Time to start SGing again.

Version: RAR 1.04 prebeta
Settings: random, open to discussion
Difficulty: Emperor or Demigod, also open to discussion.
Variant: None at all, this is for scrubbing off the RaR rust, or learning about RaR, depending what you've done before.
VCs: All enabled, all allowed.
Rules: I'm sure these have been formalised somewhere, but meh. Summary is exploits bad, reputation good. 24 hr got it, 48 to play.

Roster:

Sanabas
Despair888
Classical Hero
Azzaman333
Beorn-el-Feared
Ansar?

OK, this one is set to go too. Emperor or Demigod? What sort of level are you guys comfortable playing? I'll make this continents, random civ I haven't played for a while, and simply take the first non-ugly start I roll.

The difficulty doesn't matter to me. Whatever you guys are comfortable with works.

If I had to choose one though, I'd say Emperor because I haven't played RaR in a while. Either one is fine though.

Oh yeah, I forgot: Everybody has RaR 1.04 prebeta installed, don't they?

EDIT: Nevermind, Found it.

Yea i have 1.04 prebeta.

I'd prefer it to be Emperor, since i dont really know a thing about RAR, except that there is a lot of different techs, units, buildings.

Haven't played RaR for almost a year myself :blush:.
Open spot for me?

Doc Tsiolkovski , if you don't mind then please check your Private Inbox .

Actually I asked for a link to RaR 1.02 or whatever it is .

EDIT : nevermind I found it , thanks anyway !

Haven't played RaR for almost a year myself :blush:.
Open spot for me?

Absolutely, happy to have you. You sound in the same boat as I am.

Level has been unilaterally decided as Demigod, since I know the sort of level both DocT and myself are at.

Roster:

Sanabas
Despair888
DocT
Classical Hero
Azzaman
Beorn-el-Feared

I'll roll a start and play soon.

Absolutely, happy to have you. You sound in the same boat as I am.

Level has been unilaterally decided as Demigod, since I know the sort of level both DocT and myself are at.

Roster:

Sanabas
Despair888
DocT
Classical Hero
Azzaman
Beorn-el-Feared

I'll roll a start and play soon.

Looking forward to this one also. It's been a while since I've played RaR.

This one is underway too. We are Russia, EXP & SCI, random opponents, continents map, roaming barbarians. Our UU is the Cossack, a 5/3/2 with blitz & extra hp version of the 6/3/2 dragoon.

Roll a start, see 2 huts, hill to found on, but no food bonus. It's not great, but certainly not too ugly.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads12/sana05start.jpg

Ranger pops the western hut, gets pottery
Tribe moves 1N and founds Moscow on a coastal hill with fresh water.
Moscow starts a ranger, research started on Ritualism. I want to get to Dynasticism ASAP, I want to get to second tier techs quickly as well, as first tier can usually be popped or traded. Ritualism lets us go straight to writing.

3800BC: Moscow builds Ranger-->Granary. In chiefdom, our food situation is very ugly. Granary will finish 2 turns before moscow grows.

3750BC: Pop hut, get Boat Building

3550BC: Pop hut, get a village. St Petersburg starts a wiseman.

3500BC: Pop a hut, get Sailing
Meet China. Domestication & Boat Building get us Masonry and 20 gold
Pottery & Sailing get us Warfare

3400BC: Research Ritualism, start Writing

3200BC: Meet Siam. Masonry and Domestication get us Cultivation and 65 gold.
Cultivation and Ritualism to China get us Scrape Mining

3100BC: Moscow builds Granary -->Starts Tribal Guard. I'm nervous about China, I want at least a vet T.G. in both cities.

3000BC: St Pete's finishes wiseman, starts Harbour. I should have switched the wiseman to a harbour, but I thought about it too late. Until we reach Dynasticism, our only 3 food square is St Pete's pearls using a harbour.
Pop a hut, get a tribe. :dance:
For those who have forgotten/don't know, tribes treat all terrain as roads, and see 2 squares. This tribe can help us explore until we find a good city location with it.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads12/sana053000bc.jpg

The Save (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads12/Sana05_3000_BC.SAV)

The roster:

Sanabas - just played
Despair888 - up
Classical Hero - on deck
DocT
Azzaman
Beorn-el-Feared

Got it. Will play within an hour.

EDIT: May take me till morning. Missing a few files for RaR, need to reinstall and try again.

2950 BC - Move Worker to St. Petersburg. Move Scouts
IBT - Nothing
2900 BC - Nothing. Move Rangers around. Found Kiev
IBT - Nothing
2850 BC - Nothing
IBT - Nothing
2800 BC - Moscow Finishes TG. Starts Clan
IBT - Nothing
2750 BC - Meet Vikings, trade them Pottery for 100 gold.
IBT - Nothing
2710 BC - Move Rangers around...
IBT - Nothing

2670 BC - Move Scouts around. Waiting for Writing to trade for Slavery and Caste System.
IBT - Barbarians approach St. Petersburg.

2630 BC - Production from St. Petersburg is switched from Harbor to TG.
IBT - Nothing

2590 BC - Trade Writing + 105 Gold for Caste System (Chinese). Researching Urbanization. Also trade Writing + 5 Gold to Siam for Slavery. Move Worker so it doesn't die to Barbs. Set Lux Slider to 30%
IBT - Siam sends spearman one space away from St. Petersburg

2550 BC - TG is finished. :thumbsup: Production at St. Petersburg set back to Harbor.

Overall Thoughts: I didn't really know exactly what to do with the tribe. I did see it could make a city, and Kiev is a pretty good spot. Sorry if I maybe messed that up a bit, I think I did everything else decent, considering it's been a year or two. I did get Caste System from the Chinese, along with Slavery from Siam. We need Urbanization, then we will be able to get Dynasticism.

Some comments:
Russia - glad about this. haven't played them since ages, IIRC I *never* played them in 1.04.
Opening turns: Nothing to add. Capital location is a superb choice, research/trade choices were fine. No food bonus? Ugly...
Second set: Moscow cannot finish a Clan under Despotism. Needs to be switched...
The Tribe: Extremely handy for Scouting, and, it would have worked as MP :crazyeye: . Guess I had waited to use it for a resource spot, Iron/Gold or something else comparably valuable.
Despair, could we get a screenie, to discuss the resource situation, and city spots?

Bet Moscow sits on Grapes or Coffee... :mad:.

Yeah, we can. My bad on the tribe thing, I haven't played RaR in so long. Also, the Clan still had a couple turns left, so production can be switched.

Image coming, one min.

Here it is.

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Sorry, no idea how to make it bigger. Just click on it. It's an over-view so I didn't have to post 5 pics.

Interesting spot for Kiev...not necessarily a bad choice, but maybe we should settle 2 cities (one NNW, the other WW) later in the game and abandon it? For now, it serves a great purpose in preventing the AI from settling all those resource spots.
Gold for the capital, great.

That would work. That was one of the main reasons I put it there for now.

There would've probably been other good spots, but that one was near a few resources. I was hoping we could build a couple culture buildings and build one or two more cities in that area to cover them all. Either way, doesn't matter to me.

Sorry sanabas, I'll be lurking. My time is very limited nowadays and school is soon starting.

Great RaR SG started , I'll be watching around and earn some skills playing RaR .
Today I played my first one , I'm still allive there but I let other Empires be stronger , what I never do .

That would work. That was one of the main reasons I put it there for now.

There would've probably been other good spots, but that one was near a few resources. I was hoping we could build a couple culture buildings and build one or two more cities in that area to cover them all. Either way, doesn't matter to me.

Sounds reasonable. We might want to drop a monument in there now to pick up that rice to the SW, then it can pump clans after dynasticism to grap all the resources.

Russia - glad about this. haven't played them since ages, IIRC I *never* played them in 1.04.

Same. And I like the idea of a UU that is unique, rather than simply beefing up one of a/d/m. I tossed a coin between russia and Zulus.

No food bonus? Ugly...

Yeah, and none anywhere near us that I've seen. An apple over by Siam is the closest.

Second set: Moscow cannot finish a Clan under Despotism. Needs to be switched...

Yes please. We are not the AI.

The Tribe: Extremely handy for Scouting, and, it would have worked as MP . Guess I had waited to use it for a resource spot, Iron/Gold or something else comparably valuable.

Yeah. But that's why it's a RAR warmup, rust is to be expected. We can't build tribes, ATAR and 2 tile sight is really useful, I usually reserve them for really good city locations, such as FP camels.

Anybody want to have a go at a dotmap?

Also, we have the western part of that continent to ourselves, don't we? 2 units on the two tiles south of moscow create a choke, so I think we want to expand east now, then to the west at leisure, unless there's a really good spot to the west to grab early.

The roster:

Sanabas -
Despair888 -
Classical Hero - up
DocT - on deck
Azzaman
Beorn-el-Feared

Yeah. But that's why it's a RAR warmup, rust is to be expected. We can't build tribes, ATAR and 2 tile sight is really useful, I usually reserve them for really good city locations, such as FP camels.

My bad. It's been so long since I've played RaR. I'll get better with it as we go along. I'll try to read some more on it here in a bit. I hope I did alright.

My bad. It's been so long since I've played RaR. I'll get better with it as we go along. I'll try to read some more on it here in a bit. I hope I did alright.

Yeah, looked good to me. Feel like giving us a dotmap?

I gave a map. No idea how to make tem big though. Out of curiosity, what exactly is a dotmap?

A dotmap is a map of where we want to put our next few cities. Take a screenie the same way you did, open it up in paint, and put coloured dots where you want our cities to be. To upload it, simply click on 'upload file' down the bottom of the page. Then you'll have a url for it, at civfanatics.../uploads12/sana05dotmap.jpg, or something similar. put that address inside [img] tags, and it will appear in your post.

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Still no idea how to get them to appear on screen bigger. I suppose it doesn't matter that much though. We need to expore the area between those two rivers. I laid out a couple possible good spots, nothing else looks like any one spot would be better than others.

I think you should press "Z" and then take the screenshot

I think you should press "Z" and then take the screenshot

First page. There is already one with Z pressed.:crazyeye:

What I meant by "on screen bigger", if that's what you're referring to, is how to get it like the ones Sanabas posts, to where they are bigger on the forum.

First page. There is already one with Z pressed.:crazyeye:

What I meant by "on screen bigger", if that's what you're referring to, is how to get it like the ones Sanabas posts, to where they are bigger on the forum.

Use the [img] tags. Put the url of the image inside the tags.

If you want it to be really big you can fax all of us a 11 x 17 printout of the screen, although we should all be handy enough to pick up the save and look for ourselves if we want them pictures.

although we should all be handy enough to pick up the save and look for ourselves if we want them pictures.

That's kind of what I figured, but.... People need pics I guess.

If you want it to be really big you can fax all of us a 11 x 17 printout of the screen, although we should all be handy enough to pick up the save and look for ourselves if we want them pictures.
:lol: Actually, no. Somehow I can't figure out how to do this.... :mischief:


Despair: Absolutely no prob with the Tribe; this one is intended as kind of a warm-up game, and if we only manage to grab both Iron and Horses (which is extremely likely), victory is pretty assured, and we can afford even some major blunders.

:lol: Actually, no. Somehow I can't figure out how to do this.... :mischief:

Hahaha, I didn't even notice it was missing. Despair, can we please have the save?

Classical Hero, you are up. It's been 24 hours+, are you here?

Whoops. I'm surprised no one said anything before. :lol:

Sorry about that. I got confused about the numbers because I already saw a Sana 05 and thus was waiting for Sana 07.

Preturn. I move a Bonus grassland to the pearls outside of St. Petersburg and increase the science rate by four turns. The effect on production is nothing because that shield is wasted anyway.

IBT. The Barbs move towards our worker. and our city.

Turn 1. I move the worker to safety.

IBT. We defeat the Barb.

Turn 2. Moscow cannot build a clan so I build a worker housing instead. I left it to buil the clan to see what happened, but I was surprised that it wa being built considering that it will not grow above 2 an thus we need to build the more expensive Hardy clan if we are to settle. I should have ready the whole thread before I started. :shake:
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1712/moscowproblemcj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

IBT. Not much.

Turn 3. We build a worker housing and start work on a hardy clan.

IBT. Not much.

Turn 4. I turn off the Lux slider because we do not need have all our citizen happy, just enough to stop them from rioting. Actually we do not need any lux because we have few citizens and thus the lux rate is not needed. Once we get up to 3 citizens in some towns, then we can increase the rate, but not now.

IBT. Not much, except being asked to leave for haveing a Ranger in the territory of the Vikings.

Turn 5. More exploration. Having alook at the Victory screen is very difficult because China and the Vikings are almost the same clour. :lol:

IBT. Not much.

Turn 6. More exploration.

IBT. :zzz:

Turn 7. More exploration.

IBT. not Much.

Turn 8. We discover Urbanisation and now start on Dynastism. We will get it in 14 turns. I also do this deal with China.
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6287/chinadealkt0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

IBT. Nothing.

Turn 9. I move a Moscow BG to the gold and increase the rate of the production for the Hardy clan, but it means that Moscow is losing food, but there should be enough food to keep it at 2 when the HC is built.

IBT. I thought some Barbs would attack our Rnager, but they did not.

Turn 10. More exploration.

Here is the situation as I leave it.
Moscow. If I am incorrect about the situation and Moscow will go down to 1 bbefore the production of the HC, then obviously we need to change it. Just doing some counting, we can change the last turn back to the BG and we still will get the HC in three turns, so whoever takes over, remember that because we must try and setle faster than the AI. We must get to that Iron Horse spot before the AI.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2306/moscowbr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Here is the Mini map so we can see the whole situation as it stands.
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/796/minimapxs5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The Save. (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads12/Sana_05_2150_RaR.SAV)

Sana05
Inherited:
Should work out with the Hardy in Moscow…though I’d seriously prefered an escort for it. Lets just hope we’ll get him safe down to the South.
Hit enter.

Turn 1: 2110BC
Scouting.
IBT: Barb shows up 2 S of Moscow. Shanghai founded on the way to ‘our’ spot (but not actually stealing a tile). Siam learns Urbanization.

Turn 2: 2070BC
Scouting. Ranger ends next to a Barb.
IBT: Hardy finished, Moscow drops to pop1. Barb there turns away, other Barb way down in the SE does not attack our Ranger.
Moscow Hardy->TG, Kiev TG->Worker.

Turn 3: 2030BC
Send the TG from the capital with the Hardy.
IBT: Mao demands and gets 23gp.

Turn 4: 1990BC
Huts gives Fermentation. :lol: Kiev also has Grapes right outside its borders. See no need to sell it, no Techs know by the AIs.
IBT: Pete Harbor -> WH

Turn 5: 1950BC
Zzz…Rangers scout, Worker roads, Hardy+escort wander around.
IBT: Ragnar demans our Ranger out, no prob dude – that was my intention anyway.

Turn 6: 1910BC
:rotfl: The Scotts of all tribes teach us Weaving. Guess what we do not have?

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads12/weaving2.jpg

Turn 7: 1870BC
The Barb near our core is still around, and threats our combo…evade.

Turn 8: 1830BC
Zzzz…
IBT: Babylon completes The Oracle. Siam knows Dynasticism, we’ll get it in 3.

Turn 9: 1790BC
Siam would only offer like 70gp out of 419 for each of our Techs. Not worth it; but, get 130gp from Ragnar for Myst (which everyone else in the world should already know).
IBT: Oh crap, Siam demands Fermentation. Considering our immense military, I cave…
Moscow TG->Archer (?). China has Dyna as well; research time drops for one turn.

Turn 10: 1750BC
Ragnar has a Worker for sale – cannot remember if we’re allowed to do so; we would get him and his odd 24gp for a cheap tech.

Comments:
No good spots near the core revealed; Coffee in abundance near Kiev. The combo and a Ranger will be demanded out IBT, should be no problem.
I for one would finish the Archer (or another vet TG, or a Vet Warrior if you’d like to gamble) before revolting, there is a Barb close to Moscow in the fog. Hope we’ll grab the Iron/Horses – by all means, do found it on the coastal plains, despite the Grapes; otherwise, we’ll have to rely on Chinese roads.
Then, I’d get some infra and units up; some Vet Warriors may be nice. Could be used to block the way to our peninsula, and can be upgrade one we connect Iron; not much use for cash anyway.
No end of turns pic, nothing interesting revealed in the last couple of turns.
Oh, and don't forget the Viking Worker, if that's fine.

The Save ( http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads12/Sana05_1750BC.zip)

Looks good. I'm always happy to buy workers if they're available, free labour is always good. Be nice to get out of chiefdom too, especially given our complete lack of food bonuses.

Thoughts for post-dynasticism research? I'm usually a fan of <insert tech I can't remember>, then philo, to take democracy as our freebie. I think I prefer democracy to republic for the cash-rush ability, but I might be wrong.

The roster:

Sanabas -
Despair888 -
Classical Hero -
DocT -
Azzaman - up
Beorn-el-Feared - on deck

I am with you on the tech path.

Free labour is always good.I am surrounded by syndicalists and left-wing union people where I live, so I barely dare repeat that one aloud :lol:

Diplomacy always sounds good when you don't plan on :whipped:, which is mostly all the time.

I am surrounded by syndicalists and left-wing union people where I live, so I barely dare repeat that one aloud :lol:

Diplomacy always sounds good when you don't plan on :whipped:, which is mostly all the time.

Tell 'em we want to build slave trade, and avoid emancipation for as long as possible. ;) Got to love the collossus effect of it.

Just a reminder. I'll be gone Friday - most of Monday.

Although it may not matter for this game. Still a few people who need to go before I do.

Got it.

Azzaman, have you played yet? It's been 72 hours plus.

I'll have to ask for a skip.

*must resist warlords, must resist warlords, must resist warlord :twitch:*

The roster:

Sanabas - on deck
Despair888 -
Classical Hero -
DocT -
Azzaman - skipped
Beorn-el-Feared - up

Will look into this tonight

I just got back. Just to give you a heads up. However, it looks like we got absolutely nowhere when I was gone! :dance:

We get nowhere fast when it's my turn up, buddy :)

Pre-Turn:
Lower science.
Remember it's an exploit to circumvent rate cap.
Increase science.
Buy Worker+24g for writing (cheapest was wheel but he's gotta have started it because he won't do the deal)

IT
Dynasticism >> CoL onwards the Demo slinger
4 turns anarchy on the F1 big picture.
Catch riots in the bag

T1.
Move hardy clan towards the coastal plains

T4.
Reach the spot between the 2 ressources. I found there rather than 1 north because CA2 tells me the corruption difference is only 2%, from 51 to 53, and this way we are 100% sure it never will be in enemy hands without a full flip.
The baba near the core have been stalled but the archer will still be needed eventually.
CoL at 60% full for 12 turns.

T5.
Found stables, seeing as it won't have much for growth I start it on a worker, with sights on a harbor. Switching to either harbor or WH is still possible and very viable.

T7.
Kiev worker > worker, underway to road the BG.

T10.
Weaving is still a monopoly of ours but Bronze Working is now known to the Chinese as well as the Siamese. I don't see a need for spears at all, we need to REX a bit now that we can make settlers.

Speaking of which there is one timed for growth in Moscow. This too can be changed.

My attempt at dotmapping, which might be a bit tight and should be discussed, either way:

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/2237/sanadot1jq6.th.jpg (http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanadot1jq6.jpg)

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/7984/sanadot2rf8.th.jpg (http://img457.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanadot2rf8.jpg)

And the save, back to our friend the bunny.

In these pre-mining days, I am a big fan of founding on hills if we can. I can't remember if cotton/wool is a food bonus or just a lux/commerce bonus. I also can't remember what that icon actually is, it's been a while since I played RAR. If that is food west of moscow, I'd found on the hill 2W of moscow. I'd probably move the river city to the east 1NE to the hill as well. I'd still vote for expand east now, west later, as we have the west to ourselves. Do we want to try and pinch those elephants from the Siamese? Got to love military that lays its own road.

Got it, but I won't play until at least tomorrow, to try and get some input from everyone else.

cotton is just a commerce bonus, wool give 2 food and is invaluable on hills IIRC. cotton is the thing to our SW, wool has sheep for an icon and you can see it by the vikings' Birka.

cotton is just a commerce bonus, wool give 2 food and is invaluable on hills IIRC. cotton is the thing to our SW, wool has sheep for an icon and you can see it by the vikings' Birka.

Well, that's no fun. At least it's a lux. 1 down, 10 more to collect.

Preturn: All good, move 1 of moscow's MP to Pete's, as it will grow in 2 turns and be unhappy.

1475BC: Embassies all round. No spectacular AI stupidity to report, China is 4 turns from Hanging Gardens, Siam 17 turns, Vikings are building a galley. No wars going on, but there is a ruined city between siam and china that says they have been at war previously.

1450BC: Weaving + 10 gold to china to grab another worker
Weaving to Siam for 47 gold

1425: Moscow Pioneer-->Wiseman
Pete's Worker Housing-->Pioneer
Pioneer heads off to steal China's elephants, and grap the apple as well
1400: zzz

1375: Research code-->Philosophy
China complete HGardens, starts a new wonder.
Siam cascades to Stonehenge
Code of Laws to China for Bronze Working, 74 gold.
CoL to Siam for 110 gold
Bronze & Weaving to Vikings for 39 gold and a worker.
We're down Construction to Siam, China, up CoL on Vikings. China and Vikings are broke.

1350BC: City near Kiev built a worker somewhere around here, didn't write it down. Started another worker.

1325: Kiev worker-->wealth for 2 turns, followed by a chopped monument to grab the rice.

1300: zzz

1275: Moscow Wiseman-->Slave market
Smolensk founded, starts a monument to grap the elephants

1250BC: Pete's pioneer-->pioneer
Kiev Monument-->worker

I have given the latest pioneer an escort, and left Pete's empty. I would build a spear in moscow after the slave market to cover that, but if you're feeling nervous, the spear can go in first. Philosophy is due in 6 turns, we should be taking Democracy and revolting immediately. In order to minimise problems during the revolt, we can prevent Moscow from growing by working the gold mountain. That will also help get the spear/slave market out quicker (4 turns down to 2 for the spear if we change now. More I think about it, more I think it's a good idea). Up to the next player to decide on where the pioneer is going, my preference is to move east and found on the ruins, grabbing the 2 sheep hills. China will likely be our first war, but we have a lot of expansion to do, so we can put war off for a while. I'd prefer to grap the prime locations first, and then fill in the rest, which is why I'd like the sheep hills now.

Sorry about the lack of screenies, I forgot to save the one I took. I'll try and post one later.

The roster:

Sanabas -
Despair888 - up
Classical Hero - on deck
DocT -
Azzaman -
Beorn-el-Feared -

Oh yeah, the save: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads12/Sana_05_1250_BC.SAV

I got it. I redid my computer and will reinstall RaR here in just a bit.

Save will more than likely come tonight, latest being tommorow morning.

I got it. I redid my computer and will reinstall RaR here in just a bit.

Save will more than likely come tonight, latest being tommorow morning.

Despair, you alive?

Despair hasn't been online for 4 days, so I'll skip him for now.

The roster:

Sanabas -
Despair888 - skipped
Classical Hero - up
DocT - on deck
Azzaman -
Beorn-el-Feared -

Got it. Will play soon.

Sorry about the delay. I will later tonight.

Preturn. I change the slave market to a forge in Moscow. I hate the unhappiness they bring and thus I do not like them. I move to the Gold so that we can get fast forger and greater income

IBT. Some Siam unit is in our territory.

Turn 1. I trade 192 gold for contruction from China. We can now build mines. I check the Science and we are now behind Siam at least Aristocracracy and Civil Engineering.

IBT. Not much.

Turn 2. More moving towards the sheep spot.

IBT. Egpyt build the stonehenge, Persia has built the Great wall, Siam has built the MoM.

Turn 3. Not much.

IBT. Nothing of importance.

Turn 4. Not much.

IBT. Ditto.

Turn 5. We build a forge in Moscow and start a Germaniac Spearman since we need to have some more defence with the barbs around. Stables builds a worker.

IBT. Nothing.

Turn 6. We get Philosphy. We start Democracy, but we are not the first. :sad: I trade Philosophy and 18 gold for Civil Engineering and Maths to Siam. We trade Philo and 11 g for Aristocracy to the Chinese.

IBT. Not much happened.

Turn 7. Not much.

IBT. The Viking move some units into our territory and I am a bit affraid of them

Turn 8. Not much.

IBT. The Viking declare on us and take Kiev. We lose a Tribesman without them losing a unit. They should have lost an archer since it was red while ours was till full health then died. We killed an archer when it attacked our ranger.

Turn 9. I am starting to move some forces to the battle area, but they might be too late. As a result I start to build walls in Stables. I managed to build Odessa near the Wool.

IBT. I lose a Ranger.

Turn 10. Not much.

We need to take back Kiev and remove the Vikings from our area. I am mining the Gold near moscow and we can soon get more production out of Moscow and start on our war program. We need to get more luxs so we need to make the Cotton our next settling target. Once we get on the front foot on the war we can then try and sue fo peace, since both civs are far away from each other. We have two barbs that are causing problems for us. We need to try and remove them, but they will be stubborn to remove.

I see it, but it may take a few days, sorry.

Actually, without looking at the save - how are we supposed to counterattack? With Archers?

Futile, IMHO. And from what I read, at least the last two turnsets were a classic example of overxpanding in RaR...on DG/Deity, you prolly need a state-of-the-art defender plus a def bombard unit in every freakin' border town.

I'm moving thursday and will be on hiatus until the dsl guys come knocking at the new apt. You have time, Doc.

What is happening with this game?

What is happening with this game?

DocT has it, and hopefully plays in the next day or two. No huge rush, as Beorn appears to be still offline as well.

No rush here, though I am back now.

Yes, I have it, but I'll prolly need to find the time (and a working C3C installation). I'll keep you informed; should be Sunday at latest.


:blush: Sorry again...

Sorry folks, this game is a lost case IM(NS)HO.
The Viking forces will capture our Worker in the interturn, and then proceed and autoraze our city. With the 2 Barbs around our two remaining cities, we cannot even afford to send reinforcements down - not to mention to counterattack.
There have been several crucial mistakes in this game (and I'm not pleading to be innocent!):
Wrong city spots (Moscow and St. Pete are fine, ok) - hills are crucial, not only because of the spt, but for defence.
Overexpansion compared to our military strength.
Wrong Worker actions - roading would have been the prime choice, not mining (except the capital).

If someone feels like digging out of our hole - feel free to give it a try. Somehow I have completely lost the interest in that kind of games (maybe because I now have enough challenges in my job, while I didn't have any interesting occupation during my valiant C3C days...).
Sorry :blush:...but I chicken out here.

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For one, I believe you are very right that we over-expanded, RaR isn't so REX-friendly as C3C is. I must confess I was part of the fault, I remember, during my turns, having chosen a settler over a TG even with a barbie knocking at the door.
For two, if you fold Doc, I am no one to come and get it back straight.

Some SG's are fun, some are achievements, but this was a lesson ;) There needs be some if we want to improve.

Should we try for a replay?

I am not a big fan of digging in this game, after all, we played demigod because we wanted a warmup, not a challenge. I'll play a set just to see where we can get to easily, but I'm happy to restart, and we can make sure we place our cities properly. Everyone in?

Anybody keen to start a new game with the same settings?

I'll do it

I played 20 turns of this one, everything is random except the difficulty, which is DG. I haven't seeded it, but it looks like a pangea with roaming barbs.

We have contacts with Babylon and the Sioux. I forgot the Greeks were SEA, so I built a harbor first for the food kelp, which was a good misfortune. The bad misfortune is that I sent an european scout to explore rather than those huge ATAR curraghs. One is in the making, and we have a TA TG at home.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5482/sanabff8.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanabff8.jpg)

There was a hut on the settling spot so we started ahead pottery. Trades were good enough for us, we got a bab slave cheap and cultivation just int time so that we could start on Urbanism right after.

Roster
Sanabas - On Deck
Despair888 -
Classical Hero -
DocT
Beorn-el-Feared - conveniently swapped
Azzaman - UP

Anybody home? :bump:

I'm here :).
Looks fine, Greece is a nice random Civ as well. FWIW, I always get a Scout out ASAP, and the Curragh after that...with no military, you can pop huts (note the Curragh also doesn't count here), and in the very beginning, there aren't many Barbs running around.
Spot for city #2 seems obvious - 1N of the Barb.

Yeah, agree with that. Azzaman, you want to take it? Or do you want to jump in and grab a set now DocT? TheLoneMan, I'll add you to the roster, assuming that one of Despair, Azzaman or C_H don't check in soon.

Yup, the berry hill. It'd be yours next, sana, so I wouldn't feel bad hijacking the save from him in your shoes ;)

I am here. I don't think that azza will be able to take it since he is very busy with over 10 pbems to play.

If both Azza and Despair don't check in, I would be glad to play with you. DM is a level above my normal level, but I think there are many competent teachers here ;)