliph:

cost 700
Tech Nationalism
+10 Culture
+2 points for Great Artist
starts a Golden Age
double Production Speed with Marble


The Throne of Power:

cost 800
Tech Winds of Magic
+10 Culture
+2 points for Great General
reduces Maintenance in nearby Cities
double Production Speed with Marble


Tristans Theatre:

cost 300
Tech Drama
requires Theatre
requires a total of 4 Theatres in Civ
+6 Culture
+1 point for Great Artist
No Unhappy Citizens in City
can turn 3 Citizens into Artists


Great Bazaar:

cost 600
Tech Corporation
+1 point for Great Merchant
can turn 3 Citizens into Merchants
+100% Gold


Tilean War Academy:

cost 800
Tech Military Tradition
requires a Unit with Lvl 5
+1 point for Great General
New Units +4 Exp.
double Production Speed with Stone


Great Temple of Tlazcotl

cost 800
Tech: Civil Service
+2 points for Great Engineer
-33% Hurry Cost Reduction
double Production Speed with Stone


Bloodweiser Stadium

cost 1200
Tech: Currency
+6 Culture
+5 Gold
+1 point for Great Merchant
provides 3 Resources BloodBowl Tickets (+1 Happiness)
double Production Speed with Stone





Religious Wonders:



Artifacts:

Great Priest Action
requires Holy City
+4 Culture
+1 point for Great Prophet
+1 Gold per City with Religion
spreads Religion
can turn 3 Citizens into Priest
required to train various Religious Units

Here I´ll collect Ideas for renaming the existing Wonders (and buildings maybe also)


These have already been renamed and updated:

Spiral Minaret -> The White Tower
The Great Lighthouse -> Glittering Tower Lighthouse
Oxford University -> 8 Colleges of Magic
Angkor Wat -> Mark of the Old Ones
Globe Theatre -> Tristan's Theatre
Notre Dame -> Shrine of the Holy Grail
The Great Library -> The Black Library
Wall Street -> Great Bazaar
West Point -> The Tilean War Academy
Taj Mahal -> Palace of the Wizard Caliph
Stonehenge -> Standing Stones
The Sistine Chapel -> Hall of the Kings (now uses Parthenon art)
Ironworks -> The Great Forge
The Parthenon -> The Grand Cathedral (now uses Sistine Chapel art)


I still need names for the remaining three:

The Colossus
The Hagia Sophia
Hermitage

And here will be the place for Wonders and Buildings that perhaps will be added to the game.

If you want something to be added to the game please give a description of what it should do (have a look at the two first posts).

Here's the Griffongate

i was doing some reading of my wood elf book and came across these things that would make good wonders. (all found in Athel Loren)

~The tower of the Eternal Wood: (an ecentric spellweaver of the woodelves built it and seeld himself inside. it remains as a mistery.) probably good for science and magic??
~The Oak of Ages: (The giant tree that Ariel and Orion are reborn in ever spring) Extra science and Could make Spellweavers get the imortality promotion from FfH?
~Waterfall Palace: Special wood elf wonder, replaced forbidden palace?
~The Wildwood: builds a dryad every 10 turns?
~Tears of Isha: Units built in this city get the blessed promotion from FfH?
~The Tree of Woe: Makes Drycha (dryad Hero) avaliable. (when heros are implemented)
~The Wild Heath: gives +50% defence to the city, and increases magic use?
~The Vaults of Winter: Lost elven Artifacts (buildings like national wonders) become avaliable to be built in the city?
~The Crystal Mere: not too sure, its a major magic area in Athel loren...


Some other elven wonders i can think of are:
The Underways. free sewer in every city? +1 trade route?
Vauls anvil
the isle of the dead
Shrine of asuryan
Shrine of khaine
The white tower
Glittering ower lighthouse

And other wonder ideas:
The 8 colleges of magic
the 8 colleges of magic n Altdorf:
"There are eight colleges of magic, one for each of the ‘colours’ of the winds of magic: Amber (beasts), Amethyst (death), Bright (fire), Celestial (heavens), Gold (metal), Grey (shadow), Jade (life), and Light (light). The three most spectacular college buildings - the flame-topped towers of the Bright college, the lofty spires of the Celestial college and the mystic pyramid of the Light college – are magically concealed so that few residents of Altdorf are even aware of their presence. The Jade college, a thing formed from living trees, is hidden behind high stone walls. The Grey college is a run-down building located in the city’s poorest slums, and allegedly connects to many secret tunnels. The college of the Amethyst order overlooks the infamous haunted cemetery of Old Altdorf, the resting place of the plague victims, and few dare go near it. The Alchemists of the Gold college maintain a vast, smoke-billowing forge complex, and pollute the river Reik with their arcane chemicals. Only the Amber order has no college within the city, preferring instead the caves of the Amber Hills, away from the civilisation that is the antipathy of their magic."
The great bastion
the great maw
the moot

For Tombkings:

unique wonders:

Pyramid of Eternal Life:
(prereq: like vannila pyramid, buildable only in capital-requires palace):
normal pyramid art but we should find different effects, should be less strong maybe only the boni not the civics

Black Pyramid:
should also be made Tombkingspecific(requires tech necromancy and can only be build in the city where is the Pyramid of Eternal life)

For Tombkings:

unique wonders:

Pyramid of Eternal Life:
(prereq: like vannila pyramid, buildable only in capital-requires palace):
normal pyramid art but we should find different effects, should be less strong maybe only the boni not the civics

Black Pyramid:
should also be made Tombkingspecific(requires tech necromancy and can only be build in the city where is the Pyramid of Eternal life)

OK, but if we start doing unique wonders, at least halöve of the civs should have some, or those with unique ones lose the ability to build some others.

But the whole thing with unique wonders would eliminate the wonder race effect of the game (so maybe make for example the pyramids available to all undead civs?).

To take up some of the ideas P.L. posted:

the isle of the dead -> already in the game

shrine of asuryan -> already in the game

the white tower -> maybe a good name for the spiral minaret we have now?

Glittering ower lighthouse -> maybe name for the great lighthouse?

8 colleges of magic -> oxford university?

the great bastion -> already in the game


Don´t know anything about the other wonders (if they could be used to rename vanilla ones, or what effects they should have as completely new ones)

thx for the input P.L. i hate the wonders having the names of vanilla ones.


@Civmansam: as soon as you read this, please tell me if you´re going to do the xmls, now that the new SW is out (I think I´ll have a little Sci-Fi game tonight).

The civs will all get one or two unique wonders. They may race for the rest which should be plenty still. However that's planned for after the next patch. I want to wait for Warlords to give this idea a real go.

cool, i love unique wonders, two each is and awsome idea. i vote the Oak of ages for the wood elves and the Tower of the eternal wood OR the Wildwood.

Ankor Wat should be renamed The Mark of the Old Ones.

post #3 now contains a list for suggestions of renaming Wonders and Buildings.

Post #4 wil contain a list of what should be added to the game.

Sorry, one of my typo's appears to be a wonder, its Glittering Tower Lighthouse. I cant believe this, im going to have to tripple check everything to prevent all of my stupid errors:crazyeye:

NP, since every version will be checked before being given to the public.

The new Art for the Griffongate arrived:

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5017/griffongate1he.th.jpg (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=griffongate1he.jpg)

Good job, Duke!

Do you want me to do some civ specific buildings? It would be pretty easy with python I think. I wouldn't create a new tag, I'd just have a check to see if the what civ it is and then make a prereq for the building

would be a good thing, we´ll need this sooner or later, but not for the next release. Data should be ready on friday, and I don´t think we´ll get gfx for civspecific buildings. but If you mean only different gfx for each civ for the same building, there is, I think, already the ArtStyle tag in the L-systems.

In my opinion the Cauldron of blood is an must have building for the Dark Elves. I tried figuring to fit the cauldron in as a unit .. but it's better t make it a building.

It should give the surrounding tiles an extra strength bonus or something like that. You can compare the cauldron of Blood with the potion in the asterix and obelix comics :)

yes cauldron of blood... make it a national wonder for the darkelves which increases strength of units produced in the city...

yes cauldron of blood... make it a national wonder for the darkelves which increases strength of units produced in the city...

Same as Cauldron of Blood is the Screaming Bell for Skaven, Casket of Souls for Tomb Kings, Anvil of Doom for Dwarfs and maybe more ..

hmmm... the possibilities are endless...

I was actually think about this.why not make these imobile units?

the casket of souls: every time an enemy dies withing the LoS of the casket, there is a 25% chance that that soul can be used by the casket.
the casket's damage increses by one for every soul captured.
the casket can bombard any unit in LoS?

not sure about the others.

sorry, back on track now;)

so how about those wonders...

I watched the Warhammer map i got with a White Dwarf some time ago and found some names:

Things in Naggaroth:
- The Monoliths
- Hotek's Column
- Doom, Hex, Wrath and Witch Gate
- Altar of Ultimate Darkness
- Vaul's Anvil
- The Pits of Zardok

Ulthuan:
- Phoenix, Griffon, Unicorn, Eagle and Dragon Gate
- Vaul's Anvil
- Shrine of Asuryan
- Tower of Hoeth

Araby:
- Palace of the Wizard Caliph
- Spite Port
- Pools of Despair

Lustria:
- Stellar Pyramids
- Citadel of Dusk
- Monument of the Moon
- Monument of the sun
- Temple of Constellations
- Spear of the Gods
- Mirror Pool of Tepoc
- Tomb of Gold
- Obsidian Column

Southlands:
- Deaths-head Monliths
- Guardian States of Ancient Gods
- Golden Tower of the Gods
- Temple-Avenue of Gold
- Smoking Caverns of Sotek
- Fortress of Dawn
- Temple of Skulls

Islands:
- Tor Elasor
- Tower of Stars
- Tower of the Sun
- Tor Elithis
- The lost isles of Elithis
- Dragon Isles

Nippon
- Tower of the Rising Sun

Seagates:
- Gates of Calith

Hinterlans of Khuresh
- Lost City of the Old Ones

Grand Cathay:
- Seat of the Dragon Throne
- The Great Maw
- Great Bastion (the Great Wall in Warhammer)

The Dark Lands:
- Black Fortress
- The Tower of Gorgoth
- The Tower of Zharr-Maggrund
- Grashrack's Lair
- The Fortress of Vorag
- The Desolation of Drakenmoor
- The Great Skull Land
- Place of Skulls

Land of the dead:
- Palace of Corpses
- Black Pyramid of Nagash
- The Lost hold of Karak Zorn
- Crater of the Dead

Badlands:
- The Cursed Pit

The Old World
- The Moot
- Copper Mountain
- Troll Country

and many names for mountains, marshes, swaps, plains etcetera ..

Brilliant list there DJ. im sure at least half of those would make goo wonders. and we already have some. not sure if these are all of them though;)

the Doom, Hex, Wrath and Witch Gates are part of the underpass
Shrine of Asuryan already in
Griffon Gate already in
Shrine of Asuryan already in
Tower of Hoeth - called the white tower
Great Bastion already in
Black Pyramid of Nagash already in

I watched the Warhammer map i got with a White Dwarf some time ago and found some names:

Things in Naggaroth:
- The Monoliths
- Hotek's Column
- Doom, Hex, Wrath and Witch Gate
- Altar of Ultimate Darkness
- Vaul's Anvil
- The Pits of Zardok

Ulthuan:
- Phoenix, Griffon, Unicorn, Eagle and Dragon Gate
- Vaul's Anvil
- Shrine of Asuryan
- Tower of Hoeth

Araby:
- Palace of the Wizard Caliph
- Spite Port
- Pools of Despair

Lustria:
- Stellar Pyramids
- Citadel of Dusk
- Monument of the Moon
- Monument of the sun
- Temple of Constellations
- Spear of the Gods
- Mirror Pool of Tepoc
- Tomb of Gold
- Obsidian Column

Southlands:
- Deaths-head Monliths
- Guardian States of Ancient Gods
- Golden Tower of the Gods
- Temple-Avenue of Gold
- Smoking Caverns of Sotek
- Fortress of Dawn
- Temple of Skulls

Islands:
- Tor Elasor
- Tower of Stars
- Tower of the Sun
- Tor Elithis
- The lost isles of Elithis
- Dragon Isles

Nippon
- Tower of the Rising Sun

Seagates:
- Gates of Calith

Hinterlans of Khuresh
- Lost City of the Old Ones

Grand Cathay:
- Seat of the Dragon Throne
- The Great Maw
- Great Bastion (the Great Wall in Warhammer)

The Dark Lands:
- Black Fortress
- The Tower of Gorgoth
- The Tower of Zharr-Maggrund
- Grashrack's Lair
- The Fortress of Vorag
- The Desolation of Drakenmoor
- The Great Skull Land
- Place of Skulls

Land of the dead:
- Palace of Corpses
- Black Pyramid of Nagash
- The Lost hold of Karak Zorn
- Crater of the Dead

Badlands:
- The Cursed Pit

The Old World
- The Moot
- Copper Mountain
- Troll Country

and many names for mountains, marshes, swaps, plains etcetera ..

Maybe you could make some suggestions, which of those could be used to rename the "vanilla like wonders" we have in the game, that would be a big help (have a look at post #2).

true .. I'll give it a try tomorrow .. I'll post the ideas in this post tomorrow .. ;)

@Duke
I took out all the civrelated text I might change of this. You can play with it to your liking now.

true .. I'll give it a try tomorrow .. I'll post the ideas in this post tomorrow .. ;)

Here the world wonders. I couldn't fill up every spot, but i made some suggestions.

World Wonders
Angkor Wat - - Mark of the Old Ones or Lost City of the Old Ones
Globe Theatre - - Tristan's Theatre (made up - inspired by te bretonnian tristan the troubadour)
Hermitage - - Kislev or Empire museum
Heroic Epic - - is a common name. The heroic epic of {famous person of that race}
Ironworks - - is a common name? The Ironworks of Karak …. (dwarf hold)
National Epic - - is a common name. The national epic of {name country}
Notre Dame - - Shrine of the Holy Grail (bretonnian .. French-like)
Oxford University - - 8 Colleges of Magic
Palace - - The Throne of .. {name country}
Stonehenge - - Guardian States of Ancient Gods of Temple of Constellations
The Colossus - - Spite port (not a big thing .. but it's a harbour I think)
The Great Library - - The Black Library (not that original)
The Hagia Sophia - - Should be an Araby wonder
The Parthenon - - A lustrian temple
The Taj Mahal - - Monument of the grave of a famous person
Wall Street - - Tomb of Gold or The Great Bazzar (ty PL ;))
West Point - - The Tilean War Academy (Tilea is home of the mercenaries)

Extra's
Palace of the Wizard Caliph

I hope you like some of the ideas! Don't be afraid to give comment ;)

Wall Street - - the Great bazzar

@Duke
Please delete all the textentries for traits also in the objecttextinfo file posted above, thx.

I personally like the following things DJ stated:

Globe Theatre - - Tristan's Theatre

Notre Dame - - Shrine of the Holy Grail

The Great Library - - The Black Library

Wall Street - - Great Bazaar

West Point - - The Tilean War Academy

I personally like the following things DJ stated:

Globe Theatre - - Tristan's Theatre

Notre Dame - - Shrine of the Holy Grail

The Great Library - - The Black Library

Wall Street - - Great Bazaar

West Point - - The Tilean War Academy

Thanks. Tristan is a famous Bretonnian entertainer and Tilea is home of the merceneries :)

Personally I like this ones very much too:

Lost City of the Old Ones as Angkor Wat; Angkor Wat is like an unimaginable big 'city' of temples. Looks like they're made by (the) god(s). The lost city of the old Ones state the same in my opinion .. it gives the same feeling.

Temple of Constellations as Stonehenge; stonehenge has a link with the planets and the temple of constellations states the same thing. It's based on the stars: constellations.

I like your thinking DJ, good call:D

Thanks. Tristan is a famous Bretonnian entertainer and Tilea is home of the merceneries :)

Personally I like this ones very much too:

Lost City of the Old Ones as Angkor Wat; Angkor Wat is like an unimaginable big 'city' of temples. Looks like they're made by (the) god(s). The lost city of the old Ones state the same in my opinion .. it gives the same feeling.

Temple of Constellations as Stonehenge; stonehenge has a link with the planets and the temple of constellations states the same thing. It's based on the stars: constellations.

I don´t know if you mean "The Temple-city of Tlaxtlan" when you´re talking abou the "Lost City of the old ones". It´s much like the RL "Tenochtitlan" but is the capital of the lizardmen :confused:

If so, then I already took two wonders that are in this city as wonders - the "floating gardens of lost Xholankha" and the "Great temple of Tlazcotl".

SAnd If not, I would rather stick to 2 wonders from the Lizardmen and prefer to take some more wonders from other races/nations.

Temple of Constellations is ok, but only if it has the stonehenge look - otherwise I would prefer just a simple "Standing Stones".

I also really liked the Theatre of Tristan and the Tilean thing :goodjob:

keep the input coming - maybe something from the Darkelves or Dwarves (such as the shrine of Grimnir and so).

I don´t know if you mean "The Temple-city of Tlaxtlan" when you´re talking abou the "Lost City of the old ones". It´s much like the RL "Tenochtitlan" but is the capital of the lizardmen :confused:

If so, then I already took two wonders that are in this city as wonders - the "floating gardens of lost Xholankha" and the "Great temple of Tlazcotl".

SAnd If not, I would rather stick to 2 wonders from the Lizardmen and prefer to take some more wonders from other races/nations.

Lost City of the old ones lies in the east, in the forests/jungles of the plateau between the kingdoms of Ind and Nippon. The forests are inhabited by Beastmen an its a scary place ;) .. most likely no one of the 'civilised' world has ever seen the city, but it is there somewhere.

Temple of Constellations is ok, but only if it has the stonehenge look - otherwise I would prefer just a simple "Standing Stones".

Dunno mhow it looks like through the eyes of the warhammer fluff-writers @ games-workshop, but we (not me .. but the technical guys ;) ) can give it ant look we want ;)

Yeh, the Lost City is in Real world Thailand.

Also, the Lizardmen capital is Itza, not Tlaxtlan.

Darkelves (like ive said before;)) should get the Underways. a wonder that connects all current cities with an underground transport link, increasing trade and defence of those cities. any new cities built should not get the benifit unless they build the Underpass ( a building unlocked by the Underways)
Darkelves should also get Alter of Ultimate Darkness, or the Black Pillar. not too sure what they could do though.

Yeh, the Lost City is in Real world Thailand.

Also, the Lizardmen capital is Itza, not Tlaxtlan.

Darkelves (like ive said before;)) should get the Underways. a wonder that connects all current cities with an underground transport link, increasing trade and defence of those cities. any new cities built should not get the benifit unless they build the Underpass ( a building unlocked by the Underways)
Darkelves should also get Alter of Ultimate Darkness, or the Black Pillar. not too sure what they could do though.
Isn't the Altar Chaosspecific? If not that would be a good wonder to race for between some of the evil races.

Isn't the Altar Chaosspecific? If not that would be a good wonder to race for between some of the evil races.

It lies in Naggartoh .. and Dark Elves are kinda Chaos .. many (especially the witch elves) worship the chaos god Khorne. I think PL's alternatives are quite good. The Altar could be some sort of link with the immortal world, to make the elves closer to the gods. Maybe It can give more experience for new units?

Hmmm, perhaps it could also be unique in that the Dark Elves Cannot declare war on Chaos or vise versa, because they are worshipping them, and declaring war on you own gods is, well, ludicrous

Hmmm, perhaps it could also be unique in that the Dark Elves Cannot declare war on Chaos or vise versa, because they are worshipping them, and declaring war on you own gods is, well, ludicrous
that's chaos:D

:lol: yes, by Darkelves also tend to worship Khorne and Slaanesh, espectially Morathi.

@ All:

I still need new names for the following wonders:

Hermitage
The Colossus
The Hagia Sophia
The Parthenon
The Sistine Chapel
The Taj Mahal

Some elven- (Dark, High, Wood, whatever) or dwarven- maybe also skaven-named wonders would be good!

And one small question: does anybody know what the TXT_KEY_..._STRATEGY tags in the BuildingsInfos.xml are used for? And which other XML file uses these tags? I´ll have to edit this one to, but maybe I´ll have it figured out until tomorrow.

@ Ploe:

just read that you wanted to have the trait entries also removed from the Civ4GameTextInfos_Objects.xml - I´ll do that until tomorrow and maybe post the file here.

Take the Palace of the Wizard Caliph for Taj Mahal.

Txt key Strategy is for the strategy advisor in the game;)

Good idea for Taj Mahal

other ideas:

The Colossus: The Titan of Glory ((invented), stands at the Mouth of one of the Great Tilean Ports)
The Hagia Sophia: The Yogi Abbey ((invented0 place in ind where the Yogis go for their final training)
The Parthenon: The Temple of the old Faith ((Invented)the one and only building constructed specifically for the worship of the Old Faith)
The Sistine Chapel: Theogonist Hall ( (invented), the place where all of the grand Theogonists are entombed)

Hm, to be true I don´t like the invented ones :(
Rather would like to see to have real WH Buildings as wonders.

I´ll have a look at the civ3 Mod today and come up with the rest of the names for tomorrow.

If you want to keep yourself informed, which Wonders I´m about to rename to what: always have a look at the 3rd post and state your comments, if your fine with the changes I´m about to do!

its cool, they were on the spot inventions anywho:D

Another Ziggurat:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=175451

Good idea for Taj Mahal

other ideas:

The Colossus: The Titan of Glory ((invented), stands at the Mouth of one of the Great Tilean Ports)
The Hagia Sophia: The Yogi Abbey ((invented0 place in ind where the Yogis go for their final training)
The Parthenon: The Temple of the old Faith ((Invented)the one and only building constructed specifically for the worship of the Old Faith)
The Sistine Chapel: Theogonist Hall ( (invented), the place where all of the grand Theogonists are entombed)

I like the latter two: Theogonist Hall (sounds great) and The Temple of the old Faith (name is good, the reason fot the name too :) ) Although it could also be a hall of a Dwarven hold, let's say the capital .. The vault of Karaz-a-Karak ..

Maybe let the first one be The titan of Spite port? Spite port is a warhammer harbor (99% sure ;) )

Hagia Sophia is a mosque, so i'm immediately thinking of something in Araby or the surrounding areas.

This afternoon i will take a look at the wonders in Civ3. Maybe that can give me some ideas ..

yeh, good point about the Hagia Sophia.
I didnt know of any real WH ports, pther than the Suidocks in Westerland, Titan of Spite Port would be good though.

yeh, good point about the Hagia Sophia.
I didnt know of any real WH ports, pther than the Suidocks in Westerland, Titan of Spite Port would be good though.

The suidocks is a good wonder, but not that original (wh4 mod) imo .. maybe a civ-specific wonder?

suidock could be a Reikland only wonder (unless we include westerland as a separate race)

suidock could be a Reikland only wonder (unless we include westerland as a separate race)

Westerland is a unique race in WH3, but quite small .. that point needs some serious thinking in the future .. we already got plenty of civs :)

yeh, i agree. we already have more civs than we need. but the suidock could still be a Reikland only wonder

yeh, i agree. we already have more civs than we need. but the suidock could still be a Reikland only wonder

totally agree .. I added it to the future thread ;)

@Duke
I'd like the glittering Tower renamed to Lighthouse of Manaan, please.

@the others
Please check the civ3 before you invent names. More than two years developement made that quite a polished product. It's got plenty of wonders so there certainly isn't a reason to invent names now until we decide to put in a wonder they don't have.

@Duke
I'd like the glittering Tower renamed to Lighthouse of Manaan, please.

Fine with me - you seem to had a look at the civ3 mod, didn´t you ;)

But I´d like to get some names for wonders that aren´t in the civ3 mod.

For example I took the "Floating Gardens of Lost Xholankhe" instead of the Oasis (can´t remember the exact name) they have in the civ3 mod for the Hanging Gardens. And I think it fits quite well.

FYI, the glittering Tower is not an invented name, it is infact the lighthouse which was build by the highelves to mark the entrance into the Inner Sea through the Straights of Lothern. it is also a very important piece of High elven architecture.

perhaps we should have votes on these things, on whether we should Copy/paste wonders from civ 3 into civ 4 or to make this more of an individual mod.

Anybody else got comments on the "Glittering Tower" topic?

We´re still a democratic mod-team here, so please everybody post you´re opinion on this.

@Duke
I'd like the glittering Tower renamed to Lighthouse of Manaan, please.

@the others
Please check the civ3 before you invent names. More than two years developement made that quite a polished product. It's got plenty of wonders so there certainly isn't a reason to invent names now until we decide to put in a wonder they don't have.

I made a list of all the wonders in the Civ3-WH-mod in the appropiate thread:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=4209060#post4209060

Have fun! :D

ps .. i like the lighthouse of Manaan less than the glittering tower .. cause it's original ;-)

Ok if it's not invented we can keep it Glittering.;) Though I still prefer Manaan, sounds better imo.

Thx for the list DJ, just printed it :goodjob:

Ironworks will be renamed to the Great Forge.

Thx for the list DJ, just printed it :goodjob:

Ironworks will be renamed to the Great Forge.

The Great Forge of Karak Azul sounds even better IMO .. Karak Azul is the dwarven centre of of metalworking because of the mountains rich deposits of iron ..

I think we should keep this more generic for more civs to race for. It's a powerful wonder after all which enables the city to get quite a few more wonders after very fast with that hammerboost. So I vote for just Great Forge.
We could also have elf unique Vault's smithy and dwarven unique smithy wonders after that but maybe less powerful like just improving production for selected units or building. what about that?

I also like to keep the wonders as generic as we can where possible, that´s why I´ll rename it only to the Great Forge (Ironworks would also fit, but a "Great Forge" sounds more like Fantasy to me)

I think we should keep this more generic for more civs to race for. It's a powerful wonder after all which enables the city to get quite a few more wonders after very fast with that hammerboost. So I vote for just Great Forge.
We could also have elf unique Vault's smithy and dwarven unique smithy wonders after that but maybe less powerful like just improving production for selected units or building. what about that?

I thought we wanted specific warhammer buidlings .. haha ..
But the smaller specific thingies sound good too .. ;)

I thought we wanted specific warhammer buidlings .. haha ..
But the smaller specific thingies sound good too .. ;)
Yes specific and generic we need both. The dwarven origin can be put into pedia for this one. I don't think we'll have much unique wonders until the Warlords expansion. Putting a unique tech for every single wonder we want unique is just to much right now. I believe designing this unique stuff will be much easier in the expansion;)
Just if we want to be the great forge a worldwonder I'd say it has to be generic otherwise we can make many similar wonders of this kind with different art for different civs also(having it small wonder status)

Yes specific and generic we need both. The dwarven origin can be put into pedia for this one. I don't think we'll have much unique wonders until the Warlords expansion. Putting a unique tech for every single wonder we want unique is just to much right now. I believe designing this unique stuff will be much easier in the expansion;)
Just if we want to be the great forge a worldwonder I'd say it has to be generic otherwise we can make many similar wonders of this kind with different art for different civs also(having it small wonder status)

I certainly understand .. I'll keep it in mind for the after-patch thread ;) thanks for the feedback.

We should make the elves unableto build that, and instead be able to build Vaul's Anvil which could do similar effects.

PS, we could call the Glittering tower "The Lathain-Menlui Tower" which is a combination of Highelven runes from the army book. (Lathain = elven word for storm, wrath / Menlui = elven word for water and life... so could be interpreted as the life from the storm, or survivor of the storm etc.)

We should make the elves unableto build that, and instead be able to build Vaul's Anvil which could do similar effects.

PS, we could call the Glittering tower "The Lathain-Menlui Tower" which is a combination of Highelven runes from the army book. (Lathain = elven word for storm, wrath / Menlui = elven word for water and life... so could be interpreted as the life from the storm, or survivor of the storm etc.)

very very creative .. with the runes in the different armybooks we could 'translate' building names .. that is very interesting indeed ..

nice going lama! :goodjob:

glad you like. but im not sure it would be good for translating building names, because than casual players would find it more of a pain then an added flavor, as they would not know what each building is. you could do that for UU's though.

So the last three wonders to rename are left and they are:

The Colossus (will most probably rename this to "Titan of Spite Port")

The Hagia Sophia (some Ind or Araby Names anybody?)

Hermitage (maybe it will just be "Middenheim Museum" or "National Museum/Art Gallery" or could somebody tell me what the most art-loving Natio in WH is and give the name of its capital?)

And I still want to know where the largest Bloodbowl-Stadium is, because I want to put it in as a Wonder (I think the Reikland Raiders are the most succesful team - So I maybe will call it the "Raiders Home Stadium" or something like that)
EDIT: I just had an Idea: Maybe I´ll just give it the Name of the BloodBowl Association

I will also put in the "Great Temple of Tlazcotl" with the Chichen Itza Art as soon as I can come up with some good stats and effects for it.

I just discovered my bloodbowl rulebook maybe I can find some. Keep the names a bit generic it's allways strange having elfs build a Reikland stadium or museum.

After some reading I found out btw that the standing stones and the magical Vortex are identical.

I just discovered my bloodbowl rulebook maybe I can find some. Keep the names a bit generic it's allways strange having elfs build a Reikland stadium or museum.

After some reading I found out btw that the standing stones and the magical Vortex are identical.

thought about that, maybe I´ll even call it the "Chaos Cup Stadium (proudly sponsored by Bloodweiser TM)" or after another Cup. Right Now I think that would be the best idea.

yes I second that I will read a bit now. Maybe I can find something;)

No news. I found a map of all major bloodbowl stadions but no names, drat! What I have are plenty of names for Blood Bowl Starplayers. So if we're going to have a new great person type...:D

Maybe just call it the Bloodweiser Stadium since the biggest cup is just the Blood Bowl.

No news. I found a map of all major bloodbowl stadions but no names, drat! What I have are plenty of names for Blood Bowl Starplayers. So if we're going to have a new great person type...:D

Maybe just call it the Bloodweiser Stadium since the biggest cup is just the Blood Bowl.

Good idea :goodjob:

I like that one, very generic but also really good WH-Style.

I´ll give it a Continental Happiness Bonus and very high Culture (now the Bloodbowl Starplayer GP´s idea would be cool :lol: - I love the funnyside of WH)

I added two new Wonders to the Game:


Great Temple of Tlazcotl (Chichen Itza Art)

cost 800
Tech: Civil Service
+2 points for Great Engineer
-33% Hurry Cost Reduction
double Production Speed with Stone


Bloodweiser Stadium (Colosseum Art - for now!)

cost 1200
Tech: Currency
+10 Culture
+1 point for Great Merchant
+2 Happiness in all cities on same continent
double Production Speed with Stone


Any ideas or suggestions for those two?

should the Bloodweiser Stadium get its +2 Happiness in all cities on same continent or should it supply the Player with a new Resource called "BloodBowl tickets", that makes folks happy :D

I came up with that idea yesterday and think it would add some fun to the game - that´s what the BloodBowl Boardgame is all about IMO.

I´d really like to hear your thoughts on that on ;)

I think reduce culture a bit and let it generate income in the city where build. And the tickets could generate +5 income and one happines.

OK, I like the Income idea very much. So how does this sound:

Bloodweiser Stadium (Colosseum Art - for now!)

cost 1200
Tech: Currency
+6 Culture
+1 point for Great Merchant
+3 Gold
gives 3 of the Bonus-Resource "BloodBowl Tickets" (those give +5 Gold and +1 Happiness)
double Production Speed with Stone

double Production Speed maybe with Marble instead of Stone?

Ok for me. The GP points could maybe later be switched to +5 Bloodbowl Star player :D, but that's later.

What about sewers instead of hospitals?

Ok for me. The GP points could maybe later be switched to +5 Bloodbowl Star player :D, but that's later.

What about sewers instead of hospitals?

:D I really love this idea about the Starplayers.

You mean we should replace the hosptal with sewers? Wouldn´t make much difference Gameplay-wise (other prereq Tech and no extra healing, but the main purpose of the Hospital is to let Cities grow further).

But I think it would add to the atmosphere (Hospitals are not really Fantasy like - Sewers would suit better and make the Mod more Unique)

Doing the Model should be really simple - just some pumpstation with tubes going into the Ground and a stair going down.


I´m also thinking about adding an Herbalist to the Mod - so maybe sewers could become available earlier but only give +2 Health and then you can build a Herbalist later that gives an additional +1 (or +2).

For a later building I'd prefer Apothecary(written correctly?). For an early building it could be Shaman's Tent(for barbarianlike civs, also prereq for Shaman then) respective Healer for the civilized ones.
Jojoweb already posted some tents btw.

Here's some cool buildingart from Ganarts extended mod:
He allowed to use what we want.

Nice ideas all:goodjob:

I think reduce culture a bit and let it generate income in the city where build. And the tickets could generate +5 income and one happines.

Hm, I just found out yesterday, you can´t let Resources generate income directly. So the "Tickets" only give +1 Happiness for now, but the Stadium itself gives +5 Gold instead of +3.

I´ll ask our Python wizards about adding the ability for Resources to directly produce income.

On the other hand I think it's ok getting income for them if you simply trade them as normal. Otherwise it wouldn't make since trading them!:mischief:

Generic Wonder: Sphinx by R.W.
thread:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4181779&postcount=1
Dl:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=132308&d=1152672712

Hehe, just opened imageshack and wanted to post the pic of it here, but you were faster :D

Very cool thingy:

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/4994/sphinxshot0bt.th.jpg (http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sphinxshot0bt.jpg)

I´ll implement this as soon as possible, will call it just "Sphinx" ;)

BTW: must have been a long night of work, you posting around 5 AM

Yep, did it besides working on Bismarck. Since you worked on those eggs you may get an idea why this allways takes so much time:D
And just Sphinx, yeah why not.

That Sphinx is really nice. I am looking forward to designing some unique buildings for orcs and elves and other stuff, never designed a building, but after i saw the trolls lair, i cought fire on this... (ok, adding units to formations will take some more time, and after that i will have to do the tomb kin units, so rabbit sees it was worth doing those equipment ;) )

Someone mentioned a white tower in the resource thread so here is my attempt. Is it too basic, simple, crappy, ect? I can't get anything to skin "white" though. I'm very :confused:

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/641/whitega6.th.png (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=whitega6.png)

Actually, I like it the way it is.

Maybe put some "faces" inside those holes, can always be skinned black or something, to represent windows/holes. And remember to make the lower part extend to the bottom, so it doesn´t look weird when built on Hills (not like my buildings, because I didn´t extend the lower part - was something I learned later). Have a look at the original cIV buildings, if you don´t know what I mean.

upload the .max file without unwrapping the texture and I´ll do the skinning and add the "floor".

Okay. Here's the pre unwrapped version. Let me know if you want the one from the screenie for some unknown reason. :)

Nice one! Maybe add some (Duke can you translate "Erker" I read "bays") Does it make sense to add bays to a tower woodelf or did I produce funny stuff again?:mischief:

Nice one! Maybe add some (Duke can you translate "Erker" I read "bays") Does it make sense to add bays to a tower woodelf or did I produce funny stuff again?:mischief:

Hm, I think its called "oriel" but I´m not that sure.

What in holy heck are you guys talking about? Now I'm really :confused:. :p

Any more simple one for me to chew on? I'm dreading the next step of animating and bipeds so this is good. :)

Well any building you can think of that looks a little fantasylike could find a place here. If you like challenges we also love diverse cityarts. Warlords will have a few but nothing to fit for fantasy races no doubt.:)
Btw I meant tiny little "towers" attached to the top of the main building. Just no idea how you call it.:blush:

Very nice model Woodelf, i must say, but it would be even cooler if there were smaller towers jutting out from the sides. i think thats what Ploe is trying to explain.

Ok, instead of making a new thread i will just post my questions on building making with 3ds Max here.:)

@Duke, how do you lower polycount easily?

I suggest you direct that question to Duke seZ doesn't work with max;)


@Everyone
Lets use that awesome Leonardos Workshop from Ganart as a generic wonder available with Tech_invention. It should work like in civ3 reducing upgradecosts. Any idea how to do this?
We can call it Gnomes Workshop or even Leonardos' (since by fluff there is a Leonardo in WH too)

Thats a good idea, i always loved that wonder:D

I finally managed to decrease the polycount to 1054 verticies and 872 faces. is that low enough? (I had to makethe whole thing from scratch, but now im really quick at it, only took 2 hours this time:D)

Shall i post it here?

Good job! yeah post it. With the polycount so low hm maybe we can create a cityart out of that for the Highelves!

I can make more towers and stuff, im getting quite good, but i cant render ir skin yet. i tried one but i looked crap;)

Here is a Screen Shot (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=highelfpalacetowerdg4.png)

Looks fantastic the model! Go on:thumbsup:

Maybe you could create numerous single towers smaller and bigger ones in this style? I though about putting them on a cityartnif afterwards and thus create a cityart for Highelfves. That means after either woodelf or duke uv-mapped it.

Im way ahead of you;) i have already made 2 different types of High Elf houses;)

Looks great, but UV mapping that looks a bit daunting. :)

If the Duke can't do it today I'll see about trying it late tomorrow.

Ok, I have now completed 4 Highelf Houses and a Highelf Light House (on a Rock!!)

Here are the Uploads of the other High Elf Houses and Light House i did:) what do you think?

For some reason I couldn't unwrap your first tower model P_L. It didn't seem to be an editable poly which confuses me.

Just select the whole thing, then right click and select "turn to editable poly/mesh" I haven´t found out the difference of those two, yet.

And unwrapping your fabulous tower should be no problem PL, I´ll do it this evening.

Oh yeah, just one thing PL: If you do buildings for cIV you need to extend the base of them to go underground, that´s because of graphical issues when they get build on Hills. I don´t know if you understand what I´m saying, just open the winery with the NifViewer and you´ll see what I mean.

@Everyone
Lets use that awesome Leonardos Workshop from Ganart as a generic wonder available with Tech_invention. It should work like in civ3 reducing upgradecosts. Any idea how to do this?
We can call it Gnomes Workshop or even Leonardos' (since by fluff there is a Leonardo in WH too)

I like the idea and I also like the building by Ganart a lot, but there is one problem: by the Time you discover Invention there are no Units you´ll be able to upgrade (at least not very much) that would make this Wonder nearly useless and I, personally, wouldn´t even consider building it.

Since nearly only the Ancient units upgrade to their Militia versions the Wonder would need another function, like speeding up the construction of certain Units (Siege and/or Armored, Otnithopter etc.) or buildings.

Alrighty;)

Oh yeh i forgot about that Duke, ta, i will do that now. shall i re-upload them?

Oh, and i found an awsome picture of the Tower of Saphery (white tower) and was wondering if it would be Ok if i had a go at making an alternative white tower modle woodelf. (i feel bad asking, because i love your one)
but thats only if my attempt isnt too complicated and has too many polys;)

Don't feel bad. Model away. :)

cool, thanks. :D

The trading post is done and found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2696).

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/6972/tradingpost0000bx9.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tradingpost0000bx9.jpg)

It doesn't look so hot on that surface, but that's the ancient city surface. :sad:

Also in the database are a Thieves Guild and a Guard Tower. I doubt an Iroquois longhouse or Aztec Temple will be used in WHFB, but they are there as well. ;)

Thx Woodelf. Aztec building are pretty for the Lizards btw.

Maybe I can add a grassy or brown ground to the building in the nifviewer that way it will certainly do.;)

Great. Any variations on the Aztec building you can think of? I enjoyed making that one.

Roland is also skinning a Wizard's Tower, a Dwarven vault, and an Elven treetop house for me.

Here's something I've been toying with; woodelven buildings. Let me know what you think of this "tower" or library type building. To the right is an Elven archery range.

The archery range is cool.:) The other doesn't look really woodelfish imo yet. What about Houselike structures inmidst a treestump?
Grr how to explain? something like:
Upper tree
flet with housing
lower treestump

Edit: I try to find some pics

Edit: not quite easy to find good pics of treehomes...

The archery range is cool.:) The other doesn't look really woodelfish imo yet. What about Houselike structures inmidst a treestump?
Grr how to explain? something like:
Upper tree
flet with housing
lower treestump

Edit: I try to find some pics

Pics would be good since I've spent hours looking for concept art, but none was really good.

The other will be more elven after I beg Roland to skin for me. ;)

And I'm trying to avoid tree stumps!

Sorry, I've missed a lot of this thread and don't have time to read it all.

Have we come to a descison about unique wonders yet?

Not really. I'm still for one unique wonder for every civ. Sevral for groups of civs and a lot of generics. I think we should design special wonders and buildings in the civthreads. The thread is already more to just comment the art.;)

Edit: not quite easy to find good pics of treehomes...

Tell me about it.

I'm trying for the tree look with some visible buildings. I was hoping for inspiration from the net, but it looks like I need my own. The Woodelves need a HOME! :p

Well for inspiration just watch LotR and take a look at Lothlorien;)

http://equilibris.celestialheavens.com/images/bank_elven_tmb.jpg
Very small but best so far I found
here is the whole pic
http://equilibris.celestialheavens.com/images/bank_elven.jpg

I kind of like that. Thanks.

It's non un-Elven to build on a stump? :eek:

I kind of like that. Thanks.

It's non un-Elven to build on a stump? :eek:
You can make the top more treeish. will make the whole thing less stumpy:D

I'm going to try making something on a stump, then I'll try something inside a large tree. After that I'll go back to my bridge connected buildings.

Sounds pretty. Also have a look at what PL posted earlier about a woodelves house. That one should match in style somehow;)

Edit: but I can't find where he put it.

Your edits aren't doing so hot. :p

A building on a stump...

Other than the texturing, tell me what you think. What needs to be worked on?

Maybe the "stump" should be streched a little-to make the whole structure more slim and elegant imo with some branches to hold the house and a treetop! Giving the whole thing the appearance of a living tree with the house worked around the trunk and the tree willing to carry it not forced to do so.-I hope this doesn't sound Feng Shui or something all though this could be the direction.:D

As it is we can use it as a granary already so you can also keep a version of it.;)

You're not too Feng Shui yet Ploep. ;)

The problem with making the building in the trees is that to get any definition on the building you'd have to make the trees really tall. I'm trying to keep them the same height as the surrounding forests.

I could put a building into the trunks, but the trees would be monstrous. I'll see how that does look.

If the trees are a bit larger than normal no problem. Elves won't build on small or even average trees for they have to be strong enough to carry a large family:D. They may be impressive;)

Edit: just make sure they don't take more place at the basement.

If the trees are a bit larger than normal no problem. Elves won't build on small or even average trees for they have to be strong enough to carry a large family:D. They may be impressive;)

Edit: just make sure they don't take more place at the basement.

If you need more house but less tree, I bet you could take two medium-sized trees and put the house between them.

Of course, the reason you probably say not to take up more base is that you're looking for a 1x1 plot on the city, so having multiple trees would probably take up 2x1 or 3x1. Unless you were to try out the custom no-LSystem XML tags, but with all the fun we've had with the normal LSystem I think we should just stear clear of that all together :P

If you need more house but less tree, I bet you could take two medium-sized trees and put the house between them.

Of course, the reason you probably say not to take up more base is that you're looking for a 1x1 plot on the city, so having multiple trees would probably take up 2x1 or 3x1. Unless you were to try out the custom no-LSystem XML tags, but with all the fun we've had with the normal LSystem I think we should just stear clear of that all together :P
No way! I want to create city art;) I think nifediting vanilla cities using building models as attachment could be a way to go. But didn't try yet.
Wouldn't be needed of course if it's doable directly via max but so far I didn't see anyone doing this. The city nif seem a little different to others, sort of an atlasmap but 3D.
The reason why I asked not to increase the size of the basement is mainly motivated just to keep the proportions nice. The way I'm planning to do it I think wouldn't count much whatever place the model normally takes since I can scale in the viewer. But as I said I have yet to try it first. #Could be I'm totally wrong...

I have a building set between 2 trees, but I forgot to post it here...I posted that one in FfH2 private forum. :p

I have a building set between 2 trees, but I forgot to post it here...I posted that one in FfH2 private forum. :p
As a cityart or as building?

Building. I don't make cityart.

Building. I don't make cityart.
Ah ok I misunderstood. As soon you spy any info about a new cityart please inform me about it. I looked at the city nifs and think I can edit them the way I planned but additional info about that is allways appreciated.

So we're on the same page...what do you mean by cityart? The actual buildings that make up the city when founded?

So we're on the same page...what do you mean by cityart? The actual buildings that make up the city when founded?
Yep exactly.

I can get no buildings to show up, but when I add buildings to that file or rename another nif the exact name I get nothing. It's bizarre.

I kind of like the barren look and you only add buildings as you build them.

That's bad. Looked so easy.:( I guess those Buildings would have to take an exact position like buttons in an atlasmap will be difficult to find out-if's possible at all. I'll check this now.

Yeah, I asked Kael and he said the FfH religion specific buildings are just skin jobs. :( I want new cityart! Maybe I'm missing something real easy? Maybe I should leave the shadows and try to build right on top of them and on all of them? Hard to say, but I'm going to look into it again tonight. I might just copy that last elf house into that file and copy it 20 times and fill every shadow and see what happens.

Good I'll try as well.:)

Ok my first experiment. I replaced some ancient building with modern city buildings and got this strange result:
http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/3079/civ4screenshot0000gb7.th.jpg (http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civ4screenshot0000gb7.jpg)

Woodelf could you try something for me. Import an existing cityart in max and reexport it to see if it's still ok?

Looks to me like the new buildings take on the textures from the old ones. If you want modern and ancient buildings to be part of the same city set it seems like you'll need to copy the modern city texture into the same folder under a different name and reassign it as the texture for any modern buildings you add.

I already did some quick experimentation with city set, and seems like the easiest thing to do is make new buildings fit in "footprint" with the original ones. Although I'm pretty sure it's fairly straightforward adding new sizes and then just adjusting the XML to take them into account. The catch is that while it's straightforward there's a lot of stuff to do, not the least of which is if you add a new size, figuring out how to properly position it in the city so it doesn't clash with the other ones.

Anyway, on a building by building basis it shouldn't be any different than regular buildings. Just merge your model into an existing set and put it under the desired node based on its size and that should be it.

P.S. I apologize if I didn't address some specific point, as I only scanned the previous posts. Let me know if I missed something.

Yep you missed the aim of the project. This was just a test to see if it's possible at all to change the citynifmodel in the viewer. Because woodelves test to add a building didn't work. I don't want modern buildings in ancient cities but completly new models for the fantasy civs;)
Thx for the tip with the dds I expected this to work as normal but I'll try reassigning new texturenames.
Questions: think it could work adding three 1x1 leafs on a 3x1 leaf i.e.?
Did you already import cities in max and if so did it work after reexport as well?

Questions: think it could work adding three 1x1 leafs on a 3x1 leaf i.e.?


I don't think so. From what I know about the LSystem, it places them for you, so you can't garentee that your buildings will be adjacent to each other unless you screw around with the ability to not use the LSystem (like walls and aqueducts do).

I don't think so. From what I know about the LSystem, it places them for you, so you can't garentee that your buildings will be adjacent to each other unless you screw around with the ability to not use the LSystem (like walls and aqueducts do).
The question is is the Lsystem refering to the nifnodes or the meshes within the nodes. I'd guess the first is the case. So if I place more than one attachment into a node I thought this maybe should work-maybe better not think I'll just try:D

No I haven't imported any existing city models because there's nothing there I could use. I was going to simply create some new meshes and plug them into the existing city NIFs.

What did woodelf do when he tried adding buildings to the city NIFs? Because adding just a building isn't enough. At the very least one needs to create a properly named node (although maybe the name could be anything as long as it's used in the XMLs properly) and of course modify the XMLs accordingly.

As far as three 1x1 leafs on 3x1 leaf, are you referring to NIF files or the XML? If it's nif then I don't see why it shouldn't work but it'll be just like if you modeled three buildings but used them as "one building". I'm not sure what's the point of that.

In any case, when I was talking about new buildings fitting in within the footprint of the old ones, that of course doesn't mean it has to have the exact same size and shape. It just means that as long as the new building fits within the bounds of an old one, then when the city is "constructed" you won't have any problems with buildings intersecting and mixing up with each other, since their positions have already been preplanned in such a way as to avoid that.

Ah that I wanted to know. So I won't need to modify existing citybuildings because of special material or something but can use any I like. The point of putting several attachment into one node is simply having some woodelfbuildings surrounded by plants, trees i.e.;)
I don't know exactly what woodelf did but he scared me:D

I scare myself honestly...

So now it seems we'll BE able to have new cityart all I need is a LOT of new buildings:D I wil do the nifediting in.

If you look at the an_eu nif there are 18 buildings. They all look somewhat the same, but are all different.

From there creating a new building for every one built will be an undertaking, but probably decent fun. :)

Let me try something...

I honestly don't understand why I can't simply take the an_eu nif, import it, remove the default buildings, merge new elf buildings onto the same shadow plots, save as an_eu nif and then swap it in game. :confused: When I do this I get a blank terrain upon founding a city. Wierd. When someone solves this I'll be thrilled!

Am I getting closer to a WoodElven home?

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1190/treehouse0000it6.th.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=treehouse0000it6.jpg)

Definitly! But the branches look at bit strange imo.

Definitly! But the branches look at bit strange imo.

There's only one branch and it's just there for no real reason. :)

The other grey thing is the chimney. :p

There's only one branch and it's just there for no real reason. :)

The other grey thing is the chimney. :p
:lol: ok maybe better cut it of and shorten the branche a little.

Edit:An invisible city is quite nice as well:D
ok no seriously I don't get how you managed to wipe off the whole city. I placed a castle in the citynif and it didn't show(just the castle) but the rest was still ok. I guess it was to big to fit into the "footprint" which seems to be of the size of the original building and not the shadow.

I agree about the tree branch, but the chimney stays! :p

Wiping the entire city was actually easy, but it wasn't what I was shooting for. I can send you the an_eu.nif I use now if you want. And I have the ground set to grass instead of that horrid ancient tile set.

The only problem I see with an empty city is that it's truly empty until you build something. The initial city gets the palace so it looks fine, but new cities have nothing but grass. You could probably fiddle with "free" buildings that appear when a city is founded though. These could be no value cheap housing. ;)

Err that "chimney" is bigger than the house!:crazyeye: Ah well it's you who will live in it...

I couldn't solve the riddle tonight. Instead I added a lot of units again with formations. But send me the file I'll have a look at it. Maybe I find something later but now off to bed...
btw the formations seem to work with warlords without any workaround - clearly better performance:)

The chimney isn't that big!

The chimney isn't that big!
It's almost reaching out of the screen!:p

The chimney is the L shape on the right side, the branch is going left. :crazyeye:

I know I meant the L. It really hurts! Btw already noticed this smiley?:sheep:
:lol:

Why is there a smilie for that? That is bizarre!

Because sometimes the only way to describe an emotion is with a rope-jumping sheep, and you can take that to the bank!...

:banana: :dance: :sheep: :banana:
Go, go sheep, it's your birthday!
We gonna party like it's your birthday!
:band: :bounce: :banana:

Fine, I'll ride the sheep train.... :sheep:

I can't offer any advice on the whole cityart issue, but I can give feedback on Woodelf's building!

My advice would be to use an alpha map to produce selective transparency on a two-sided plane so that you can get a really leafy look to the tree, as opposed to just a big lump of polygons coloured green. I'm currently working on a big nasty-looking Ent which uses the same technique, so I'll upload it later on today and show you what I mean. To be honest I'm pretty excited that I got double-sided planes with opacity to work, because it really opens up a ton of possibilities.

Thanks neener. Any help would be wonderful since I don't know what an alpha map really is. :blush:

Hehe. An alpha map works similarly to a gloss map, if you know how to do those. Basically it's a channel of an image (you normally have three channels: Red, Green and Blue) that is black and white. You tell Max to use the alpha channel as an Opacity map, and then the white parts of the alpha map will show up as fully opaque, while the black parts will be fully transparent. So for something like your trees, you could make the gaps between the leaves transparent, and therefore look more like trees.

A quick google search finds this, which sort of explains what I mean:
http://www.vterrain.org/Plants/Alpha/index.html

:p

As Rabbit will tell you...I don't understand gloss yet either. :)

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

neener - is that alpha stuff done on the dds file or in max when you are adding materials? I'd like to get my trees to look "normal". Thanks

You should be able to get the transparency going by using an alpha channel when you create the texture. Are you using gimp or photoshop? In any case when you're working with the DDS you need to find the channels palette and add an alpha channel, then in it you use white to denote opaque and black for transparent (and greys in between). It's actually how the team color works only instead of making transparent it draws team color, but if you remove the teamcolor shader then units become transparent wherever they had team color before.

You shouldn't have to do anything special in max.

Oh and you do need to make sure that the settings/compression under which you save the DDS support alpha channel because there are some that don't.

Thanks Rabbit. Here's a screenshot of 6 buildings I've made so far.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1696/all60000os9.th.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=all60000os9.jpg)

So with my DXTBmp program I can open my dds file, add an alpha channel, make the changes you mentioned, and then resave it?

I have over 12 types of DDS types to choose from! Which one do I pick now?

I basically loaded my tree dds, created an alpha (green), (Black), and template (grey), and then when I go to resave it I have way too many choices. Normally I select DDS DXT1. Still?

civ normlly uses dxt 3. The alpha must be black;)

Yeah it should be DXT3, and I'm not sure what you're talking about with the green and black but the file should have four channels - RGB which is the texture itself and the Alpha which would be greyscale and control transparency.

Yeah it should be DXT3, and I'm not sure what you're talking about with the green and black but the file should have four channels - RGB which is the texture itself and the Alpha which would be greyscale and control transparency.
Ooops I normally set it to black in dxtbmp but then I just noticed it's reassigend grey automatically for a reason I don't know so I guess why my skins still work normally is because of this. I never saw any function that set 4 channels in this program though:confused:

I'm giving up on this for today...

I could simply go back to using Firaxis dds file, but it's huge and I was trying to save space with a smaller one. Maybe tomorrow my lightbulb will click on. :)

I attached a zip with three small tree textures. I cut them from the tree_1024 files so they look exactly the same and have the proper alpha channels. You should be able to use those.

However, I think you should use the original file unless you want to create a different looking tree texture. The reason is that this file is in the shared folder and I'm pretty sure that if you use it for your trees, even if you're only using a small part of it (obviously) you will not be wasting memory (due to loading a 1024 texture when you only need 128x128 section of it) but rather conserving it by using a resource that already loads into the game.

Do a simple test, use the trees_1024 texture but when you add the house to the game do not put the texture into the folder with the house, in fact, don't put it anywhere. Now, if you were to load that file in NIF viewer the trees would show up pink but in game they should look fine. If that doesn't work, then use the files I attached.

Hey all! sorry i havent been here for a while, ive been trying to focus on studying, i have exams in a few weeks and then im free!!!

@woodelf: those a quite good, but the leaves are a bit...bright green, and the trunks are a bit white.

also the Woodelf Palace i was working on is finished. i will upload it now and put a link here. i quite like it, its 1220 polys, but i think thats Ok for a palace, seeing as theres only going to be one of them. i dont know how to put buildings in game, so could one of you guys give it a try?

download here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/71834/WoodelfPalace.zip

Can you export it as nif?

Thanks Rabbit. I was wondering if that dds file needed to be in each folder with the accompanying nif or not. I'll find out later this weekend.

After much stewing I am really going to be steamed if that dds file doesn't have to be with the nif. I reskinned the leaves in all of my later models and it may have been unnecessary. :sad::mad::sheep: ;)

The lighter gray trunks are all brand new though since Firaxis has 4 sided trunks that look horrible when you stretch them. I made mine 8 sided and they work much better.

edit - steamed at myself, not the game. :sheep:

Thanks Ploep for turning me onto the sheep... :p

i have also just finished two more Woodelf Buildings, just 2 tree houses.

please take a look, there is a screen shot in the DL file:)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/71834/2WoodelfTreeHouses.zip

EDIT: And here is my Oak of Ages, the Wonder for the Woodelves, please take a look at this too, it also has a screenie in it:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/71834/OakofAges.zip

Edit2: i would have uploaded the screenshot of imageshack, but they are too big to go on there:D

Thx PL. Now can someone please export them into nif format with a uvmap?

i have 2 more Tree houses and 6 ground houses, that should be pleanty shoulnt it? (i just need to skin them) i did some ground houses because we dont want the city to be ONLY tree canopies did we?

i have 2 more Tree houses and 6 ground houses, that should be pleanty shoulnt it? (i just need to skin them) i did some ground houses because we dont want the city to be ONLY tree canopies did we?
No not only;)

Good call Rabbit on the tree_dds file not needing to be in the folder to have an effect. :) I unnecessarily made my life way more difficult, but all is good now.

Good call Rabbit on the tree_dds file not needing to be in the folder to have an effect. :) I unnecessarily made my life way more difficult, but all is good now.
Good.

And I was thinking, it might be a good idea to try to apply this to as many other things as possible. Like for example if several units are using the same weapon that has its own texture (like let's say some axe or sword that I made) then instead of having the weapon's texture in each unit's folder, just put it in shared. At the very least it'll save a bit on space, and maybe will improve performance (if the engine is not smart enough to recognize on its own when a different object is calling for a texture it already has in memory).

Here's a new version with pine trees flanking the palace instead of cheesy towers. I'm not thrilled about the thatch roof, but honestly, that's minor ATM.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8356/palace20000eq5.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=palace20000eq5.jpg)

I know P_L didn't like the lighter trunks, but I hate everything being the same. Anyone else have thoughts?

Wait, so the tree leaves still don't have proper alpha even when using the vanilla texture?

That is the Vanilla dds, yes.

Hmm, the alpha is obviously still not working. Not sure what's happening there.

As for the colouring, I do agree that it's too light. You can probably darken it (and add more detail if possible) without blending into the background too much. The roof of the hut, for example, looks a bit too bright and yellow to me. You could do quite a lot with it (get a more thatched look, 'weather' it with moss, even put some leaves on it) without losing its distinctiveness.

I think your problem is with the back-faces.
In Wings3D they show as having 'hole' texture, which translates as see-through.

That is as far as my civ4-alphalayer knowledge goes for now.


I suggest importing a few 'wildtype' trees into the houselots, they somehow look better.
They can be exported from a trees*.lif to obj, imported into your city obj, seperated into seperate objects and then moved around.
Only need a trees/WE-buildings fused dds.

Enchanted forest ideas: jungle with the palms replaced by decidious/evergreen trees.
change hue of trees.dds to show more golden, then add animation of fireflies or blue glow.
added mist is a good idea too.

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addit:
alphalayers
OK. It is not the backfaces.
While playing with some trees and adding vines to the mix of textures, I find that the unused parts of the texturemap (trees1024) have 100% opague alpha. Not nice.
Anyone has any hints on how the alphalayers work and where it is kept?

Here are my suggestions for wonders and again it is only suggestions, don't want to minor the wonderful job already done:

_Empire:
The 8 Colleges of Magic
Leon Brachwurster Mechanic Menagery
The Automorial
The Thaumadivinator
Emperor Boris Fluvial Mausoleum
Strichenfloch Enrolment Post
(the former 5 are from the latest WH rule book)
The Suiddock
The Jade Griffon Altar
The Moot
Alde Weirde's Incunabulum

_Bretonnia:
Great Cathedral of the Holy Grail

_Tilea:
Mercenary Guilds Charter
Merchant's guilds Charter

_Araby:
The Great Bazaar
The Djiins Palace

_Cathay:
The great Bastion (great wall, easy the model and effects are already in :) )
Fireworks

_Nippon:
Tower of the Rising Sun
Thieves Guilds charter

_Ind:
Floating Garden

_Chaos:
_The March Fortress
_The Monsters Dale
_The Hill of Bones
_Great Monolith of the Horrid Beast

_Khemri:
The Spring of Eternal Life
The Black Pyramid
Pillar of Skulls
The Pyramid of Eternity

_Dwarves:
Great anvil of Doom
Bugman's Brewery
Engineer's Guilds Charter
The Hall of Kings
The Great Book of Grudges
The Gates of Karaz a Karak
Great Forges of the Thunder Mount

_Chaos dwarves:
The hammer of hashut ( ICBM with a chance to explose on the city launching it)
Obsidian Zigurrat of Hashut

_Ulthuan:
White Tower of Hoeth
Unicorn Gate
Eagle Gate
Griffin Gate
Phoenix Gate
Dragon Gate (perhaps these 5 gates could be simply forts land improvment i don't know)
Isle of the Dead
Tower of Stars
Vaul's Anvil
Glittering Tower Lighthouse
Sacred Shrine of Asuryan (Or phoenix flame's Shrine)
The Moving Isles

_Naggaroth
Blood Cauldron of Khaine
Altar of Ultimate Darkness
Watch Keeps Edification

_Athel Loren
Oak of Ages
Waterfall Palace
Tower of the Eternal Wood
Sentinels Stones
Beast Council

_Greenskins:
Da Idol of Gork and Mork
Gork and Mork Avatars (2 Huge armed siege towers)

_Ogres kingdom
Skytitan palace

_Beastmen:
The Tree of hangeds

_Lizardmen:
Stellar Pyramids of sky
Constellation Temple
Pyramid of Dawn
Obsidian Column

Other wonder possible:
The Black Library
Crater of Resurection

I've long since figured out a lot of my texturing ills if there's ever a need for any of my older crap buildings.

I've long since figured out a lot of my texturing ills if there's ever a need for any of my older crap buildings.
Sure. Still using that tanner and wheelwright of yours. If you can make those blend better with the terrain that would be awesome.:)

Here are my suggestions for wonders and again it is only suggestions, don't want to minor the wonderful job already done:

_Empire:
The 8 Colleges of Magic(will be single "wonders with the opportunity to train the according mages)
Leon Brachwurster Mechanic Menagery(sounds fun-need fluff)
The Automorial (dito)
The Thaumadivinator (dito)
Emperor Boris Fluvial Mausoleum (dito)
Strichenfloch Enrolment Post (dito)
(the former 5 are from the latest WH rule book)
The Suiddock (definitly going in)
The Jade Griffon Altar (need fluff)
The Moot (maybe a feature that allows building of halfling units whoever has his cultural borders on it)
Alde Weirde's Incunabulum (need fluff)

_Bretonnia:
Great Cathedral of the Holy Grail (Greater Tempel already in)

_Tilea:
Mercenary Guilds Charter (yep)
Merchant's guilds Charter (yep)

_Araby:
The Great Bazaar (already in)
The Djiins Palace (already in as Palace of the Wizard Caliph - should enable building Djinns of course)

_Cathay:
The great Bastion (already in)
Fireworks (yes is planned)

_Nippon:
Tower of the Rising Sun (isn't that Highelven? - already in)
Thieves Guilds charter (yes planned)

_Ind:
Floating Garden (already in)

_Chaos:
_The March Fortress (need fluff)
_The Monsters Dale (dito)
_The Hill of Bones (dito)
_Great Monolith of the Horrid Beast (dito)

_Khemri:
The Spring of Eternal Life (planned)
The Black Pyramid (already in)
Pillar of Skulls (planned)
The Pyramid of Eternity (already in)

_Dwarves:
Great anvil of Doom (planned)
Bugman's Brewery (already in)
Engineer's Guilds Charter