WARNING: EVERYTHING AFTER THIS POINT IS NOW NON-CANON. PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK!

It's an even better time than you may suspect...
On that note:

From: The Citadel of Knowledge
To: The World

Many centuries ago, the world entered a new stage of development, as tribes everywhere joined together into civilizations. The time has now come for another change. The foolish, bloodthirsty, and destructive wars between nations, driven onward by a small upper class at the expense of the common people, have gone on far too long. As such, the Citadel is declaring an end to all war. We will institute a single, world-spanning government, in which all may live in peace and prosperity. We urge all nations and all peoples to join peacefully, and we expect there will be little resistance. We are, however, prepared to use force to pacify unwilling states, for the sake of eternal peace. And we have the power to back it up. We await your replies.




OOC: Yes, this is IC. Cue Iggy...

OOC: I saw that coming a long way.....

Nothing beats the fine handlings of the Invisible Hand.

On that note:

From: The Citadel of Knowledge
To: The World

Many centuries ago, the world entered a new stage of development, as tribes everywhere joined together into civilizations. The time has now come for another change. The foolish, bloodthirsty, and destructive wars between nations, driven onward by a small upper class at the expense of the common people, have gone on far too long. As such, the Citadel is declaring an end to all war. We will institute a single, world-spanning government, in which all may live in peace and prosperity. We urge all nations and all peoples to join peacefully, and we expect there will be little resistance. We are, however, prepared to use force to pacify unwilling states, for the sake of eternal peace. And we have the power to back it up. We await your replies.


OOC: Yes, this is IC. Cue Iggy...

sounds like Banism

Confirming the Validity of the Citadel's statement. IC statement coming after school.

Intresting, although I wonder how your going to do such a thing with current tech communications....(that is, you can't :p)

Intresting, although I wonder how your going to do such a thing with current tech communications....(that is, you can't :p)

Coconut radios?

Emissaries to all the nations in the world individually? I'm more dubious about this "power to back it up"

I'm not, the Citadel has been around since update 11, they probably already have subs with SLBMs loaded with Sentox nerve gas.

Haha, well I'm sure they have the capability, Iggy confirmed it. It's still weird.

Intresting, although I wonder how your going to do such a thing with current tech communications....(that is, you can't :p)
Define "current tech". :p

I for one welcome our new overlords and ask them to vanquish the filthy bastards occupying my island as I have been the Citadels favourite friend.

OOC: I might have neglected my nation more then a crack whore has her baby but I'll be damned if I'm not in a cozy position in this New World Order.

On that note:

From: The Citadel of Knowledge
To: The World

Many centuries ago, the world entered a new stage of development, as tribes everywhere joined together into civilizations. The time has now come for another change. The foolish, bloodthirsty, and destructive wars between nations, driven onward by a small upper class at the expense of the common people, have gone on far too long. As such, the Citadel is declaring an end to all war. We will institute a single, world-spanning government, in which all may live in peace and prosperity. We urge all nations and all peoples to join peacefully, and we expect there will be little resistance. We are, however, prepared to use force to pacify unwilling states, for the sake of eternal peace. And we have the power to back it up. We await your replies.

OOC: Yes, this is IC. Cue Iggy...

To the Citadel
From Zamdar

We find it surprising that scum like you can come to the same conclusion as we once had.
That eternal peace can only come through war, those who resist are your enemy and with each enemy annihilated you are one step closer to true peace and unity of all men.

But we have moved passed such foolishness, those who believe such things are a dieing breed in Adar.
You will get no help from us for we have not forgiven your betrayal and for all your talk we know you Eldist scum have vile and evil hearts.

I imagine my Divothiest allies will also resist.

From: The Citadel
To: Zamdar

We'd advise you to consult a few Divotheist priests before you pursue your foolhardy course of action.

Et la voila! :D Depending on their brand of fringe opinion, controversial future historians would declare this to be either the genetic heritage of Eldrania or the inherent evilness of all utopianists. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the next update now.

Et la voila! :D Depending on their brand of fringe opinion, controversial future historians would declare this to be either the genetic heritage of Eldrania or the inherent evilness of all utopianists. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the next update now.
Well, it would have to be the latter, given that the Prophet didn't have any children...

From: The Citadel
To: Zamdar

We'd advise you to consult a few Divotheist priests before you pursue your foolhardy course of action.

OOC: why on earth would I do that?, seriously their is no way we would surrender (or whatever your asking) to you, the people hate eldists in the history I made (tried to write it out but got bored, so only a rough outline, losts the maps after I bought new computer too) you were seen as responible for the destruction of Malkavia because you failed to send help and handed over Malkavians who had fled to the citadel to be slaughtered.

Also:

Instead, one ruling class, which has installed itself as ruler over the rest of the world, looks greedily or enviously at the domain of another ruling class. And then they attempt to take it by force. But, of course, they do not go themselves. Instead, they send those who are worth most in society, but given the least privileges. They send the common people, without whose power and whose actions no civilization is possible, to fight and to die in service of an empty cause, to fuel the greed of their oppressors.

This is complete bollocks the army runs my country and of course the army is the one who fights.

Well, it would have to be the latter, given that the Prophet didn't have any children...

Since when do facts stop controversial fringe historians (especially future ones)? :p

This is complete bollocks the army runs my country and of course the army is the one who fights.

Supposedly different parts of the army perform different functions, though. Its pretty hard to run the country and fight at the same time. So the argument still holds, kind of.

Since when do facts stop controversial fringe historians (especially future ones)? :p



Supposedly different parts of the army perform different functions, though. Its pretty hard to run the country and fight at the same time. So the argument still holds, kind of.

But they are both part of the elite, both been through the training and the ones fighting could also rise to the top and be apart of the decision making process.

OOC: Well, I hope JD realizes that won't work. World spanning governments never do, and unless he has lazers, nothing can come of this, because his tech won't be enough to back it up. And even if he's infiltrated most of the world through his spy network, there's still a considerable part left to even be discovered...

OOC: Well, I hope JD realizes that won't work. World spanning governments never do, and unless he has lazers, nothing can come of this, because his tech won't be enough to back it up. And even if he's infiltrated most of the world through his spy network, there's still a considerable part left to even be discovered...
A considerable part left for you to discover, perhaps.....

And Iggy should be able to clarify some things about this when he posts in a few hours.

A considerable part left for you to discover, perhaps.....

And Iggy should be able to clarify some things about this when he posts in a few hours.

Theirs no way you can maintain a spy network over the entire world for centuries.
When your spies masquerding as priests (or whatever) die its not as if you get first dibs on replacing them.

OOC: Well, I hope JD realizes that won't work. World spanning governments never do, and unless he has lazers, nothing can come of this, because his tech won't be enough to back it up. And even if he's infiltrated most of the world through his spy network, there's still a considerable part left to even be discovered...

Whatever, it would make for a fun new world domination campaign. This NES needed some new far-reaching aggressors after the Ascendancy was crushed, and the Citadel will possess a few trully unique advantages here.

OOC: JD. You were founded in 910. It is 1730. That's 820 years. You were founded around the time of the beginning of the Iron age. Even assuming TRIPLE our own world's progress, you could have a maximum tech level of the 15th century. That's still swords, you know.

If Iggy is allowing you to be a pseudo-Zionist conspiracy that has infiltrated the entire world and has the potential to destroy all nations in the world, then this would be the most ridiculous thing to have ever occurred in NESing, and would essentially render the entire point of this NES null and void, because reality would be thrown out the window. It would be more sensible to allow a fleet of sentient penguins to bombard and destroy the planet then to allow that kind of thing to happen.

It's just not realistic in the least, and if something even vaguely resembling it is true, then I would NEVER join another LINES, and I would hope no one else could. Realistically, you might have infiltrated most of Tellus and Azulia, but not to the level of being able to cripple them, let alone rule them. The rest of the world would simply be infeasible.

OOC: JD. You were founded in 910. It is 1730. That's 820 years. You were founded around the time of the beginning of the Iron age. Even assuming TRIPLE our own world's progress, you could have a maximum tech level of the 15th century. That's still swords, you know.

If Iggy is allowing you to be a pseudo-Zionist conspiracy that has infiltrated the entire world and has the potential to destroy all nations in the world, then this would be the most ridiculous thing to have ever occurred in NESing, and would essentially render the entire point of this NES null and void, because reality would be thrown out the window. It would be more sensible to allow a fleet of sentient penguins to bombard and destroy the planet then to allow that kind of thing to happen.

It's just not realistic in the least, and if something even vaguely resembling it is true, then I would NEVER join another LINES, and I would hope no one else could. Realistically, you might have infiltrated most of Tellus and Azulia, but not to the level of being able to cripple them, let alone rule them. The rest of the world would simply be infeasible.

This reminds when Azale closed his nes at apolyton because he had let Erez develop robots while playing as a Corporation and he was about to unleash them in a few turns.
But he realised that would completely alter the course of the nes and well most likely destroy it while annoying everyone.

To: Valin Republic
From: Myocaca

We are willing to pay a reperation cost.

OOC: JD. You were founded in 910. It is 1730. That's 820 years. You were founded around the time of the beginning of the Iron age. Even assuming TRIPLE our own world's progress, you could have a maximum tech level of the 15th century. That's still swords, you know.

If Iggy is allowing you to be a pseudo-Zionist conspiracy that has infiltrated the entire world and has the potential to destroy all nations in the world, then this would be the most ridiculous thing to have ever occurred in NESing, and would essentially render the entire point of this NES null and void, because reality would be thrown out the window. It would be more sensible to allow a fleet of sentient penguins to bombard and destroy the planet then to allow that kind of thing to happen.

It's just not realistic in the least, and if something even vaguely resembling it is true, then I would NEVER join another LINES, and I would hope no one else could. Realistically, you might have infiltrated most of Tellus and Azulia, but not to the level of being able to cripple them, let alone rule them. The rest of the world would simply be infeasible.
OOC. NK. Take this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heron_of_alexandria). Assume its potential was realized, given that society was different. Add a few hundred years. Extrapolate.

by the way Iggy what happened to all of my swordsmen?

OOC. NK. Take this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heron_of_alexandria). Assume its potential was realized, given that society was different. Add a few hundred years. Extrapolate.

Your a living example of North Kings pet peeve.

My pet peeve is the general hyper-advancing of technology and ideas in general. I mean, honestly, why do people NEVER rest until they get into the Iron Age? There were dozens of huge empires that existed in the Bronze Age; Iron isn't even that much better than Bronze, anyway, just cheaper. Bronze Age empires, for all of their faults, are fascinating. Then we have the rush to gunpowder, and the rush to find every other continent in the bloody world. Seriously, folks, why must you find more and more and more land? Why not develop what you have? Sending out massive resources to visit far off lands isn't feasible, usually...

hmm, well, your at the beginning of the Pre-industrial age then. there have been no mention of a massive incress in Citadel Population, or even hints of your techs. anything as significant as a bonified industrial revolution would have noticed.
that being said, anything short of that, including the foundation of the industrial revolution but it not happening yet, well, nice for you. you still can't do it, but your going to give everyone a heck of a run and bootstrap everyone else up one level.

OOC: LOLZ. Damnit. I blame the Oneists. The next people i was going to conquer was the Citadel because they had lands i wanted. But NOOOO you guys HAD to fight back and not be genocided peacefully. Thanks for condemning the world to death.

And Jala, how do the Bladeists fit into your new pacifist world order?

I for one like the concept, it;ll be interesting for the next 4-5 turns. Though if he found land south of Guarela i'll be mad. I must have sent like 2-3 expeditions down that way in Biguns.

Are my ships still bigger than his *crosses fingers*

OOC. NK. Take this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heron_of_alexandria). Assume its potential was realized, given that society was different. Add a few hundred years. Extrapolate.

That is stupid. Jal, I am well educated on ancient technology, but that was one of the least promising. Hero's steam engine was utterly useless and inefficient: you would need the thousands of years of advances that came after it to make it of any use: there is a REASON that steam was not utilized until the 1800s; people do not leave a technology lying around if it is useful.

And if you don't want to take my word for it, here, I'll give the facts and figures.

This device had an efficiency of about 1%, most likely, due to the inherent problems in its design.

So if you were to make a large scale model, and get from it only .1 horsepower, the work that a single man can do, it's fuel consumption would have to be 25,000 BTU per HOUR. Charcoal, the best fuel there was in the ancient world, would be 12,000 BTU per pound. This would have taken far too much work to even get the levels necessary to fuel the monster... For the work of one man.

Now, if you took a piston steam engine, yes, you could get something crudely approximating the idea of a modern steam engine, but to do this, you need several technological geniuses in a row, multiple Heros of Alexandria, plus no accidents, no discouragement, and a tremendous amount of good luck.

The machining and other problems with this means it is absurd to suppose that the technology could even be developed, let alone mass produced. Even more so, the idea that you've been able to keep it a secret when you have Citadelers wandering all around the world is just plain stupid.

Furthermore, steam engines in and of themselves are not even that important: only for sea transport and pumping did they really make a dent initially, even when all the elements needed for their design actually WERE around. Far more important were waterwheels and other forms of power, and if you think you have a monopoly on that, then you are delusional.

You might have gunpowder weaponry, but the idea that you've managed to keep THAT a secret is also absurd, and furthermore completely farcical, because we haven't even seen a single story about Citadelers wandering around in the pursuit of alchemy.

Chemistry, machining, power systems, and thought take millennia to advance for a reason; they DO NOT come overnight. Yes, the advances seem obvious to you, because you live in the bloody modern world.

I made the mistake once of letting a Rome develop gunpowder... But even I, in my newbieness of the time, even I, impressionable, young, and idealistic as I was, didn't let them keep that secret.

What makes you think that further research took place at the Citadel itself, or that all scholars knew about it?

Anyway, I strongly encourage that you wait until Iggy posts. You don't know the full situation.

What makes you think that further research took place at the Citadel itself, or that all scholars knew about it?

If you've kept it known only to one or two people, then it's effectively useless, because you'll need to equip, and in that time people can spy on you. You aren't invincible.

Thanks, by the way, for completely ignoring the fact that it's absurd to let anyone even GET the technology.

Anyway, I strongly encourage that you wait until Iggy posts. You don't know the full situation.

No, I don't. What I do know is that if even half of this bull is true, then I would call this NES a farce, and leave.

North King you're like my hero at this moment.

I think this is a plot by iggy to make people quit in disgust so updates are faster.

I must agree with North King on this one. Of course more infromation would be needed for final judgement, but if it turns out unrealistically...

:(

I must agree with North King on this one. Of course more infromation would be needed for final judgement, but if it turns out unrealistically...

:(

I must agree. If my last NES is to end in such a farce, I will be most disappointed.

Maybe the Citadelers were all poisoned because their drinking water was contaminated, so they have dreams of world domination and advanced tech and whatnot. >:O

As in, they only think they can take over the world, but when they try to do so, everybody crushes them and their supposedly technologically super advanced weapons.

It could happen!

More seriously, I'd side with North King, but there is the matter of Iggy going around to make some IC posts. So I'll wait and see.

There had better be a very thorough explanation.

OOC: Agreeing with North King. There's just no way a worldwide conspiracy or organization could ever occur at this time.

I'll stay out of blind loyalty. Though that hasn't really served me well in the last couple turns *glares at Khemri*

Then you failed to see beyond the surface, to the deeper plot that flows below.

Jk, I have nothing to do with Jal's conspiracy whatsoever, but I wish that I had.

The perseverance of the Valin people is quite annoying. It'll endure, even if jal manages to usurp power globally. Interestingly enough jal, this plan of yours eerily coincides with a lot of stories I've been working on.

OOC: A shame, I was working with the je- New Eldists in my southern cities because of all the money they make me. I hope they don't betray me on that :(

:eek: Wow, things finally start to pick up in Azulia (incidentally, awesome update Iggy - I got an econ. point! Wheeee!) and suddenly the Citadel pulls this massive world-domination scheme from their pacifist hat?

Incidentally, how exactly are the New Eldists going to affect Azulia? Last time I checked most of the nations there have a New Eldist population of 0%.

Though I'd hate to leave as soon as things are picking up, unless there's a very thorough and convincing explanation for this, I'll be catching the next bus with North King ...

OCC: Very interesting development. I do not think Iggy will make it so that the Citadel is unstoppable. I do hope that technology is not jumped several ages though. I enjoy the current age.

I will wait for Iggy to post and I will still stay in the game no matter what. Just saying I enjoy the current tech level :).

I think what we should do is all unite against the Citadel. A confederation. Then I can consolidate my power and justify the reason for gaining more power as a means to centralize more efficiently to stop the Citadel. Once the Citadel falls, it'll be too late - we'll already be in a one government world! Bwahahahahahaha!

I hope I didn't give anybody's plans away. >:|

Japaleno blew his chance to rule the world. If he had contacted me, I would show him the true way to rule the masses. Out of the shadows, we would never directly do anything, but insinuate, influence, guide....and then we would rule the world with an Invisible Hand.

Should a single attempt to usuper control in Ardan occur, war will be natural.

OOC: What? You expected some sort of threating message? Simple to say, I don't care who your ally is JD but I'd love for you to invade Arcadia :).

I'd reckon JD has got friggin zombie demons from outer space as his allies.

Nah. Not that out-of-the-world. He's annoying through as it'll mean another war I'll have to fend off. Through, I will admit that his timing came as a slight shock to me.

Btw, JD your secret plans are hadly a secret ;). I hope you have those a-bombs ready :}.

Me myself I wasnt surprised because I always expected for him to announce his master plan and takeover of the world. Nobody goes from uber-violent to uber-peaceful in such a short time span. Malfunctions occur.

Anyway I'd say he has really good napalm at best.

Nah. Not that out-of-the-world. He's annoying through as it'll mean another war I'll have to fend off. Through, I will admit that his timing came as a slight shock to me.

Btw, JD your secret plans are hadly a secret ;). I hope you have those a-bombs ready :}.
Ah, ~Darkening~, I love it when you act like you know what's going on. ;)

Well, what really screamed "LMAOUDMBAS" to me was when I asked permission to land a force within the Citadel to march south and fight and he agreed. True pacifists don't believe in fighting at all, and if his people were he would have refused. If you look back at the old updates, you cna really get an idea of what he's doing.

True pacifists don't go parading off in Gorin either ;).

JD, onyl a true fool doesn't know whats oging on :). Nevertheless, any action you take will be met wiht blood. Good luck performing your genocide.

Well, what really screamed "LMAOUDMBAS" to me was when I asked permission to land a force within the Citadel to march south and fight and he agreed. True pacifists don't believe in fighting at all, and if his people were he would have refused. If you look back at the old updates, you cna really get an idea of what he's doing.

True pacifists don't go parading off in Gorin either ;).

JD, onyl a true fool doesn't know whats oging on :). Nevertheless, any action you take will be met wiht blood. Good luck performing your genocide.
Well, ~Darkening~, I guess that makes you a true fool. :p

BTW, what do you mean about "parading off in Gorin?"

*Takes a deep breath*

Firstly, the Citadel does not have insidious agents everywhere. It has recorders and priests, but no more. I'd just like to clear that up.

Please Click Here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=216931)

People criticising this are being rather silly. This NES has seen SEVERAL well-coordinated mass exoduses and ancient age large-scale genocide that works. All of that is a bit unlikely, but none of it is strictly beyond the stretch of possibility as far as I am concerned. A world-spanning espionage network coordinated from the Citadel does NOT appear particularily unlikely to me; the Citadel was practically made for that part, and this greatly reminds me of numerous OTL occurances (though none so succesful, I think). As for extreme technologic advancement, we don't really know enough about this yet, but this NES is set in a very different world, with different flora and fauna, and many other differences as well. Different technological development would be something that I would, in fact, support, as long as it makes sense (physical, logical, socioeconomical).

I honestly don't see why do you people call it a "farce".

(Last moment addition: When this post was written, I did not yet read the "Future of LINESII" thread. My argument goes for what information we had before the aliens were thrown in. The aliens aren't strictly unrealistic (well, you know :p ) but are a bit off-topic. ;) )

EDIT: another last-moment addition (after actually reading the end of the other thread; I really should read things before I post :lol: ): well, I'm glad we got all that sorted out. ;)

so I pm my UUs or do I post them here??

Post 'em in the thread.

Awards coming tonight.

For the next thread, I'm getting rid of the confidence, culture and religious stats. Confidence will be clear from the results of the updates (or you could just ask, but if there's a problem I'll mention it in the update), and religion and culture will be unified in an ITNESesque blurb.

I never had time to win an award.

Awards coming tonight.

For the next thread, I'm getting rid of the confidence, culture and religious stats. Confidence will be clear from the results of the updates (or you could just ask, but if there's a problem I'll mention it in the update), and religion and culture will be unified in an ITNESesque blurb.

Sounds cool. Will the new thread be up after you post the awards?

LINESII Awards- Thread Two

Most Powerful
Gold- Khemri. Ever since the fall of the Lengels, Khemri has been the single most powerful nation in the world. It has once again defeated the Valins (with its loosely-affiliated allies) and looks like it will now be nigh-unstoppable, save by decay.
Silver- Valin Republics of Veritas. At the beginning of the war of the White Rose, this group had the combined power of several significant nations. But there were just too many nations set against it to prevent its destruction.
Bronze- Guangfei. Now the most populous nation in the world, and continuing its incessant economic development.

Largest Nations
Gold- Gorin. At its peak, ruled a vast territory north of Khemri. Much has been lost due to the recent chaos, but it will soon be regained.
Silver- Guangfei. Lots of land, lots of population.
Bronze- Magland. Just edges out Khemri, due to the possession of more territory that is indisputably theirs. Plus, this nation has a large capacity for further expansion in the immediate future.

Best Rise
Gold- Kelios. Since its foundation, this nation has become the dominant force in Azulia, destroying the once-mighty Tsayans and developing a powerful culture and economy.
Silver- Magland. Some may consider this more of a comeback than a rise, as the powerful Mag tribe was conquered by Trinlin centuries earlier. Regardless, this nation has quickly risen to prominence in the south, and is growing rapidly.
Bronze- Adar. This nation has risen to a pathetic blockaded city to a powerful force in the new world, due to sheer dogged persistence in its goals.

Best Comeback
Gold- Valin Republics of Veritas. From ruin to glory… and back to ruin.
Silver- Kalmar. From a rump post-Valin state to a powerful ally of Khemri with a large realm and revived culture.
Bronze- Myocaca. This nation was nearly destroyed during the Lengel invasion, but it lived on, rebuilding and redeveloping. It played an important role in many Bladeist campaigns, and has grown dramatically due to the fall of the Swades.

Greatest Fall
Gold- Lengels. At one point they ruled a titanic realm, but they suffered the eternal fate of nomad empires and collapsed.
Silver- Veritas (again). Went from the largest, richest, and strongest nation in the world to practically nothing at the end of the Great War. Then it gradually clawed its way back up, then was again crushed to next to nothing at the end of the War of the White Rose.
Bronze- Swade Ascendancy. Transformed from the leading force of Bladeism to a conquered and ruined state over the course of a few decades.

Richest Nations
Gold- Khemri. Twice as rich as it was last awards, and still in the lead.
Silver- Guangfei. Rich (though the wealth is quite focused in the upper strata), and trade will soon be picking up dramatically once Khemri’s silk route completes.
Bronze- Gorin. This country remains steady in its wealth, though several younger countries are on the verge of overtaking it.

Greatest Religion
Gold- Oneism. Veritas' power and its dream in spreading its religion all over the earth has been quite successful, living far beyond its founding nation. The faith fractured, but it is still strong throughout many parts of the world, thriving in almost all of the places which Ardan or Veritas has civilized. However, its influence is now waning, due to its massive loss of followers and a powerful nation to represent them.
Silver- Bladeism. This religion has spread like wildfire out of Cultesia thanks to the Swade Ascendancy. It has been pivotal in the decline of Oneism and the nations represented by it, and remained incredibly unified through all.
Bronze- Trinlinism. This underrated faith is followed by the young and rising nations in the far south. It has yet to make a big splash, but it is hardly likely that it will not do so in the near future.

Best Culture
Gold- Veritas, though this is rapidly declining due to the destruction of many of its holy sites.
Silver- Khemri. A truly unique culture Khemri is virtually alone in practicing its religion, and thriving without culturally-tied allies.
Bronze- Guangfei. This culture is as strong as a boulder. So far it has assimilated almost all of the areas it has taken over into one unified, rich culture.

Best Warmonger
Gold- Gorin. During the War of the White Rose, fought off a Lengel rebellion, Nkondi rebellion, Davian invasion and Merhai invasion at the same time, with direct aid from only one small nation- Fairhelt.
Silver- Swades. Commited massive and frequent wars, topped off by their massive conscription, which above all else resulted in the destruction of themselves and the Valin Republics of Veritas.
Bronze- Lengels. Despite defeats in their wars, the Lengel people lived- and fought- on.

Best Builder
Gold- Myocaca. Have you seen the scale of the things they build? Good economically too.
Silver- Citadel. Research, explore, build... etc. You saw this one coming.
Bronze- Gorin. Performed lots of irrigation and development programs in the north, and economically strengthened the region. Pity it fell into chaos shortly thereafter.

Most Good
Gold- Citadel. The recent events ignored, these people seek nothing other than peace and the advancement of the human race.
Silver- Khemri. Fought defensive wars for the continued prosperity and well-being of their people, never committed any atrocities (the worst thing they did was forcibly remove pro-Valin Kalmar officials from their positions of power.
Bronze- Myocaca. Turned against the Swades after they finally went too far. Resisted peer pressure and always fought against the extinction doctrine.

Most Evil
Gold- Swades. The Suwapa program. Constant inquisitions. The Fanaticism. Managing to alienate almost everyone from them. The Extinction Doctrine, and their self-destruction due to massive conscription. Need I say more?
Silver- Gorin. Was on the good list last awards. Notice that all of the nations from the evil list last awards are gone this time around?
Bronze- Magland. Mass enslavement of barbarians in their most recent campaign, and a general mistreatment of the Trinlin population of their country.

Most Abused
Gold- Veritas. Vast amounts of their population was destroyed, and most of the forces in the world were arrayed against them.
Silver- Gerbers. Suffered total, or at least near-total genocide at the hands of Gorin at the beginning of this thread.
Bronze- Tir Tairngire. A distant third, has suffered from large amounts of religious strife, forced conversions, civil war and foreign interventions.

Craziest Nations
Gold- Swades. Same reasons that they’re evil. Plus their insanely large draft.
Silver- Adar. Didn’t start acting pragmatically until their war with Zemora, which transformed them into Zamdar, a nation with a much brighter future.
Bronze- Ikki. Intentionally fragmented and self-destructed while in the middle of a life-and-death war.

Most Advanced
Gold- Citadel. Due to their constant researching, exploring and experimenting, technological development in this NES is advancing at a great speed.
Silver- Khemri. They have advanced naval technology, and are at the leading edge of mainstream technological advancement
Bronze- Gorin. They remain true to their culture of advancement, though this is now more often shown in metallurgy than domestic technology.

Most Unique
Gold- Kelios. This philosophical and powerful nation is an enigma to the west, and may become a great power someday. Cuivienen has a knack for making unique nations, it would seem.
Silver- Gamorrea. Religiously-driven civilized cavalry nation. I’ve never seen something quite like this before.
Bronze- Aryie. An island of peac- oh wait, not anymore.

Greatest Generalist
Gold- Khemri. Quite simply, they can do whatever they want.
Silver- Guangfei. Another powerful and balanced nation, though more socially stratified.
Bronze- Kelios. Skilled in war and trickery, culturally enlightened, and skilled stoneworkers. Quite a generalist, I’d have to say.

You don't give a storywriter award?

:hmm:

No, I do nation awards.

Though I did love your stories North King. I quite enjoyed the one about the Lengel who traveled too your lands, then the council decided that war against Gorin was the only choice.

No, I do nation awards.

Though I did love your stories North King. I quite enjoyed the one about the Lengel who traveled too your lands, then the council decided that war against Gorin was the only choice.

It wasn't entirely out of self interest. :p

It was mostly out of disbelief...

that might cause arguments :p

although I must say I'm attached to your stories (although that may have something to do with the name of an initial charecter!)

Nice awards, a bit suprised about second most good but *shrug* I suppose the similarities (of philosophies) between myself and Citidal kinda results in this (only major difference is that their anti-violence :p)

and religion and culture will be unified in an ITNESesque blurb.

Hurrah! ;) I think this would really work well for this NES, considering the great importance of various cultural influences.

EDIT: Nice awards, but:
Silver- Gerbers. Suffered total, or at least near-total genocide at the hands of Gorin at the beginning of this thread.

Wouldn't the fact that, karmically, we deserved it speak against us being classed as "abused"? :p

1 Silver and 3 Bronze. Nice. If only I had more time IGGY!

I quite liked the system you developed das. It would be way easier and more useful to write:

Myocacan Bladeist with Loyal Emorian Path of God Minority, Large Swade Influence.

Than:

Culture: Average
Confidence: Respecting
Bladeist (88%), Path of God (12%)

@Lucky- Why are you yelling at me?

@Lucky- Why are you yelling at me?

If I had more time I would have some Gold.

Iggy, Nice Awards. You coudn't have given me at least most boring nation :p

I can say I had several opportunities to snatch some awards. I will have no idea why I did not. Stupid loyalty to Kentharu :)

If I had more time I would have some Gold.

Yeah, that's what I said, too. :p

*mutters about how charging valiantly into Gorin should file Merhai under goodie-good nations*

Maybe into the dummy-dummy nations.

:joke:

Did you suspect that Fairhelt would try to finish the job they started when Kahir the Fox first was defeated by them and fled?

Wouldn't the fact that, karmically, we deserved it speak against us being classed as "abused"?

being an abuser does not discount you from being abused.....

A bigger bully mashed your head... and the rest of you. Presumably to avenge the Shalamari.

revenge; well thats what the propoganda says :p

Did you suspect that Fairhelt would try to finish the job they started when Kahir the Fox first was defeated by them and fled?

Iggy, I created the Fairhelt in my stories as treacherous bastards. I always worried about them. :p

What I didn't worry about was taking a three month break from NESing at a time when the nation needed me most, but... oh well.

oh Iggy, I just counted I should have 15 econ (you have updated stats I think?)

which will be fun, esp when I get Dehli back as a trade centre and my three other centres.....

LINESII Awards- Thread Two

Bronze- Aryie. An island of peac- oh wait, not anymore.



Haha! YES! :D

I can't believe I actually got an award. :3

oh Iggy, I just counted I should have 15 econ (you have updated stats I think?)

which will be fun, esp when I get Dehli back as a trade centre and my three other centres.....

It'll be productive starting next turn, the area still doesn't have a normal productive local government working yet.

Silver? SILVER?!!!!

How much are the dirty Oneists paying you, we'll double AND not kill everyone you've ever known! Now thats a good deal!

But seriously, Bladeism did deserve first, because its the biggest religion, its attracting the most new players, and unlike Oneism, its not in the decline.

Oh and *ahem*

Main Entry: war·mon·ger
Pronunciation: 'wor-"m&[ng]-g&r, -"mä[ng]-
Function: noun
: one who urges or attempts to stir up war
- war·mon·ger·ing /-g(&-)ri[ng]/ noun

Gorin just fought a shitton of wars. I don't think there was a turn of peace for me this thread. I started most of them. Only the Nurmaferi and Lengel Invasion weren't of my doing. I f-ing invaded all of my ALLIES and killed their citiziens! I genocided 3 or 4 of the Valin Republics of Veritas. Hell I made them the Valin Republic of Veritas. I made Aryie GO TO WAR. If thats not attempting to stir up war, I dunno what is.

Eventually, Guangfei, Khemri, Veritas, Myocaca, Sintonia, Bugaan, Ardan and myself had to team up to take me down.

I demand my insane bloody fanaticism be recognized better.
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Other than the above, I agree with the awards and give you an A+ for Awesomness.

But you should introduce a storywriter award. North King and Wubba deserve recognition for their awesome stories. And Alex deserves Bronze because he churns out stories about domestic Guangfei stuff faster than America increases its trade deficeit with China.

I made Aryie GO TO WAR.

You evil b-tard. :<

I know, if even the Island of Peace gets struck up to war, you know there's got to be something funky going on. >_>

Still! I got an award! *dances*

yay Gold for greatest builder, I just need to complete my giant Lighthouse and my greatness will be assured.

And Bronze most good and greatest comeback:woohoo:

Hooray for awards!

But you should do player awards as well...

@Swiss- The religions are close. And I judged warmongering by the level of success, not the sheer amount of war.

@Jal- I can give OOC player awards, but for now, these are the only official ones.

Gorin fighting off the Lengel rebellion with just Fairfelt's aid is incorrect. I distinctly remember the update mentioning a Croyodon army crashing into my flank, which caused my defeat...

Awards coming tonight.

For the next thread, I'm getting rid of the confidence, culture and religious stats. Confidence will be clear from the results of the updates (or you could just ask, but if there's a problem I'll mention it in the update), and religion and culture will be unified in an ITNESesque blurb.

you'll be changing the military as well right?

Change everything, the economy as well!

Silver? SILVER?!!!!

How much are the dirty Oneists paying you, we'll double AND not kill everyone you've ever known! Now thats a good deal!

But seriously, Bladeism did deserve first, because its the biggest religion, its attracting the most new players, and unlike Oneism, its not in the decline.

Oh and *ahem*

Main Entry: war·mon·ger
Pronunciation: 'wor-"m&[ng]-g&r, -"mä[ng]-
Function: noun
: one who urges or attempts to stir up war
- war·mon·ger·ing /-g(&-)ri[ng]/ noun

Gorin just fought a shitton of wars. I don't think there was a turn of peace for me this thread. I started most of them. Only the Nurmaferi and Lengel Invasion weren't of my doing. I f-ing invaded all of my ALLIES and killed their citiziens! I genocided 3 or 4 of the Valin Republics of Veritas. Hell I made them the Valin Republic of Veritas. I made Aryie GO TO WAR. If thats not attempting to stir up war, I dunno what is.

Eventually, Guangfei, Khemri, Veritas, Myocaca, Sintonia, Bugaan, Ardan and myself had to team up to take me down.

I demand my insane bloody fanaticism be recognized better.
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Other than the above, I agree with the awards and give you an A+ for Awesomness.

But you should introduce a storywriter award. North King and Wubba deserve recognition for their awesome stories. And Alex deserves Bronze because he churns out stories about domestic Guangfei stuff faster than America increases its trade deficeit with China.

I don't think they actually all needed to work together to take you down. Myocaca with either Guangfei or Khemri would have been enough.

Two gold and a bronze; I'm surprised. I hardly even did anything of note. But don't worry, Kelios will be more involved in the next thread :)

Oh Swiss get that stick out of your arse and back down ;). They only all attacked at once because of the difficulty in getting alex to do anything :). Otrherwise, it'd have lasted longer if Wubba didn't attack also.

I would like to claim Rozan...

thanks for the awards.

Oh Swiss get that stick out of your arse and back down ;). They only all attacked at once because of the difficulty in getting alex to do anything :). Otrherwise, it'd have lasted longer if Wubba didn't attack also.

I was planning the attack before Chip even came up with the doctrine. I had it all planned out to develope, but everyone began beating me to the final punch. Plus, if I had not betrayed Swiss, I have a Guangfei would have been defeated and Veritas completely wiped out. Sintonia would not have rebelled, and UKKK may have stayed on our side.

The reason why it took so long for an official declaration was i needed drama. Anyway, I expected the war to be a long grueling civil war like the American civil war, but everyone jumped on the band wagon.

Anyway, I expected the war to be a long grueling civil war like the American civil war, but everyone jumped on the band wagon.

similar wording to my orders pertaining to an invasion.

From the Swade Office of Statistics:
Rankings of the Nations or Former Nations of Tellus

Award Rankings, 1st Thread
1. Eldrania: 4G, 1B
2. Veritas: 2G, 3S, 1B
3. Guangfei: 2G, 1S, 1B
3. Lengels: 2G, 1S, 1B
5. Citadel: 2G, 1B
6. Shalamari: 1G, 3S, 2B
7. Gorin: 1G, 2S, 1B
8. Khemri: 1G, 1S, 4B
9. Kehexou: 1G, 1B
10. Gargari: 1G
11. Gerbers: 1S, 1B
12. Gamorrea: 1S
12. Davar: 1S
12. Tristaria: 1S
12. Aney-Tigot/Maugot: 1S
12. Malkavia: 1S
17.Swades: 2B
18. Nurmafer: 1B

Award Rankings, 2nd Thread
1.Veritas: 4G, 2S (From 2nd to 1st)
2. UKKK: 3G, 2S (From 8th and 9th to 2nd)
3. Swade Ascendancy: 2G, 2S, 1B (From 17th to 3rd)
4. Gorin: 2G, 1S, 3B (From 7th to 4th)
5. Citadel: 2G, 1S (From 5th to 5th)
6. Kelios: 2G, 1B (From Unranked to 6th)
7. Myocaca: 1G, 2B (From Unranked to 7th)
8. Lengels: 1G, 1B (From 3rd to 8th)
9. Guangfei: 3S, 2B (From 3rd to 9th)
10. Magland: 1S, 3B (From Unranked to 10th)
11. Adar: 1S, 1B (From Unranked to 11th)
12. Kalmar: 1S (From Unranked to 12th)
12. Gerber: 1S (From 11th to 12th)
12. Gamorrea: 1S (From 12th to 12th)
15. Aryie: 1B (From Unranked to 15th)
15. Tir Tairngire: 1B (From Unranked to 15th)
15. Ikki: 1B (From Unranked to 15th)

Combined Rankings:
1. Veritas: 6G, 5S, 1B
2. Union of Khemri and Kehexou: 5G, 3S, 5B
3. Citadel: 4G, 1S, 1B
4. Eldrania: 4G, 1B
5. Gorin: 3G, 3S, 4B
6. Lengels: 3G, 1S, 2B
7. Guangfei: 2G, 4S, 3B
8. Swade Ascendancy: 2G, 2S, 3B
9. Kelios: 2G, 1B
10. Shalamari: 1G, 3S, 2B
11. Myocaca: 1G, 2B
12. Gargari: 1G
13. Gerbers: 2S, 1B
14. Gamorrea: 2S
15. Magland: 1S, 3B
16. Adar: 1S, 1B
17. Davar: 1S
17. Tristaria: 1S
17. Aney-Tigot/Maugot: 1S
17. Malkavia: 1S
17. Kalmar: 1S
22. Nurmafer: 1B
22. Aryie: 1B
22. Tir Tairngire: 1B
22. Ikki: 1B

Good job, Swiss. Interesting... *machinates*

Somewhere during history, 500 mercenaries came by. They were starving, and in need of shelter. At first, the Council of Five refused to give them hospitality due to their unusual form. Their appearance is so terrifying that one cannot describe. Most people thought that they were mutants. Some thought they were aliens. But soon, the Council of Five found use in them. Although they were horrifying, the mercenaries were extraordinary strong. Wielding spears a piece, they show no mercy to their opponents. The mercenaries became the elite soldiers of Fwiglo in exchange for the country’s hospitality. As the elite soldiers, they were named Fyraes.

I guess this should be my UUs :P
description should be like that right??

I demand the promised new thread!!!

you'll be changing the military as well right?
You mean multiply every infantry stat by five?
Change everything, the economy as well!
I'll change what I want.
I would like to claim Rozan...
Welcome!
From the Swade Office of Statistics:
Rankings of the Nations or Former Nations of Tellus

Award Rankings, 1st Thread
1. Eldrania: 4G, 1B
2. Veritas: 2G, 3S, 1B
3. Guangfei: 2G, 1S, 1B
3. Lengels: 2G, 1S, 1B
5. Citadel: 2G, 1B
6. Shalamari: 1G, 3S, 2B
7. Gorin: 1G, 2S, 1B
8. Khemri: 1G, 1S, 4B
9. Kehexou: 1G, 1B
10. Gargari: 1G
11. Gerbers: 1S, 1B
12. Gamorrea: 1S
12. Davar: 1S
12. Tristaria: 1S
12. Aney-Tigot/Maugot: 1S
12. Malkavia: 1S
17.Swades: 2B
18. Nurmafer: 1B

Award Rankings, 2nd Thread
1.Veritas: 4G, 2S (From 2nd to 1st)
2. UKKK: 3G, 2S (From 8th and 9th to 2nd)
3. Swade Ascendancy: 2G, 2S, 1B (From 17th to 3rd)
4. Gorin: 2G, 1S, 3B (From 7th to 4th)
5. Citadel: 2G, 1S (From 5th to 5th)
6. Kelios: 2G, 1B (From Unranked to 6th)
7. Myocaca: 1G, 2B (From Unranked to 7th)
8. Lengels: 1G, 1B (From 3rd to 8th)
9. Guangfei: 3S, 2B (From 3rd to 9th)
10. Magland: 1S, 3B (From Unranked to 10th)
11. Adar: 1S, 1B (From Unranked to 11th)
12. Kalmar: 1S (From Unranked to 12th)
12. Gerber: 1S (From 11th to 12th)
12. Gamorrea: 1S (From 12th to 12th)
15. Aryie: 1B (From Unranked to 15th)
15. Tir Tairngire: 1B (From Unranked to 15th)
15. Ikki: 1B (From Unranked to 15th)

Combined Rankings:
1. Veritas: 6G, 5S, 1B
2. Union of Khemri and Kehexou: 5G, 3S, 5B
3. Citadel: 4G, 1S, 1B
4. Eldrania: 4G, 1B
5. Gorin: 3G, 3S, 4B
6. Lengels: 3G, 1S, 2B
7. Guangfei: 2G, 4S, 3B
8. Swade Ascendancy: 2G, 2S, 3B
9. Kelios: 2G, 1B
10. Shalamari: 1G, 3S, 2B
11. Myocaca: 1G, 2B
12. Gargari: 1G
13. Gerbers: 2S, 1B
14. Gamorrea: 2S
15. Magland: 1S, 3B
16. Adar: 1S, 1B
17. Davar: 1S
17. Tristaria: 1S
17. Aney-Tigot/Maugot: 1S
17. Malkavia: 1S
17. Kalmar: 1S
22. Nurmafer: 1B
22. Aryie: 1B
22. Tir Tairngire: 1B
22. Ikki: 1B
This includes the negative awards too. :p
Somewhere during history, 500 mercenaries came by. They were starving, and in need of shelter. At first, the Council of Five refused to give them hospitality due to their unusual form. Their appearance is so terrifying that one cannot describe. Most people thought that they were mutants. Some thought they were aliens. But soon, the Council of Five found use in them. Although they were horrifying, the mercenaries were extraordinary strong. Wielding spears a piece, they show no mercy to their opponents. The mercenaries became the elite soldiers of Fwiglo in exchange for the country’s hospitality. As the elite soldiers, they were named Fyraes.

I guess this should be my UUs :P
description should be like that right??Sure, that'll work.

What exactly do they look like?

What exactly do they look like?
My guess would be like Swade who had been walking through barbaric lands for a year;)

When is the new thread going to be up?

Some time this weekend.

:eek: I'm still among the top ten...

What exactly do they look like?

Lets just say "monster" :P or you can describe what they look like.. i dont care :P

Lets just say "monster" :P or you can describe what they look like.. i dont care :P

Edit: oops i forgot to tell you that i made a mistake on my stats :(, its Trinilism not Bladeism :P.... you'll change that would you??

No. It cannot be changed:scan:

ok fine swiss :P ill keep it at Bladeism just to make you happy :P

Edit: Do have to make stories about cities in order to have cultural economic or religious economic?? or do we just say it to be religious economic center and etc ..

You mean multiply every infantry stat by five?



I mean changing it from Swordsmen + Spearmen etc into just thousands.

No, I'm keeping that.

@Foozicaba- I'll split your nation 50/50. Given your location, you really should be Trinlinist, but we can say that a Bladeist preacher came along early in your nation's history (IE: Now) and converted a bunch of people

No, I'm keeping that.

@Foozicaba- I'll split your nation 50/50. Given your location, you really should be Trinlinist, but we can say that a Bladeist preacher came along early in your nation's history (IE: Now) and converted a bunch of people

woot! so are you going to add my UUs in the stats??

You haven't built any yet. So they're not in the stats.

You haven't built any yet. So they're not in the stats.

Oh ok.... do you know how much they cost??

1 EP. They're strong and powerful, but lightly armoured (which will reduce their price).

1 EP. They're strong and powerful, but lightly armoured (which will reduce their price).

kool :p , im going to change my orders then :p

Edit: Do have to make stories about cities in order to have cultural economic or religious economic?? or do we just say it to be religious economic center and etc ..

Monetary Investment+Stories can a specialty city make

Or you can start a project that would make a specialty city.

I.E. Kapital and Unity(+My Capital becoming a Religious Center, +All my Population becomeing Bladeist)

Thats actually a really good project to do. I reccomend it:)

But what's the justification for it making a religious center (a city on par with Rome, Jerusalem or Mecca) and converting a bunch of people from another developed religion?

But what's the justification for it making a religious center (a city on par with Rome, Jerusalem or Mecca) and converting a bunch of people from another developed religion?

Thats for Foozbica to decide, i'm just giving ideas.

ill think about it swiss :p

How many power does my UUs actually have??

Well, they're armed with your best weapons, are strong, but lightly armoured.

They're better against some types of unit than others.

13. Gerbers: 2S, 1B

13th place isn't so bad for such a little and poorly-ran nation. And most of these awards were sadomasochistic (i.e. for "abusing" and being "abused" in return); the moral is that if you can't afford to be very good, you can still get a pretty good place in history by being very evil. ;)

Well, the rankings is more of historical significance or effect on the world. Any of the awards signify you effected history in someway, enough to be mentioned and Awarded.

Thats why Ardan didn't win any awards;)

Whatever, that is pretty much what I meant.

Who needs awards other than you insecure people?. Thats why, unlike the petty Swades, Ardan still exists ;).

Blaze of Glory>Meaningless Survival as a Valin Puppet

Hah. Swiss you still continue to amaze me to this day. Do you ever have a clue about what you're talking about- ever? *sigh* I'll leave it at that and walk away with an evil smile on face :evil:.

Hah. Swiss you still continue to amaze me to this day. Do you ever have a clue about what you're talking about- ever? *sigh* I'll leave it at that and walk away with an evil smile on face :evil:.
Lies.


Everyone knows a puppet cannot smile:p

Who needs awards other than you insecure people?. Thats why, unlike the petty Swades, Ardan still exists ;).
So does the Citadel, I'd point out...

And ~Darkening~, NOW do you want to admit you really didn't know what was going on?

Light, stop verbally attacking each other!

By Royal Proclamation, it is decreed that a new thread shouldeth be made.

That is all.

Eh, JD please. You know very well what I'm talking about. Seriously, other than Khermi, who could have done it?