ok, this thread is for people to post recommendations
and suggestions for TAM scenarios.
post away. :)


Maps Done:
Near East [or Fertile Crescent Large] (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2174)
TAM Mesopotmia (http://forums.civfanatics.com/./downloads.php?do=file&id=2486)
TAM Canaan (http://forums.civfanatics.com/./downloads.php?do=file&id=2957)
Armenia [plain map] (http://forums.civfanatics.com/./downloads.php?do=file&id=2958)

in slow, slow progress:
Punic Wars
Judaea [by me]

[B]in progress:
Fall of Assyria [by Drtad]
Pontic wars [by Drtad]
[these will start after the Warlords update to TAM]

Punic Wars in production? God damn, thats good news. Will it just feature Rome and Chartago, or will the scenario be bigger, like a Rise of Rome scenario?
The warlords scenario Im really looking forward to is the Rise of Rome. But if I know Firaxis right, it will seriously need to be moded, with more nations, units, a better tech. tree, and other concepts. Would be great if you guys made a Rise of Rome scenario, with the mediteranean from 280 BC and forwards..... :) I have lots of ideas for such a scenario!

Punic Wars in production? God damn, thats good news. Will it just feature Rome and Carthago, or will the scenario be bigger, like a Rise of Rome scenario?
The warlords scenario Im really looking forward to is the Rise of Rome. But if I know Firaxis right, it will seriously need to be moded, with more nations, units, a better tech. tree, and other concepts. Would be great if you guys made a Rise of Rome scenario, with the mediteranean from 280 BC and forwards..... :) I have lots of ideas for such a scenario!

western mediterranean map. its a roman republic vs Carthaginian empire
scenario, specifically of the second punic war. it starts 280 or so bc.
well, im looking forward to warlords scenario, as we all no doubt are,
but the screenshots seem to show rome as the holy city of islam??? (http://media.pc.ign.com/media/818/818084/img_3711112.html)

Why not a "Fall of Rome" scenario? :)

Why not a "Fall of Rome" scenario? :)
well, of course, goths are in the mod, are they not?
`course you`d need huns, visigoths, ostrogoths, franks and vandals to do it right. its on my list anyways.

...well, im looking forward to warlords scenario, as we all no doubt are,
but the screenshots seem to show rome as the holy city of islam??? (http://media.pc.ign.com/media/818/818084/img_3711112.html)


Yeah, thats an example of that some great moding will be needed, I guess.
I also fear they will put in to few Civilizations to cover the Rise of Rome period. Only 5 civs are confirmed: Rome, Chartago, Greece, Egypt and the Gauls. All these are playable. I really hope some minor nations are added too.

Such an scenario needs the following civs: German tribes, Illyria, Dacia, Greece parted into: Macedonia, Greek City states and The Seleucid Empire. Pontus, Armenia, Nubia, the brittons and some Iberian tribes as well...
Schytia, Parthia and Bactria would be nice too......

Thats a total of 18 Civs, so it should be possible.....

We can add any extra civs for scenarios into the mod, we just need city names and leader names.

We can add any extra civs for scenarios into the mod, we just need city names and leader names.

Nice to hear that. You are the guys I trust the most when it comes to the art of making mods/scenarios! :goodjob: I'm surprised if Firaxis can come up with something close to your TAM.

I would love a Greece-to-Indus Valley map. Or maybe even Judea-to-Indus map.

-- Hypnotoad

How about a Pontic wars scenario? Major civs: Roman Empire, Pontus, Armenian Empire Years: around 200BC-150BC?

Would like to see a scenario based around the Crusades.

that would be a Medieval Mediterranean MOD scenario, not Ancient mediterranean.

Another good scenario might be the fall of the Assyrian Empire. Combatant civs:Assyria,Babylon,Egypt Neutral civs: Urartu,Media,Kolchis,Cimmeria Vassal civs:Israel,Phoenicia?

am thinking of a Hyksos Vs. Egypt scenario. obviously i need to get fall of rome done first, though.
Hyksos were asiatic invaders who used new horse chariots to conquer northern egypt. egypt only had donkeys before that. anyway, the egyptians copt [sorry, dreadful pun] copped on to the new chariots and drove the Hyksos out.
or something like that.

Another good scenario might be the fall of the Assyrian Empire. Combatant civs:Assyria,Babylon,Egypt Neutral civs: Urartu,Media,Kolchis,Cimmeria Vassal civs:Israel,Phoenicia?
Add Nubia (Cush) and that would round out the scenario. Egypt was under the domination of the Nubians during the time of the Assyrian invasion.

am thinking of a Hyksos Vs. Egypt scenario. obviously i need to get fall of rome done first, though.
Hyksos were asiatic invaders who used new horse chariots to conquer northern egypt. egypt only had donkeys before that. anyway, the egyptians <strike>copt</strike> [sorry, dreadful pun] copped on to the new chariots and drove the Hyksos out.
or something like that.
This sounds like a great scenario. How about a Persian invasion of the Decapolis up to and including the conquest of Egypt.

How about an Egypt versus the Hittites scenario. The winner gobbles up everything from the Sinai to Asia Minor.

Another good scenario might be the fall of the Assyrian Empire. Combatant civs:Assyria,Babylon,Egypt Neutral civs: Urartu,Media,Kolchis,Cimmeria Vassal civs:Israel,Phoenicia?

Phoenicia was still pretty powerful trading empire at the time. I don't think they deserve vassal status. It'd be hard to model most of their colonies, however (As far flung as the Straight of Gibraltar, along with Carthage and Sardinia). Cyprus, however, should start as a Phoenician colony.
Also, if you add Israel, you might as well add Judah too. Or you could lump them together as the "Tribes of Israel" or "Israelites". Nubia is also important to this time period.

Akhenaton, I think you mistook my request for a fall of the Assyrian Empire, as the rise of the Assyrian Empire. During its fall, the pharoah's Psamtik II and Necho II ruled Egypt. I do not think Nubia dominated Egypt at this time, but I could be mistaken. I made a mistake in my above post, the Medes should be at war with Assyria. And I thought that Phoenicia was dominated by Egypt at this time?

Also, a Hittite Egypt scenario is a good idea, some other civs could be Kingdom of Hayasa-Azzi, Phoenicia, Kingdom of Mitanni, etc...

Akhenaton, I think you mistook my request for a fall of the Assyrian Empire, as the rise of the Assyrian Empire. During its fall, the pharoah's Psamtik II and Necho II ruled Egypt. I do not think Nubia dominated Egypt at this time, but I could be mistaken. I made a mistake in my above post, the Medes should be at war with Assyria. And I thought that Phoenicia was dominated by Egypt at this time?

Also, a Hittite Egypt scenario is a good idea, some other civs could be Kingdom of Hayasa-Azzi, Phoenicia, Kingdom of Mitanni, etc...
You are correct; I mistook it as the rise of Assyrian Empire. I would love to see the Mitanni included in a Egypt vs. Hittite scenario. Thanks for the clarification.

if anyone has any scenarios made for TAM, this is the thread to post it in.
or am i alone, here?

I would make a scenario if someone would mod the civs for me, I am not exactly very good at that.

We can mod any civ in that you want in the scenario. Just let us know, give us the city list and leader name, and we'll do it. :)

You can just make the scenario and simply place civs that we'll replace with different names and cities.

Okay, thanks Thamis. I would like to do the Fall of Assyria first, so here is what I will need.

Urartu: Leader Sarduri IV
cities: Tushpa, Musasir Erebuni, Toprakalle, Karmir Blur, Argishtinili, Sardurinili, Rusahinili, Aniastania

Assyria: leader: Ashur-ubalit
cities: Nineveh, Ashur, Nimrud, Dur-Sharrukin, Harran, Imgur-Enlil, Qulhu,

Cimmeria: not sure of anything

Judah: Leader:Josiah cities: Jerusalem, Beersheba
I think you guys have the Medes, Babylonians, Phoenicians and the Egyptians, so thats it, o yeah, do you guys have a map that I could use?

There are a few good maps out there that fit the location. We are also shipping a huge Fertile Crescent map, but that may be too big.

Are you intending to use pre-placed cities? Then we won't even have to mod stuff into the game. The city lists are a bit too short for a fully-fledged civ, you know? If you pre-place cities, then we can do it all in the WBS.

Yes, I am planning to pre-place cities. I could do it all in the WBS, but it be be better if I had custom unique units for the extra civs instead of borrowing other ones from existing civs. If I did some more research I could find better city lists. And one more thing, until TAM is Warlords compatible, I do not want to start because I plan to make use of the vassals feature. The fertile crescent map would be good.

Any more plans of a Rise of Rome scenario, after the terrible on in Warlords? One that covers the whole period, with whole of Europe, North-Africa and the Middle-East would be awesome, not just the Punic Wars.......

Yes I agree, the one in warlords was one of the worst scenarios I have ever seen.

Yes I agree, the one in warlords was one of the worst scenarios I have ever seen.

Yeah! The tech tree is totally uninteresting, the epic feel of it is non existant with only 200 turns, the builder options are far too few, there is too few units to choose from, and they should have made it on a grander scale, with at least a couple of more nations to play, important nations for that period. I would love a more TAM like Rise of Rome, My God, It would be awesome! ;)

Why didnt they hire the TAM team to make Rise of Rome? That would be a sucsess! :king:

i like the sound of this Assyrian Empire.
heres a map: LINK (http://www.christiancdrom.com/maps/Map%20-%20The%20Assyrian%20Empire.bmp).
its fairly detailed.

Hmm. Their are some innaccuracies in that map. First, Assyria never took the Urartian capital Tushpa. They said that the Urartian cavalry was too strong for them to beat and they avoided the Lake Van area. At 824 BC, Urartu was actually becoming the strongest power in the region. It was in 714 when the Cimmerians came that they started to decline. Good map though, lots of cities on it.

ah. well, it was a christian bible website. just did an image search and noticed the site awhile after.

hey, will i have a go at making a Large size version of that map [terrain only], or will fertile crescent do?

It would be nice to have that map, but the fertile crescent will do.

i figured i do it anyway.;)
nearly done. 80X90 in size [large-ish], is the same area as that previous map image i posted. need rivers, resources and less inhospitable terrain. this is what it looks like now;

Excellent! You are a superb map-maker Dionysius! Once TAM is compatible with warlords I will start making the Assyria scenario.

map is ready. its just terrain and resources, latest TAM version civ4 worldbuildersave.
EDIT: OK, why is .ZIP an invalid file? ach. i`ll try and put it in pre made maps on the file database.

its on Near East (http://forums.civfanatics.com/./downloads.php?do=file&id=1885)

:goodjob: Congratulations Dionysius! That one look really great!

Dionysius, can you clean up that map, as I outlined in the two tutorials in my signature? I can do it myself, of course, but right now I'm quite busy writing up my MA thesis.

Never mind. I've done it, cleaned it, changed the civilizations in the map (why were the Germanic Tribes, Carthage, and Iberia in there?) and uploaded it here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2174

Dionysius, can you clean up that map, as I outlined in the two tutorials in my signature? I can do it myself, of course, but right now I'm quite busy writing up my MA thesis.
Good Luck on your thesis; I know what a drag writing it up can be. AND THEN THERE IS THE DEFENSE OF SAID THESIS.:eek: :eek: :eek:

Luckily, we don't have this practice of defending your thesis in the UK unless it's a PhD... but that'll come over the next few years. ;)

was on a brief but dull holiday for the last 2 days.
any other maps that need doing?

was on a brief but dull holiday for the last 2 days.
any other maps that need doing?

How about a pure Mesopotamia map. The 4 corners would be (modern location):

- Ankara (Turkey)
- Sinai (Egypt)
- Meshned (Iran)
- UAE (UAE)

That would include the following civs:

- Hitties
- Phoenicians
- Babylonians
- Medes
- Persians

I think small or normal would be a good map size. We could also create new civs (such as Assyria, Elam) for this map.

How about a pure Mesopotamia map. The 4 corners would be (modern location):

- Ankara (Turkey)
- Sinai (Egypt)
- Meshned (Iran)
- UAE (UAE)

is that Mashhad?
heres a map:http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/middle-east_map_hr.jpg

Yes. I got the name from a German map. Same city. :)

Luckily, we don't have this practice of defending your thesis in the UK unless it's a PhD... but that'll come over the next few years. ;)
Why do the Brits and Yanks always copy the "negative" things!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

should have that map finished sometime tomorrow. got the BMPs done so far.
edit: slight delay...

Bored with the Thesis? You're a work horse extraordinaire!

P.S. I also thought the Rise of Rome scenario was too simplified and dumbed down. There was room for all kinds of errors that still allowed for victory. I do love the vassal feature and the warlord unit capabilities. Ramses the II is also great as portrayed in Civ 4:Warlords.

P.P.S. I'd like to see a scenario concerning the Rise of the Kingdom of Judea, starting around 2000 BC (no one has an accurate timeline I don't think, and the whole "rise of Judea" is still debated as to an invasion vs. a home grown uprising).

In this scenario, you could play as either of the native tribes or as leader of the Hebrew tribes.

I also would like to see a redone TAM version of Rise of Rome.

Bored with the Thesis? You're a work horse extraordinaire!

P.S. I also thought the Rise of Rome scenario was too simplified and dumbed down. There was room for all kinds of errors that still allowed for victory. I do love the vassal feature and the warlord unit capabilities. Ramses the II is also great as portrayed in Civ 4:Warlords.

P.P.S. I'd like to see a scenario concerning the Rise of the Kingdom of Judea, starting around 2000 BC (no one has an accurate timeline I don't think, and the whole "rise of Judea" is still debated as to an invasion vs. a home grown uprising).

In this scenario, you could play as either of the native tribes or as leader of the Hebrew tribes.

I also would like to see a redone TAM version of Rise of Rome.

I second all of that! The TAM crew should give the people who created the 'Rise of Rome' scenario some lessons on making an addictive scenario :lol:
I love the new tweaks done with Warlords (the gold/beakers showing decimals, seeing combat odds w/o having to be at war with said civ, and vassals), but I still find myself playing TAM mod instead. Hands down the best Mod I've played. :goodjob:

Onto scenario's I'd like, I'd love to see a 'rise of judea' as well. I've always been kinda disappointed that Civ has never had a Judea/Israel civ, and the TAM group could definitely make a scenario featuring it VERY fun. All the other suggestions in this thread I'd like as well, but this one would be my dream scenario.

I have an incomplete map of the area if anyone wants it, but it's probably too small for Rise of Judea. Something like 30x60 running from a little north of Tyre, to Damascus (if it was farther south), to a few tiles south of the Dead Sea.

no resources or forests. rivers in place, one civ in place [Babylon].
84X52 in proportions [standard size].
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/752/mesopotamiaja0.jpg
Link to File (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2428)

Nice one, are you going to put resources and forests, too?

Nice one, are you going to put resources and forests, too?
yep, soon. was feeling lazy didnt have time before.

yep, soon. was feeling lazy didnt have time before.

Forgive my ignorance...I too, have been too lazy/no time/too busy conquering the world with Carthage...to have downloaded your map yet. Does it incorporate sporaddic hills and oasis in that vast desert on the Arabian Penninsula?

For a rise of Judea scenario...I'd need a map that was probably Normal size-ish, but represented a zoomed in version of the western half of your map. Pleeeeeaaase :)

Forgive my ignorance...I too, have been too lazy/no time/too busy conquering the world with Carthage...to have downloaded your map yet. Does it incorporate sporaddic hills and oasis in that vast desert on the Arabian Penninsula?

For a rise of Judea scenario...I'd need a map that was probably Normal size-ish, but represented a zoomed in version of the western half of your map. Pleeeeeaaase :)
of course. TAM- Canaan sound good?
could you give proportions, like,
should it have sinai in, or egypt, or syria?
no oasis but a few hills are in where geologically
accurate. will put in oasis and forests a little later.

TAM Canaan would fit in nicely. I'd say Eastern extent of Sinai, up to SE extent of Anatolia, to edge of Euphrates valley, something like 60% of what your map shows now, Dionysius.

I'd have a moderately sized force of Javelineers and Speermen (Where is the Bronze Age Swordsman???) and a settler maybe (representing the exodus of Hebrews from Egypt) at the Southern extent of the land of Canaan.

I would need what 13 tribal cities? Each with a small force defending them.

I will need to do some serious research, but I'm pretty sure that powers outside the land of Canaan stayed out of the alleged conquest (one reason why some doubt it was a conquest at all).

Now that I think about it, would it be better to make a scenario (same map) concerning the rise of King Solomon?

TAM Canaan would fit in nicely. I'd say Eastern extent of Sinai, up to SE extent of Anatolia, to edge of Euphrates valley, something like 60% of what your map shows now, Dionysius.

I'd have a moderately sized force of Javelineers and Speermen (Where is the Bronze Age Swordsman???) and a settler maybe (representing the exodus of Hebrews from Egypt) at the Southern extent of the land of Canaan.

I would need what 13 tribal cities? Each with a small force defending them.

I will need to do some serious research, but I'm pretty sure that powers outside the land of Canaan stayed out of the alleged conquest (one reason why some doubt it was a conquest at all).

Now that I think about it, would it be better to make a scenario (same map) concerning the rise of King Solomon?
I`ll start on the map.

LINK TO FILE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/./downloads.php?do=file&id=2486)
after several bizarre errors [i start civ, computer restarts itself :confused:]
i added Medes Persians Phoenicians and Hittites.
now, the ideal additions to this map would be Bactrians and Assyrians, it would fill the fertile areas nicely.

Dionysius, sorry to trouble you again, but could you make a vanilla version of the near east map? I am going to need it for my upcoming project (which will include Fall of Assyria scenario).

Thamis, I believe I have compiled enough information to allow the modding in of the Urartian Empire. Here it is.

Leader: Argishti Unique Unit: Urartian Warchariot (increased strength) Urartian Cavalry (replacing horse archer, again increased strength) Unique Building: Vishap (replaces aqueduct, increased health)

City list: Tushpa
Sagunia
Musasir
Arzashku
Erebuni
Argishtihinili
Teishebaini
Toprakkale
Sardurihinili
Rusahinili
Altintepe
Kayalidere
Patmos (not the island)
Shengavit
Kultepe
Armavir
Garni
Cavustepe
Anzaf
Baskale

I hope this is enough.:)

Hey cool. Thanks a lot! Now any clue what that leader might have looked like?

Sure! Argishti was one of the greatest Urartian kings, and he defeated Assyria's greatest general of that time, so the Assyrians depicted him as he was beating them. Here is one of those depictions. Also, I think Urartu could be put on the huge map, Tushpa should be right next to Lake Van.

Dionysius, I am nor sure you will see my last post at the bottom of the last page, so I will post it here to, could you make that near east map for vanilla as well? I will need it for my next project which will include the Fall of Assyria scenario, and I shall later do Pontic Wars.

Hello Drtad. Where was this civilization located? I know very little about them. Hats off to any civilization that helped grind the Assyrians into the dust.

You can quickly turn any mod map into a vanilla map with VIM (see the link in my sig).

Urartu was located north of Mesopotamia, south of the Caucasus, west of the Caspian Sea, and southeast of the Black Sea.

Urartu was located north of Mesopotamia, south of the Caucasus, west of the Caspian Sea, and southeast of the Black Sea.
Were they related to the Mittani (were they the Mittani)?

Prepare for a long explanation Akhenaton.

The Urartians were one of the Hurrian tribes in Armenia. In 860, under king Aramu, they absorbed the surrounding tribes and organized a central state. Under the kings Menuas, Ishpuini, Argishti, and Sarduri II, Urartu became the strongest state in the region by conquering Kolchis, Syria, Cilicia, Lake Sevan, and the rest of Armenia. They were the main rival of Assyria until 714, when the barbaric Cimmerians crushed the Urartian army in the north. The Assyrians then invaded from the south and attacked Tushpa, the capital. The Assyrians were crushed and they turned back. The next time they invaded, they completely ignored Tushpa, saying that the Urartian cavalry was too strong. Urartu continued to deteriorate, aiding in the demise of Assyria and then, according to the Bible, were involved in an anti-Babylonian coalition. After that the Medes destroyed them and the Orontid Armenian kingdom arose from Urartu's rubble.

This is kind of off topic, but it is a question to help me with one of the scenarios that I am making for my big project, the Battle of Vartanantz. During this time, was the Sassanid Empire in control of Egypt?

The Avars and later the Bulgars overwhelmed much of the Balkans, and in the early 7th century the Sassanids invaded and conquered Egypt, Palestine, Syria and Armenia. The Persians were eventually defeated and the territories were recovered by Emperor Heraclius in 627.
this (http://habib.pourassad.com/sassanid_empire_map.gif) is probably the general area around the time of the battle of Vartanantz.

Thamis, I know how to change a map to vanilla, but I stink at placing resources.:cry: And thank you very much Dionysius!

i need a little help for this Canaan map. i have the mountains, hills, and grasslands done but the only land terrain is grass, no woods or resources,
and my computer keeps crashing awhile after i load the map.
the map is 40X80 in proportions, which seems about right for the map.

help for this Canaan mapI'll give it a shot right now, looks like fun.

Remember that MapView (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=141622) is a much better editor than WorldBuilder. :)

Dionysius, sorry to trouble you again, but could you make a vanilla version of the near east map? I am going to need it for my upcoming project (which will include Fall of Assyria scenario).
I`ll give it a try.

Dionysius, here's a version with terrain, features, and resources. I'm not attached to it, so please change it however you like.

thanks. you want to be put in on the credit?

credit?I don't really care.

i thought the crashings could be fixed by re-installing civ,
but after i uninstalled it i noticed the civ4 disk had a crack.
so, no maps for awhile. unless that mapview thing works, though.

i thought the crashings could be fixed by re-installing civ,
but after i uninstalled it i noticed the civ4 disk had a crack.
so, no maps for awhile. unless that mapview thing works, though.
After my Civ4 Conquests Disc cracked in half, I always make a copy and keep the original tucked away just in case the copy disc is damaged. Its like backing up your data; you don't necessary do it, until you have experienced a hard drive failure resulting in a loss of data.:(

Prepare for a long explanation Akhenaton.

The Urartians were one of the Hurrian tribes in Armenia. In 860, under king Aramu, they absorbed the surrounding tribes and organized a central state. Under the kings Menuas, Ishpuini, Argishti, and Sarduri II, Urartu became the strongest state in the region by conquering Kolchis, Syria, Cilicia, Lake Sevan, and the rest of Armenia. They were the main rival of Assyria until 714, when the barbaric Cimmerians crushed the Urartian army in the north. The Assyrians then invaded from the south and attacked Tushpa, the capital. The Assyrians were crushed and they turned back. The next time they invaded, they completely ignored Tushpa, saying that the Urartian cavalry was too strong. Urartu continued to deteriorate, aiding in the demise of Assyria and then, according to the Bible, were involved in an anti-Babylonian coalition. After that the Medes destroyed them and the Orontid Armenian kingdom arose from Urartu's rubble.
Thanks for the history on the Urartians.:)

A little feedback on the maps:

I find the normal and huge Med maps more fun to play. I think the main reason is that there are more resources on them. If basically every city can have at least one special resource, then I find the cities more interesting and my empire feels like it has more character. This, in my opinion, is one of the great things about Civ 4: the resources make your empires feel a lot less generic.

-- HT

ok, this thread is for people to post recommendations
and suggestions for TAM scenarios. but mostly cuz the
forum is empty. anyway, post away. ;)
[punic wars is in production, by the way].

I'd like a real Rise of Rome scenario (I mean a scenario that covers history of Rome from its birth to the end of Republic), with just Italy, Tunisia, Greece, Dalmatia and maybe a bit of France.

Civs:
Romans/Latins (leader Romulus, capital Roma)
Etruscans (Larth Papathna, Velznax (Volsinii))
Faliscans (& Veii) (Halesos, Falesioi (Falerii))
Samnites (Novio Vesullico, Bovaianom (Bovianum))
Magno-Greeks (Hippocrates, Syracoussai (Syracusae)
Mycenae (Agamemnon)
Illyrians (Teuta)
Gauls (Brennus)
Carthaginians (Dido)

And please a version with Schytia and the Middle East as well: Egypt, Seleucid Empire, Parthia, Armenia and Pontus! And the Nubians is a must! ;)

If you want a scenario with Armenia in it, what time period would you be talking about? Orontid or Artaxiad (Artaxiad with Tigranes, Orontid with Orontes).

I really love the Huge Mediteranian map -- I like the way the resources are, how city layout works, etc. Would there be any way to take part of the map and make a smaller map? So, for example, making a normal sized map that extends a bit east of Persiapolis to Egypt? I don't know how these map making tools work, so I don't know how easy that would be to do.

Other options would, of course, include Europe, Carthage-to-Phonecia, Black Sea, etc.

-- HT

Isn't there a map like the one you're suggesting in 1.96?

You can't take parts of a map, but you can make more new maps. :)

Thamis, any ETA on the Warlords release?

Sorry, no ETA. Definitely not before September.

I really love the Huge Mediteranian map -- I like the way the resources are, how city layout works, etc. Would there be any way to take part of the map and make a smaller map? So, for example, making a normal sized map that extends a bit east of Persiapolis to Egypt? I don't know how these map making tools work, so I don't know how easy that would be to do.

Other options would, of course, include Europe, Carthage-to-Phonecia, Black Sea, etc.

-- HT

I've been trying to find an appropriate map for civIV RFRE, and have written a perl script to chop parts of the map out and re-do the plot coordinates and BeginMap section. I haven't tried playing on such a map yet, but it does load and can get into worldbuilder.

This map trimmed down corresponds pretty well to the civIII RFRE map, but I have doubts that civIV can actually handle this scale. Or that most people have enough memory to handle it. How big does the game get by like.. 300BC, or 100AD?

This [huge Med] map trimmed down corresponds pretty well to the civIII RFRE map, but I have doubts that civIV can actually handle this scale. Or that most people have enough memory to handle it. How big does the game get by like.. 300BC, or 100AD?In this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=180393&page=5) Hypnotoad says that at 472 AD his save file was 1.3 MB. RAM, you'd have to ask him.

In my experience the limiting resource is computation: large games are annoyingly slow. I looked at a game on a 64x104 map in the modern era of vanilla civ and 4 AIs. The save file is 600 KB and when it runs Civ uses 700 MB of RAM. On a new, high-end machine, waiting for the AIs to finish their turns takes 30 seconds right after loading it, slowing down to at best 90 seconds after playing a while.

Sorry, while it is running, how much memory does it take? Minimize civIV and bring up the task manager. Sort by memory usage to bring civIV to the top!

The default Rhyes and Fall map, played till.. ~1400AD was taking around 720M. I haven't played TAM on the huge map yet.

I did try civIV on a computer with only 512M of RAM, but it got too painfully slow around the middle ages. XP dangerously trimmed down still takes ~120M.

512 MB RAM can be ok up to large maps on Win XP, although in the late stages it will be quite slower, but still playable. It also depends much on the video card.

If you want a scenario with Armenia in it, what time period would you be talking about? Orontid or Artaxiad (Artaxiad with Tigranes, Orontid with Orontes).

I want the time period to start shortly before the first punic war, and last to the imperial days, when Armenia became a part of the Empire....

Hmm, that passes through three Armenian dynasties! You could have Orontes, Tigranes, or maybe even the king that adopted Christianity to Armenia making it the first Christian nation in the world, Drtad III.;)

Dionysius, I have a map request. Could you make a map of the Caucasus, extending south to Ctesiphon, North to Kutaisi, East to Rhagae, and West to Caesarea? Please? I would really appreciate it. And no resources please.

I have info for Assyria, sorry if I take so long its just that I am working on my big project. (and school)

Leader: Ashurbanipal (Industrious, Financial) UU: ? UB: ?

City list: Ashur
Nineveh
Dur-Sharrukin
Nimrud
Nuzi
Khorsabad
Arrapkha
Kalakh
Haran
Wasbukkani
Carchemish
Ebla
Esnunna
Sippar
Other Sumerian and Babylonian cities...

By the way, do we have an ETA now Thamis?

Dionysius, I have a map request. Could you make a map of the Caucasus, extending south to Ctesiphon, North to Kutaisi, East to Rhagae, and West to Caesarea? Please? I would really appreciate it. And no resources please.
what size? and, will this area do?
also, i have civ4 again! :trophy:

Normal size please. Thanks Dionysius!:goodjob: Make sure it has Ctesiphon and Kutaisi in it, the other stuff is just preferred. By the way, could you put a caption saying where Ctesiphon and Kutaisi are? Not very good with that areas geography, Armenia and Anatolia are my fortes.

Thamis, now is there an ETA on the Warlords release? Is there anything I can do to help?

Normal size please. Thanks Dionysius!:goodjob: Make sure it has Ctesiphon and Kutaisi in it, the other stuff is just preferred. By the way, could you put a caption saying where Ctesiphon and Kutaisi are? Not very good with that areas geography, Armenia and Anatolia are my fortes.
have it almost done, maybe finished by tomorrow.
EDIT: removed map screenshot

Lake Asad on the Euphrates was created by damming in the 1970s.

What's that lake near Tehran?

Lake Asad on the Euphrates was created by damming in the 1970s.

What's that lake near Tehran?
drat, lake nasser all over again. i`ll amend it.
the lake is Daryecheh-Ye-Namak.
this map has it:
http://www.dr-ashori.com/images/iran_map_iran.jpg

Thank you very much! It looks exactly like what I want.:goodjob:

here is the map. no resources, forests and oasis and rivers in.

Thank you very much Dionysius!:goodjob: Now I can convert this for Warlords, and I can get my project actually on a map.:)

I want to make a list of all the scenarios that are going to be produced for TAM.

Punic Wars: In production by Dionysius (I think???)
Pontic Wars: Will start after Warlords update by Drtad
Fall of Assyria: Will start after Warlords update and the addition of a few more civs by Drtad

A few pages back kwarriorpoet and Dionysius (and I) had a Canaan/Judea thing going on.

Punic Wars: In production by Dionysius (I think???)
aheh... eventually i will get this done, but i have much schoolwork to get out of he way. same with Judaea, although it wouldnt be too difficult to do.
Drtad: your sig is a bit long, just put that quote in spoiler tags and it`ll be fine. :)

Thanks for the update Dionysius. I shorteneted my signature so that it gets to the main point faster.

Sorry to bug you again, Dionysius, but I have another map request, this is the last one, I promise. Its for Pontic Wars. I need the map west to Rome, north to Sokhumi, South to Babylon, and East to Tehran. Good luck.:goodjob:

Sorry to bug you again, Dionysius, but I have another map request, this is the last one, I promise. Its for Pontic Wars. I need the map west to Rome, north to Sokhumi, South to Babylon, and East to Tehran. Good luck.:goodjob:
could you provide a map? will get it done by and by,
am now addicted to Rome: total war so i am a little distracted :D
EDIT: will this area do?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/92317/Pontic_Wars.jpg

could you provide a map? will get it done by and by,
am now addicted to Rome: total war so i am a little distracted :D
If you have not already done so, try the Rome Total Realism mod, and the Europa Barbaricum mod. Both add so much more flavor and realism to the vanilla game. I like to play as Ptolemy's Egypt, Rome or Carthage. As a Ptolemy give me 8 phalanx units, 4 units of Ptolemaic Legionaires, 2 units of Nubian spearmen, 3 Egyptian archer units, and my general (e.g. companion cavalry) and I can beat the A.I.'s tail up and down the map. This grouping also works well in multi-player. Right now I cannot wait for Medieval Total War II. I so understand your distraction. ;)

If you have not already done so, try the Rome Total Realism mod, and the Europa Barbaricum mod. Both add so much more flavor and realism to the vanilla game. I like to play as Ptolemy's Egypt, Rome or Carthage. As a Ptolemy give me 8 phalanx units, 4 units of Ptolemaic Legionaires, 2 units of Nubian spearmen, 3 Egyptian archer units, and my general (e.g. companion cavalry) and I can beat the A.I.'s tail up and down the map. This grouping also works well in multi-player. Right now I cannot wait for Medieval Total War II. I so understand your distraction. ;)
thanks, but on the Rome total realism site it says you need to uninstall
RTW and reinstall it it as v1, but i bought Rome Total war gold with both barbarian invasion and all the patches. not sure if it will work :confused:

thanks, but on the Rome total realism site it says you need to uninstall
RTW and reinstall it it as v1, but i bought Rome Total war gold with both barbarian invasion and all the patches. not sure if it will work :confused:
Oh that's a bummer. What about Europa Barbaricum? Do you have the same issue with that one? There is a forum (many in fact) that deal almost exclusively with RTW; I will look one up and will PM you with the details. These two mods are too good be thwarted by a gold/combo install. I never had the problem because I bought the original game 5 minutes after it became available, lol. And I then bought the barbarians expansion when it came out. Barbarians was a disappointment to many of the fans of RTW in that it was too "cartoony" and unrealistic. I uninstalled the expansion on my desktop; restored the original game with patches and reinstalled Total Realism. And I was in heaven. :D Anyway I will get back to you.

If anyone is interested the two RTW forums that really stand out from the pack are: www.stratcommandcenter.com and www.twcenter.net Enjoy! ;)

I am also slacking off because of Rome TW and Medieval TW. I'll try that realism mod Akhenaton. And the map is perfect Dionysius, exactly what I wanted. I needed the eastern part so far because the Armenian Empire was very large and I also wanted a shrinking Parthia in the scenario.

I understand completely Drtad. RTW and MTW are truly masterpieces of computer gaming.

BMP converter is "actin` the maggot", so will be delayed a little.

Dionysius (or anyone else): how would you feel about making a large (not normal, not huge) mediterranean map? I would be more than happy to do the resources. I even have some books that tell me where people got their resources from in the ancient mediterranean. I like having something larger than the normal, but the huge is just too... big.

Hows the map coming along Dionysius? Adn about that being the last map I'll request... I lied:sad: . I need one last map to complete my pack of mods and scenarios for a large modpack. I'll need a normal size map of west to Constantinople, East to Baku, North to Tblisi, and South to Tarsus (the coast of Anatolia to the Mediterranean sea. This is the last one I promise! (again)

I am having trouble getting my map to work. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I am making an Eastern Med Map. I did this by taking the huge map, deleting the X=0 --> X=54 and X=135-180. I then did a search and replace to change all of the X's in the appropriate way so now everything is in X=0 --> 79. I deleted the appropriate civs and renumbered appropriately.

So when I start up the game, I get to choose from the right leaders and it starts up. But then it immediately says that I'm defeated. I've looked at the map and it looks right. What do I need to have the settler and warrior show up right? I've looked at other files and I don't see a difference.

I've attached my working file.

http://download.yousendit.com/2137C3D77D4671B0

That problem is such a *****. It's something about how the civs are defined (and/or their starting units) but I've always fixed it by screwing around and never figuring out exactly what the problem is. Last I checked (a while ago) there were some allusions to it in other threads but no clear explanation or solution.

Edit: Ha, ha, world filter.

I'll take a look at it and get back to you.

I took a look at the map, and I have no idea of what could be wrong. Istarted a game as the Hittites and I was defeated instantly. Maybe I'll have a solution later today.

By the by, I also posted in the Customization Forum:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=4691920#post4691920

No real answers yet.

EDIT: Remove the last edit, as the poster took back his claim.

As someone said, Egypt vs Hittite would be an awesome scenario. During Rammese the Second(Great) Era where he wanted Kaddesh but didn't get it.

Hello all,

I haven't read all 7 pages of this thread so I don't know if someone else had this idea. It's not strictly historical but I thought it would be a interesting to play a semi-fictitious Bronze Age Greece using the Magna Grecia map but with most of the ancient cities as separate players or already placed barbarian towns. Cities like Mycenae, Sparta, Athens, Argos, Corinth, Thebes, Troy (Illum), Sardes, etc. up to 16 or so, each starting with one or two cities or towns surrounded by barbarian towns. The current scenario has only seven civs and lots of open ground which dosen't make for that interesting of a game, in my opinion. I think having a scenario that spans only the Bronze Age, or a little into the early classical age, and has most of the ancient cities and towns already placed and having to conquer them would be quite entertaining.

It could also be fun to add a few Mythological elements, such as wonders like Jason & the Argonauts voyage to get the Golden Fleece, Perseus and the Medusa, the Walls of Troy, the Midas touch, etc. Maybe even having mythological creatures here and there. I know that this is a bit fantastic for TAM, but you've already created such a brilliant depiction of the age I can't think of anyone else who could do it well.

I knwo nothing about modding (and am on a MAC) but I do have a lot of good reference of the Ageaean and what towns and cities may have existed, and am pretty familiar with ancient Greek mythology. If this idea strikes anyones fancy let me know and maybe we can put something together.

Dalmuti

Hello all,

I haven't read all 7 pages of this thread so I don't know if someone else had this idea. It's not strictly historical but I thought it would be a interesting to play a semi-fictitious Bronze Age Greece using the Magna Grecia map but with most of the ancient cities as separate players or already placed barbarian towns. Cities like Mycenae, Sparta, Athens, Argos, Corinth, Thebes, Troy (Illum), Sardes, etc. up to 16 or so, each starting with one or two cities or towns surrounded by barbarian towns. The current scenario has only seven civs and lots of open ground which dosen't make for that interesting of a game, in my opinion. I think having a scenario that spans only the Bronze Age, or a little into the early classical age, and has most of the ancient cities and towns already placed and having to conquer them would be quite entertaining.

Dalmuti

What I would like to see is similar to this but with no settlers available to be built. Have each civ start with just one or two cities. Everyone starts out fairly equal and the only way to grow is to conquer other cities. This represents a 'mature' city-state environment where all significant cities have already been established and now war and diplomacy will decide who will dominate the Greek world.

A Rise of Rome scenario would be nice. No one is really doing anything spanning the entire mediterranean/middle east and the mediterranean normal map is perfect for this. If anybody else is interested... I'll do the map, as long as you do everything else. I have a good source for ancient cities of this time.