Just want to start off by saying thanks to everyone who works on this Mod, its an excellent piece of work, and a heck of a lot of fun. That aside, I'd like to know who (if anyone) is interested in playing FfH2 multiplayer; by email or Pitboss server. PM or post here if your interested. If you are willing to run a pitboss server that would be great. I have a decent PC which I believe could run a server, but I have never done it, and I'm not sure it could handle being up 24/7... Anyway, let me know if your interested!

Just keep in mind that you need to avoid targeted spells in multiplayer when you play - they cause Out of Synch errors.

Well I would like to play, but I never ran a Pitboss server and I doubt my PC can do it.

Already said I do in the PBEM forum :) perhaps you should put a link to the other forum and sort it all out there?

You people are incredible... http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=174177 Thats my other thread for a ffh Multiplayer. Gonna switch most of my posting to there... and about to pose a question there, so everyone go and check it out and reply.

Not much time left to join the above game, it'll be using version .13b I believe

I played a FfH 0.13 game recently with a friend and we got an out-of-sync error even though we both didn't cast a targeted spell. I don't remember the exact details, but I think we did see a targeted spell. This leads me to believe that an AI may have casted a targeted spell. If that's the case, than multiplayer FfH is now out of the question, until either the out-of-sync bug is fixed or the mage AI is somehow disabled.

The out of sync with targeted spells happens only for the Player (its correlated to the screen that comes up and information from that screen beeing only present on one of the pcs as far as i know.)

AIs targeted spells would not make trouble. (but they do not cast targeted spells atm)

I think we're only playing with human players anyway

I've pmed Project re: it. Would be cool multiplayer I think!

I would play multiplayer, but the computer that gets email is diffrent from the one that plays civ 4 : (
it would have to be a pitboss server thing, which i haven't even started to mess with...
(although if i host it, i'm sure my computer could handle it)

I just joined the Pitboss FFH2 game and I clicked to move my scout and warrior and also pressed the build city button for my settler. However none of them moved and the settler didn't build yet. Some other civs have a score of 35 which I assume means they built their city.

Is this meant to happen? Shouldn't I build and move in turn 0? :confused:

Its because its not your turn yet. Some player before you didn´t played his turn yet, when he plays you will be able to play yours.

Thx for that! :)

i won't let me play my turn yet...
what version is everyone using?

I´m using version 2013d

have you tried to play yet?

i think i may have gotten to the leaders in classic mode by accident the first time...

it won't even let me look at my starting position

Had problems joining the game- some error saying the save was protected in case of changes to the mods folder. Are we still using .13d?

Ya i have this problem too... something in the assets folder

I didn't get this problem, however I remember reading something about calling the assets folder assets.old and creating a new blank assets folder. Don't try this without confirmation plz as it may be related to something entirely different!!!


Can someone tell us how to make sure Pitboss runs as simultaneous moves please???

*bump*

I am now getting an error which says
The save file you have selected is protected to ensure that the assets in your mod folder have not been changed
The game then exits.

I was not getting this error before btw.

Im getting the same error as Bad Player...

Does anyone have any suggestions? We're all getting the same error

Umm, how does this work? I'm trying it under multi-player, direct IP, but it keeps timing out...
oh, it's probably cause I'm a couple days late...:blush:

no... becuase of the error no one actually got a game started, as far as i can tell...

Relaunching the game now with advice from OverloadUT, we will see if it works. I'll send out an email with the info, again ;)

So, what happened ? Where is the e-mail ? Having problems launching the server ?

Did you get the last email? He's launching a server today (Thursday), and will send another email when it's up

Oh, I didn´t get it or my stupid brother deleted it, one of the two >.<

Correct, except that today is wednesday.

Hehe, sorry for the confusion... I'll put the server up in a little while now.

plz remember to give me a name in the server...

When I connect via direct-ip to the FFH2 Pitboss game I get a message saying (trying to remember word for word) "Warning: Our files do not match host's" (or very similar wording).

It then lets me in to choose my civ and give myself a password but I can't go any further (ie can't enter game).

I'm not sure if I'm the only one getting this. Is there a way to check if I/we have the d patch installed or whatever file issues need addressing?

Ok so this morning I start up my computer and try to get into FFH2 pitboss game. I don't get the file mismatch error!!! :D

But now after I enter my password for the Lanun and try to get into the game it says:
The save file you have selected is protected to ensure that the assets in your mod folder have not been changed.


This is the same error as before btw and the game exits after pressing OK.

This multiplayer is screwed, maybe is some player that entered... remenber the first times we could play normally

Yeah I could play the very first game... Maybe we should run a test server with just 2 or 3 of us original players - see if it works OK then.

In the original game we didn't have simultaneous moves though which slows the game a lot.

Maybe try to create a game whidout simultaneus moves, just to test if its that whats causing this trouble. If it is, we will have to play whidout it =/

We should only test 1 thing at a time. Simultaneous moves makes it go so much faster though :( .

What we are alredy testing ?? o_0

I meant if we run a test server with only 2 or 3 people.

Oh ok, that is a good idea too

Hey guys, I noticed something that may bar mentioning but the time and day issue........these mods get players from both sides of the international date line.......so when timing things remember to be on the same day......or realize wednesday and thursday may be the same day...

..I'm US central and am not involved at this time my games are still dry-dock offline but I play Hotseat about 1/4 of the time........However I talk to people in places like Romania and Israel at times and geeks from all over pretty regular.

:) ........Just thought I should mention it for timing sake........even if you guys are already on this line of thinking a new member may need this post or they may slip and not think of it.

We can't play multiplayer :(

Is this a permanent Problem or one that time will change?

We were using pitboss (check previous posts) and we couldn't get it to run even after asking here and in the multiplayer forum.

Hopefully not permanent!!!

Maybe we should try with the latest version??

I'm totally up for it!! I would love to play multiplayer!!!

EDIT: To test it could we try getting 2 ppl playing, then 3, then 4 etc and find out if it's one or two players causing the problem?

Count me in o_0

If this works at all Hian the Frog and myself would like to know and later on be included, if possible, thanks. I can wait awhile because I have a hardwrare issue to fix first but still would like to know if anything works......feel free to write if anything exciting happens and I'll write back.

Has anyone tried MP (non PBEM and non pitboss) in the MP lobby? Just curious??
I have done MP many times on a LAN setup, and had no problems. Of course.... that was a couple of versions ago.

Yeah we were trying pitboss because of timezones (I'm in Australia) so it's ok if it's the weekend and not some obscure hour for me but that probably would stuff everyone else up!!! :(

*bump*

Anyone want to start a game (regular FFH2 not pitboss) in a few hours time?

Well, maybe I can, if its not too late. Its 22:30 here, and I dont want to start playing at 2:00 AM =O

That's the problem :( Timezones :( :(

I think it would take a few hours to play a game - it's 12 PM here so I can have some flexibility...


I was hoping to catch ppl early saturday morning for a game! So it's 10 PM New York time and 4 AM Paris time...:mad:


Julius I'm down for playing anytime now onwards if there's a couple of other ppl who are also ready... HINT HINT

I have a hardware Issue that will probraly take a week or so.....then i be up for it for sure and I'll try to work with who evers schedule Ok........but I can't use the comp Ive been testing the mod on It is an offline system only(dry dock so to speak) I will let you all know when this comp is play worthy.....need just a mite more of RAM........I think this video card will work fine......

Julius Bloodmoon may be available this Sunday (American time) - waiting to find out - is anyone else up for a game (regular FFH2 server, not pitboss)?

Well Julius Bloodmoon and I are hoping to have a game in about 19 hours time - if anyone else is interested plz yell out!

I would be willing to play a regular MP (non PBEM, non pitboss), but I am on USA EST. I should be available Sat. all day (11am est til whenever) and Sun. until about 5:30-6pm EST. If you gys are still interested, let me know.

Julius Bloodmoon is on American time so that should be ok too hopefully but for me the problem is that 11AM for Americans is about 11PM for me (EST Australia).

Actually i dont think im on American time, as i dont live in the USA... Hey just say what time is it now for you guys. Here now its 18:53

6:37pm EST. (18:37PM EST)

Nice your only 1 hour behind me, will be easy for me and you to play together...

It's 9:15 PM for me now (original post time, not edit post time!)

Can you just say which major city is in the time zone you are in, e.g. for me it is Queensland/Brisbane.

OMG your 13 hours after me o_0.

Set up a game where you start Friday at night for Bad Player and Saturday morning for everyone else lol.

If someone leaves a game in progress does the AI take over for them? It could be fun to play a game where AI's take over some times (and then you come back and bam! AI has screwed you over badly and left you with a single Warrior).

Hahaha =P bet wel do that, start a game on friday night while Bad Player is on Saturday morning =D

oops, ya i mixed up the peoples, a friday night game for most and it'd be a saturday morning for bad :P that works out better too, since then theres an extra 2 hours of game play

I don't mind getting up early on Saturday to play FFH2 multiplayer - it's worth it!!!

There's basically a 12 hour time difference for us so what time of the evening do you guys want to start?

Also I suggest that we meet in this forum so we can see eachother and then start FFH2 up (any other suggestions on how to meet up? Give a GMT we should all be here?).

Friday... Humm I´l be avaiable from 9:00 PM (your 10:00 AM and Lord Vermillion´s 8:00 PM) to 4:00 AM (?).

Thats about perfect for me, I get off work at 8:00 pm USA EST. Im a nite owl, and gaming 'til 4am is nothing new :)

Then we meet at forum first on Friday... Then we play till 4 AM :crazyeye:

I should be ready to play (getting settled in from work and what not) around 8:30 USA EST. I may be able to recruit a buddy of mine to play with us also. Did u guys want to co-op (vs. the AI) or FFA, or just do what ever? thoughts?? If we co-op, we dont necessarily have to do it in "team" format, but can still work together. Im up for anything. :cool:

My opinion is start FFA, but if 2 or more want to team up as the game progress, no problem. We should leave "Permanent Alliances" on, it will be more fun =P

Yeah I'd like to be able to compete against human players, not so sure about permanent alliances though..

What skill setting are we going to use and who is going to host the server? Could an American host the server please because my ping for European servers is awful?

So FFA then. Sounds good to me. Looks like 3 of us so far. I will see if I can get a friend of mine to join also, but so far I havnet been able to contact him. Im thinking if whoever hosts it just puts FFH2 as the game title in the lobby we should be able to find it quite easily. Hopefully we can get a few more people on board. Also...noone has dial up do they?? If so that could become an issue.

I could be up for the game, though not sure i could stay up til 4AM EST O_o

Well, whomever hosts the game can keep the save, and we could continue the next weekend if everyone agrees.

I never host, and I think I actually can´t host... But, if no one elses wants to, I can try. Oh, about civs, will it be random or we choose them ? And what will be the map settings ?

peronsally i tend towards:
deity
raging barbs
standard map size
Classical for tech (gets the game going quicker)
Quick
highlands (or other maps with large amounts of land)
and never random civs (getting stuck with undevelopped ones like the Sidar wouldn't be fun)

heh, we´re on different levels here. If we play Deity Raging Barbs, I´l be out of the game by year 50. xP

lol

the trick is to start at classical, build every city on a hill, and pump out archers until they become so experienced they don't get hurt at all by barbs, then start making settlers grouped with them and take over key defensive positions to block barbs access to your original cities.
but i usually roam around with my settler until i find a highly defensible position.

But since its FFA, deity basically just handicaps all players so it evens out, so the difficulty doesn't really matter.

Raging barbs deity.. im used to it so it doesnt seem so bad to me, and i usually want it for challenge (not saying im good at the game or anything, just that i like fighting tooth and nail to make it interesting). But i'm sure human players won't be so easy to predict or appease.

I think its better to put a lower difficulty setting, exactly because there will be human players to worry, and I prefer a million times be destroyed by another human than by the AI xP

Edit: Im playing a game Deity Raging Barbs now to test it out =D

ya, when theres AI's i need either constant war or raging barbs to really make it interesting, with all humans difficulty is just deciding the rate at which we can expand.

deity raging barbs can be tough but classical and hill cities with archers gets me through it every time. if barbs had bombard on one of the units they send against then i'd be worried, but as it stands, they've got no impressive seige engines.

in the mid game (around the year 200 or so on Quick) you'll prolly want to get longbowmen (my high xp archers were still going strong, but i had Raider so they had tons of xp)

not sure if it would work for dwarves or elves though, since the reason its so good is that normal archers have +50% city def and +25% hill def (elf archers don't get either, and dwarves don't have archers).
that leads to +75% from basic archers abilities, and +25% from the hill, so an archer with 0xp is counting as 6 strength with 1 first strike. you start adding promotions on that, and cultural defense modifier, and then walls, and they become unstoppable as far as barbs are considered.

lol =D

What civ/map you recommend to play on these settings ? (Deity/Raging Barbs)

i used to play:
Hghlands (lots of hills so many good city positions, and lots of good choke points so you can section off land where you can improve it and barbs cant get to it)
-with Seas
-with Dense Mountain Chains
Quick
Classical Tech
Standard number of AI's as the map gives automatically
Require Complete Kills (sometimes things go badly and its fun to see how long you can last lol)

I also play "No tech trading" so i can be insular without being out-teched at insane rates (the AI's will trade like mad if given the chance).

i don't play Highlands anymore since i found the Smartmap map script. You can get some nice maps with that script that have a large protion of land, with neat things like map sides connected AND top and bottom of map connected(donut!).

Heh, when I use smartmap i get some crazyness like FloodPlains/Grassland (5 food uninproveed o_0) and somethings I get all plains whidout any food/happiness resource, even whidout setting these things...

ya i love the new variety :D
like hills/plains/foodplains

i like the.. cant remember the name of it, but it makes it so the center of the map is the coldest place :P

hehe one day I started a game as Lanun and I was bored, so I started smartmap whit some options like "very high lvls of resources, all grass," etc. and I got an island whit 3 cityes, in the island (and in the water) there were like 30 resources lol

ya thats great, high resource amounts makes it interesting, though it usually destroys any trading (since they likely have everything and so do you lol)

Ya lol, but it makes some great city sites, my 3 cities were growing at 2-3 turns, even at huge pop like 15... lol

i find it really useful for making maps that are good for all ranges of players. Like Lanun can find great city sites (do a fragmented coastline and you'll get many peninsulas and little islands all over the place) while maintaining a huge center island with the map having large amounts of land space, so other civs are at their best as well.

peronsally i tend towards:
deity
raging barbs
standard map size
Classical for tech (gets the game going quicker)
Quick
highlands (or other maps with large amounts of land)
and never random civs (getting stuck with undevelopped ones like the Sidar wouldn't be fun)
Look at my forum name - raging barbs on deity!?!?

I'd put my vote in for normal or epic game length.

@Lord Vermillion:
I have ADSL1 but I'm in Australia so it's not much better than you playing dialup in your country with my overseas ping - hence my desire for an American server. My ping is about 450 in Europe!!!:mad:


Where can I get this smartmap script plz? Are we using it for our game?

dunno about smartmap for multiplayer, it has longer loading times and multiplayer makes for long loading times by itself.

heres the thread for smartmap:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=154989

im a fan of quicker for multiplayer since multiplayer usually goes slower and its nice to not be pressing "end turn" doing nothing each turn :P
so of epic and normal i choose normal

difficulty can go right down as far as im concerned, since higher difficulty would just handicap us all and when humans are concerned i just play for fun not to win :D

I would vote for normal or quick, any of the two is okay to me. What will be the map settings ? (we aren´t going to use smartmap, right ?)

i vote against smartmap, it tends to take longer and multiplayer slows startup down enough already (and getting off to a bad start isn't good).

im in favour of:
standard size
highlands map
seas
dense peaks
ridgelines

though does everyone know what civ they want to be? that could help determine map type, since no one wants a purely land based game if they're gonna be lanun (highlands with seas is alright though, if lanun can get on one of the seas), and conversely, we don't want many little islands if one person alone is gonna be lanun, and a tropical world is bad if someone is Doviello. Lots of civ based considerations.

I think i might try Keelyn, ive been meaning to try the balseraphs.

When I try to play Highlands on standart, my PC lags alot (sorry... my PC is a *cough* litlle outdated *cough*)

I´l go as Ethne the White of the Elohim or Flauros of the Calabim, any of the 2 is good to me.

I'd like to be Alexis of the Calabim please.

maybe standard terra? that would give us the fun mid game of colonizing the new world.
or medium sized highlands? standard map is standardly 6 players anyways, and i think theres 4 of us?

another option that would be nice, Require Complete Kills (when i lose all my cities i like to atleast play until i lose all my units :P )

xP Standart are 7 players...

We could play Terra Map, these are always fun... I guess im going as Lanun them xP

Im excited to do this! I am open to pretty much anything, but I personally like highlands myself. Unfortunately with highlands on MP, someone usually gets stuck with really bad land. As far as civ picks go, I am open. I like Malkim, Elohim, Amurites, Hippus, Balseraphs, and Calabim. so any of those are good for me:) I figured I would just see who was left out of those after all of you are done, then make my pick. Back to the map, I would like to do highlands, I just dont want to see someone get screwed on land, thats not to fun. I guess we can experiment with it. I guess I can try to host, I have been able to in the past. Remember I wont be ready until about 8:30 USA EST, so if I host, the game wont be up until then. I was thinking around 8:30 I will post the game name (FFH2) and password on here. Thoughts??


btw... Terra can be fun also.:)

sounds good, highlands medium or terra standard both work for me.

So far it seems like:
Sureshot - Keelyn of Balseraphs
Bad Player - Alexis of Calabim
JuliusBloodmoon - Ethne the White of Elohim or Lanun
Lord Vermillion - Malakim, Amurites or Hippus

and
Size: Standard (or medium)
Gamespeed: Normal
Terra (or Highlands)
Require complete kills
Noble?
Raging barbs?
No AI's
FFA

No problem from me. Im going to be Elohim (Ethne the White) and Bad Player is going to be Calabim (Alexis). I guess Sureshot is going to be Balseraphs (Keelyn) ?

So far (updated) it seems like:
Sureshot - Keelyn of Balseraphs
Bad Player - Alexis of Calabim
JuliusBloodmoon - Ethne the White of Elohim
Lord Vermillion - Malakim, Amurites or Hippus

Size: Standard (or medium)
Gamespeed: Normal
Terra (or Highlands)
Require complete kills
Noble?
Raging barbs?
No AI's
FFA

Terra Terra Terra Terra Terra yay =P

Raging Barbs for me is ok... if only us 4 are going to play, lets put 2 AI Random civs... just to fill the map up (going to be Standart, right ?)

Wow Raging Barbs on Terra map ? It will be a hard continent to invade lol

thats the fun of it, with terra you get a generally smaller initial landmass, so we'll likely fill it up quickly (which means the end of barbs on that continent).

personally id like no AI's so theres more room for us to expand (and that way no one gets lucky and meets them first or conquers them first, or potentially gets conquered by them lol) :P

So far (updated) it seems like:
Sureshot - Keelyn of Balseraphs
Bad Player - Alexis of Calabim
JuliusBloodmoon - Ethne the White of Elohim
Lord Vermillion - Malakim, Amurites or Hippus

Size: Standard (or medium)
Gamespeed: Normal
Terra! (or Highlands)
Require complete kills
Noble?
Raging barbs
No AI's?
FFA

Lol i started a game to train, my starting location was next to other civs location, I could see his settler, worker, scout warriors etc froom turn 1 =P

Of course I took the chance and landlocked them muahuahuahuahua *cough* sorry *cough*

Hey, lets also put "High Sea Level" and "Temperate Climate", everyone agrees ?

I'm fine with temperate (with raging barbs i usually prefer rocky, but without deity it should be easier to handle).
Why high sea level though? won't that mean less land for us?

Are we allowing tech trading?

Also I think perhaps having AI will stop us killing eachother right at the start!

So can Vermillion host since he is USA?

Important: Is American EST 08:30 PM the time of 11:30 AM Australian EST (ie Queensland) - can you please give me the GMT that everyone will be ready at?

So far (updated) it seems like:
Sureshot - Keelyn of Balseraphs
Bad Player - Alexis of Calabim
JuliusBloodmoon - Ethne the White of Elohim
Lord Vermillion - Malakim, Amurites or Hippus

Size: Standard (or medium)
Gamespeed: Normal
Terra yay! (or Highlands)
Temperate (or rocky?)
High sea level?
Require complete kills
Noble?
Raging barbs
No AI's?
FFA

I guess Ill do Malakim. Terra will be wild with 4. I will try to give my buddy call around 5PM (my time) to see if hes interested, so we can maybe get 5?

I have to lunch now, and I dont remenber my GMT, but I think its +3 ? Well I live in Rio de Janeiro, Brasil, if someone can figure it out thx. No tech trading seems better, and I want High Sea Level for more sea, but if you guys want more land for me its fine...

Are we allowing tech trading?

Also I think perhaps having AI will stop us killing eachother right at the start!

So can Vermillion host since he is USA?

Important: Is American EST 08:30 PM the time of 11:30 AM Australian EST (ie Queensland) - can you please give me the GMT that everyone will be ready at?
I usually play No tech trading, what is all your preferences?

AI's can be good for that, but it'll bunch people up more (and who knows, Julius might be forced to block YOU in lol). And the AI's could have adverse or beneficial effects to those around them.

Sounds good to me for Vermillion to host.

I'm horrible with time zones, but i'll be ready by 8:30 PM EST. I thought the australian time was 13 hours after EST? so like it would be 9:30 AM there?

So far (updated) it seems like:
Sureshot - Keelyn of Balseraphs
Bad Player - Alexis of Calabim
JuliusBloodmoon - Ethne the White of Elohim
Lord Vermillion - Malakim
Lord Vermillions friend - unknown

Size: Standard (or medium)
Gamespeed: Normal
Terra yay! (or Highlands)
Temperate (or rocky?)
High sea level?
Require complete kills
No tech trading
Noble?
Raging barbs
No AI's?
FFA

oki, ive checked out timezones:
EST is GMT-5
Brasilia is GMT-3
I'm not sure about Eastern australian time (i just double clicked the clock for winXP and checked timezones)

Basically, the game will start in 7 hours and 40 minutes.

oki, ive checked out timezones:
EST is GMT-5
Brasilia is GMT-3
I'm not sure about Eastern australian time (i just double clicked the clock for winXP and checked timezones)

Basically, the game will start in 7 hours and 40 minutes.



That sounds about right ;)

Yay ! Can´t wait to play woot

At what time does this game take place? Can't wait to hear results :P

In aprox. 7 hours and 25 minutes (~) from now...

Hey we are going to start on Ancient Era or on Classical Era ??

i can deal with either, my preference is Classical (so you start with a few units and can build improvements)

So far (updated) it seems like:
Sureshot - Keelyn of Balseraphs
Bad Player - Alexis of Calabim
JuliusBloodmoon - Ethne the White of Elohim
Lord Vermillion - Malakim
Lord Vermillions friend - unknown

Size: Standard (or medium)
Gamespeed: Normal
Terra yay! (or Highlands)
Temperate (or rocky?)
High sea level?
Ancient or Classical?
No tech trading
Require complete kills
Noble?
Raging barbs
No AI's?
FFA

For me either is good too... Lets see what the rest think.

Settings look good, although I personally am still torn between highlands and terra, both can be way fun. Maybe we just decide in launch screen? Normal speed may drag a bit in mp, but I'll deal with it :P.

i like a highlands map because of the hills and high land ratio of the map (smartmap gives great options for getting high land ratios too - but thatd prolly be slow on startin) but terra is always fun with the whole new world to explore later.
i favour quick too, but i can deal with normal :P

GRRRRRRRRRR ARGHHHHH Curse the woman!!!!! (no offense to any women on here) I may have to delay this game a bit, say...maybe an hour. The woman is giving me tons of crap. I dont know. It is 7:00 PM EST here, and i will be leaving in 1 hour. hopefully I will be able to get things going by 9:00 PM EST. if not, well I guess carry on without me, unless you guys can wait.
Isn't it amazing how you can love someone and hate them at the same time??!!! :p I will post on here about 8:15ish my time, and let everyone know. (I dont expect anyone to wait for me for extended periods of time by any means)

im sure the australian person will appreciate the extra time getting up lol

Just got home, avaiable to play for now on.

ya im ready whenever

Now we just wait Bad Player to awaken from his dreams and Lord Vermillion to escape from "The Woman" xP

im sure the australian person will appreciate the extra time getting up lol
Not really - I'm up now! :P

=D

Cool ! Only Lord Vermillion then !

hmm.. have either of you tried a standard size terra map high sea level with 5 players? i just tried it and it was a stretch to get 2-3 cities for each civ on the main continent. if we put any ai's its gonna be hard battling just for your second city i think.

Ahn ? Normally I pull off 3 cities or 2 "ideal" cities.... If I go to war soon I can get up to 7 cities...

Well, Maybe we should just play Continents then ?

terra standard high sea level has about 18 idea cities sites, so only 2 people are gonna manage 7 cities and one person will own 4 and someone is gonna be wiped out very early lol im really thinkin we should avoid ai's and lower the sea level

Humm... I never played on lower sea levels, maybe I´l lag....

I've mainly played continents and I thought it was ok..

more land makes more lag?

well terra is alright, but i don't think we should have any AI's, or we'll all have trouble getting started

what about medium sea level?

More land = more cities = more unit/worker/improvments/etc = more lag for my crappy old pc T_T

ah oki, i always thought map size (regardless of land ratio) was the biggest lag causer. i don't notice much difference between terra and highlands, but i notice a huge difference between any standard map and a large map.
but then no ai's on terra high sea level? im really not liking being the one stuck with AI's taking my city sites, and it'll be random who gets stuck with em.

woops, i didnt see the whole discussion about continents lol

id be up for that

No, we can play medium or low sea levels... It won´t matter THAT much...

Edit: Or continents, you guys decide...

So far (updated) it seems like:
Sureshot - Keelyn of Balseraphs
Bad Player - Alexis of Calabim
JuliusBloodmoon - Ethne the White of Elohim
Lord Vermillion - Malakim
Lord Vermillions friend - unknown

Size: Standard (or medium)
Gamespeed: Normal
Terra yay! (or continents or Highlands?)
Temperate (or rocky?)
High sea level?
Classical era?
No tech trading
Require complete kills
Noble?
Raging barbs
No AI's?
FFA

im leaning towards:
high sea level
standard map size
quick game
continents
rocky terrain
no AI's
classical era

but im up for any of the possibilities we've come too

Agree. It will be Raging Barbs ? And classical start ?

woops, ya meant to say im leaning towards classical too.. and with continents, raging barbs is prolly a good idea to add some challenge early on (first defeat barbs, then fill up the continent, then conquer the world!!)

lol ! ok... but on noble the barbs will be too easy (?), no ?

they're be easily manageable
i tested it and after about 10-20 turns or so they started sending occasional axemen, goblins, and spearmen. but it shouldnt be too hard to explore and sentry your entire continent thus eliminating their ability to spawn there.

all the water is making me want to go Lanun lol

xP

Can you have 2 same civs but whit diferent leaders on the same game ? I dont know if I go Ethne the White (Elohim) or Flauros (Calabim).....

yes, you can even have two of the same leader.

Humm... So I will think a little more and decide if I will ensure peace in the world and become an utopia or if I will icely destroy my enemies, feasting on their bloods, and reward my allies. xP

hmm.. ive been trying out continents and terra maps... really like the look of terra maps, they always have such neat features

Seems that Lord Vermillion won´t play ? =/

He said he would leave a message here almost a hour ago...

I have only ever started from the beginning era not classical - I kinda like founding my own cities and stuff but then again I've never played from a classical start...

Classical era you also found your own cities... you begin whit 1 settler 1 archer 1 warrior 1 worker and 1 scout, and all Ancient era techs researched (mining, hunting, exploration, etc)

ah poo, can bad player host?

classical is nice because you start with enough units to defend yourself and get started on improvements (you get a worker and most techs needed for most improvements)

OK, Im here. very sorry for all the delay. I hope you guys haven't started. If so, I'll catch up next time.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yy

I´m ready ! I´m ready ! I´m ready!

(Quote to Spongebob Squarepants LOL)

Lets play then... All settings are alredy defined ?

nice :P what ip and all that (like password) do we connect to?

I can host sure but I hope you don't live in Europe!! (450 ping)

Vermillion are you going to host now?

Do we just go in the usual way (except via FFH2) or do we need IP?

I think this is it...

So far (updated) it seems like:
Sureshot - Keelyn of Balseraphs or Hannah i dont know!!!
Bad Player - Alexis of Calabim
JuliusBloodmoon - Ethne the White of Elohim
Lord Vermillion - Malakim
Lord Vermillions friend - unknown

Size: Standard (or medium)
Gamespeed: Quick?
Terra or continents?
Temperate (or rocky?)
High sea level?
Classical era?
No tech trading
Require complete kills
Noble?
Raging barbs
No AI's
FFA

Sureshot - Keelyn of Balseraphs
Bad Player - Alexis of Calabim
JuliusBloodmoon - Ethne the White of Elohim
Lord Vermillion - Malakim

Size: Standard
Gamespeed: Normal
Terra yay!
Temperate
Medium sea level
Classical era
No tech trading
Require complete kills
Noble
Raging barbs
No AI's
FFA

We going to use this ?

Edit: Damm Sureshot is faster.

the only multiplayer games i have experience with is direct IP games

Everyone here then? No luck with my buddy:( Oh well, he can play next time. OK, if eveyones here, I will put a game in the lobby. the name will be ffh2 and the PW: late :p

ya thats me, fast and sure

(lol, so fast in fact, the forum just told me "You must wait atleast 3 more seconds to post again" :D)

xP

I can barely wait to....

Be destroyed by someone u.u

Lol...

Where´s the game ? Where´s the game ? ^_^

game should be up in about 10 min (with load time)

lobby? O_o ive never played through gamespy.. gah

Ahhh more wait T_T I got all excited for nothing.... xP

u wanna do direct ip?

I wanna play u.u

Seriously now, what you guys think is better ? Anyone knows if one has more/less lag than the other ?

We get in by opening FFH2 then from main menu -> multiplayer -> internet games (not direct IP) -> login with password -> join FFH2 game.

You may need a gamespy account to do this method?...

You do need.... Just register ingame.

Edit: Lord Vermillion, please tell when the game is up. =]

correct, and try to use your name from this forum so we can all be on the same page

I can get in via that method but I wasn't sure about Sureshot...

My gamespy thingy is under Convo...

Well my nick is Julius... Pretty simple, uh ? ^_^

Highlands map ??? It was going to be Terra map.... Well, nevermind now... (T_T)

hmm. i tried to create an account and it was a no go and then i spammed it hoping it was being slow and lost connection lol
never tried gamespy method before, i might be a while figuring this out.. not sure if i even have gamespy installed O_o

Well... Try to make a acc again... I remenber it was pretty easy to do... =/ Im in game whit Lord Vermillion alredy (didnt start, only in the lobby)

Remenber the game is "ffh2" whidout the " thingies and the password is "late" whidout the " thingies again

If you have too much trouble we can do direct IP..

sorry bout this, didnt realize we'd do gamespy method, ive only played direct ip games before and think i might have to install gamespy to get it to work?

Err... I think so... =/

Its too long to install ? Or wanna do direct IP ?

gah, i thought one of the cds had gamespy on it atleast but it doesnt seem to :[

It has... The game asks if you want to isntall gamespy when you install it...

But we can make direct IP if you want

hmm.. will reinstalling it cause any problems? one sec, hopefully i can just install gamespy without reinstalling the whole thing

nope, when i try to reinstall it just asks me if i want to uninstall everything :/

Well we can do Direct IP then

oki, just let me know where to connect and ill be ready

Lord Vermillion, tell when game is up plz...

I'm in. char limit..

Ya, im in too.

game 1:
Sureshot wins because she had her own continent and is just so spectacular in every regard.

PPL should post their hours they can play (Sat mornign for you guys!) so we can play more later (after u get some sleep)!


I had my own continent too! And my own religion! :P

lol
ok game up, and i will remember the raging barbs :P

Sorry guys my Civilization IV closed from nothing T_T

ok we are waitng for you to rejoin :)

K... Im waiting for it to open up again o_0

Much Fun!!!!

good game so far :D

We can try tomorrow for part II. You two are in the lead, but were creeping up :)

Very fun indeed =P

I got off to a really sucky start because the raging barbs kept destroying all my improvements (with Orthus hanging around for ages)! Sureshot helped keep me in the game and now I'm just trying to make a comeback!

WoW. Well im going sleep now cya soon in the battlefield.

Hmm, so you guys got it working alright? Yay. If you do one next saturday morn, I think I'd be availible.

are there any problems with spells or whatnot?

We didn't get up to that stage I think..

We didn´t use any Targeted Spells yet, and its better not to use them... And we were thinking of continuing our ongoing game, but we can always start another.... Oh and I won´t be able to play today, only next week... Sorry guys.

we can start a new game next week with nikis, which means i win!!!!!!! lol

We didn´t use any Targeted Spells yet, and its better not to use them...

Talchas made some changes in the targeted spell system (although I heard they would only be fully implemented in 0.15) that might have fixed the multiplayer problems. I'd certainly like you to try it; if you get an OOS error you can still continue the game and agree not to use them anymore.

Well, we may try it then, for testing purposes.

wasn't there Spellcode fixes in 0.14? i thought that fixed the OOS multuiplayer errors?

But someone said in other thread that it is still a problem...

ah, i hadn't tested it yet

we can start a new game next week with nikis, which means i win!!!!!!! lol
huh? I think you are a touch overconfident:mischief:

just going on score if we don't play our game again.. not foretelling the next game lol
the game could have gone either way, but we were in the lead when we stopped :P

That means nothing lol :P

well, think of it like a time victory, when time runs out its all about score, plus we killed orthus!! orthus!!!

lol lets see who kills Acheron ;)

Nah just joking i hate killing that pesky dragon....

one greater werewolf with city raiders and some strength promotions can get him in one go (atleast i did that before successfully O_o)

one greater werewolf with city raiders and some strength promotions can get him in one go (atleast i did that before successfully O_o)


I know just the man for the job ;)

lol, ya when i saw that "They've built the baron" i was like, this game could go very very badly lol
though rangers tend to obliterate werewolves (and giants lol) im finding

lol you had more score but I think that we were better at it... ;P

i wish you had of fallen for my "big lanun navy coming at you" bluff lol

hehe ;P

And I was just starting my naval blockade... Muahuahuahua !

*cough* nevermind *cough*

I'm willing to play... It's summer break and I have nothing to do other than improve my play style :P (haven't played against actual players in a while)

luckily it happened after i ended the barbarians ability to enter my lands so now i got improvements started lol

Only now ? o_0

Dang I like the Elohim because of their Monks. OMG they eat lizzardman ass for breakfast.

So...anyone down for continuing tonite??? If not, if there are others that want to play, we could start a seperate one?? Any takers?

I can only play now at Friday or Saturday, because im back to school...

im up for another on friday, we could start a new game with same players as last time but with Deathling and Nikis added.. im thinkin free for all so we can enjoy the diplomacy :P

having the teams and auto-war was kinda boring cause there was very little interaction except with your team mates (we had a 4 player game but only really talkin with team mate cause you don't want to give away too much lol)

I'll play tonight? Its 06:02 on the 1st for me right now.

We could stat anew this fri. with new peeps, that sounds good. I also agree to the FFA. diplo can be great. We could still do no tech trading to avoid the tech hoarding. Im up for anything, but no rocky plz, Julius and I had super crappy land, all tundra and mountains on our continent. As for playing tonite, I am on USA EST (currently 4:33 PM), but I dont get off til 8PM (my time). If there is only 2 of us, we could co op against the AI? or ffa i dont care.



edit: Its the 31st of July here btw.

Okay, got you all synched up. So at 8 your time is that when you'll be ready or do you need to mow your lawn or anything first? I sent you an email you can get me on MSN if you like. Man I'm getting goose bumps about playing FFH with a real person.

8pm EST is decently early, id be up for that, how long do you hope to play til? tonight isn't gonna be a late night for me (id be up for it til around 12 or 1am EST tops likely)

that time sounds good sureshot. I have to pick up the kid from the sitters, then I should be home around 8:30ish my time. Last time we met here in the forums, then I hosted a direct IP game. We had very minimal lag, and 1 drop, thats it. It worked very well IMHO. I will check here around 8:30ish and see how many takers we have. :)

I'm cool with that. I don't mind either way but I am happy to play Blazing turn speed.

I can only play now at Friday or Saturday, because im back to school...


Thats ok, we will either continue our present game, or start anew with more peeps.

I must say that IMHO, FFH2 MP is waayyyy better than SP. Again...just my opinion. Any one else agree?

the multiplayer is especially fun because theres world events (like orthus' appeareance, or archerons) going on that everyone can appreciate (and its always fun to say "&*@%! ORTHUS COMING STRAIGHT FOR ME!!!!!")

the multiplayer is especially fun because theres world events (like orthus' appeareance, or archerons) going on that everyone can appreciate (and its always fun to say "&*@%! ORTHUS COMING STRAIGHT FOR ME!!!!!")


LOL! Ya, that coupled with raging barbs can be brutal.

its fun, starts the game off with everyone having a shadowy powerful common enemy to discuss and worry about (its the player civilizations against the barbarians!).

it'd be fun to do a game with Infernal as the enemy and make them super powerful (change their units to be really cheap for them to make and increase their strength), but that would require making a mod of the mod lol

I'm keen to get into it to kill other players to tell the truth.

or be killed lol

mostly i like the fact that if you do war against a human player they won't do blatantly stupid things making the victory hollow (AI's do some really dumb things at times).

I agree its even better in MP, I played it in LAN. I would like to play it in MP with you sooooo much but unfortunately I dont have ADSL at home. But maybe this winter... Or maybe even next week, I have something on my mind...

Would you guys like to post some screenshots and After Action Reports tomorrow? (I know that you don't want to give away your domestic secrets while game still lasts but I'm really interested in how will this game turn out) Just a short writeup by each player... It is balance testing after all ;)

i would have liked to see vermillions land after the barbs were through with him... thats one of the good things about teams though, you get to see what is going on in other peoples lands (like orthus rampaging through bad players lands pillaging like crazy with nothing either of us could do to stop him lol)

i would have liked to see vermillions land after the barbs were through with him... thats one of the good things about teams though, you get to see what is going on in other peoples lands (like orthus rampaging through bad players lands pillaging like crazy with nothing either of us could do to stop him lol)


My land was stellar, which is why I deceided to risk it and expand to get all of it. 3 food resources + copper in capital radius, and much of the same as far as I could see. :D . Well...it was all for not when the liz showed up lol. However, that is not the case in the current game......

Its the liz rangers u gotta worry about. 3 move worker thieves is what they are.

I'm keen to get into it to kill other players to tell the truth.

heh :lol: I see how you are ;)

what type of settings should we do?

and vermillion, watch out for the genocidal maniac!!! lol

Whos going to create the game? Gamespy lobby or Direct IP? Does Gamepy lobby work?

last time we played Direct IP and vermillion hosted

we played Raging Barbs, Quick, Continents map... i wouldnt mind trying a highlands map this time

i prefer direct ip as gamespy gives me troubles