Hi, This is my first post. Could someone please create an irish mod? The only one i can find is sibhaltacht but that only works on vanilla. I would like one for conquests v1.22
Thanks
Celt_McFadden
:D

Hi, welcome to CFC! :D

What exactly are you looking for? Just an Irish civ for the epic game?

Some guy was making one... I think... but I haven't heard anything about it for a while. Azmorg's Camelot! scenario has plenty of Celtic civs, too.

yeah either an irish civ or a complete scenario with units. Do you know anyone who is making one?

Why don't you try making one? It's much more reliable than waiting for someone else to finnish a scenario ;).

I don't know the first thing about making scenarios
All I know how to do is change the rules on the editor. I don't know how to make the uints or leaderheads.:confused:

Do you know how to add units/leaderheads without making them from scratch? If not, you should try to look at some tutorials. Use the new library, because it'll tell you the good ones.

Don't you need a specific editor to add them into the units32 though? because i can't find one i have searched everywhere.

Nope, the C3C editor does that. The units32 itself, you just use a free paint program (not MSPaint) and add them yourself

Or if you have Photoshop or Paintshop Pro, even better.

Thanks i think i will make my own but please if you know anyone who is making one please pm me so they can help me

hey, i'll help. wh don't we use this thread as a sorta development thread?

yes thank you i don't know how to use it as a development thread can you explain and i'm glad to have someone interested

well i mean post your ideas and stuff here. post links to the units you're using, city names, leader names etc.. and we ca give feedback.

well i would have 5 civs in ireland for each of the provences ulster, connacht, munster, leinster and mide (used to be a provence). The capitals of the provences; Tara (mide), Emuin Machae (Ulster), Cruachu (Connacht), Cashel (Munster), Fern (Leinster) Some of them are in gaelic some are not all of them will be in gaelic though. For the leader names i will have for connacht Queen Maev, for ulster i will have Cormac mac Aert, for leinster i will have Diarmait mac Mail, for munster i will have brian borumha and for mide the high king of ireland i will have Mael Sechlainn I. This is all i have decided on for now

My Anglo-Saxon scenario (see link in sig) features Ireland, although only as one civ, and you can't play it. However, it might be worth checking it out for ideas for units and leaderheads. I used the best graphics I could find for this time period and area.

sounds good so far. nice ideas.

Thanks plotinus i will look at your scenario for ideas. Can you create a map from an image from google earth?

There might be one of the forums. If not, you can always crop a map from a larger one (F12). I could try to make one for you too.

How many Brunnus icons are we gunna see on this thread ( I now he's Celt but kinda same)
Anyway a Irish mod would be a big hit that Im sure those that are and those that want be will flock to it. Im sure Ive seen a mod showcasing the blarney stone and some other irish relic but I can't remeber for the life of me where they were.

i have tried to crop maps but cannot find a map with a big enough ireland. If it's not too much trouble malbeth please could you try and make one. And T.A all the brennus icons are from my posts

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T.A all the brennus icons are from my posts
:) Ya I know bud, but theres a few more of us Laddys floating about, just 'jokingly' figured they might all stop by for this one. Later man

i have tried to crop maps but cannot find a map with a big enough ireland. If it's not too much trouble malbeth please could you try and make one. And T.A all the brennus icons are from my posts

I'd love to.

BTW I was also a Brennus too. :D

:D Thanks and brennus isnt even celtic from britain anyways hes from mainland europe lol i chose him because i thought he looked like brian boruma

What hes not? :confused: Oh well he still looks like the Mel Gibson Rendition of that Celtic hero from BraveHeart uh,Whats his name again?... bah! nevermind :)

you mean william wallace?

What were you going to do for unique units?
Mythical orders of knighthood( Red Branch, Fianna, Degad, Naisc Niadh...)?
Tuatha signiture units (Del Cais axeman, Desi pirate, Dal Riodha currach, Sedanti warriors)?
Mercenaries (Ulster Gallowglachts, Laighin; Norman Mercenaries and Dublin Vikings)
Clan signature units (MacDomhnaill (MacDonnell) Gallowglachts, O'Baoigheallain Horsemen)?
A mix of types?
Everyone gets the same units? (since Irish armies are similar anyway?)

you mean william wallace?
right your are Lad!, Im not going to pawn myself off as some irish know it all. Reason number one, I know Im not irish :) , and ether waz he, but the way I see it, hey! its all family anywho, so why not make a hero unit out that dude!

btw, actually Im kinnda irish, ;) :beer: My grandma ditched Ireland for Canada. She came one cold Halloween when she was only eightteen!, so that makes me Half green, the better half I mean! :rolleyes:

Is everyone on that continent half Irish?
Forget viagra, there definately something in the whiskey. (must be why its called water of life in Irish)

Ya, I heard a couple of famous Irish saying that are common here. One is: ..."There are 2 types of people in this world,....those that are Irish, and those that just wanna-be "

and another one.... "its not easy being green" .

Oh wait! :smug:

Here's a question, are you guys Catholic? :D

BTW, theres are map of Ireland somewhere on the forums. I'll try to find it.

guess what, i'm not! aha!

yay, i didn't know a map was made!

Here's a question, are you guys Catholic?

For what its worth, yes I am. Why?

BTW, theres are map of Ireland somewhere on the forums. I'll try to find it.


Mobilize started on but I dont think its finished. Resource wise. Cullyn was doing a huge one and he's a cartographer so I was hoping for a good one, but he never finished or posted it.

BTW I was also a Brennus too.


I too would like to join Brennus Annonymus. I'm recovering, but you never truely get rid of Brennus Addiction. I'm just taking it one day at a time....

For what its worth, yes I am. Why?

Stereotype. :joke:

Begosh and Begorrah, sure if it was a dog it'd bite me!
Trans-(oh yeah, it seems obvious now..)

Wouldn't Lord Malbeths modified england map do? Cant really do an Irish mod without a Scotland to conquer and some Sasnachts to quarrel with/trade with/civilise.;)

That's a good idea. You could start in Ireland with fog of war around you, and you could fend off your enemies.

pog mo thoin lol

use fada's or don't even attempt it ;) a óinseach.

I just found this thread, and so my 2 cents comes thusly:

I am Irish American...Irish by near pure Irish bloodline(I have a Norweigan G-G-Gmother)...American by (unfortunate) birth...I have a very strong sense of Irish Pride(in fact "Irish Pride" is tattooed on my stomach)

I tried to learn Gaelic, but, with noone else to speak/relate it to, I learned little...I also know very little about the Irish history pre-IRA...I have spent a decent amount of time understanding the current(most recent?) Irish struggle (resulting in airport bombings etc)...if any knowledge about the IRA is needed, either the legit IRA(sanctioned by the king as protectors), or the more known "terrorist" branch of the IRA, I can help.

To answer another question, Im not a Catholic. But I understand the issue between the Catholics and the Protistants(sp?)...I feel that there is a more pure Irish spirituality that existed before, and outside of Christianity/Catholisism...but thats all Im gonna say about that

Spacer's 2 cents ends NOW

{edit} I lied (told you Im Irish)...my thoughts on an Irish Mod, were to start as one of 2-3 Irish clan/counties and defend against invasion from the English and/or Norweigans(I believe...again history not being my strong suit...the vikings who invaded/founded Ireland)

Man, if you're from America, you're American! Why do Americans all insist they're from other countries? I have a friend from Texas whose mother swears she's French, even though I don't think she's ever left the US or even speaks a word of French. Australians and New Zealanders don't do this, even though Europeans reached those countries more recently.

Returning vaguely on topic, one other bit of advice is to have a good look at Anno Domini by R8XFT. He's got pretty much every single decent unit from this period in there - his mod almost functions as a unit library in its own right. Plus tech ideas and so forth, not to mention the leaderheads. By the way, I don't know that it would make sense to be defending from the Vikings *and* the English - they invaded at quite different times in history. In fact, during the Viking period, it was the Irish invading mainland Britain, not the other way around.

I would have to argue that if an Irish family has a child in England the child is still Irish...on top of that, NZ and Aussies have a history to be proud of...Without starting a political debate, America's history is nothing to be proud of, when all that connects me to this land is the misfortune of birth...

To simplify...noone (at least me) wants to be classified with other Americans...If I had the means to leave I would

just found this thread, and so my 2 cents comes thusly:

I am Irish American...Irish by near pure Irish bloodline(I have a Norweigan G-G-Gmother)...American by (unfortunate) birth...I have a very strong sense of Irish Pride(in fact "Irish Pride" is tattooed on my stomach)

I tried to learn Gaelic, but, with noone else to speak/relate it to, I learned little...I also know very little about the Irish history pre-IRA...I have spent a decent amount of time understanding the current(most recent?) Irish struggle (resulting in airport bombings etc)...if any knowledge about the IRA is needed, either the legit IRA(sanctioned by the king as protectors), or the more known "terrorist" branch of the IRA, I can help.

To answer another question, Im not a Catholic. But I understand the issue between the Catholics and the Protistants(sp?)...I feel that there is a more pure Irish spirituality that existed before, and outside of Christianity/Catholisism...but thats all Im gonna say about that

Spacer's 2 cents ends NOW

{edit} I lied (told you Im Irish)...my thoughts on an Irish Mod, were to start as one of 2-3 Irish clan/counties and defend against invasion from the English and/or Norweigans(I believe...again history not being my strong suit...the vikings who invaded/founded Ireland)


Wow...Dude....Where to start.
First off, please do not be offended, what follows is not a personal attack.
But that post is offensive and I want you to understand why.

am Irish American...Irish by near pure Irish bloodline(I have a Norweigan G-G-Gmother)...American by (unfortunate) birth...I have a very strong sense of Irish Pride(in fact "Irish Pride" is tattooed on my stomach)


Pure Bloodlines? What are we, Aryan supremisists. No one in Europe has a pure Bloodline. Irish Culture is a Celtic one, but the large majority of use are decended from the original inhabitants. Same with Viking and Norman invasions. Small numbers of invaders, bringing their culture with them. The Celtic/Gaelic culture was stronger in the end, due largely to a revival, at one stage we were pretty much Anglisised. Culturally were Irish. Culturally your American. Why not be proud of that? Yes you have Irish history and can add that in too but primarily you're American.
Don't believe me? OK, I'm Irish and your next paragraph is so offensive it makes my blood boil.
Bit of a culture gap eh?

I tried to learn Gaelic, but, with noone else to speak/relate it to, I learned little...I also know very little about the Irish history pre-IRA...I have spent a decent amount of time understanding the current(most recent?) Irish struggle (resulting in airport bombings etc)...if any knowledge about the IRA is needed, either the legit IRA(sanctioned by the king as protectors), or the more known "terrorist" branch of the IRA, I can help.

This is the big one.
The "modern Irish struggle" you refere to (airport bombings etc..) is Terrorism pure and simple. The Irish Struggle ended when we won independance more than 8 decades ago. It was an ultra-nationalist fringe who bombed innocents in the north and Britain. To fund this they robbed our banks, killed our Guardai (police), dealt drugs to our children, polarised society in the north and wove a romantic tale of freedom fighting against an evil empire to dupe Irish-Americans out of money.
The Irish-American view of "the Irish struggle" is distorted and largely fabricated. It was pedled and supported by a very vocal minority of Irish, northern Irish, Anglo-Irish and Irish-Americans. The propaganda output of these individuals was (and is) phenominal. Worse the influence of these histories and groups caused a revisionism of history in Ireland, increasing support for a group responsable for a huge portion of the national crime rate and the group against we had faught a nasty civil war.
Irish-American groups supported this because these distorted histories were inteligently argued, well written and the only source of Irish History easily available. They joined these groups to identify with they're history and feel more Irish, less American. Like you admit to feeling. They gave money so they could feel good about helping the motherland in her hour of need.
This money was spent on propaganda and murdering innocents.
Believing this distorted history is not your fault, there are far more books written supporting this view than the more moderate view. But please dont perpetuate it.

Some Hard truths,
The 1916 rebels were spat upon and reviled by the average Irishman. What gained them support was the cold-blooded execution of them.
The IRA "freedom fighters" mostly killed Irish Catholics who opposed they're terrorism and thugery. Not British soldiers.

To answer another question, Im not a Catholic. But I understand the issue between the Catholics and the Protistants(sp?)...I feel that there is a more pure Irish spirituality that existed before, and outside of Christianity/Catholisism...but thats all Im gonna say about that

The issue between Protestant and Catholics is not actualy about religion. Its about the Demographics that match the distribution of Catholics and Protestants in the North of Ireland. The 2 polarised groups of ultra-Unionists and ultra-Nationalists simply used fear to gain support. Catholics were mainly of Irish descent, Protestants mainly of Scots settler. If you make the fight about "Protestant opression of the Catholics" or a "Papist conspiracy to invade the North" you get more support than if you just deal in polotics. There was a climate of fear of the unknown when the North was founded. There was no Strong leadership for internal unity, and the Irish and British governments were seen (or could be made to be seen) biased. So society polarised.
Protestants and Catholic exist in peace in the Republic of Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. Its not about religion but about opportunists who took advantage of peoples fears.

{edit} I lied (told you Im Irish)...
:rolleyes: Thanks for the negative Steriotype.

I am sorry if I have inadventantly offended you. I hope I succeeded in keeing the post calm, accurate and even-handed, rather than angry(which is how I feel, not at you but at this, all to common distorted view of the Irish). But please, this steriotyping actually does harm, unlike jokes about Leprechauns and drinking too much.


The mod is fine as it is, Based on the 5 provinces and ancient Irish history, not distorted, rabid nationalist vomit...

Plotinus , I wish we could have you commisioned to make this mod, or even make the Irish playable in your mod Rood and the Dragon.:
Your expierenced at writing Pedia's and capturing History with reliable units improvments + wonders of the day and mixxing cultural atmospere with music Think it over some day! :)

Thanks, T.A. Jones. Unfortunately it wasn't possible to make the Irish playable in my scenario without losing the focus that I wanted to create. I don't really know enough about Irish history to make a scenario on it (and besides, I wouldn't want to make another Dark Ages British Isles mod really). But there are plenty of talented scenario makers knocking around the boards. The reason I made the two scenarios I did was that those were the scenarios I wanted to play. So if you want to play a scenario - make it!

Man, if you're from America, you're American! Why do Americans all insist they're from other countries? I have a friend from Texas whose mother swears she's French, even though I don't think she's ever left the US or even speaks a word of French. Australians and New Zealanders don't do this, even though Europeans reached those countries more recently.

Returning vaguely on topic, one other bit of advice is to have a good look at Anno Domini by R8XFT. He's got pretty much every single decent unit from this period in there - his mod almost functions as a unit library in its own right. Plus tech ideas and so forth, not to mention the leaderheads. By the way, I don't know that it would make sense to be defending from the Vikings *and* the English - they invaded at quite different times in history. In fact, during the Viking period, it was the Irish invading mainland Britain, not the other way around.

I feel the same way. I mean, if you have Irish roots, then your family is Irish, not you! Your (lets say) American! A bunch of my firends are like that.

Actually, funny story:

I'm one of the few Catholics in my school, and people are always trying to impress me by saying about themselves; "My Moms a Catholic, and my fathers Baptist, so I'm half-Catholic." Man, you can't be half-Catholic, what do they think they are? Jewish? :D

its not a struggle of religions in ireland anyway its racist loyalists trying to get rid of the country's inhabitants. Lots of murals in the loyalist counties have K.A.I on the wall (Kill All Irish) the fact that it is based on religion is false. And yeah why do all americans claim to be irish??? Even if they only have like one half irish relative or something. I have 3 irish grandparents and i live in england. Being American is a crap nationality that's why.

I dont think American is a crap nationality. I like Americans. I just dislike the view of Irish history that most Irish-Americans seem to have but like I said in my post its not their fault. Its Sinn Feins. I wanted to correct some misconceptions, not flame the guy because he's American. Anyway its not just racist Loyalists, its racist Republicans too.

Anyway this is getting way off topic and a little hostile. Can we get back to your mod?
celt mcfadden did you give any thought to my unit suggestions?

sorry tathlum i can't find your unit suggestions anywhere in this thread. Can you post them again please?

Post #27 on page 2.
Theres a question about what style of unique unit you wanted to use with some suggestions for each type.
If you give a preference I give give more detail...
EDIT; here it is
What were you going to do for unique units?
Mythical orders of knighthood( Red Branch, Fianna, Degad, Naisc Niadh...)?
Tuatha signiture units (Del Cais axeman, Desi pirate, Dal Riodha currach, Sedanti warriors)?
Mercenaries (Ulster Gallowglachts, Laighin; Norman Mercenaries and Dublin Vikings)
Clan signature units (MacDomhnaill (MacDonnell) Gallowglachts, O'Baoigheallain Horsemen)?
A mix of types?
Everyone gets the same units? (since Irish armies are similar anyway?)

I would try to use all the Tuatha De Danann units and the mercenaries you have posted. But for the knights i would only use the fianna. And every one would get the same type of units but some would have UU which are heroes; e.g for leinster Fionn MacCumhaill and for ulster cuchulainn even though he was not from ulster he fought for their army. Each UU would be able to build an army

Tuath De Danann units????

Oh, I see it. I posted Tuath signature units, not Tuath De Danann units.
Tuath just means Tribe.
Those tribal units would be real.
The Tuath De Danann, as you no doubt know, arn't.

Just to clear up, do you want mythical units or real?

sorry i got confused lol i get what you mean different tribes different units like del Cais axeman. I would like to have real units. Anyone else in this thread say what you would what in the mod

Personally, I'd love to see an Irish mod steeped in Celtic mythology with characters such as Finn Mac Cool, Queen Medb, Cu Chulainn, Conn of the Hundred Battles. Heck let's have a Celtic Mythology mod.

Conn

yay! my ancestor! Quinn-McCuinn-Son of Conn

Personally, I'd love to see an Irish mod steeped in Celtic mythology with characters such as Finn Mac Cool, Queen Medb, Cu Chulainn, Conn of the Hundred Battles. Heck let's have a Celtic Mythology mod.


Say something like, you start with a settler and a ship, isolated when the milesian fleet was scattered beyond the ninth wave. Make landfall on Eireann. Fight with the Tuath De Dannann for control of the island. Maybe meet with some Fir Bolg and get some tech and help off them, beat up some Fir Domhnacht. Fight off Fomor sea demons and other kingdoms. Later in the game fight of Lochlann raiders and Shidhe enchanters? Win a wonder victory by finding the 4 hallows of Ireland? A domination victory and become Ard Ri? Stuff like that?

that is a superb idea

fantastic plan!

And yeah why do all americans claim to be irish??? Even if they only have like one half irish relative or something. I have 3 irish grandparents and i live in england. Being American is a crap nationality that's why.

Hey, I'm proud to be an American! :salute: Don't hurt my pride. :sad: (Hey! Wait, I'm an Arnorian! I live in Fornost! Never mind. :joke: )

I live in a town of all Baptist Germans, and it's funny to hear them talk about Ireland on St. Patrick's day. ("I'm like 2% Irish dude!"). Its so stupid.

its not a struggle of religions in ireland anyway its racist loyalists trying to get rid of the country's inhabitants. Lots of murals in the loyalist counties have K.A.I on the wall (Kill All Irish) the fact that it is based on religion is false.

That was just an example, I wasn't saying all Irish are Catholic.

it alright i wasnt argueing with you anyway i was argueing with spacer one but thats all finished now anyway

Yeah, me and spacer one have kissed and made up by PM. Lets just concentrate on the mod, eh?

Now anyone got some favorite elements from Irish mythology they want to see?

Cuchalainn.

yeah cuchulainn
Éireann go Brách

Say something like, you start with a settler and a ship, isolated when the milesian fleet was scattered beyond the ninth wave. Make landfall on Eireann. Fight with the Tuath De Dannann for control of the island. Maybe meet with some Fir Bolg and get some tech and help off them, beat up some Fir Domhnacht. Fight off Fomor sea demons and other kingdoms. Later in the game fight of Lochlann raiders and Shidhe enchanters? Win a wonder victory by finding the 4 hallows of Ireland? A domination victory and become Ard Ri? Stuff like that?
Couldn't have put it better myself :goodjob:

Right if you guys want to kick around a few ideas I can come back with more background and maybe a basic structure. Theres a festival (spraoi) on in my town at the moment so I'll be out watching live acts and drinking for the long weekend and am going up to Dublin for the first half of next week.
After that I could start knocking something together, if someone else doesnt want to do it first, as long as experienced guys like plotinus and king arthur maybe give me some pointers. Dont want to step on any toes if anyone else wants to do it, I'll help them instead.

Always happy to give pointers. I've already given some general scenario-making advice here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=149597), together with links to other useful tutorials.

Now I'm going to worry whenever I see Plotinus has posted last. maybe he banned me! :D

Anyway, I have an idea. Fill Ireland with serpents! You have to chase them off. ( :joke: ).

Seriously, I think those ideas above are great.

How about ages as follows,

First age;Miselsian invasion (book of conquests)
Second age; Ulster cycle
Third age; Fenian cycle
Fourth age; Christian age

to match the 4 great cycles of Irish mythology?

Wonders such as the Tain bo Cualnge (how do I make Fada's? just doesn't look right without them), not only give you special units (red branch knights) but add culture? After all you can find Scottish Seanchai who will swear Fionn McCumhail grew up just down the road. So being accepted as the place a ledgend happend brings prestige to your Tuath/Clan.

I like that idea for ages Tathlum. I'd help out more but EFZI2 is in the process of being play tested and I'm a bit busy. I'll keep popping by to see how you're getting on and chip in with suggestions when I can.

thats a good plan tathlum :D

a fada is made by crtl-shift-vowel :)

woo, connaught legends coming into play!