new and non transferred, it's a custom made scenario for warlords, while yes it is my first mod, please do not dismiss it solely on that fact give it a shot and let me know what you think, it is a first release though, so things will change. *ahem* on with the shameless advertisement!

Earth Fifteenth century:
Challenge the world as one of fifteen playable civilizations at the turn of the century, or grab your friends and dare to surpass history's best.
Spain: Recently finished with a brutal reconquista, Spain has done it's best to purge non-christians from its lands, mass conversions have occurred, and the dreaded inquisition has begun. While the world enters a new age of thought, Spain still seeks to preserve it's visigothic heritage. Isabella of Castile and Leon, wife of Ferdinand II, Queen of Spain has recently unified Spain, can she ensure it's longevity with Muslim threats at her borders?

France: Under Louis XI France has become united, his armies have beaten the feudal lords and united France, but now the king grows old, will he be able to lead France to the same glory he led his own armies to? Will France flourish? Will it be the first to find an western sea route to india? Or will France wither and die under the might of hapsburg spain and the holy roman empire?

England: ((to come later, the civ is in, the leader, elizabeth, is a placeholder at the moment, just assume she's elizabeth of york or something ))

Holy Roman Empire: You are emperor of Rome and it's empire. The Teutonic lands have all but been absorbed into the empire founded by Frederick I, and you sit in his throne. The sons of Osman grow every more powerful, and each day they press further into your lands. Spain has launched a bloody inquisition and seeks to found an empire. France has been united yet it's leader grows old. Will you tolerate such actions? Or will you win honor for Almighty God and the Holy Roman Empire!?

Kalmar Union: Once your people were mighty and the mere utterance of their names was enough to cause fear and worry amongst the people of the world. You are of the stock of the ancient Scandinavians, their lands are yours, unified in an agreement that threatens to break. You are Christian IV, King of Denmark, and head of the Kalmar Union. Though your people may have been fierce once, you now seek to reform the land, Christianity has long since taken hold, and an age of enlightenment is beginning to sweep the land. Prove to the world your days of barbarism are behind your people.

Russia: Can you surpass Ivan III the great? Dare you follow in his footsteps and refuse the grand khan? dare you cast of the shackles of subjugation and invite the Great Horde to sweep across your lands? You are Ivan III, also known as Ivan the great, Grand duke of moscow, russia is united only under the rule of the Khanate, it will take a truly great man to unite the Kievian rus, Novogrodia, Moscow, and Kherson, it will take an even greater man still to become russia's longest ruler, and survive the coming tide of the Horde. Perhaps if you think wisely you can subjugate the Khanate itself! Come Ivan, the Steppe awaits in silence for the coming bloodshed

Ottomans: Hail, O glorious Sultan! You who have taken Istanbul his own, he who is king of Byzantium! You are Mehmed, El-Fatih, Son of Murad II. Come, sit, and feast, for there is much to be done! The caliphate grows weaker, Sultan Mehmed perhaps we can claim their land? We, the sons of osman, would control the arab world from Baghdad to morroco! The caliphate are rooted in their ways, yet we have the gifts of the khanate, we have a fresh stock of janissaries and galley slaves, let us use them! Our scientists are briliant, our lands rich in desires goods, and we control the pass into the arab world and the far east. But worse! The western fools challenge our galleys at lepanto, they strike at us from italy! To these westerners who dare call we faithful infidels, I say let us show them the glory of the Ottomans!

Mali: Mansa Musa, you are one of histories greatest kings, your lands are rich, yet there is little to eat, it is a good thing you have excess and the caliphs are friendly! Yet if you were able to spread the influence of mali into all of africa, then your will and empire will be as mighty as heaven itself.

Ethiopia: Great Negusa Negast! O, King of Kings! You are the Seed of Jacob, “Zara Yaqob”, alike to your name, your forefathers founded a nation. Christ will guide your kingship through the ages, and keep you rightly guided against the Islamic incursions in Soudan.

Golden Khanate: You have taken this land from your brother by bloody war, and in retribution the gods saw fit to take land from you... The Rus grow rebellious, the mughal forsake us, the chinese wage war on us, yet you are grand khan of the golden horde!
Show these fools true power and let the horde rampage once more! ((note: this is a difficult [or meant to be] civ, they are behind in technology, but control the most land and own the russian states. Upkeep will be high, for your empire is dying, the chinese have started a new dynasty, overthrowing mongol rule, the Mughals form their own splinter empire, forsaking your rule, threatening your southern borders with strife and conflict. Can you prove yourself a worthy leader? can you save the dying khanate? Can you become the next Genghis?))

Mughal: You are Jalaludin Muhammed Akbar I! Akbar the Great! Ruler of the mughal empire! try to surpass akbar himself and conquer the entire indian subcontinent (( sorry for the lack of a description here and any further lacks, it's getting kind of late here))

Ming Dynasty: freed from mongol rule, the chinese must now attempt to re-establish themselves in the world, but the mongols still lay at your borders. there is hope though, in islanders who call themselves "the japanese"

Japanese


Aztecs: The americas are full of tribes, all destined to bow before the gods and the aztec people! The gods chose you to lead your kind to conquest, prove yourself worthy to the heavens and crush anything on land. But be cautioned! The prophets of old have warned of the return of Great Queztacoatl, and it is foretold he will arrive on the backs of giant swans, full of fiery revenge!

Inca: O great sapa inca! Times for you are truly turbulent! Much of your land has been passed to the dead, and kingdoms run thin to plunder for your coffers! The curse on your throne still holds true, and it is believed the great inca people will be wiped form the earth soon.


Please give this scenario a shot and tell me what you think.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=245

Special thanks to Mrdie

Planned Updates: Fix Nguni, change start date to appropriate time, add a description, fix otherbugs that may be found, review replies and try to determine what needs to be fixed, hide in terrorfrom the guy who flames me for calling the Nguni backwards ((even though they were!:p ))

Anxiously awaiting replies

~Quantum

Love to try it, but it says I don't have access to download it or somethin. :(

Sorry, I uploaded a cleaner better version, it's probably still in file purgatory,I'm working on updating it further, but i'm having trouble figuring out how to get the Nguni to not have contact with everyone fromt he start, thus fixing them. Also that reminds me, Ineed to update the descriptions

Looks great. I will try this as soon as I get Warlords and I'll play as Louis XIV. :)

Looks awsome. I'll play this as soon as I get Warlords.. next week :woohoo: .. I think I'll play France first but Russia sounds the most challenging.

add Poland and I'll be your biggest fan... I know it's crowded in Europe so if you have to push Russia further back, I wouldn't mind :D

I was actually debating adding in the polish lithunian union, but my main problem is adding it in as a new civ I'm trying to work it in though

Yay, it works now, :). I'm gona try it.

Major update to the mod: Jagiellon Empire added, leader fixes, updated map, improved ottomans, fixed religions, Nguni still have contact with everytone though:(

What about some screenshot?

Wonderful. I love the new vassal feature. This is my first time i've used it. Really fun. As the Prince of Muscovy, I decided to become free. I took the barb area. Then went and decided to keep settling East till I was free. If need be I'd go to America. So far I've gotten two cities past the Urals with two more on the way. Just 14% more area and about 7% more population and I'll be free! Then I'll teach those Scandies some lessons :) Thanks again.

It's really cool how realistic it is. My master is starting to lose control. The Euros are knocking at his steps and are settling America. eTC.

REALLY like it :):)

2 things I spotted when I was playing my first game..the Kalmar Union has the name Swedish, which I would have Scandinavian. Nothing much...and the holy cities. Jerusalem should be the holy city of Christianity and Judaism and Delhi of Hinduism :)

Nothing much :)

Love it :D

I've been playing it for a while... making Poland a colonial powerhouse in North America :lol: quick question: How can I turn the turn limit off? Or will I still be able to play past the scenerio end-date ?
It'd be nice if this could be combined with the rebellion mod, so the colonial holdings could start breaking off, and things would look very interesting then.

One thing I did was I moved Danzig to the other side of the Vistula basin (one tile to the left)... b/c it was way too crowded next to Krakow. Maybe some work to space out the cities in Europe so they are at least two tiles away from each other would be in order... especially the city in present day northern germany and denmark, and paris and the netherlands... other than that this scenario has been great :goodjob:

to # 12, Delhi shouldn't really be the holy city of hinduism, Benares, or Varanasi is a site of a shrine to Lord Kashi Vishwanath, who is an incarnation of lord Shiva, and it is considered one of most sacre pilgrimage sites for hindu peoples.

on the subject of rome being the christian holy city, after the fall of antioch around 1290, or some date close to that,. the major centerof religious power shifted to rome and other papal states, and italy is too crowded to add in a new faction and cities (( papal states)) but if people wish me to, I guess I can.

as for the swedish thing, sorry I had meant to change it with the latest version, I'll get on fixing it to scandinavian.

to #13
to edit the turn limit go to you warlords expansion folder in "Sid Meier's Civilization 4" select the folder you put the map in, right click it, select the open with option, choose notepad and you sould see, right as you open it," Maxturns=300" change "300" to the desired turn number.

as for spacing the cities, i'll try to space them and keep their locations somewhat accurate, wish me luck and thanks for the replies!:goodjob:

Uh, if it starts in 1490, then it's really the 16th century. I fixed the Nguni contact problem if you haven't done it already. Also, in China, there was a galley in a non-coastal city. I replaced it with a cho-no-ku.

Nice scenarion, but Holland should really be Amsterdam, and I would advise moving Paris down one square.

Does this mod address the "military revolution" of the 16th century? I'm quite interested in a mod that involves the changes in military and governmental technologies that took place in Europe during that part of history; especially the changes to fortifications, siege operations, and fiscal policy.

Looks great!! will try it in 5 min.

Really cool, sort of like a sequel to the scenario in the original.

There are some things you might want to change though.

Spain has too big an army. I played as them, and wiped out France on the second turn. Maybe take away a few conquistadors and give them a galleon in stead.

Japan is identical to the 1000ad scenario, but I like that. All they should have is a couple more Samurai, and thier galley moved to the southern city.

The Zulus need more settlers, but no more technology. Also, why do they have contact with all the european civs?

You might want to change the way time passes. Like the normal game, time should slow down as you advance through history.

Other than that, its a great scenario.

I like it a lot played spain and britain so far.

definitely feels like the ad1000 scenario continued from the original game


Couple things I noticed:

lot of holy cities such as jerusalem missing, was this on purpose?

mongols are too strong? by 1490 I thought russia and the mughals had gained their indepedence.


shaka seems to have a lot of tech.

cairo.... spelled with lower case in game


I would have preferred prussia to poland


netherlands and syracuse, nice touch but spain loses them fast to culture.

britain seems to start a little weak in sea tech

love the ottomans

About placing the holy cities, to me it seems they got changed automaticly even if you are editing other cities religion, for example Jerusalem is the holy city of christanity while editing any other city (like Augsburg) you delete the christianity, Jelusalem will be switched back from holy to normal city with christianity, at least that is my expierience.

Nice scen. I have some Comments on it.
Both Greenland and Iceland where Christian from the year 1000. Greenland gets way to populated in later in game while Iceland dosn´t grow has much. THis should be the be the oposite. Uppsala should also be a Christian city.
Technology is not so good for this scen. Around 1600 most european civs have entered the industrial age. Slow down the later tech. the early techs like navigation should be accessable by all around 1510-1550. industry techs should be pushed back so only large empires can effectly research it.

I apologize for my absence, I lost internet and lost the data on my computer, so I also lost my work :(.
I'm working on remaking what I had from the old version, things that will be changed
-(slightly) reworked map
-better city placement
-Better religion
-Fixed shaka contact bug
-new civs!
-Better civics
-more barbarians
-Maybe more

thats all for now!

Kalmar Union: Once your peoplewere mighty and the utterance of their names was enough to cause fear and worry. You are of the stock of the ancient Scandinavians, their lands are not yours, unified in an agreement that threatens to break. You are Gustav Vasa, King of Sweden, and though your people may have been fierce once, you now seek to reform thw land, christianity has taken hold, and an age of enlightenment is beginning to sweep the land. Prove to the world your days of barbarism are behind your people. can you live up to the namethat is Gustav I?


Oops... Denmark was head of the Kalmar Union, that's an insult to our glorious history :king:

Bring the swedes down in the mud where they belong! :goodjob:

What is UP witht he hatred between scandinavians?! aren't you norwegians, swedes and danes alike? *gets shot* ... right.. kidding >.> but anyways Gustav vasa was elected king of sweden right before the fall of union, so even though denmark led it for the most part, gustav vasa I, was, to my knowledge, more prominent, if i'm wrong, please correct me and supply information, if you're a dane, I'd appreciate input on the kalmar union, as I've not much access to resources

Great scenario, but there is some flaws.

Ok, its fun, but when I play as a Euro, civ, I dominate the new world without competition. In the beggining its preaty equal (except for spains army) untill I get to the New world. I conquer Aztecs, barb cities, and Inca, use all the prodouction to send units to take Australia, Japan, India, and China, and then I pretty much won. My suggestion is that England, France and Spain start out with a size 1 outpost (France gets Quebec, England gets Jamestown, Spain gets St. Augustine) with a few units, and all atwar with eachother, instead of the Ottomans, and put aggressive AI, and maybe even a Native American Civ (Iroqouis or Soux?). Maybe instead of Jamestown being English, make it the U.S. and make them vassals to england. Either way, its a great scenario :goodjob:

Wrong time period for america, sorry, but in the newer version the new world will be soemwhat harder to invade, aztecs and incas will be implemented, they're in now, but in the newer version they'll be brought up to date. Also, Techs and production will be alot slower, as I set the game speed to marathon (time still passes year by year however) in my testing, the time rate seems to be fine, the more powerful empires research techs faster, thouygh still takes fairly long, and more primitive empires will struggle. a way to counter this if you have trouble with tech is to trade with others, unless you're one of the primitive civs (and thus meant to be without much tech. advancement) you should have acess to allies.

another thing to remember:
Africa and the east indies will also be good places to colonize in the newer version, so you'll have more choices as to where you want expand

One more thing:
I have a new civilization slot, what should I use it for? new native american civ? Papal states perhaps? New asian civ? Input is apreciated!

hope this helps ya

I have a new civilization slot, what should I use it for? new native american civ? Papal states perhaps? New asian civ? Input is apreciated!


Use for Iroqouis!

Ottomans also need more soldiers

The Papal States would be interesting due to having religious control over most of Europe. I'd go with them, with an Asian civ as a second choice.

I love this screnario! I played the Earth 1000 AD one a lot, and to get a new frech one in Warlords is great!

Why didnt you add some new Warlords resources though, like tee and salt etc?

Also, make it harder to get Oil! Its really fun when there are just a few places to get oil from, and you really have to plan your push.

Use for Iroquois or another North American civ please :cool:

Sorry, I m new here and I just wonder which folder do I have to edit this download? Should I unzip it to PublicMaps or Mod? Do I need to download mod to make this work as this is only scenario and not a mod?

no worries, but i'm sure it's stickied around here somewhere, this is, as stated above, not a mod. Unzip the map to your public maps folder

This scenario is absolutly great! But Can you try to balance the civs a little more please, here is what I think:

1. Spain has to big army.

2. Ottomans and Chinese are both way too good, I start on Diety and is dominating.

really? I think Ottomans need a bigger army

Gustav vasa was elected king of sweden right before the fall of union, so even though denmark led it for the most part, gustav vasa I, was, to my knowledge, more prominent.

You are quite wrong, the Danish Queen Margrethe the 1st more or less created the union which was inherited by her adopted son Eric the 7th of Pommern.

In 1448 Sweden elects Karl the 8th as King and is in fact out of the union, but Norway remains a part of Denmark and stays an integral region of the Danish Kingdom until the Napoleonic wars.

The Kalmar Union officially seizes to exist in 1523 Gustav Vasa becomes King, but only in Sweden, not at any time of the union is Sweden dominant, only Denmark.

What is UP witht he hatred between scandinavians?! In my opinion the Scandinavian peoples are like brothers, we hate and fight each other when we are alone, but as soon as an foreign enemy appears we stand toghether till the end. That is why the Kalmar Union was created and that was why it fell again. The same thing happened in the Danish wars against Preussia, later Germany, in 1848 and 1864.

Conclution: Let the capital be Copenhagen (København) and the leader be a danish one!

Balance overall is needed.

The Barbarian cities in the middle east are too easy to take, and they have world wonders that are incredible.

Also, when I play as French I have a really hard time to get a Great General, even though I have far more exp than 20, so my thought is that the GG comes at like 80 exp as French. When I played Ottomans I got my first GG really quick.

This scenario is really fun though, so I hope the creator can put some more work into it. :)

I played with China-Ming, it's funny.
Thanks for the great work and hope you can keep up the work.

You are quite wrong, the Danish Queen Margrethe the 1st more or less created the union which was inherited by her adopted son Eric the 7th of Pommern.

In 1448 Sweden elects Karl the 8th as King and is in fact out of the union, but Norway remains a part of Denmark and stays an integral region of the Danish Kingdom until the Napoleonic wars.

The Kalmar Union officially seizes to exist in 1523 Gustav Vasa becomes King, but only in Sweden, not at any time of the union is Sweden dominant, only Denmark.

In my opinion the Scandinavian peoples are like brothers, we hate and fight each other when we are alone, but as soon as an foreign enemy appears we stand toghether till the end. That is why the Kalmar Union was created and that was why it fell again. The same thing happened in the Danish wars against Preussia, later Germany, in 1848 and 1864.

Conclution: Let the capital be Copenhagen (København) and the leader be a danish one!

Hmm .. interesting, bear in mind the key phrase was "to my knowledge", so what would you suggest for a leader? and should I remove the swedish cities and give them to barbarians?

as for spain, i'm working on balancign the armies and units of the nations a bit more

edit: and for the nation slot, well it
s been decided, you'll just have to wait and see ;)

omg, my girl is mad now because I am totally addicted to this scenario, its the most fun ever! :) Another guy at my work is totally hooked up on it too. Hehe, well, 1 more thing: Can you add the new Warlord resources to it, like tee etc? Mayby give it to the weaker civs?

Overall, the civs that needs a little boost are:

1. Arabia
2. Russia
3. Polen

The civs in Africa and America I dont count here.

Sweden, French, Germans are balanced I think.

Actually, Gustaf I came to power as a result/culmination of "Swedens" by then ongoing struggle to "free" themselfes from the clutches of Denmar... eh... The Kalmar Union. He was allied with the german hansa-states, who's influence the Union had been created to challange in the first place.
He were more of a central figure in defining the nation of Sweden... resulting in many uprisings and subsecuent bloodbaths.

-Hence; the capital of The Kalmar Union should be in Copenhagen and the leader should really be Margareth of Denmark.
She was truly the Queen that ruled the kings around her.

btw; i'm swedish... hence any bias would make for an opposite take.

omg, my girl is mad now because I am totally addicted to this scenario, its the most fun ever! :) Another guy at my work is totally hooked up on it too. Hehe, well, 1 more thing: Can you add the new Warlord resources to it, like tee etc? Mayby give it to the weaker civs?

Overall, the civs that needs a little boost are:

1. Arabia
2. Russia
3. Polen

The civs in Africa and America I dont count here.

Sweden, French, Germans are balanced I think.

HA! thats great to hear, the fact that you like it, not the mad girlfriend part! as for the resources, i'm afraid I cannot add them in as well, those are moded resources, this would need to be modded to have theose resources, and I can't mod :(

Hmm .. interesting, bear in mind the key phrase was "to my knowledge", so what would you suggest for a leader? and should I remove the swedish cities and give them to barbarians?

Well, i think you should move the capital and let the Swedish cities remain a part of the union, they are still a part officially and Denmarks strengh is very low already. Denmark was a European great power at that moment and the "province" of Sweden was not as big as present day sweden is.

As for leader I would suggest our colourful King, Christian IV, a real idealistic renaissance King. I am aware that he lived a century after the Kalmar Union broke down, but he reflects the period very well.

By the way, Finland is a part of Sweden at that moment so you might consider to integrate them in the union instead of them being barbarians.

thanks for the advice Royalist, I really appreciate the help!

Always happy to help ;)

Finally! an update! not fully to my liking, but you guys deserve it, so it'll be up within the half hour!
-ADDED!
wattasid kingdom of morroco under abu abd allah al-shiek

Italian states i.e papal states, under the most infamous figure in the catholic church, Joseph ratzin-... wait.. sorry.. second most infamous :lol: Pope alexander VII, or Rodrigo Borgia! control all of the chrstian world as the most powerful man on earth and god's regent to men from your seat of power in rome

changed Zulus to Great Zimbabwe

edited Denmark-Norway, Thanks Royalist!\

and more!

very cool, I cant wait to come home and try it out! :)

Btw, one more thing: I dont like when Cities are placed to tight, that takes away a little fun. So isnt it possible to remove a city for Polen for example, but makes the existing ones a little more powerful or something. :mischief:

where to download?

Yeah, is the new version released? :confused:

should be, and just to make sure i re-uploaded it, it's on the CIVfanatics downloads section

Two things I noticed:

1. Cherokee, the C is c.
2. Shouldn't the Aztecs be hated by the Spanish? The Aztecs loved the Spanish at first (They thought Cortez was a God) but the Spanish certainly didn't love them...

I also hoped to see more new world colonization by the major naval powers. Alas, it took 300 years for a country (England) to found the first city in the New World...........on top of Quebec.

Posted an update on this, and I will have an update for BTS.
should it include Netherlands? portugal?
here's what I'm hoping to add if I can
Sioux/amerindians
Portugal
Netherlands
korea


anyways, Let me know what needs to be changed in the new version I just posted!

This is probably the best scenario I've seen for Civ IV .. what I found suprising is amazing balance between the powers, much like in reality. Keep up the good work!! :)

Glad you think so highly of it dankok!
Unfortunately the update I uploaded was the wrong one, the correct one is up now, here are some of the changes in this update I forgot to mention in my first post

Added Azores, Canary islands for spain (Azores were Portuguese but there's no portugal... yet ;) )
Taiwan for china
Ryukyu islands for japan
Indonesian islands, manilla, sumatra, etc
polynesian triangle, four islands, samoa, tahiti, hawai'i ((Honolulu in oahu and Kealakekua)) New zealand was already in

More goodie huts in Australia, to make it a place to vie for in your grand colonial land grab =p

fixed Mughals, they control what they should historically, at the eve of the invasion

nerfed golden khanate so they don't go off conquering the mid-east

and more, give it a try ;)

(oops -- ignore this post...)

Great scenario, but there is some flaws.

Ok, its fun, but when I play as a Euro, civ, I dominate the new world without competition. In the beggining its preaty equal (except for spains army) untill I get to the New world. I conquer Aztecs, barb cities, and Inca, use all the prodouction to send units to take Australia, Japan, India, and China, and then I pretty much won. My suggestion is that England, France and Spain start out with a size 1 outpost (France gets Quebec, England gets Jamestown, Spain gets St. Augustine) with a few units, and all atwar with eachother, instead of the Ottomans, and put aggressive AI, and maybe even a Native American Civ (Iroqouis or Soux?). Maybe instead of Jamestown being English, make it the U.S. and make them vassals to england. Either way, its a great scenario :goodjob:

The 1400's is a bit early for European colonies in the Americas. It sounds like this would benefit from some Python-coded events that would create these outposts during the right century if there still is room (or for other for expansionist CIVs around the globe). I'd love to help with that, unfortunately I have no experience whatsoever with Python. ;)

That's really not a bad idea ambreville! python coding would allow for colonies like havana or jamestown at the appropriate time, ai scripted revolting against vassals, useful BtS if I add the dutch

now if only I know anything about python :lol:

A question i would like to play the last version for Warlords 2.08...

Because your scenario is very temptfull ;)

I would like play the next version, when will be realized ? :mischief:

C’est déjà pour 2.08, est là ennui? Je suis désolé, non bon avec le Français.

((double, sorry

If you're planning to update this mod for BTS, I suggest adding the Ethiopians, Native Americans, Koreans, Dutch and Portuguese. Also,make the Holy Roman Empire holy roman rather than German. Maybe add the Khmer (not sure what the empire in that region was called in 1500) too to fill the map. BTW I love the Warlords version of this scenario. :)

Updating this for BTS as we speak: there are unfortunately only 18 civ slots, and the only one I'd really be content inremoving is Zimbabwe, to replace with ethiopia. There's also no physical room for more European civs :( Khmer at the time were still around, but in a state of near total anarchy, their empire was falling apart, collapsing, and they may have (?) abandoned Angkor already and left it to rot int he jungles, so no sense in adding them. The HRE is changed to well.. the HRE, Planning on renaming it to Eastern Hapsburg empire, and renaming spain to Western Hapsburg empire.

Koreans are supposed to be over-run by the japanese soon and like the khmer were falling apart, so no sense adding them. No space for the dutch or portuguese in europe :( Ethiopians I'd like to add, and am tempted to remove the Mwene mutapa. I'm also tempted to remove Italy, even though I desperately want them in as a counter balance.

I'm also wondering about adding in some map scripts to make the game more interesting.

Where to I put the file once I download it? I placed it in Warlords/public maps and I can't access it. I also tried Warlords/saves/worldbuilder and civ4/publicmaps

Speaking of the 18 civ limit, has anyone used the modified .dll that allows more civs ? would it work here ? BTW I totally agree with what you're doing but don't remove Italy or rename the HRE or Spain. :)

thanks dankok, i'm getting ready to make a release, but I'm debating about great zimbabwe... I may replace it with ethiopia, not sure.

I'll look into the modified .dll though

Why have Great Zimbabwe/Mutapa? It seems that the European/Arab AI (well, at least from what I've seen) never really colonizes much into Africa. Plus most of the exploring nations (aka: Europe) are on the west side anyway.

Why have them? Mwenemutapa Inspiried the myth of Ophir and king solomon's mines because of it's massive gold trade, and boomed right around this time period till N!guni, Bantu, And Portuguese forces beat them into submission. Mechanics wise they're a nice foil to Mali, So i guess Ethiopia works just as well.

Going to add it in if there are no objections?

Update!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Check the download

The MOD sounds good. I'll try it out when I get a chance.........

bumping this, some thingsI noticed, ethiopian faction could use a boost, gemans need less troops, more landsknechts. Anything elseanyone has to say or wants to note?

looks good. :goodjob:

please get everything updated for your BtS version of course. Might be worth starting a new thread, but thats up to you ;)

Thanks! :D

But what exactly needs to be updated?

England: ((to come later, the civ is in, the leader, elizabeth, is a placeholder at the moment, just assume she's elizabeth of york or something ))

I'll check the BTS-version first then, shall I?;)

:confused: I've downloaded this too, but it reads "Earth 16 century" as well. So I'd suggest either editing the DL page text or renaming this thread.;) (Haven't actually looked at the content as I'm busy with the BTS one right now.)

This scenario sdhouldn't run in warlords, it's been updated for BTS, I suppose it's terribly unfair of me to exclude those people who still have warlords, So I guess this isthe thread for the warlords version? le sigh now I need a new download page for the BTS version and new screenshots <_<

This scenario sdhouldn't run in warlords, it's been updated for BTS

I guessed as much from the little picnext to the file; I'll place it in BTS then, shall I? (It's still got the same name as the 16th century one...:confused: )

That would be because they're the same scenario both set at the dawn of the 16th century.

:confused: So why am I DLing 'm both???

there's only one download file, both threads link to the same file. that will be corrected when I post the warlords version with some updates.

OK, your scenario is listed in the New Civ4 downloads post on the frontpage as Early 16th century (I'm assuming that's not your fault) and the link on your DLpage gets me here.:confused: Could you please make some corrections!!!:please:

Thats extremely odd, as I did not submit that to the update thread, and no update was made.. however, ifin' y'all'd mosey on over to the BTS thread.. :D

EDIT: going to be working on the warlords version.

Double EDIT: I'm too tired now, expect the aforementioned warlords update to come sometime tomorrow after 4, probably about 6 or 7, maybe later, I'm notoriously lazy, especially after classes.

update! dl link is warlords version, and the warlords version has been updated, forgot what I updated though, it was a lot.

You might want to upload on a mirror too, as AtomicGamer foor example. There are lots of people who have problems downloading your mod (me too), so that's an option of solving the problem there.

I'd love to use a mirror, but I don't have any version of the file anymore, the reason why it isn't working is because it seems to have been deleted from this site :(