Well I sure didn't expect to win!

Members

croxis - foreign minister
Emp.Napoleon - Assistant and First Ambassador


Civs and contacts

BAT - Huyana Capac (Inca) - Contact! - dgciv4 AT civfr DOT com
EVG - Mansa Musa (Mali) - Elvis - No Contact
CBR - Montezuma (Aztec) - No Contact
GWT - Qin (China) - No Contact
COG - Frederick (Germany) - Contact!
GCA - Game Catchers Alliance - Yellow Destiny - Kublai Khan (Mongolia) - Contact! - GCteam <[@]> gamecatcher.net


Blah blah blah add stuff monday

Current Items of Discussion

Establishing relationship with BAT and COG


Foreign Policy: Friendly, hunting for the other two to bring to finals.

Intelligance

Batrachos (BAT (www.Civfr.com))
Leader - Huyana Capac (Inca) - (Aggressive and Financial)

Contact - dgciv4 AT civfr DOT com

Current Known Member List


Abukhir
AliEnAtOr
amiralpolo
Coeurgrenat
dézabillémoa
Fingolfin
fsirius
holocanthe
Jacktherabbit
lil
Loverboy
Luc201
NeEo
Penny
Phabuk
soviet
Tboh
Tirailleur
Tubis Etonip
vsl5



Previous Reputation
BAT is a French Civ site. In round one of the CivIII ISDG, they were chosen over GWT by the big dogs in the game to take to round two. GWT complained that BAT was a bad ally. If we meet them early on, an alliance seems possible.

Current Reputation
They are very willing to be cooperative at this point. Current plans are to exchange Alpha with IW with us working on the lower tech tree.

Additional Notes
Contacted!


Evolution Games (EVG (www.evo-games.net))
Leader - Mansa Musa (Mali) - (Spiritual and Financial)

Current Known Member List


emperor
Kingpin
Loregoreth
OmniMower
Micaelis Rex - He was my contact when I was ambassador in the MSDG.
Strider - Angers Easy
Louis XXIV
Herandar
DaveShack


Previous Reputation
EVG is the site where the UN is hosted at. They have a small team, including Strider, a common CFCer, and MRex who was our contact in the CivIII MSDG. I forgot the team, but we had a very successful alliance. I imagine them being completely honorable allies should we form an alliance with them. Strider also angers easy.

Current Reputation
In contact with COG


Civilization Brazil (CBR (www.civbrasil.com))
Leader - Montezuma (Aggressive and Spiritual)

Known Member List
None at this time

Previous Reputation
CBR is the treacherous Brazilian team. Guilty of having a president spy on CFC's team. Strong amount of caution is urged when interacting with them.

Current Reputation
Right now they are stand offish to COG.

Additional notes
Due to projected map locations it may be possible that they are in cahoots with GCA.


German Webring Team (GWT (www.civforum.de))
Leader - Qin (China) - (Industrious and Financial)

Known Member List


Poly-Akryll
Chris
lowcut
Nephisto
haupek
Essigeimer
waveland
Polly
Arne
bischop
Dudjän
Rhonabwy
mav_son
Flati
Barbarosso
Muschelsucher
Sarim
Waldläufer
Kassian
Teufel
Worf der Große
Rinozerus
Nosneb
Lemming
bigbean
Sipahi
sansi
Donnie Brasco
Frederick Steiner
StrahlenderHeld
Striker
Klar_Heiland
Sir Leif
Darekill
HUSch
Blaukrieger
Hawkeye
HomerSimpsonSir
Blubbb
Luked
Cayman
ThorMic
K1ckEM
Arn¤
Rommel
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Previous Reputation
Winners of the Multi-Site Demogame (MSDG - The PTW ISDG), and are quite excellent players, at least with Civ III. They also keep their word. Another excellent candidate for an ally.

Additional Notes
Anyone speak Greman better than I do?


Civilized Online Gaming Community (COG (www.civilized.invisionzone.com))
Leader
Frederick (Germany)

Current Member List


vonClausewitz
Zone
Bismarck2990
Immortal
rishubhav
Mr. G



Previous Reputation
New to ISDG - No Reputation

Current Reputation
Recent turn of events show they are willing to peruse alliance.

Additional Notes
I suggest investigating a "perminent" BAT-CFC-COG alliance after assessing how well they play. They are about ready to build their second city.

Gamecatcher Alliance (GCA (www.gamecatcher.net))
Yellow Destiny
Leader - Kublai Khan (Mongolia) - (Aggressive and Creative)

Current Member List
None at this time

Previous Repuation
Invade early in both CivIII MSDG and ISDG. They'd love to humiliate either ACS, CDZ, CFC, or CGN, and ACS, CDZ, and CGN aren't in their game. If we start near them, their aggressive, gambling nature guarantees an attack, which means we'll need a military.

Current Reputation
After inital contact there have been no further communication.

Additional Notes
I suggest preperation for defensive and offensive action with this team.


Summery
The last three teams move on to the finals, which means we need two good allies. At this time an alliance with BAT is most likley. COG can be another canidatebut we should keep our eyes on them. GCA is very worrysome at the moment. I would like intel on the location of their cities. Actually, I would like intel on the location of all their cities and possible offensive and defensive actions.


Relationship Chart
http://www.croxis.net/DYOS/relationship.jpg

My opinion:

FP: always make nice. IF we are under trooped atthe time..NO open borders till we can boost up our appearances.

communication...forum??? Everythig is there no misunderstandings

intel: Look for how the leaders play their own games through spoilers and game reports. Maybe have have one of us challenge them to a multiplayer game..:) OR maybe one of us is currently in a game with them.( Russians forum-BC and I are playing "akots" in a pitboss game)

ambassadors: I think ultimately its up to you how much you trust them.

What scene from B5..Inovana using unorthadox diplomatic negoations with the species that seals all deal with sex.

I was thinking of the scene where the narn and centauri were in negotiations, and both had to leave for some reason and each told their assistance ."don't give away the homeworld." Speaking of B5 check out the first news entery at firstones.com

So you saying we should use PM? PM is good for initiating contact but negotiations run much smoother in real time.

I agree with the play nice rule in general. intel is a good idea, however I am BAD at civ, so someone else will have to do it. remember they will be able ot gain the same intel form us with a game.

I think e-mail is the best thing, this is a team game and having chats mean that many people will not be able to be involved-time zones etc. Chat is ok for general chit chat about the game but important things should be done by e-mail.

ok I misunderstood...I was assuming within team..Email is the way to go out of team.

croix..as for the intel...something I left out...is when we meet someone ask to see if anyone here knows any of their team. That would be a good place to start.

/cool on the B5 news....I have been disappointed before so I will wait and not get to excited. Hope they bring back Galen.

Emp would you like to be deputy and/or first ambassador?


Yes I would, thank you.

Sorry i wasn't clear. Internal communications will be done in forum or chat room, where ever people show up. As far as external communication we can just use the gmail account to initiate contact, and then it will be up to the ambassadors how they wish to communicate with their contact, as long as they are able to log the conversation.

I will start formal intel gathering monday.

E-mail with other teams, with the occasional planned real-time chat to cut down the lag time of e-mail. Methinks that'll work.

Ok. Updated. There are a couple things I would like.

The full name of these sites as I don't know their acronyms.
The previous experiences from the past ISDG and MSDG.

GWT - German Webring Team (www.civforum.de)
COG - Civilized Online Gaming Community (www.civilized.invisionzone.com)
GCA - Gamecatcher Alliance (www.gamecatcher.net)
CBR - Civilization Brazil (www.civbrasil.com)
BAT - Batrachos (www.Civfr.com)
EVG - Evolution Games (www.evo-games.net)

And for some speculation of these teams, visit this (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=172106) thread. This is COG's first ISDG, as is EVG under that name (I believe they were CDG in the MSDG and [c3c] ISDG. Elucida ring a bell?). CBR and BAT were in the [c3c] ISDG. GCA and GWT have been in both the MSDG and [c3c] ISDG (GWT were determined the victors of the MSDG).

You might also add..their traits to help in trade decisions later on.

ex....we would rather trade a health to an expanive than happiness because their advantage is health so why help them balance with happiness. Also why help them combat war weariness. health make people eat less..happiness hurt hammers. I always trade health hardly ever happiness.

Also I have been looking at one of the sites..(edit: COG..thanks RM) I will look again and report back. I have been only in their normal forums so no worries. What I have seen so far is that they are a small group and frankly I am not impressed in reading their spoilers for their PBEMs. They play alot of earth maps and scenarios..ie known maps..expect them to suffer with exploration.

I dont want to be on your diplo team( I have enought to do) but I will look at their forums especailly after we meet them and give you my impressions.

I do have one legal question...every thing not in their private forum is fair to look at correct. I can look in their ISDG sign up thread if its in public and it doesnt say private only.

You can look at anything you want, every team's forum should be private.

I do have one legal question...every thing not in their private forum is fair to look at correct. I can look in their ISDG sign up thread if its in public and it doesnt say private only.
Correct. They'd be fools to simply post "private only" in a thread and not expect at least one bad egg to look at it.

Here is the leader listing:

CFC - Tokugawa (Aggressive and Organized)

BAT - Huyana Capac (Aggressive and Financial)
EVG - Mansa Musa (Spiritual and Financial)
CBR - Montezuma (Aggressive and Spiritual)
GWT - Qin (Industrious and Financial)
COG - Frederick (Creative and Philosophical)
GCA - Kublai Khan (Aggressive and Creative)

In total:
4 Aggressive
3 Financial
2 Creative
2 Spiritual
1 Industrious
1 Organized
1 Philosophical
0 Expansive

Ok, some more serious updates, I'm going to take a break from it for a while.

croxis..put the team members names in spoiler tags--easier reading

what, you can't handle that much information! wooose!

when you are as old and blind as me..( with a crappy moniter now-videocard melted sorta) making it easier to read is important.

I've taken four years of high school French, but foreign speakers know that English is the name of the game in foreign affairs. I wonder if BAT and GWT would speak to each other in English...

Civilization Brazil (CBR (www.civbrasil.com))

Previous Reputation
None at this time
:mischief:

Are you saying that GWT has nine more pages of members? :eek:

I know I know, I have a lot on my plate to sort through :) CBR will get their justice

And it looks like GWT does, they may not all be sign up posts (as there could also be a lot of "When will this start"), some members may be long inactive (where I stopped was around febuary), and I am sure I mistranslated some "i'm not signing up but good luck!"

I'm also in the chatroom for another hour if you want to pop in and explain some stuff to me :)

Guys...bury the old feelings..you are focusing on one team too much. When you start carrying over one game to another its going to affect your play. Watch them sure....but try to be open minded.

Redid to increase objectivity (I just did a cut and paste job from previous post)

Ok. AM I missing anything (sans the player lists for some of the teams as I can not find them)?

Whew, a lot of that text looks familiar! ;)

When teams change their name in game can you include that in the information?

Done.

Any of you have any experience playing with these people (before I start an exhastive hunt for play spoilers)

Done.

Any of you have any experience playing with these people (before I start an exhastive hunt for play spoilers)


Well experience with CDZ.....

Are we with the russian team?

Actually i think they are both in game 1

So long story short-no.

This thread (http://evo-games.net/Home/viewtopic.php?t=2833) at Evo Games has the team members for each team.

Well I speak French very well
I also understand German and I can speak it a bit.

At school a year ago I had 1 lesson german a week,
I had C- and lower on my tests most of the time,
but I had a C+ on my exams German simply by learning everything by heart.
But I still understand German very well because it looks a lot like Dutch,
so Dutchfire will understand some German too.
I study French at school since I was 10 years old,
I don't like french either but as long I just have to write it, no problem.

Yes, here in Flanders the politicians find we have to learn a lot of languages at school.:)

we've met someone so should start thinking about what to say to them immediatly.

its BAT

'Ahoy there BAT

We bring you greetings from the proud nation of Fanatica.... etc etc. need it soonish as well :)

Meh? Yea?
Bonjour BAT!

It appears one of our warriors has made contact with Cherudek. On behalf of Fanatica, let me be the first to say, "Howdy!" Through this wretched world, we'll need friends to keep each other safe, and I'm confident we've found another one. :)

If you'd like to contact us at anytime, you may use our gmail account (isdg.cfc@gmail.com) or my personal email ( ). Fanatica looks forward to an eternity of friendship with the glorious nation of BAT!

Sincerely,
croxis
Foreign Minister of Fanatica
Of course, croxis can write whatever he'd like.

BAT was my alternate ally for my dream trio (GWT and either EVG or BAT), so I'll advocate a peaceful relationship with them. But let's be aware; the Quecha isn't a peaceful UU!

nah but it aint an especially 'awesome' Uu either once you have BW-they know that so of course we'll have to be carefull but by the time they get any units down here we will have noticed-especially as there doesnt seem to be a way around our warrior just yet.

but i like it-we could also maybe put something else in french in (other than bonjour)-my french is very rusty so anyone got any ideas?

we need to decide this soon ive been sitting on the save for 7ish hours already (we could use this to our advantage-by taking awhile this time it may look like we met someone that time i couldnt get to the save)

I have had four years of high school French. Perhaps we could write a sentence or two in French?

i.e.
Bonjour BAT!

It appears one of our warriors has made contact with Cherudek. On behalf of Fanatica, let me be the first to say, "Howdy!" Dans ce monde, nous aurons besoin des amis pour s'aider, et je suis confiant que nous avons trouvé un autre ami. :)

If you'd like to contact us at anytime, you may use our gmail account (isdg.cfc@gmail.com) or my personal email ( ). Fanatica looks forward to an eternity of friendship with the glorious nation of BAT!

Sincerely,
croxis
Foreign Minister of Fanatica

BC want me to post the sent message to reinforce the issue like I did last time? Or Croxis could post it...

whaa, huh? Right now I'm going to use regiant man's suggestion, unless there are any objections?

Sent.

here is the message (sent from our team email)

Bonjour BAT!

It appears one of our warriors has made contact with Cherudek. On behalf of Fanatica, let me be the first to say, "Howdy!" Dans ce monde, nous aurons besoin des amis pour s'aider, et je suis confiant que nous avons trouvé un autre ami.

Our ambassador to you is Emp.Napoleon, but he is on vacation until the 19th of this month. If you'd like to contact us at anytime, you may use our gmail account (isdg.cfc@gmail.com) or my personal email (---). Fanatica looks forward to an eternity of friendship with the glorious nation of BAT!

Sincerely,
croxis
Foreign Minister of Fanatica

Your personal e-mail is --- ? :hmm:

I blocked it off in case any spam bots broke in

spam bots can only read forums that you would be able to read as a guest, so this forum shouldn't be read by spam bots

Shhh! I know that, don't tell them!

spam bots can only read forums that you would be able to read as a guest, so this forum shouldn't be read by spam bots


however if this forum does eventually get archived there is a chance of it being seen then if left visible to the public.

That works!

Ok, onto a more serious note. While it is difficult to prepare a policy until they respond, I want to get the discussion going. Right now I would like to go for a non aggression pact instead of an aliance until we get a better picture of our surroundings and locations of others.

As far as scouting I do not want to unveil the position of our capital but want to find the location of theirs. I suggest we propose establishing a no-cross border at the current boundary of our two units. If they accept we can assume their capital is relatively far, if they do not accept we can assume it is relatively close.

I dont like that idea- they will find out where our capital is sooner or later so we may as well let them through as a sign of good faith now.

We should establish peace first.

How about 'Peace for the next 50 turns' or something along them lines.

Let them wander..why seem secretive. We can alway restrict open borders if we dont want them to see something.

Just peace dont mention non-aggression or allaince. I like the x number of turn deal but set a year..easy to lose count otherwise.

its not hard to keep count with the turn tracker being there and everything...

I think a non aggression treaty is good. There is no point getting into any major treaties this early as we don't know where everyone is. Keep it simple and friendly.

toto azerty
<holocanthe@yahoo.fr> to me
More options 12:50 pm (7 minutes ago)
Dear Fanatics

We thank the god for this meeting, our Leader Capac has already ask for a big sacrifice to celebrate this day. We hope to have good relationship beetween our two great nation.

Cherudek, our braveous Quechua, are actually on the way to discover the world. They defeated monsters called lion, they passed through mountains and forests, and we want to assure you their peacefull intention. They justs want to continue their odyssey.

Cherudek is very proud to be the first step of our relationship.

Since your discover, the all people of BAT would like to know what is the CFC point of view about a collaboration between CFC and BAT empire ?
We are thinking that an early planification of our respective research, in order to proceed exchange as soon as possible, will be the best behaviour we will can follow.

Sincerely,

Holocanthe
President of BATracos

Quite handy i checked when i did really...

Its probably the language barrier but i find the last paragraph slightly confusing-anywhoo i think we should be making friends with these so any ideas how to proceed?

we could ask them how there team is set up, turn players/positions etc also active players (we can maybe start seeing how good they are from there).

Yeah its english as a second language. It's an interesting proposal, more then i would have expected this early in the game. They are asking to coordinate our research so we can trade early. To me that says we are there first contact. I would like more info on them before commiting to it as it would mean one of us does the top half to get alphabet and the other does the bottom half, which requires faith we wont get backstabbed when the time comes to swap. If we are going to agree to it, i would get them to head for alpha while we take the military techs at the bottom and most importantly we should insist that alphabet be traded to no one else. As far as their exploration i'm not fussed where they go but they must respect our borders in doing so.

The drawback to this is isnt it all against the rules???

i thought we agreed no tech discussion until we get alphabet.

The drawback to this is isnt it all against the rules???

i thought we agreed no tech discussion until we get alphabet.

I'm pretty sure we're allowed to plan a direction to research, but no specific tech talk. Correct me if im wrong.

We can check with the admins. I know we came to that agreement in the pitboss game, i didn't see it in the rules of this one.

Well me/croxis/RM could always just ask the admins as Robi said-should i send a quick e-mail now or wait until more discussion? (and someone else does it :))

Send it now, and get a clear ruling on what can and can't be done so we can make our plans on the situation

Hey

We in team cfc were wondering what could and could not be discussed relating to technology, is the ruling that we cant discuss specific technology's? or is it allowable that we discuss what line of the tech tree we would research-say the bottom half while another team researches the top half?

Regards
BCLG100-CFC President

that ok then?

That's fine except in the first sentence should read

We in team cfc were wondering what could and could not be discussed relating to technology prior to discovering alphabet

Otherwise good work:)

Thankfully we have a French speaking guy here. :woohoo:

That sounds great. IF its legal to chat about that sort of thing.

I agree send them to get alphabet and tell them we will get ironworking. Use some excuse like we arleady start on BW (or we have it) that way they feel like they have no choice but to go "educational techs". Since they have an early UU they are likely to agree to that. When do they lose the ability to make their UU with Swords or maces?

Remember we only need to kill a few civs not all of them. We get in a good allaince we could spin this into a second round birth.

well played a game as them before upto swords and you could still build quechas then.

Its a good deal then for us. They lose they UU when we get ours. :) They should want to do this. I cant see a negative as long as we watch them for odd troops movements.

well raises the next question-when we get to the end of the current 'walkway' should i just station the warrior there to keep a lookout or keep on scouting-im more for the scouting and see what we can find.

Disucssing what to research is no problem.

In-game you cannot see what techs the civs that you have met have. So
if you discuss techs (which is no problem) you just have to decide
whether they are honest or lying -=> You cannot be 100% sure in-game
until Alphabet.

Another aspect = NO MAP TRADING TILL PAPER !!

Another aspect = any "friendship" or "alliance" or whatever diplomatic
relation teams have is up to themselves. Breaking a treaty is not a
punishable act. If you make an alliance on turn 20 and it is broken on
turn 21 -> your problem, not mine.

Hope this is all clear.

Regards
Rik
Co-Admin

Well thats cool then we can talk about what to research.

so yep i think we should take the bottom half while they do the top.

Keep scouting...If we lose our scouting they could make alot more friends....then we cant suggest to someone else to go down the middle of the tree. Show that we trust them.

We then trade iron for alph and iron for horsey riding. BW for writing and BW for archery....you get the picture (these are examples not real suggestions)

Just letting you know my attendance this weekend will be spotty between volunterring, job interviews, being drunk, and significanting significant others. Shame emp isn't here, and I have to run. I'll work up some stuff in about 8 hours.

im sure the rest of us can cope for only a few days...

BAT would need to research fishing (59), pottery (119), writing (179), and alphabet (448). A total of 805 :science: .

We need to find out what they're currently researching. If it's bronze working, then we won't be able to include that in our trade. Down south, there's bronze working (179), iron working (299), and metal casting (672). Metal casting would take a long time, though. The other possibility would be them going after a religion; they start with mysticism. We could also include hunting (59) and archery (89). Perhaps even animal husbandry (149) and horseback riding (373). We'll have to pick a nice set to balance their alphabet research.

Right now we need to know what they're researching.

Well if we include AH and hunting in our side of the bargain (we'll need it for the pigs and the rest of the southern techs then that deal would work.

Iron working, hunting, archery, animal husbandry, and horseback riding yields 299 + 59 + 89 + 149 + 373 = 969 :science: . Without horseback riding and including bronze working, there's 775 :science: . If they're going after a religion, then the bronze working option would be pretty viable.

I dont know about you..but if we are in a research alliance...I dont think we should worry about equal value..about equal yes.

If they do alpahbet..they may take iron for it straight up. Think about it...they say NO to iron for alphabet...we can attack and kill them while they attempt to research a military tech. The beakers are not as important as getting the tech right away.

Its one thing that I learned in the pitboss game...having a small group of people researching differnt techs and then switching the techs will out being even in beakers can out tech even the highest gnp group that is "beaker trading". By them going the soft tech route without military..they are basically in our protection and to remove that they will gladly part with alpahbet for iron....I would and have ( pitboss...I bee-lined to alphabet without getting BW.....why because I had a 2 allies that promised military agaisnt a common foe..who we removed quickly..before he had iron hooked up. Robi..if you only knew why I jumped into your alliance so fast..the anti-matrix group)

I have to watch what I type since RM is a "bad guy" in our game and not allied with the forces of good.( Robi, BC, me who else thats here)

there is that way of looking at it rob which is why they may not want to go for alpha and let us go for iron...

Heh, I've never been in a game where both teams didn't quibble over beaker costs. But yes, if we're allies they shouldn't matter.

Me, bad guy? You guys are the ones raping and pillaging... ;)

well your the fella that built the big sacrificial alter to begin with....

yeah their will be some quibbling...BUT thats why I said we need to "adjust the truth" about our present research status. Say we have BW "next turn" and we will start on iron. It gives them no choice. They go religious then we can go IW then on to alphabet and they have to trade an awful lot to get even. Since we would control both of the big techs.( alpha and IW) We "beaker trade" with them since we control both.

/OT RM.. I keep offering you chances to join us. So far nothing and so much for providing info about Dave troops...like you said you would in exchange for your continued life.
BC..DaveMCW built the altar...RM is lying on it waiting for his "master " to cut his throat. Poor RM the puppet..err vassal.

Okay, so we need to put together a reply, stating that we would like to share research, with us finishing bronze and starting on iron working now/in a few turns (could they look at the scores and tell we're lying?). Then we propose the alphabet for iron trade. We've got to make sure to weasel in what they're going for now too.

/OT RM.. I keep offering you chances to join us. So far nothing and so much for providing info about Dave troops...like you said you would in exchange for your continued life.
BC..DaveMCW built the altar...RM is lying on it waiting for his "master " to cut his throat. Poor RM the puppet..err vassal.
If I recall, you only asked for them that one time. Plus, your final PM left you saying, "I'll be in touch." Still waiting for that message...

Start telling them we are very close to BW. What are you guys working on. After they reply....you then gvie them the idea of us getting iron.

If they have read Robi's article they could tell...but they may not follow that close.

/Only joking RM..

How do we want to start this one? Dear, hey, salut, etc.?

Just something to get our feet wet. Don't need to use this; feel free to modify.
Greetings BAT!

We too are interested in sharing and planning research paths. Right now we are wrapping up bronze working in a couple of turns. What technology are you currently researching? Perhaps we can arrange a future trade to swap our techs, and a plan to achieve this.

Cherudek is quite a hardy fellow who we'd love to see explore the world. After all, that's the goal of our lonely warrior too. May they band together, united against the lions and their brethren, and uncover every tile!

Sincerely/Your Friend/Ton Ami/???,
croxis/Fanatica
[Foreign Minister of Fanatica]

I know robboo. :)

sounds good greeting is fine.

Stroke their egos...mention that we dont speak French very well and we dont want to insult them with our bad accent.:)

That message has my stamp of approval. Volunterring done, now for job interview.

i would change 'couple of turns' to 'shortly' this allows us some leeway in when we'll actually have it.

quickly works too.

So that I am clear: we are going to allow open exploration outside of culture borders, say we will get bw shortly, and ask if they are willing to go for alphabet?

Getting drunk with friends done, now is being drunk!

No dont mention anythign about the direction they will take..feel them out for what they have.

Basically we want them to think they came up with the idea of going for alphabet. The next contact...we make the suggestion for them to go for alpahbet. Small steps dont play all your cards at once. Who knows they may tell us they are going for alphabet and we dont have to seem like we wanted them to. They get what tehy want we get what we want..:)

Is the first 3 that go through to the final?

Excellent work with the diplomacy, people :thumbsup:
I'd leave the "quickly, shortly, a few turns" off completely. "Wrapping up" gives the right idea, but is still vague enough incase they are watching the numbers closely. We don't want them thinking we are rorting them in some way on the first deal! If they want more info on timing, we can address that later.

Is the first 3 that go through to the final?
Yes it is. CFC and two other teams. :)

Taking off the "couple of turns" leaves us with "Right now we are wrapping up bronze working." which works quite well.

EDIT - Also remember, we've said we're glad to have found another friend in this world. What should we do if they ask who the other contact is? I was thinking of perhaps telling them both parties agreed not to tell anyone else. Lame, I know...

We could be vague and talk about a burly warrior in a bearskin calling himself "ugh" or something, from somewhere far to the south that we haven't seen. ;) Just let them prove us liars on that issue?!

Yes it is. CFC and two other teams. :)

Well then this could be a good deal. With 7 in the game by getting into a partnership it means we wont be the odd one out. Also with BAT being financial they can come in handy at some point. While i'm not suggesting we tell them everything we shouldn't try to play too tricky either, as this is just the qualifying round, we should try and save most of the hardball stuff for the final

Exactly. We need to find two good allies to take to the finals. BAT could be one.

Yes it is. CFC and two other teams. :)

Taking off the "couple of turns" leaves us with "Right now we are wrapping up bronze working." which works quite well.

EDIT - Also remember, we've said we're glad to have found another friend in this world. What should we do if they ask who the other contact is? I was thinking of perhaps telling them both parties agreed not to tell anyone else. Lame, I know...


i dont think we should begin lying to them.

Yes it is. CFC and two other teams. :)

Taking off the "couple of turns" leaves us with "Right now we are wrapping up bronze working." which works quite well.

EDIT - Also remember, we've said we're glad to have found another friend in this world. What should we do if they ask who the other contact is? I was thinking of perhaps telling them both parties agreed not to tell anyone else. Lame, I know...

The fact that you yourself admit its lame says it all. If BAT said that to us would you not think they were full of BS.

The simple thing to do in our response is to not go into whether or not they are our first contact. Also i suggest we don't go into many details about what we are researching, just say their proposal is of great interest and that we should get together to work out what research path would give both of us the maximum advantage. Since they suggested cooperating on research the onus is on them to show their cards first. We can work out the best way to respond to get them doing the top half then

However we do it we need to co-ordinate research A.S.A.P-the way these turns are moving along right now we'll have BW within a week.

i dont think we should begin lying to them.

Agree. When they learn that we lied they may hesitate on cooperating with us fully later. We definitely don't want that.

I'd suggest saying it in some way that doesn't imply anything about other teams.

Dear Fanatics

We thank the god for this meeting, our Leader Capac has already ask for a big sacrifice to celebrate this day. We hope to have good relationship beetween our two great nation.

Cherudek, our braveous Quechua, are actually on the way to discover the world. They defeated monsters called lion, they passed through mountains and forests, and we want to assure you their peacefull intention. They justs want to continue their odyssey.

Cherudek is very proud to be the first step of our relationship.

Since your discover, the all people of BAT would like to know what is the CFC point of view about a collaboration between CFC and BAT empire ?
We are thinking that an early planification of our respective research, in order to proceed exchange as soon as possible, will be the best behaviour we will can follow.

Sincerely,

Holocanthe
President of BATracos

Greetings BAT!

We too are interested in sharing and planning research paths. Right now we are wrapping up bronze working shortly. What technology are you currently researching? Perhaps we can arrange a future technology collaboration, and a plan to achieve this.

Cherudek is quite a hardy fellow who we'd love to see explore the world. After all, that's the goal of our lonely warrior too. May they band together, united against the lions and their brethren, and uncover every tile!

Sincerely
croxis
[Foreign Minister of Fanatica]


In all our excitment in deciding just what to research we havnt actually replied to BAT yet so if no objections ill send this mail along within the next couple of hours.

Sounds good, but could you take off the brackets at the end? I just put those there to remind us to include the title should the message be from croxis.

Also, I don't think we need the "shortly" at the end of the wrapping up line. It's redundant following "wrapping up." "Wrapping up" by itself gets the point across.

Sent with the edit.

Ok, I'm back with a nice shiny LCD screen :)

Thank you to all of you for taking care of things while I was gone.

After my first message, I received that :

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be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

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If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
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So, here BAT message :

Dear Fanatics,

The gods agreed to the sacrifices ! We welcome warmly your proposition of organisation for researches. Our shamans are on the way to discover every gods around earth (they call it “polytheism”). But they also read in stomach of lions that we have to dig in the mountains to find “bronze”, it will allow us to cut trees where lions are hidden and make great weapons to kill this beasts.

Each civilization have to find the Best solutions to use fields and forests, it would be difficult to wait until we find a solution to give knowledge to another nation. So, do not hesitate to inform us of your needs, we’ll also inform you of our priorities.

So, this cooperation could begin with the research in one side of a solution to keep knowledge. A strange man, Fingolfin, BAT member, that speaks a lot in our village, already have an idee, he said it should be call “Writing” and “Alphabet” would be the name of the sign that would be used...
While the first team search this Alphabet, the other team would try to find another metal and maybe also a way to use it to have a better production in our towns, the art of Metal Casting would be a good name.

This proposition isn’t the only way, in order to find the Best solution, we should organize a meeting of our leaders and ambassadors. NeEo, a BAT ambassador has an idee : We should use fire messages between the two towns. This system would be called Message by Sign of NeEo (MSN). If you agree to this idee, we just have to find a date for this discussion.

Cordialy

Holocanthe

BAT president

I think a real time chat would be most useful, however we need to make sure that we all have msn and that our clients can function in chatroom environments, otherwise i suggest we just host in on the civfanatics chat server, the java client is available to anyone who has java (which should be everyone in this day and age).

As far as the deal (the language barrier and roal playing is making things fuzzy for me, then again my brain is fried from sitting here at work bored out of my mind...) it seems what we were going for -- although they do have bronze working already which puts us at a disadvanatge in terms of negotiations, however if we can convince them to get alphabet and writing then perhaps we can still go to iron working as well as something else to sweeten to pot.

I think what they have suggested is one team go for writting and alpha...the other get metal casting and iron working. They didnt say who should do what..

I think they are being smart..bronze working is a must have adn tehy probably went for it first. NOW the question is...are we comfortable going for the top techs if we see copper close by. I am comfortable if we get the second city on copper then we can go for writing and alphabet.

Also...just keep it on MSN, thats how they requested it. Keep it simple for first contact.

yah but my msn client is very finicky and isn't a fan of chatrooms =Þ

my msn client works just jovially so i can do it, depends on the placement of metals really but otherwise im fine going the writing/alpha route as it would put us in a very strong trading position with other teams.

I like MSN. When will we all be available for a chat? I have all the free time in the world up to the 24th.

post you avalability (and timezone) in the communication thread and I'll arange a time

Pacific Daylight Time (GMT -7) (GMT -8 PST), same as you croxis. I'd prefer between 10:00am and 12:00am.

And we need to make sure that we trust them enough if we go the alphabet route. After all, they'll control whether or not we get our samurai.

my free time is vary varied and small in the upcoming week or so so once you figure on a time then i'll see if i can make it.

Saturday at 20:00 GMT sound good to you all?

I might be able to make it. I have plans at 23:00 GMT that might occupy me, but I'll try to be there.

Saturday at 20:00 GMT sound good to you all?

I won't be able to make it.

doubtful for me...but I will try.

so long as we get one person there then thats all the matters.

i will maybe be able to attend the beginning of the chat.

so long as we get one person there then thats all the matters.

I would suggest we have at least the officers there (especially the president and foreign minister).

*hits head on desk*

How about 20:00 GMT sunday? I am unable to attend any sooner on saturday as I am graduating from college.

Sunday would work better for me.

i will be unable to attend on Sunday or monday as i am going to a funeral.

i will be unable to attend on Sunday or monday as i am going to a funeral.

My respects to the family.

I might be able to make it then. Doubt it, but will try.

I am out of town..I am not needed really I am just a lowly domestic minister. I trust you guys.."just dont give away the home world". I honestly feel we are in a win-win situation do matter what we research with these guys. Remember everyone is going to want to get a buddy and get to the next game...no need to back stab. Diplo gets sticky next game.

/tip of the hat to you Croxis for reminding me of that scene and quote.

hehe I am going to have to watch it when I get home :)

next step is to get msn worked out

That's 4 AM here, so I will not be able to attend at that sort of time. :gripe: Can it be later , but on a saturday instead?

CH. move. :)

If its later it will be in the middle of the night for the french. You do live on the other sid eof the world of them ;)

Like I said CH...MOVE. Its really your only choice. :)

Well I sent 20:00 GMT sunday to them, have not got a resonce in my ersonal mail as of yet. I have to go and walk a stage so just keep an eye in the gmail account :)

nothing when i checked.

Hi

Sorry, we can't, i'm alone, the others are in holidays or week-end.

And my english is too bad :-/

For an another date, what is your preferred schedule ??

Holo

well i guess that means no chat tonight unless we have any fluent french speakers availiable?

Not fluent, but I can understand the basics and put sentences together.

well, if there are some things that need to translated I can do it now or in an hour.
Because I got a day off from my flight-vacation with the belgian air cadets,
so I don't know the whole situation yet,
I saw that we have made contact with the french but nothing more actually.

No i'd rather have more of both teams present.

We have members in all parts of the globe, so scheduling is hard. Let us know when your people can come and we will try and work with that.

we've met GCA now as well or rather they met us-im curious as to why ive had no contact yet but we should definatly send them a message before i send the save on.

I want to know where emp is for bat...

We just had to start with these two!

Alright if I just send a vanilla message saying howdy or should I probe for interest in an agreement? Their past history shows constant early attack so I'm going to suggest a switch to military production. It will behove us to be good allies with bat.


Who wants to be amb for GCA?

Well, I took a look at the save and we can't see any of GCA's unit. That means they have a two :move: unit running around. Do the Mongols start with a scout? Either that, or a Woodsman II/Guerilla II warrior.

I echo caution with this site. Not even sending a "Hello!" message is a bad omen. A vanilla "Hey!" is okay with me.

a couple of things

different game different ethos maybe

also we are more powerfull than them they start with a scout.

also take a look in the prez thread where they turned up, chances are they could be reasonably far away from us.

i wont be ambassador but could do with someone writing a message just saying hello :)

Well, I took a look at the save and we can't see any of GCA's unit. That means they have a two :move: unit running around. Do the Aztecs start with a scout? Either that, or a Woodsman II/Guerilla II warrior.

I echo caution with this site. Not even sending a "Hello!" message is a bad omen. A vanilla "Hey!" is okay with me.


yer we did you just didnt look hard enough :D

Oops. At least there's water between us.

How is this?

Hello there!

Our scout with Very Big Glasses spotted your great explorer on the other side of the pond! We look forward to further communications with you. You can contact us at isdg.cfc@gmail.com

croxis - Fanatica Foreign Advisor

The "is" is confusing, but other than that, I like it. Simple, friendly, and puts the ball in their court.

typo, sorry, I'll wait about 30 more min for more suggestions before i send

Oh problem, Evo forums re down so I can't find the contact info. That may be why GCA hasn't contacted us either. Can we contact them and send a message in game?

we have there e-mail in our gmail

just use that...

sent via gmail, cut out the last bit as its sorta obvious :)

-seems we sent it at the same time, sorry croxis but i just wanted to make sure they had it before they got the save

Sent

Wait and see time.

if nothing else they'll be pleased by the 2 messages :D

From BAT:

We propose 2 days :
The first, surely too early, but No one never knows Wednesday 23 at 19h or 20h GMT.
The second, Friday 25 at 19h or 20h GMT.


Holocanthe

Wednesday I can't attend as I have a job interview and doc appointment.
Friday is dooable.

neither for me :)

Sorry for being inactive for a while, i've been on the east coast (and I still am.) I cannot do MSN untill about monday, but I would like to e mail these french. Croxis, could you tell me their e mail adress?


If I get ahold of MSN though I will tell you it will have to be after 8:00 Pm EST

Friday works for me, though I'd mainly just sit and "listen".

The contact and team email is listed in the gmail account.

Friday is a no go for me too (Damn volunterring...)

I'm moving to college Thursday, so I have no idea what I'll be doing Friday.

Wednesday I could do. By myself, anyone? ;)

I can make Wednesday/Thursday morning, if i get up early enough.

Friday/Saturday might work well. I must get to bed early if I want any part of this, because I am going to a wedding on Saturday.

Greetings,

we have received your shouts across the ocean and are looking forward to prosperous diplomatic relations. We will soon appoint an ambassador to your nation, through whom the majority of the communication should be made. Nonetheless, the email address you used (GCteam@gamecatcher.net) is always checked regularly and should always be included as CC in any message.
Regards

Lucky

Gamecatcher Alliance

As for the chat -- you guys are impossible to deal with ;)

As for the chat -- you guys are impossible to deal with ;)

:lol: How true! :crazyeye:

Edit: Who is are ambassador to them?

I can be if no one else volunteers, although my access for the next couple of days will be questionable (as in timing).

What is the job of the ambassador?

He's pretty much the main contact with the other team. He talks with them via e-mail or in chat. The foreign advisor might appoint some to help him with diplomacy.

It's a good stepping stone and learning experience in regards to ISDG (or even MTDG) diplomacy.

methos, you interested in taking on GCA?

We are going with friday chat. Sending message.

Friday at 20:00 GMT will work for us. I will be unable to attend but other representatives from CFC will. We should exchange MSN screen names, I will collect a list and send ours to you.

-croxis-
Foreign Advisor

I very much suggest that there only be one or two official speakers, but other members are free to observe. Another chat room can be made so our team can discuss in private.

Those wishing to attend please post or pm me your msn screen names.

TitanicWhiz18@comcast.net is my MSN address. Let's see, Friday 20:00 GMT is... 13:00 --> 1:00pm for me. I don't think I'll be able to make it. :undecide:

Change of plans for me, I will be able to make it.

Just to recap: We want to negotiate that one team will go to alphabet, and another to IW. We would prefer going to IW but it isn't that major concern. No mention at all about GCA, and we should lie if asked (looking at the map it may be possible they have contacted them). If they announce they are in contact with GCA we probably should as well.

Sound good?

Sounds good.

mine is classical_hero7@hotmail.com

WAKE UP....

We have another visitor. They came from the south---- COG. I will be updating the president thread in a bit. I am holding the save for a few hours to give you guys time to contact them.

Prepping.

Ok So I need 3 ambassesators!

Hey! We see you! On behalf of Fanatica we welcome you. We hope your journey has been kind and look forward to a relationship that will lead us a prosperous future for our people.

croxis
Fanatica Foreign Minister

Considering their current lead I suggest we target them as our main ally. Also, unlike the other two we are in contact with, they don't have a tarnished reputation (yet). I suspect that they do not have contat with BAT or GCA, but probably with others. It seems that the map is arranged so no matter which way one goes they will run into someone.

@croxis: Have you already sent the greeting? I assume so. If not let me know and I'll write something up. We should consider setting up a chat with them, since we'd like to make them a strong ally. Edit: Just checked the GMail account, and noticed you have sent the message.

Since it hasn't been stated, I've taken on the position of Ambassador to COG.

Sweet. Appointed you are!

Unless anyone is adverse to the idea, I'll write up a request for a chat meeting with COG. Anything specific we wish to say?

One nice thing is that our cultural borders stop COG from being able to meet BAT and the other team (forget their name).

One nice thing is that our cultural borders stop COG from being able to meet BAT and the other team (forget their name).
Unless there's a "B" route...

Which I assume there is due to the map style

Perhaps we are in the middle and as such we can manipulate trade on our continent for awhile. :evil:

Perhaps we are in the middle and as such we can manipulate trade on our continent for awhile. :evil:

Which could perhaps mean we are the only team in a spider web area of the map?

I've written up a chat request to COG, but will wait until we get a reply from our initial message. I'll fill it in more (or adjust it) depending on what their initial reply is. So far they haven't answered croxis's welcoming email.

Here's what I've got so far...

Greetings and salutations! Let me introduce myself, I am Methos, Ambassador of Fanatica to your great nation. Let us hope that we can walk in peace with each other in the course of our journeys.

In respect to our meeting, we the people of Fanatica would like to discuss with you our future relationship and how we could best work together. We propose a ‘chat’ between our two great nations.

Methos

Does anyone know how well their English is? I'm wondering if I need to keep it simple.

It looks like they are an English speaking site so they will understand us well. The only teams we will have some trouble with are CBR and BAT, since they are non English speaking teams. Thankfully we have a French speaker here on our team, but do we have a Portuguese speaker here?

We have received a reply from COG, as stated in the COG Embassy thread in post #3 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=4458070&postcount=3).

I would like to send a reply sometime today. Does anyone have anything further to add to what I have already stated?

Edit: I marked that email as unread.

GWT is also a non-English site; they're German.

Methos, your response looks fine by me.

Message to COG has been sent. BTW, who is this Nick guy that is both receiving and sending the emails?

Edit: I added my personal email and asked that they send any emails to both the team email and mine.

We've received a reply on our chat proposal with COG. You can read their response and the discussion here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=4459777#post4459777).

Don't forget we need to send a messsage to CGA.

Don't forget we need to send a messsage to CGA.

I don't believe anyone has yet volunteered as an ambassador to CGA.

Ok So I need 3 ambassesators!

I thought Emp Nap was the ambassador to BAT?

I coul put my hand up to be the ambassador to GCA, not CGA as I previously said. Whoops :blush:

classic you are appointed!

EMMMP!!!!! WHHERE ARE YOUUUUUU?

I coul put my hand up to be the ambassador to GCA, not CGA as I previously said. Whoops :blush:
Good thing you didn't send a message with that. ;)

I sent an e mail about me and how I am Bat's ambassador jsut now, sorry I was out of a comp for a while

M'kay, we have to set up how we want each team to research. They can't both give us alphabet, so we must either research it ourselves, or have BAT research it, and play it off to COG that we're researching it.

Best thing to do now, in my opinion, is to have us research alphabet, BAT the middle, and COG the bottom.

Best thing to do now, in my opinion, is to have us research alphabet, BAT the middle, and COG the bottom.

We've already discussed with BAT that they are researching Alpha and we are going to research IW. I'd rather not go back and change it on them. Let BAT do it.

Then what do we do with COG? Have them research the middle? To be honest with you I think it'll be tough getting them to research anything for us. They seem to prefer going their own way.

Let them go their own way...Their techs will soon be ours anyway :mischief:

We stay with BAT..remember we want to bring a weak team not the great ones along for the ride. And if we are teh weak team..we also want to get brought along. :)

Stick with us getting iron..and then trading with BAT We can then turn around and trade which ever COG doesnt have to them since they cant get both alpha and IW before we get both by trade.

Right, at that point is our avalable techs suddenly double (assuming they have alpha) then they will prolly figure we are trading with someone.

We should have BAT in top priority as they have been the most willing to engage in talks. COG I would like along but hey their loss. GCA we have had no real contact which has me worried.

Just keep going towards the metals and contact would be at the end of a sharp object if they try anything.

If we are going to go with BAT as a long term partner then we do have to work with them on a desicion on a 3rd team. Also Alpha doesn't get traded to anyone outside the partnership(s). Let the rest do it themselves.

If we are going to go with BAT as a long term partner then we do have to work with them on a desicion on a 3rd team.
I'd say EVG. GWT would be an excellent ally, but they're also excellent players. Let's hope one of us meets EVG soon.

Did we tell BAT we'd tell them if we met another team? Have we told them about GCA or COG?

Have we told them about GCA or COG?

No. As I recall we didn't even discuss whether we'd met anyone at that time, but we did discuss talking about others we meet.

Well, then I suggest the ambassador write-up a lovely "update" e-mail to BAT, discussing:
We've met GCA
We've met COG
We discovered bronze working
BCLG's idea of letting them know of a nice city spot up north

Well, then I suggest the ambassador write-up a lovely "update" e-mail to BAT, discussing:
We've met GCA
We've met COG
We discovered bronze working
BCLG's idea of letting them know of a nice city spot up north



we can use the last bullet point to find out the location of their capital.

yeah tell tehm that if tehy tell us where their capital is we from some landmark we will tell tehm where we see copper.

We know where their capital is.

where?



.

abukhir says:
where are you on the map ?
abukhir says:
we are on the left of the point where we meet
David says:
hmm, I am not sure if we can talk about this until we have map making, or is that just screenshots?
abukhir says:
there is a land mass at the north west of this point, our town is on the landmass at the south west of this landmass

Also, I am leaving from the 7th to 18th, who wants to manage in the interm?

ah right i meant more specifically e.g.'we are 12 tiles west, 3 tiles north' etc...

ahh right,

Where is emp? EMP!

Some questions:

1.) Have we sent anything to GCA yet? I recall someone stating they would do it, but don't recall ever seeing it done.

Edit: Removed several questions and sent them as PM's instead.

I know I had more questions, but can't remember them right now.

we have sent something to GCA and got this automated response type thing.

the rest i cant help you with.

GCA has don't nothing to continue communication. At the end of this term I would like to send out one more message inviting contact, if they do not respond consider them hostile.

Methos will be covering me when I am gone. Currently BAT is best candidate for the 3 allys, and COG should be treated and friendly but nutral. Keep a close eye on BAT's scores, if they start falling too far behind I suggest that a better alliance would take presidence.

Right now I think we should tell BAT of both GCA and and COG, especally about GCA (and even especally if BAT-GCA relationships have been hostle in past games - we can use GCA to scare BAT into doing our bidding)

GCA has don't nothing to continue communication. At the end of this term I would like to send out one more message inviting contact, if they do not respond consider them hostile.

Just checked our GMail account and this is what has been sent/received from GCA.

Hello there!

Our scout with Very Big Glasses spotted your great explorer on the other side of the pond! We look forward to further communications with you. You can contact us at isdg.cfc@gmail.com

Greetings,

we have received your shouts across the ocean and are looking forward to prosperous diplomatic relations. We will soon appoint an ambassador to your nation, through whom the majority of the communication should be made. Nonetheless, the email address you used (GCteam@gamecatcher.net) is always checked regularly and should always be included as CC in any message.
Regards

Lucky

Gamecatcher Alliance

Looks like IMO neither of us continued talks. We may wish to send something stating who are ambassador is to them, see if that helps push things a long.

Lol I was looking for the same email, except I was just checking my account before DCI came on. classic hero is their amb if I remember right.

Right now I think we should tell BAT of both GCA and and COG, especally about GCA (and even especally if BAT-GCA relationships have been hostle in past games - we can use GCA to scare BAT into doing our bidding)
This is BAT's and GCA's first game together. :sad:

Someone get that message written! Sigh... I might do it later tonight. We shall see if I can finish up my homework.

I must get on with that thread.

Okay, maybe homework took a little longer than I thought. But here's something I typed up. Feel free to improve, switch around, butcher, etc.
Salut BAT!

We're sorry for taking this long to get in touch with you. Our pigeon messengers aren't the best flyers. :(

Quite an update for you! We've finished bronze working and do have copper outside out capital. C’est très superbe! We are researching sailing next, hopefully connecting us to your trade network, then will go for iron working. We will gift both to you once you finish alphabet. How are you on technology research?

We have met two other sites: GCA and COG. GCA didn't send us a "Hello!" message, and they haven't really been too friendly thus far. I/We think they're harboring a grudge against us, as we weren't the best of friends in a previous ISDG. ;) COG has chatted with us, but they appear to be a cautious team. I/We can't see them being open allies, but only time will tell. Has BAT met any teams since we last chatted?

Hopefully it won't be this long before we speak again. Notre rapport est très important pour CFC. Au revoir, mes amis !

Sincerely...

Seems good :)

Get rid of the I/We stuff..dont confuse them. Stick with "We".

I know. I just kept that in there to remind us to choose if a specific person's signing, or the team is signing.

OK I was just concerned you were having multiple personalities again. :p

sounds ducky, off to the rat farm!

OK I was just concerned you were having multiple personalities again. :p
Well, he still has that problem, but you know. ;) :mischief:

Okay, right now this is who I believe are the ambassadors for the stated team.
BAT- Emp Napoleon
COG- Methos
GCA- Classical Hero

I hate to do this, especially since I’m only stepping in while croxis is away, but Emp Napoleon hasn’t been online since the 3rd of this month. Is there someone else who wishes to be either BAT’s ambassador or backup ambassador?

Currently the only trade deal I know of is with BAT. We’ve promised to trade Iron Working for their Alphabet, and possibly something else to equal the deal out.

Last contacts are…
BAT: I believe RegentMan has sent an email within the past couple of days.
COG: I chatted with Rishubhav earlier today.
GCA: Classical Hero sent an email on the 7th. I don't believe they've replied yet.

If need be, I could be the back up diplomat.

Sent to BAT, without multiple personalities... :p

Salut BAT!

We're sorry for taking this long to get in touch with you. Our pigeon messengers aren't the best flyers. :(

Quite an update for you! We've finished bronze working and do have copper outside out capital. C’est très superbe! We are researching sailing next, hopefully connecting us to your trade network, then will go for iron working. We will gift both to you once you finish alphabet. How are you on technology research?

We have met two other sites: GCA and COG. GCA didn't send us a "Hello!" message, and they haven't really been too friendly thus far. We think they're harboring a grudge against us, as we weren't the best of friends in a previous ISDG. ;) COG has chatted with us, but they appear to be a cautious team. We can't see them being open allies, but only time will tell. Has BAT met any teams since we last chatted?

Hopefully it won't be this long before we speak again. Notre rapport est très important pour CFC. Au revoir, mes amis !

Sincerely,
Team CFC

If need be, I could be the back up diplomat.

Thanks, but RM has already stated he'd do it. Thanks for the help though. I guess I should have stated so as soon as he told me. My mistake.

hmmmmm.......

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am gonna resend it.

It bounced back too. I'll try PMing it to their turn player.

Figured it might help if we have a visual of where we believe everyone is...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/54475/ISDG_Team_Locations.JPG

Hello CFC

Really glad to have good news (copper) about you.

As you already know we have discovered Polytheism and we are currently
researching bronze working. Then we research the tech needed to find
alphabet, in view to discover alphabet as soon as possible.

Our explorers are not efficient and we haven't met any other
civilization :-(. Obviously we are very nice to have met you and to be
able to plan research exchange and more. Having friends in such a world
is capital to survive. So we thinks that it could be a good idea to
accept a new allie as soon as an acceptable team from our common opinion
is met. What is your feeling about such an idea ?

Be sure as soon we have news, you will be informed. Bat commercial
Minister is glad to announce to you that the shell exchange could be
possible as soon as the trade is authorized.

Sincerely,

Team Bat

Whew that last paragraph was funky! :crazyeye:

me and methos said the same thing via IM

Welcome back, croxis! I hope you enjoyed Disneyland!

Not a whole lot has happened, and in truth the whole ISDG has been rather quiet lately.

So I see. I have over half a gig of pictures and video if anyone is interested in viewing :)

Excellent job Methos, I'm glad you will be my sucessor (doing better than I've done this term thats for sure! But I am the kind of person who enjoys setting things up and then let other people run the show).

Anyways we can just send a bit of a hello, how you doing message to BAT? just to keep conversation channels flowing and everything.

Oooh, pictures! :)

Do we have anything new to report to BAT since the last letter?

Just that we'll have sailing shortly and be starting on IW.

Hello to our wonderful friends!
We would like to present a small update on our going ons. We will be starting a new term soon and we hope there will be a smooth transition in our Diplomatic department. Also we will discover the art of sailing shortly. Those who tried to walk on water ended up very wet. After that we will study the new hard rocks known as iron. Hope things are well for you!

croxis
Fanatica Foreign Minister

This work for peeps?

Maybe say that it will be croxis replacing you :)

Maybe say that it will be croxis replacing you :)

Croxis replacing himself! That would sound interesting :D . The note sounds good to me.

Looks nice.

When you get a chance can you ask how long before they expect to have alphabet? Just for planning purposes.

Good, someone else send it =P

But it's still your job... :sad:

Hello to our wonderful friends!
We would like to present a small update on our going ons. We will be starting a new term soon and we hope there will be a smooth transition in our Diplomatic department with methos permantly taking over as permanent foreign minister. Also we will discover the art of sailing shortly. Those who tried to walk on water ended up very wet. Do you know how far you are from Alphabet? Hope things are well for you!

croxis
Fanatica Foreign Minister

*sigh* i sent it with a few adjustments, wanted peoples view on my tech diilema in the prez thread before saying we will do something. added bit about methos also.

"...methos permantly taking over as permanent foreign minister."

Argh! Don't use the same word so close to each other! And incorrect spelling, no less! :gripe:

;)

It's been an extremely busy week, so I am just now being able to take care of some of this. Here's a message I am going to send to Rishubhav (COG Ambassador). How does it look?

Greetings Rishubhav, I hope things are well. We have completed Bronze Working and are almost finished with Sailing. Hopefully soon we can connect our two great empires!

How are things with COG? Have you completed your settler and established your second city yet? Last I heard you were just starting on Bronze Working, how is that going?

My apologies for going silent for a while, but my RL has been extremely hectic this past week. Please note that though I will continue with my duties as your ambassador, I have also taken up the responsibility of our Minister of Foreign Affairs. The incumbent croxis has decided to step down after presiding over an outstanding term. I plan to follow in his example.


I'm working on a message to all of our contacts, but figured I'd get everyone's opinion on what little I have so far.

Greetings _______, I hope everything is well! Our first term of office is coming to a close and the incumbent Croxis has chosen to step down. I, Methos, will be taking his place.

I don't like this one at all, but it's all I've come up with so far. :lol: Any suggestions?

Well the last one is only going to GCA and it seems we dont like them so it doesnt matter so much :)

@RM :p

Also we need to find out how the tech trade will go, if it will be a total swap or beaker to beaker.

Greetings Rishubhav, I hope things are well. We have completed Bronze Working and are almost finished with Sailing. Hopefully soon we can connect our two great empires!

How are things with COG? Have you completed your settler and established your second city yet? Last I heard you were just starting on Bronze Working, how is that going? Also, with our planned technology trade coming up soon we would like to know how you wish to negotiate the deal. We are interested in working to match beaker to beaker.

My apologies for going silent for a while, but my RL has been extremely hectic this past week. Please note that though I will continue with my duties as your ambassador, I have also taken up the responsibility of our Minister of Foreign Affairs. The stinky croxis has decided to step down after presiding over an outstanding term. I plan to follow in his example.

I also should caution that BAT may be less inclined to trade alphabet knowing that we are in contact with two other teams while, at last contact, have not yet met anyone.

Also, due to our central location we are at risk for being the battleground for conflicts.

Wow, that was close. I copied/pasted croxis's version of my email to COG's ambassador and luckily noted the stinky just as I was getting ready to hit send. That would have royally sucked!!! :eek:

And I quote:
The stinky croxis has decided to step down

BTW croxis, that email you quoted was for COG, not BAT. I need to double check, but I do not believe we made any particular deal with COG. Just discussed the possibility of a deal.

Oh! Oh you are right, I should pay better attention.

Yes the deal is with BAT, not COG

Draft for BAT
Hello yet again! We would like to inform you that we are entering negotiations with the Civilized Online Gaming Community and may be entering an alliance with them.

We would be delighted to arrange another meeting of our peoples to discuss the finer details of the upcoming technology trade. We are best available at <time> GMT on <these days>. Let us know!

croxis
Foreign Minister

I updated the draft a little and the first 2 posts

I don't like the part about "entering negotiations with COG and might be making an alliance with them." It will make BAT feel very nervous, like we're abandoning them. We really aren't that close with COG.

'we were considering entering into an alliance with them but waiting for your opinion on the matter'

'we were considering entering into an alliance with them but waiting for your opinion on the matter'
were or are ?

Hello yet again! We would like to inform you that we are entering negotiations with the Civilized Online Gaming Community. We are considering entertaining an alliance with them, but are waiting for your opinion on the matter.

We would be delighted to arrange another meeting of our peoples to discuss the finer details of the upcoming technology trade. We are best available at <time> GMT on <these days>. Let us know!

croxis
Foreign Minister

Hello yet again! We would like to inform you that we are entering negotiations with the Civilized Online Gaming Community. We are considering entertaining an alliance with them, but are waiting for your opinion on the matter.

I like that, as we are agreeing to discuss it as allies rather than state what they will be doing.

Yes. I like the second draft much better. :)

I'll let them set the time this time and we can see who is around to talk about things.

We need t think how we want to do the trade, shoudl we work it out to have even beakers?

I don't think we need to worry about beakers. We can alternate researching expensive techs. As long as we/they get each others technologies, we're stronger than a team by itself.

We sure do need to think about beakers, i dont want to be on the short end of any deal-whether they are our strongest allies or not.

We are considering entertaining an alliance with them, but are waiting for your opinion on the matter.

croxis
Foreign Minister

considering entertaining is a bit of a tautology, but I suppose thats nit-picking. I have the feeling that using the word "alliance" about COG is a bit strong at this stage, and maybe we should be more ambiguous until we can guage BATs reaction in the chat.. something like:

We are entering into friendly negotiation with (COG), but would like to discuss the ramifications of this relationship with you first.

Maybe ramifications is too strong also, but letting BAT know they are more important is the key.

Consequences?

We are entering into friendly negotiations with COG, but we would like to discuss the consequences of this relationship with you first.

Remember, English isn't their first language, so we need to be as gentle as possible.

'bad stuff' then ;)

edit-not that it matters as the message was sent 20 hours ago :D