Please vote for a candidate to be the foreign minister of Fanatica part two, since we had a tie. The candidates are:

croxis
Emp.Napoleon

The poll is private and will remain open for 72 hours. Link to the first Election thread. Good luck to the candidates!

EDIT. The winner of this poll better tell us what to say to other team on how we want to be contacted via here (http://evo-games.net/Home/viewtopic.php?t=3414) I would assume that we would do it via our email address at first and then we might tell of other methods later.

Sorry people, shocking as this may be to some of you but i have a life outside cfc :D i'd have posted this sooner otherwise.

Our email address would be fine. As for me I would make an embassy room for IRC for real time communication.

I guess the president should do it..if he doesnt post a poll I will later.

Question for both of you... Since we may not meet anyone..What will you do to keep yourself busy?
AND
Lets suppose another civ gives us information about a third civ that they are located in a certain area and preparing an attack on us. Would you suggest an attack on the 3rd civ first or would you wait for them to attack first?

/hard to answer by just give me your thought process on the issue.

I'll address the second question first.

There are several factors involved that need to be considered. In general I am an advocate to pursue peaceful solutions with the third nation. The next factor is the current reputation of the two other nations, followed by previous relationships we had with them in previous games. To supplement this I would request evidence from the second civ to support their 'warning' - be it screenshots (when we have paper) or chat logs.

I would say in most situations I would argue a case for either actively pursuing a peaceful solution, or prepare for a possible invasion by building up the military at home. Pursuing a pre-emptive strike is an option I would only argue for if the military commanders can assure me and the people that we have a strong chance of victory for the operation (whatever that may be) with an exit strategy just in case, OR if the will of the people and government prompt me to fulfill my civic duty by a poll.

To keep a productive office I also plan on appointing a diplomat to be ready when we achieve first contact (when I read that from Emp I hit my head on the desk to how blatantly obvious it was). The drama about the map suggest that this could possibly be relatively soon. As the extent of a diplomats power was intentionally left out of the constitution it becomes important to begin the conversation with all of you on the extent of power a diplomat will posses.

I guess the president should do it..if he doesnt post a poll I will later.

Question for both of you... Since we may not meet anyone..What will you do to keep yourself busy?
AND
Lets suppose another civ gives us information about a third civ that they are located in a certain area and preparing an attack on us. Would you suggest an attack on the 3rd civ first or would you wait for them to attack first?

/hard to answer by just give me your thought process on the issue.


To keep busy I will begin to collect intelligence on the other teams. In the ISDG II Duck of Flanders made a major list of all the other term’s other players and their info and anything else we knew about them. My assistant and I will work on this list involving who is in office, their location (for time zone reasons,) any ISDG experience, etc. In addition I will transport all of my notes on CivBrasil from the old (still secret) form and move them into this database. During this project, all will need to help since I don’t leave the ISDG often and others may have played with these guys in succession games etc.

For the second question, I believe it depends on if we know their targets and if our 2nd party is willing to help. If they could pass on information (like CDG did in the MSDG did with us and GCA) about what cities they will attack and their routs, I say bring them to our land, a defensive war is always better if we are prepared. With this information we will be able to launch a good counteroffensive and leave them unprepared. If we know they are coming, we can choose the battlefields and our guys will heal better.

But I am not, nor ever will be a good general. The chances of all of this information coming in this exact are possible, just unlikely. I will let those more experienced make the decision about this. But in the end, if we know we are going to be attacked, I would rather take the slight diplomatic reputation loss then risk losing land. When everyone knows they were preparing to attack us anyways, our diplomatic status will be restored.

Oh my gosh, are you kidding? 8-8 as of this post.

Do we do a second runoff in the event of another tie? :crazyeye:

Well i could finally vote to end the tie...... but both of them are 2 very good candidates so i may be forced to abstain again. I cant think of any questions so you 2 got anything to sway my mind?

I don't think bribing the president would give them a good rep. ;)

Well i accept gifts........ ;)

Here's another question to the candidates: how heavily will you rely on/use ambassadors?

I think we need to add a tie breaker to the ruleset..somethign other than another vote

What would be the other tie breaker then?

well after one run off..... the officers that were elected get together and decide.... OR... dump it on highest official elected (pres/domes/for/UN)

Yeah I know feelings may get hurt but if you end in a tie twice..odds are you wont break it. And if you go that long without an officer..things could start happening.

Here's another question to the candidates: how heavily will you rely on/use ambassadors?

They will be advisors to me on foreign policy. While I will be the main person to set it, if a citizen wants to have a vote on something I would be obliged to follow a poll as long as it is efficient. They will be the main points of contact and will always be ready to accept foreign nationals. Of course, since some people sleep, I will always try to be available whenever I can. They will assist in intelligence gathering on who is holding office, how many active players, etc during all diplomatic chats.

They will present treaties and help write them. Depending on the situation they will usually do most of the talking at chats, however I will keep a CFC only channel going and we will all talk there (does not mean no one else can talk.)

I would like ambassadors who do not live in the same time zone as I (PST.) This way we can always have someone from the FM ready to go.

Darn you Emp, I was going to say something along those lines! *shakes fist*

I'm a PST person too =P

Anyways, pardon all the spelling and grammatical errors. Its late at night and I can't sleep do to the heat we are having right now.

The ambassadors will be very important to me, as this will be my first minister position (I was an ambassador for the MTDG, but this was years ago). The first ambassadors selected will also be based on their past experiences with the multi-site games, even if they are in the same timezone ;). I very much do welcome advice from those who done all this before.

Due to the world wide nature of the internet I think it is important that the entire Foreign Office works together and supports each other. While I think it is vital that the ambassador develops a strong and knowledgeable relationship with their contacts, I also think that it is important that the office responds quickly and accurately even if another member of the office just responds with "we received your message and <insert name> will respond when they are available."

I also would like to give the ambassadors a good deal of autonomy, allowing them to negotiate minor deals based on current foreign policy(but still report them back to our nation). Obviously this particular point should be discussed and accepted by the people and government but I feel it will give the ambassadors a little bit more to do and prevent us from being bogged down in endless polls.

I think the tie braker should be whoever have the most quote entries in my quote book on the chatroom :mischief:

Perhaps they could share the portfolio this term and see who has done a better job and then we vote again the next term.

Well, they can share the huge workload. 1/2 x 0 still equals 0 :) No, I don't know how to split it... maybe you two could play a duel quick deathmatch to decide? :)

The votes now say croxis, 9-8.

Well, they can share the huge workload. 1/2 x 0 still equals 0 :) No, I don't know how to split it... maybe you two could play a duel quick deathmatch to decide? :)
If there is still a tie at the end, then the only way to settle this is by rock/paper/sissors. :yeah:

If there is still a tie at the end, then the only way to settle this is by rock/paper/sissors. :yeah:

I am a BIG rock paper scissors decisoin makign guy....

I like it..a PM version..they PM 3 officals their choice. Then we announce the winner. Man now thats the way all decsiosn should be made.

Incidentally....My wife and I have used (ocassionally) rock,paper, scissors to see who has to change the diapers. I used it recently to settle a dispute in my Youth group I was head of. No one can argue....no skill no favoritism...just pure chance.

I want to include it in our code of laws as a tie breaker

In fact we shoud name our next three cites "rock", "paper" and "scissors". That will delay us arguing over names for at least a month.

That will delay us arguing over names for at least a month.
:lol: That would be great!

I am a BIG rock paper scissors decisoin makign guy....

I like it..a PM version..they PM 3 officals their choice. Then we announce the winner. Man now thats the way all decsiosn should be made.

Incidentally....My wife and I have used (ocassionally) rock,paper, scissors to see who has to change the diapers. I used it recently to settle a dispute in my Youth group I was head of. No one can argue....no skill no favoritism...just pure chance.

I want to include it in our code of laws as a tie breaker

In fact we shoud name our next three cites "rock", "paper" and "scissors". That will delay us arguing over names for at least a month.I remember watchin Australia's version of "Who wants to be a Millionaire?", and they had a nearly wed show, where soon to be married couples and there was bit of discussion between a couple and I said to my mum, "To solve this, they need to go rock, paper, scissors." My mum said that noone one on tv would do that, and right after my mum said that, the woman of the couple suggested that they do r,p,s to decide the choice they would make. No if only they did this for the Middle east, things would be so much easier. :D

I dont like the whole me deciding idea as i cant decide yet.... :( seriously one of you say something stupid-or highlight something the other has said thats just plain wrong!

Emp is a silly poo poo headed frog licking beetle crunching maggot snorting dodo brain!

Croxis is a tree hugger:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e36/EMPNAP/lorax.gif

Now Mr. Croxis, can you explain this? I didn't think so.

Now, can Fanatica Depend on a Tree Hugger? NO Our FM needs to be willing to hug other people too. What will other nations think when our FM is worried about the trees than other people. Tree huggers will bring about the end of this nation. Trees will attack us on all fronts, and our nation will be unable to defend against them when we have an imposter in our FM.

Tree Huggers and FM don't mix


Checkmate

*black and white still images with OMG WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE music in the background*

Emp.Napoleon has gone on record saying he hates the environment. This radical anti social behavior will put our great nation at risk if he is elected to FM. By hating the environment he has no concern for the future of our people, meaning he wont hug you too. And to make matters far worse:

He hates kittens.

*switch to colour video with happy background music with small, woodland creatures bouncing around in the background*

croxis's love for the environment is a sign that he loves our nation and will work to make it a prosperous one. He loves everyone, even the trees, and he too will hug you too.

Even the kittens.

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but its not tied....you guys are funny however

Serious question..and since I voted it doesnt matter.

We are playing other cultures in this game. Russian, brazil, others...Will you take into account the "national personality" into account when dealing with them. For example..if you have dealth with brazilians they are a proud group that typically will argue with their last breath and generally do not have much respect for women. woudl you try to use that to our advantage..inother know you renemy adn use that

but its not tied....you guys are funny however

Serious question..and since I voted it doesnt matter.

We are playing other cultures in this game. Russian, brazil, others...Will you take into account the "national personality" into account when dealing with them. For example..if you have dealth with brazilians they are a proud group that typically will argue with their last breath and generally do not have much respect for women. woudl you try to use that to our advantage..inother know you renemy adn use that


Are you asking me if I would not appoint a woman to ambassador to CBR just because you think they are racist? In fact in ISDG II their ambassador to CFC and later Foreign Minster was a woman.

I will use any advantage we have, but I am sure Croxis would do the same.

I would also say that were is no such thing as “National Personality.” Many of us USA people would be very different and with very different personalities and ideologies. The same would apply for the Russians and the Brazilians. Not all of the Brazilians were proud, not all were sexest.

Maybe I just misinterpreted your question, could you rephrase it?

GENERALLY..there are cultural differences that influence the way a person thinks.( america may be the exception).

SO you will see an Asian approach diplomancy very differntly than some one from Brazil. Russia different than both.

I see you are younger than me( not an issue dont take it as such) But in grad school I was working with Brazilians, Columbia and Chinese students who when placed in a certain situation all reacted differntly. When the professor explained cultural learning and how it influences how we see ourselves in teh world... their reactions made sense based on their national history.

SO my questions is..sort round about way to get there..will you check on the forums we are dealing with and try to use their"cultural" history to our advantage. You have a couple of cultures..the forum culture and the national culture.


Does that explain what I am looking for. Basically you cant treat every forum the same in diplo. example...You may be able to joke with one culture about backstabbing them but not another.

Four hour nap in the afternoon is NOT a good idea...

While yes, I will use advantages we have, however I think there is a very dangerous line that we MUST be careful of. You are correct in that cultures bring about different ways of looking, understanding, and acting in the universe (different paradigms if you will), even Americans. What we must be careful of is forcing the portrayal of stereotypes. If I read a passive aggressive subtext in something insinuating I'm a dumb fanatical American Christian I will be very very insulted. (After dating my boyfriend I have become very good at find passive aggressive undertones ;). Heck, if we want to send an angry letter I may just have him help write it!).

I see three levels of culture, the national background of the forums (as, and please voice exceptions as your knowledge will be very helpful, but for example this is a western centric forum), the culture of the forum, as well as the culture of the two interacting ambassadors. Refining our interactions into the context of these different cultural background will very much help forward our agenda.

Sadly my background in this context is based in gender and sexuality (if any of you people have lady issues, I can also set up the Ministry Of Love and offer dating and relationship advice), but with the foundation in place I will be using the cultural experience of our community to help us win.

SO my questions is..sort round about way to get there..will you check on the forums we are dealing with and try to use their"cultural" history to our advantage. You have a couple of cultures..the forum culture and the national culture.

Does that explain what I am looking for. Basically you cant treat every forum the same in diplo. example...You may be able to joke with one culture about backstabbing them but not another.

In that case, of course my ministry will. It will be part of the intellegance part. We will have to check their forums to get infromation about leaders and their backround. This information will be important for us getting the upper hand. And we will take cultural differences in account, but we will not sterotype one group of people from one nation all thinking the same.

Damn.......

=Þ

Well congratulations Croxis-we finally have a foreign minister :)

So now we cant chop trees...blasted tree hugger. Joking Croix. Congrats to both of you.

/Rob who likes to make things out of wood in RL.

So now who are going to be your diplomats to the teams?

I think that we should wait until we meet a team before appointing someone to be an ambassador.