I don't mean this to be out of order, but what happened to the Mac community at Apolyton? Back when I was playing Civ II MP religiously, I hung out at Apolyton and even helped with the Civ II Mac section (my screen name was/is MacUser). Now there barely seems to be any Mac activity there at all and the site in general is very PC centeric. Did they abandon us or did the Mac-Civ community just slowly migrate away and appear here at Civ Fanatics?

Again, not asking anyone to speak ill of anyone, it just seems curious to me.

I think it's just that the Mac community is so comparatively small that spreading it between two sites was too much. CivFanatics seemed livelier and most of us just gravitated this way.

I remember having an Apolyton account as well but it was so long ago that I can't remember what it was.

I have recently emigrated from Apolyton, too. I found it very odd that they didn't even post news about the Mac release recently, let alone set up dedicated forum.........

I note that migration doesn't feature in the Civ IV world model - population from one Empire crossing the border to join the shinier, richer, better fed city next door (not permitted under Communism, of course). A thought for Civ V? It could cause interesting benefits for production and problems for food and happiness.

I am a long-time member of 'Poly, registering in February 2000.

I'm not sure why the Mac forum at 'Poly decreased in activity, but I still peek in now and then. There are Mac users at 'Poly, after all, and they post on occasion. Hmm. Now that I think about it, part of the reason the Mac community may have faded was because the moderator sort of disappeared, and was never replaced. Without a focal point, things just sort of started drifting and, voila!, you have what you have today: a mostly dormant community.

Gatekeeper

When I started playing Civ3 in 2002 Apolyton was already a Mac-free zone. CFC was more lively, with Brad coming here with beta patches and his beta editor, and Mac fanatics posting utilities. The GOTM was the main thing that attracted me to CFC initially, when Cracker encouraged Mac users to join in using the 1.29 beta, and since then we've always tried to maintain a policy of supporting whatever Mac versions are available in the GOTM competitions. That's proving to be a bit of a challenge with Civ4 :rolleyes:

I do have a 'Poly account, same name, but the only area I've frequented is Gramphos' corner, where file formats are discussed.

I mosey over there on occassion - same user name. The points laid out above hit the mark. Also, the site admins themselves are just short of hostile toward the mac platform. In fact, about a year ago many mac threads were closed because they weren't Civ series related. Problem is, there was no other place sensible enough on Apolyton for mac users to discuss technical issues and other strat games. A huge personality conflict erupted between a long standing mac user and a PC user. Basically, the PC user went to the mod and complained that there were OT threads in the Mac forum.

Now, here at CFC Thunderfall has bent over backward to assist the Mac community. And, one of our own is now a big-wig! ;) I remember when Civ3 was being released for the mac, and some mac users began posting in an old mac forum buried at the bottom of the page. TF was quick to ask, "Where have you guys been?" He then put us primetime with the other Civ3 threads. :goodjob:

I browse the Paradox games thread and post now and then. Sometimes I go into the OT forum and mix it up with the liberal Euros, who are heavily weighted toward Eastern Europe - hence Apolyton I guess.
But, I've made some cyber buddies there as well - like Gatekeeper. :D

I've also found the atmosphere at Apolyton nothing short of offensive. The level of arrogance, nastiness, and egotism is absolutely repulsive IMO.

Well, we're not *all* bad ... just ask dojoboy!

Gatekeeper :D

True, but the ones who are more than make up for it. Especially since they tend to post a lot.

I note that migration doesn't feature in the Civ IV world model - population from one Empire crossing the border to join the shinier, richer, better fed city next door (not permitted under Communism, of course). A thought for Civ V? It could cause interesting benefits for production and problems for food and happiness.

this is loosely modelled by culture flipping as seen in civ 3 and 4

I have recently emigrated from Apolyton, too. I found it very odd that they didn't even post news about the Mac release recently, let alone set up dedicated forum.........

Gentlemen, let's bring this weary traveler in from the cold, and give him something warm to eat and a place to rest. :)

Gentlemen, let's bring this weary traveler in from the cold, and give him something warm to eat and a place to rest. :)
Heard that.

Welcome, scriblerus!

Pull up a keyboard and put up your feet.

you can count me among the Apolyton splitters.

I found apolyton when I was getting my ass whopped shortly after getting Civ3 and found some good strategy to help me improve my game but at some point someone linked to the mac forum here. I found this community much more inviting and then I started playing the mac GOTM (back when we were outcasts from the official GOTM due to no compatibility. -you know what I'm talking about ;) ) I seem to remember ranking pretty well too.

then we got assimilated into the official GOTM and I played for awhile till life intervened and I disappeared for a while but when rumblings of civ4 for mac started appearing, I didn't even bother with apolyton, CivFanatics all the way!

this is loosely modelled by culture flipping as seen in civ 3 and 4


No, that's not what I mean. City flipping isn't the same as economic migration, which has been a significant factor from the Roman Empire (lots of Goths etc in Rome as citizens, lots of influx to outlying provinces) to today (fuelling ethnic/religious/cultural diversity and far right politics). The growth of the North American colonies pre and post-Independence was also based on the huge influx of non-indigenous population. It's a big factor in world history that's not in the game, and that would potentially affect all sorts of basic game concepts......imagine you steadily lose pop points to a neighbour who is culturally or economically superior; or you have an influx at a point when your cities are working to the limits of health and/or happiness; that your ethnic or religious balance in cities could be affected (with what results? - unhappiness points, perhaps, if you side with Le Pen, or economic benefits from cheaper labour?); that they could bring new tech skills with them. At the moment population is only influenced by food production (which I take to essentially stand for birth rate).

PS Thanks dojoboy and ejday for the welcome.