Hey everyone!

I don’t get it I am playing as Japan , I attack a computer they hold somewhere between 4 and 6 techs more than me I have usefully taken all but 1 or 2 cities they are completely at my will but still they just offer me their 50 gold, I don’t get it facing certain extinction certainly whatever I offer them they should accept

Enemy 2, I have taken half their cities they have 3 techs more than me in peace I offer them back their cities as my point of invasion was to get their techs , when I offer them their cities back they say they don’t want them for anything?

I am not understanding the AI in this game why when facing annihilation they don’t push for peace they just soak it up?


Although this sounds like a “rant” its not meant to be I actually enjoy this game but if I want to play aggressively I remember a quote from Rome Total War load screen
“ Don’t fight a war if you have anything to gain”
I mean sure the objective is conquest or domination but I could just as easy when via space or culture so just defending my boarders seems just as effective as they computer never attack well,

The reason they won't give you any tech with only 2 cities left is by that point they are as good as out of the game, so why would they give you everything they have? Its much easier to get an ai giving up everything they have (techs, world map, gold, gold per turn) if you talk to them after taking just one or two cities and they still consider themselves a major force.

Would you give up all your tech in a multiplayer game after he's left you facing hours of meaningless play with only 2 cities? Or would you hold out and have him wipe you out completely just to stop him benefitting more?

I personally love this about the ai, its much more realistic in my opinion.

I find it entertaining when the AI comes on and asks to buy an expensive Tech for only 50 gold.

I find it entertaining when the log says "The Incan civilization has been destroyed." Foolish psycho. Next time he'll give me what I want!!! Another war tactic that I like to use is the Cripple-Sue for peace-Eliminate technique. Just beat them down until you could easily finish them off and they don't have any cottages for research(but they don't know that), get a few free techs, then kill them in ten turns. It is very effective.

I think at a certain point they don't believe you really intend your offer of peace any longer than the 10-turn obligation, and thus it judges it may use those techs to more advantage by not giving them to you, so that you leave them alive in the hope that perhaps later they will give them up...

It also makes a difference which ai you're at war with i think. I cant remember if i've ever had tech from the likes of tokugawa when he's been virtually defeated (or at any point of the game for that matter), whereas hatty gives me everything she's got when down to one city every game i've played, and always gives in to demands from then onwards until i decide to finish her off.

As for the second point, AIs never accept tit-for-tat trade agreements when concluding a war. The loser pays the winner, and that's the only way the AI will have it.

Also, you may have noticed that trades are often restricted to like-trades. If you offer Techs, only Gold and Techs will be available for trade. If you offer Resources, only GPT and Resources will be tradeable.

It also makes a difference which ai you're at war with i think. I cant remember if i've ever had tech from the likes of tokugawa when he's been virtually defeated (or at any point of the game for that matter), whereas hatty gives me everything she's got when down to one city every game i've played, and always gives in to demands from then onwards until i decide to finish her off.

This is the key, I believe. Don't expect Aggressive Civs to give you as much (if anything). I think the other key is how lopsided the war has been, in terms of how many units and cities they have lost vs. your losses. I don't think the AI has any concept of "they are going to kill me off anyway".

This is the key, I believe. Don't expect Aggressive Civs to give you as much (if anything). I think the other key is how lopsided the war has been, in terms of how many units and cities they have lost vs. your losses. I don't think the AI has any concept of "they are going to kill me off anyway".
It can happen, although rarely. Yesterday I was playing a Monarch game as Mansa, and Montezuma declared war on me, despite being half a continent away. I had only four cities, but I turtled up with Skirmishers, Axemen and a few Spearmen to specifically counter his Horse Archers and Chariots. After one initial victory (Taking my Confucist Holy City, which I retook not three turns later, annihilating the remains of his initial stack) he didn't make any progress. He probably marched at least ten to twelve stacks into my borders, each with 5-10 units (Mostly Jaguars) and I slaughtered them all. For the longest time, he wanted the Confucist Holy City in return for peace. (Needless to say, I told him where he could stick his offer) Eventually though, he gave up and gave me a tech for peace. Even though it was a cheap tech, (Monotheism) I was suprised - I hadn't taken any of his cities, or even managed to get any units inside his borders, because of the distance involved, and having to constantly fend off attacks myself.

Perhaps this never happens on Emperor and above, but apparently you can get techs from the more aggressive civs, up to Monarch. Just not always good ones, or all the time.

It can happen, although rarely. Yesterday I was playing a Monarch game as Mansa, and Montezuma declared war on me, despite being half a continent away. I had only four cities, but I turtled up with Skirmishers, Axemen and a few Spearmen to specifically counter his Horse Archers and Chariots. After one initial victory (Taking my Confucist Holy City, which I retook not three turns later, annihilating the remains of his initial stack) he didn't make any progress. He probably marched at least ten to twelve stacks into my borders, each with 5-10 units (Mostly Jaguars) and I slaughtered them all. For the longest time, he wanted the Confucist Holy City in return for peace. (Needless to say, I told him where he could stick his offer) Eventually though, he gave up and gave me a tech for peace. Even though it was a cheap tech, (Monotheism) I was suprised - I hadn't taken any of his cities, or even managed to get any units inside his borders, because of the distance involved, and having to constantly fend off attacks myself.

Perhaps this never happens on Emperor and above, but apparently you can get techs from the more aggressive civs, up to Monarch. Just not always good ones, or all the time.

The reason for this, in my opinion, is that you've slaughtered his entire standing army, and even though he hasnt lost a city he is now facing fighting a defensive war (if you chose to take revenge), a check of the power graph would probably second this. On the other hand, he hasnt lost any cities himself and so is very much in the game, hence his decision to give up a cheap tech to allow himself time to rebuild his invasion forces.

Yeah, Monty probably just needed some time to rebuild his army, so he can harass you again...
When I have destroyed an enemies offensive force I usually ignore every offer for peace until I have taken/razed at least three cities.
I just don't want them to get away with their attack...

Oh, I posted this pic in another thread.
Mr Capac made this offer after I destroyed most of his army but only took his capital (and razed two more cities).
OK, the Oracle, the Great Lighthouse and the Parthenon were already built (the Parthenon and the Great Lighhouse in Cuzco :) ), but still three techs is not that bad...(monarch)

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/9301/offer0jh.th.jpg (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=offer0jh.jpg)

Has anyone ever had the experience of the AI taking something off the table? For instance, the AI is willing to give you 3 techs for peace when they have 5 cities left, but after you take all but their last city, the AI is no longer willing to give you the 3 techs?

I'm not talking about a situation where the war has turned against you, and you've lost a city or more units than the AI since the initial offer.

My theory is that once the AI is willing to give you something for peace, they will never take it off the table no matter how close they come to extinction. Can anyone offer an example to the contrary?

Thanks for the screenshoot pretty good deal!

I have never got a deal like that from the AI ever! take it dude! lol

Yes i have a argument to the contrary
Networking with my friends My friend started a war as Mongolia vs Washington. My friend took 2 cities and then Washington was willing to give 3 techs to end the war, My friend got greedy and didnt want to stop the war until he was offering ALL his techs (6 total). After that Washington would only offer 20 gold, then would only take the treaty. My friend had to then make peace to catch up with tech he had lost waging war and getting nothing from any civs.

Thanks for the screenshoot pretty good deal!

I have never got a deal like that from the AI ever! take it dude! lol

Yes i have a argument to the contrary
Networking with my friends My friend started a war as Mongolia vs Washington. My friend took 2 cities and then Washington was willing to give 3 techs to end the war, My friend got greedy and didnt want to stop the war until he was offering ALL his techs (6 total). After that Washington would only offer 20 gold, then would only take the treaty. My friend had to then make peace to catch up with tech he had lost waging war and getting nothing from any civs.

Another perfectly good theory down the drain. :) It's good to know.