View Full Version : **SPOILER** Robi D vs Kuningas


Robi D
Jul 01, 2006, 02:36 AM
Well this is the Nut House showdown you have all been waiting for. Two of Doughnutia's finest Presidents in a no holds barred 1 on 1 contest to the death! I've attached a screenshot of my starting position which all in all looks good so no complaints. The was a village NW of the city that got popped by the borders which gave me 39g. I've also decided to take advantage of starting with Mystism and am going for an early religion so to boost the border expansion and eliminate the chance of a surprise attack. After that AH will be a high priority so i can use the sheep (insert aussie/kiwi sheep joke here:) ) as will the military techs.

robboo
Jul 01, 2006, 07:20 AM
do you always start with sheep...:)

/sorry had to

You are Saladain and who is kuningas.?

I am updating teh ladder thread.

Robi D
Jul 01, 2006, 09:57 AM
do you always start with sheep...:)

/sorry had to

You are Saladain and who is kuningas.?

I am updating teh ladder thread.

I'm Monte, Kuningas is the Mongols but i'm not sure which Khan

robboo
Jul 01, 2006, 10:04 AM
OK man I am blind...

What terrain mod is that..Yous looks different that n my terrain.

Robi D
Jul 01, 2006, 10:06 AM
OK man I am blind...

What terrain mod is that..Yous looks different that n my terrain.

Tiny, pangea, tropical, with high sea level and its always war too.

Black_Hole
Jul 01, 2006, 10:20 AM
OK man I am blind...

What terrain mod is that..Yous looks different that n my terrain.
I believe he is using a lower graphics setting, which makes terrain look like that

Robi D
Jul 01, 2006, 10:26 AM
I believe he is using a lower graphics setting, which makes terrain look like that

I guess i didn't read the question properly, yes black hole you are right i'm using the minimum graphics setting. I like to play on big maps and my graphics card is on the older side so playing with minimum graphics stops the game slowing down quickly.

robboo
Jul 01, 2006, 11:50 AM
Yeah I have to lower my graphics also on huge maps or large terran. But for some reason your loooked different

I got my eye on a graphics card but I dont think its much of an upgrade..so I am waiting. I just spent all my fun money on a new lathe....my other addiction other than civ.

BCLG100
Jul 01, 2006, 05:50 PM
Is it a 'quick' game? just you seem to be getting meditation really quickly-even with the flood plains being worked-unless its warlord level tech speed :p

Robi D
Jul 01, 2006, 09:42 PM
Is it a 'quick' game? just you seem to be getting meditation really quickly-even with the flood plains being worked-unless its warlord level tech speed :p

Its on quick speed

Robi D
Aug 11, 2006, 05:27 AM
Well i got meditation first so i have the extra culture. I went south with my scout who discovered it was a dead end just before a panther had him over for dinner. That left me with east or west as options but kuningas answered to question for me when his scout climbed the hill to my west. I'm nearly got my barracks finished so i'll get a few troops build before going for a second city. Any suggestions for a second city spot, there's a few options available

BCLG100
Aug 11, 2006, 05:29 AM
i'd say you need a new city spot with a resource-horses/copper/iron it doesnt really matter which :)

Robi D
Aug 11, 2006, 05:47 AM
I'm doing BW and IW after agriculture. At least with the aztecs i can start cranking jags out without copper or iron. I think an early jag rush will be my best option.

BCLG100
Aug 11, 2006, 05:51 AM
Yup but you'll need copper to build spears to counter the keshik threat.

Robi D
Aug 11, 2006, 05:56 AM
The good thing for me is it will take some time to research horseback riding

BCLG100
Aug 11, 2006, 06:04 AM
well it depends if he makes a beeline for it or not and he would probably go for it before iron (which takes the same amount of time)

Robi D
Aug 11, 2006, 06:17 AM
hmmm... HB still a little longer but i'll leave agriculture and switch to BW just to be sure. If there is copper near by i can go back to agriculture

robboo
Aug 11, 2006, 06:47 AM
Too early to see where you shoudl put your city. Is there any food by the stones within a city radius. If there is and some more production tiles it could be good. If you get lucky...thats where copper will be.

Your other option is to put a city between you and him. on that hill where his scout is. Hill bonus and city defense. Sort of a fort with production.

Robi D
Aug 28, 2006, 10:49 PM
I found Kuningas, we are not very far apart. I've nearly got the copper hooked up. I haven't seen if kuningas has any. I've only seen warriors but i don't know if thats any indication. If not then it might give me a chance to axe rush him.

@robboo, you can see how much difference the new graphics card makes:)

robboo
Aug 29, 2006, 08:04 AM
dam you guys are close...this one should end quickly.

Robi D
Aug 29, 2006, 09:30 AM
dam you guys are close...this one should end quickly.

yeah and theres no choke point either

robboo
Aug 29, 2006, 12:57 PM
yeah so you bettter get lucky this time. :p

Robi D
Oct 24, 2006, 05:42 AM
Well its been a while since i did an update here, but not that much has happened until now.

It 160BC and kuningas has slowly been gaining an advantage on the demographics numbers so i though it was time to go and trim them back a little. So i've launched a sea and land invasion on kuningas.

I figured i would use the land forces as a decoy before hitting him from the sea. The tiny problem is he seems to have had the same idea

I guess great nutters think alike:)

This might come down to who can overrun the others cities faster

Robi D
Dec 02, 2006, 06:54 PM
170 AD

The situation is not good. I've lost a city (Melbourne) and his Elephants are bulldozing through my defences so far. While the Spearmen are slowing them down they are not stopping them.
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6872/azt170ad1my7.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=azt170ad1my7.jpg)

Basically right now is just a matter of hanging in there and trying to give him as much grief as possible. If i can hold him off i will get a chance to rebuild and push the game further. On a slightly brighter note i have found his horses and can hopefully cut them off. He has a group of units just out of visiblity in the city
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2481/azt170ad2gj0.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=azt170ad2gj0.jpg)

Robi D
Dec 16, 2006, 09:22 PM
320 AD

My Speamen have finally brought a holt to the advance of Kuningas Elephants. They also took out an advance group of Keshiks. I've just taken out 3 elephants that were on the Copper. It will be interesting to see whether he keeps attacking or pulls back and waits for some reinforcements.

In other news I've won a small victory of my own, I've taken out his holy city no less in the south. I got a slice of rng luck in one of the battles and was able to take out Turfan. I'm hoping that was his only supply of horses.

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/5589/nuthouse2320adjg8.th.jpg (http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nuthouse2320adjg8.jpg) http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8256/nuthouse1320adxt8.th.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nuthouse1320adxt8.jpg)

robboo
Dec 16, 2006, 10:09 PM
So Robi what do your odds look like. Just defending and holding out or can you beat him.

Robi D
Dec 16, 2006, 11:32 PM
I need to keep him out first. I'm building a Settler in Brisbane. A risk but one i need to take otherwise i'll just be overrun later.

The last couple of turns have filled me with some optomism, but its still in favour of kuningas 30-70 at present.

Robi D
Dec 24, 2006, 05:47 AM
770AD

My odds are looking better and better. Except for onw cat i've destroyed kuningas invasion force. His power numbers are only 20k more than mine (it was 80k just before the invasion). I've cut off his horses and raze his holy city. Here's then battlefield now.
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/795/azt1770adoh6.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=azt1770adoh6.jpg)

Also i've got crossbows at my disposal now which should take care of any melee units he throws at me. As a bonus i got a GE which has peasearched 90% of engineering which will give me pikes:D . You may be wandering why i'm researching compass. Well i'm headed for Optics (although i'll finish off enginnering first) and Caravels. Why, well as you may have seen from my game against robboo they are very good at controlling the sea at this stage of naval technology, and at the moment kuningas can land his units with ease. If i can restrict him to the land then it makes my job easier. Also Kuningas has built the pyramids so i'm thinking he has swapped to police state so i can expect more attacks
Here is a shot of the lower half of my nation.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4007/azt2770adtr1.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=azt2770adtr1.jpg)

I still have a spear over where i razed his city as i don't want him coming back. I built a galley down there to tranfer some more units to back him up, but also thats where i will lauch my offensive from when i get the chance. Hopefully i will get in from a direction he is not expecting and take him out but thats a fair way off. In the meantime i've got another settler built and hopefully a few more on the way. After stuffing up the start i might have gotten myself back in this one

BCLG100
Dec 24, 2006, 06:16 AM
Robi you can check what he has switched to with ctrl+tab

police state really isnt worth it most of the time tbh, hereditry rule is better (or the whole point of building the pyramids- representation, is the bestest)

Robi D
Dec 24, 2006, 03:57 PM
Robi you can check what he has switched to with ctrl+tab

police state really isnt worth it most of the time tbh, hereditry rule is better (or the whole point of building the pyramids- representation, is the bestest)

He changed to Police State and Vassalage. Also he seems intent on boating over a few units at a time, it almost as if he is using my tactic against robboo against me and trying to keep me preoccupied while he builds up the main force. And finally my spear thats down near him has seen a galley coming around the southern sea route so i wont be catching him out there.

Robi D
Dec 28, 2006, 04:17 AM
1100AD

Well we have been averaging 4-5 turns per day so a lot has happened.
Basically Kuningas attacked with Elephants, cats and his new toy, longbows.
The elephants got smashed thanks to my new toy pikes as well as some well promoted spears.

As i mentioned eariler i was taking some risks, but one i needed to take to survive long term. Before his last attack i managed to build 2 settlers and the Colossus. This means he has a chance of taking Sydney but for the first time i'm ahead in both gold and production.

So the game hinges on the next battle. If kuningas takes Sydney the i'm dead, game over. If i beat him back then i'm looking at being able to take the lead as my new cities grow and take the fight to him. For the battle Kuningas has abondoned elephants and is going with a stack of cats and longbows. I did make a tactical mistake in not cutting the forest next to Sydney when i had an opening so that will make it difficult to counter attack.

Here are the screenshots. Wish me luck:)

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/507/azt11100adme1.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=azt11100adme1.jpg) http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7060/azt21100adak7.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=azt21100adak7.jpg)

Robi D
Dec 29, 2006, 10:53 PM
1235AD

After dealing with Kuningas first attack, he changed tactics and fanned out.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6517/azt31235adqf8.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=azt31235adqf8.jpg)

This was the time to couter attack. I hit him with all my cats first soften up as many tagets as possible before using my other units. I was careful to avoid getting my units in the line of fire from the 4 cats just dropped off so i left some cats alive on purpose although they have suffered from collateral damage. I had some early rng luck which was cancelled out by some bad luck late on. It particularly hurt to lose my 4 promotion pike in a battle he had 97% chance of winning. Here is the situation after the battle.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/2466/azt41235adbs4.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=azt41235adbs4.jpg)

This battle is starting to make Stalingrad look like a minor firefight. The longer i hold on, the more chance i have of getting on top down the track. I can't imagine he has many more reinforcements to bring in so if i can make him retreat then thats as good as a win for me.

Robi D
Dec 31, 2006, 07:03 PM
1295 AD

I crushed kuningas attack, leaving him nothing in my territory for about a turn or 2, but he is persistant. He has also built a road to my border. I have caravels now so at least i can try to block off the sea route which will focus his attacks to one direction.

His new build up of troops contains a musketman. This is interesting on a number of levels. It means he is beelining research and skipping a lot of techs, which does surprise me a little, because he is in a way putting all his eggs in one basket. I was on the way to getting maceman so i will soon enough have a unit to match the muskets. Greniders however could be a little more tricky, but then it comes down to another problem for kuningas, how quickly can he make them, since he does have any techs to grow his cities further and he has built a new one in a while either.

It also struck me see the musket that he has a major weakness. Looking back he has attacked me with elephants, Keshiks, cats, archers, longbows and now muskets. Not one of these requires copper or iron. It has gone past the point of mearly conisidence or tactics that he has not used axes, spears or more tellingly knights. I can only conclude he does not have a metal around at his place. This fact along with his reseach of military only techs gives me confidence that the longer i hold him out the more the game will turn in my favor, since i have been researching other techs and i have been building new cities. I'm hoping to have time to get another settler out while he builds up for another attack. As long as i can keep a step behind him on the military front i think i can hold him out since defending is easier than attacking and once i have control of the seas i can start putting a bit of pressure on him.

All in all i think i'm in for another long game:)

robboo
Jan 01, 2007, 07:20 AM
Defense is easier....only way I lasted versus you.

Dont get to over confident. HE could be using his GP method of back filling certain techs

BCLG100
Jan 03, 2007, 10:01 AM
Robi if he doesnt have metals then you need to press home this advantage now before he gets units which dont require them.

Robi D
Jan 03, 2007, 11:25 PM
He already has muskets and is probably getting grendiers soon.

My best chance is with the fact he can't get cannons and frigates, although the latter isn't as important since i've wiped out his navy with my caravels.

He switched to Rep and Merchantism which is more of a worry to me than when he was running police state. After his last unsuccessful attack he hasn't even tried to attack. Part of it comes down to the fact i can boat troops into any of his cities and he has been busy getting better defenders than warriors.

For me it just a matter of hanging in there. At the moment we have both built some new cities. Here is a view of my half of the map.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2708/azt31525adta5.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=azt31525adta5.jpg) http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7540/azt41525adov3.th.jpg (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=azt41525adov3.jpg)

BCLG100
Jan 04, 2007, 05:12 AM
He's going to start pumping great people at a fastish rate i imagine.

Robi D
Jan 04, 2007, 05:23 AM
I can get merchantism in about 12 turns but i can't match the representation.

The simple fact is i stuffed up at the start and assumed we would be further apart and neglected the military a bit, by the time i saw how close we were it was a bit late to avoid losing a city, you live and learn.

Pretty much i'm always going to be a step behind him, my only viable option is to defend like hell and try limited attacks using boats, once i get galleons i can hit a city in one turn without him seeing me. So my chance of success is keeping my naval advantage and using it for small counter attacks. If i can take a city or two a can claw my way back into this

robboo
Jan 04, 2007, 07:36 AM
You should use that distraction attack on that city of his thats closest of you then attack one of his furthest cities via boat. If you can set it up right and not get caught you will draw forces towards you with the attack and then land your troops.

Robi D
Jan 06, 2007, 08:12 AM
That's pretty much the plan. Also without even attacking him it helps me as it means he can't just throw everything at me and leave himself open at the back, since he wont know when an attack is coming. The fact that all of his cities are on the coast means i can attack off the boat if the defences are weak.

Also from the last few turns his power numbers have stopped going up as fast as before so he is definately investing in some infrastructure.

Robi D
Jan 09, 2007, 04:19 AM
1575 AD,

Kuningas beat me to galleons. He dropped troops off with 2 of them in my one blind spot between Adelaide and Hobart, so its pretty much over. He must have lighbulbed astronomy to get them so quick.

Anyway its just a matter of how long now as i'm sure a head on attack is due any turn. Oh well i've still got the Aloha pbem to kick BC backside around;)

Robi D
Jan 11, 2007, 09:46 PM
Miricles aside this is the last screenshot. All i have left is Sydney and adelaide in the south. Kuningas launched his major attack. I have thrown just about everything at him and most of his units survived.
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9494/civ4screenshot0000pz7.th.jpg (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civ4screenshot0000pz7.jpg)

My only hope of holding him out is that i'll have gunpowder in 3 and i have a GE ready to lighbulb something which im hoping is chem. I've left adelaide undefeanded, an archer wasn't going to stop him so i can pillage my own improvements, hopefully i can raise enough gold to upgrade 2 or 3 of my old but highly promoted units.

Kuningas
Jan 12, 2007, 04:47 AM
I enjoyed this much :goodjob:

Part of the reason we started so close was high sea level. I don't understand how someone likes to play duel maps. But in the end tiny map worked fine because all jungle in middle. In next PBEM I'm trying continents.

Robi D
Jan 12, 2007, 04:54 AM
I enjoyed this much :goodjob:

Part of the reason we started so close was high sea level. I don't understand how someone likes to play duel maps. But in the end tiny map worked fine because all jungle in middle. In next PBEM I'm trying continents.

Since i lost i enjoyed it a little less;) but well played.
It was an interesting map, metals on one side, elephants and horses on the other. Overall i'm happy to have held you out as long as i did and not so happy for gettting my self in that position in the first place. I though i was still in with a shot until you changed to Rep and Merchants

We might have to have a rematch in the future:)

robboo
Jan 12, 2007, 05:32 AM
I need to upgrade the ladder :)

Congrats Kuningas