According to Brad (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4242666&postcount=4) 10.4.7 is causing the sound problems that everyone has reported. And the patch is not coming tomorrow. So if we want to fully enjoy the Mac Civ4 experience we need to revert to 10.4.6.

Could someone explain the best way to do this that doesn't involve wiping your hard drive.

Could someone explain the best way to do this that doesn't involve wiping your hard drive.

I was thinking about this at lunch, and I'm afraid that I don't personally know the best way to do this. Hopefully someone smart here can say, but I'll forward along any info about this if I find it.

Is it confirmed that sound works in 10.4.6? The best way to do it would be if someone has the stand alone in their download folder.

Oh, I guess you'd have to archive and reinstall tiger to revert to the old combo update found here: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1046comboforppc.html

I am going to give that a shot. I'll let you know if it works before you try it!

The Intel version can be found here. (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macosx1046comboforintel.html)

Do please let us know if it works for you, Zaimejs.

I'll try it myself - on Intel - once my wife gets home. (It is definitely still weird to not be the Mac expert in the family anymore...)

I have 10.4.7 installed but when I tried to install the 10.4.6 combo update install, it wouldn't allow me. My other option is to use Pacifist to manually install the files from the 10.4.6 combo update. I might try this later.

I just tried it in straight up 10.4 and most of the sounds work. There are ambient noises... music... and dogs bark when I got mining. Some of the sounds seem to cut off, but it runs much, much better than in 10.4.7. I'm going to upgrade to 10.4.6 to see what I can see.

Excellent! Now we'll see how 10.4.6 goes.

I am currently backing up my home directory, in preparation for an archive & install of my own. Then we'll have an Intel comparison (judging from the link you provided, you're on PPC, right?).

P.S. It's interesting to compare the activity level here to the other Civ4 forums ATM... somehow I doubt we'll have quite so much traffic, comparatively speaking, once this stuff is all resolved!

Some good discussions here and this wouldn't be possible at all without those links to the combo updaters. Thanks Beamup and Zaimejs. My MBP is at home and I'm not, I have a couple questions. My MBP shipped with 10.4.4 and some disks I never looked at. Will one of those disks (the maintenance disk?) allow me to do the archive and install?

Also, I've read in many other threads where sometimes you only need to revert a single file in the /Library or /System folders to restore the broken function. In my mind, if that were possible it would be much preferred over the full Archive and Install method. Any ideas along those lines?

And there is no need to revert QT? Or the Archive and Install accomplishes that also?

10.4.6 was a no go. No sounds at all. Just like 10.4.7 for me anyway. Running a 2.0 G5.

The game played okay, but I had more sounds under straight up Tiger. If I get a wild hair, I might just try an incremental build... like 10.4.1 or something.

10.4.6 was a no go. No sounds at all. Just like 10.4.7 for me anyway. Running a 2.0 G5.

The game played okay, but I had more sounds under straight up Tiger. If I get a wild hair, I might just try an incremental build... like 10.4.1 or something.

That's disappointing to hear. I hope you get a wild hair, because I'm curious to see which OS update works best. I know we tested with 10.4.5 through much of the cycle, then 10.4.6 at the end.

10.4.4: no sounds, identical to 10.4.7 in that respect. Major graphical artifacts also appear.

Updating to 10.4.5 now, to be followed by 10.4.6 and 10.4.7.

Edit: 10.4.5 acts identically to 10.4.4, including the artifacts. Trying 10.4.6.

Edit take 2: 10.4.6 is again identical to 10.4.4, including the artifacts. Going back to 10.4.7.

Edit take 3: 10.4.7 is back to normal.

The artifacts appeared to be random chunks of the previous game screen (from before an OS upgrade - or complete reinstall - and reboot!!!) superimposed randomly on the current screen.

So, sorry Brad, but it's apparently substantially more complicated.

Artifacts that survive an OS upgrade and reboot are probably held in some kind of on-disk cache in your ~/Documents/Ci4/ directory, which is archived and restored. They may be a red herring. It would probably be necessary to delete any caches you can find before runnig Civ4 each time you revise the OS.

Artifacts that survive an OS upgrade and reboot are probably held in some kind of on-disk cache in your ~/Documents/Ci4/ directory, which is archived and restored.

No. In this case, the data is cached in VRAM on the video card. You cannot actively get rid of that (it's really a driver bug).

Not a bad idea there, AlanH.

Well, apparently it was a bad idea. Though the principle still applies, I guess. You have to find a way to clear the cached data out of the VRAM. That may mean leaving it powered down for a period, but if it has an on-board battery then heaven alone knows what you do to shift it.