From: New Veritas
To: Guangfei

We are willing to end this war. All that we began it for was the cession of Valfei, and look at the ruin war has brought. Cede us Valfei (for which we will pay two economic points) and allow Stratikrator Vandrios to withdraw, and such a peace will be attained.

To New Veritas
From Guangfei

You are in no place to make any demands of Guangfei. You destroyed our capitol, slaughtered her people and laid waste to the territories of Guangfei. You began this war, and you demand territory. There will no peace with New Veritas if she demands territory. A white peace with perhaps recompensation for Guangfei. If not, the Third Exodus should begin.

OOC: Excellent quality of update as always iggy, though I would like to ask, well when you get back, on putting up casualties for the fall of Guanzhong :)

To: New Veritas
From: The Swade Ascendancy

Fighting a multi front war is leaving you deveastated. Allow Sintonia to Exist as a soverign state with the lands it claimed before you invaded it, and the Bladeists shall leave you be to duke it out with Guangfei.

OOC: How lovely of you swiss :p, I can sense the great trust among us.

To New Veritas
From Guangfei

If you withdraw from Guangfei and withdraw all claims to Guangfei territory and pay recompensation, in essence, the White peace which you rejected, we are willing for peace ;)

EDIT: And Valfei doesn't exist.

I wasnt supposed to invade that citadel outpost, just send six guys over their and tell them to bugger off and accuse them of lots of crap.
not start a seige or anything.

Edit: I know iggy aint here, I just need to make it clear to japa dude before he decides to kill me or somthing.

I just need to make it clear to japa dude before he decides to kill me or somthing.
OOC: You really think I'd kill you? :crazyeye:

I'll do diplo and stuff in a few weeks... don't see much point now.

It looks like people are avoiding posting in this thread, due to the month-long break or whatever. That is really good, actually. :) I won't, as I have a whole lot of stories in mind.

Geography of the Yathanai islands, and the Brilliant Dawn

The Yathanai islands are a series of fertile islands in the middle of a vast ocean. They are densely forested, and still retain much pristine nation due to the primitive peoples inhabiting them being reverent of nature. The islands are also characterized by rocky mountains jutting out at their centers, many of them volcanic in nature. There are only a handful of active volcanos at the moment, but the thermal activity is easily proved by the many hot springs found throughout the archipelago.

The flora of Yathanai is, as expected due to its extreme isolation, unique. As is its fauna, although the plant life has seen more radical paths of evolution. Some of the most interesting plants (at least in the eyes of a Citadeler) are the "floop" and the "mistblossoms". The floops are large, green fungi thriving around hot springs and other humid hotspots. Mistblossoms are found in a vast range of colors from dark blue to crimson to pale yellow. These flowers give a sweet scent, and have a narcotic effect. It's often smoked by the natives, or crushed to produce perfumes and incense.

The beasts of Yathanai are not as varied as the plant life, but just as exotic. There are large boars called "toxons" which are found both wild and domesticated. A large, flightless bird known as "qualla" is found on the largest isle, which serves as both pack animal and fast mount. The toxons are quite docile - except for when they form a stampede in the mating season - and are often seen grazing in the forests. The quallas are taken by the natives up in the higher plains to graze in the summers, where the only open steppes found in Yathanai provide ample food stocks and large spaces to roam. The quallas are known for being tireless runners and stout pack animals, and are greatly cherished by the Yathai.

The coastline of the Yathanai islands are for the most part rocky and jagged, making the few beaches key locations for communacation and trade between the isles. These ports also serve as harbors for fishing ships, and almost all of them house at least one small fishing community. Not surprisingly, these harbor ports also serve as spiritual centers, and many shrines to the many lesser spirits are found here. Now, with the introduction of Mantea, the shrines have all been furnished with two altars instead of a host of totems.

It is important to note that the people of Yathai have never settled in large communities, and with good reason. There was an inherent lack of knowledge about agriculture and the tending of crop fields. The tribes were all hunter gatherers of some sort, either relying on animal husbandry or the bounties of the sea. This was changed after Viski Lasi discovered that the Yathanai islands did indeed have a type of crop suitable for agriculture. It was a plant called "rice" (ooc: yeah, I'm lazy) and provided great harvests even on small fields. The difficulties were the intense care it needed, and the intricate water systems required to maintain ideal conditions for the crops. This was all strange and new for the Yathanai, but the know-how was slowly built up with every passing year.

With the fledging agriculture, as well as a conjoining common religion, the Yathanai embarked on a daring new development: the first city. Viskas was a bustling community of almost ten thousand inhabitants - easily outsizing the largest tribe prior to the Brilliant Dawn (as the arrival of Viski Lasi would be remembered). The city was centered around the foundations of the new temple being built in honor of Mantea and the twin goddesses. Around were the beginnings of a thriving city, all lined up with streets and plazas based on Viski Lasi's instructions. As he had seen and studied the many ancient cities of Veritas of old, he knew enough about city planning to make Viskas not merely a rabble of wooden shacks.

Stone was quarried from the mountains to the temple, and also to the large harbor of Viskas. Countless boats came in and out of the bay that shielded the waters bordering the city and its temple, but they were all dwarfed by the proper ships being built in the docks of the city. These were the product of the most valuable of Viski Lasi's teachings to the Yathai. Where all of his other lessons had been sketchy and based on what a commoner knew about architecture and engineering, he knew everything about seamanship and shipyards. He drew out plans for both traditional galleys and smaller river boats, as well as more complex drawings of Triremes and Bimarines. All these were carefully stored after his death, but Viski Lasi put most effort in developing a type of vessel suited for the seas around Yathanai.

What he ended up with was a design of smaller ships propelled with both sails and oars. Up to a hundred spans long, and thirty wide, these ships ride low and shallow in the water. Ideal for landing on beaches and able to avoid the many rocky shallows, it was the perfect design for the islands. The hull was composed of overlapping boards of wood, joined together with plugs of wood. (ooc: basic viking longships, go figure.) These ships have revolutionized trade and travel between the islands, greatly expanding Mantea and the realm of Viski Lasi.


Enough for this time, I suppose. Will write more about the succession of the Divine Throne later. ;)

OOC: The Dragon Throne sues the Divine Throne for copyright infringements ;)

Guangfei requests that New Veritas respond. :)

The Dragon Throne is currently destroyed, or at least in the hands of New Veritas. :p

The Dragon Throne is in an undisclosed location thank you very much :p The Dragon Throne isn't really a Throne, but a term applied to the Emperor (Or Empress if a woman ever rules Guangfei which is quite likely)

New Veritas doesn't have a 800k+ population willing to die for their country ;)

Oh, so you were referring to the princeling? Alas, I fear he has no knowledge whatsoever of Viski Lasi (of this age) or the Yathanai islands. Please try again! :)

The Beginning of a Dynasty

Viski Lasi had three goals with his life on the Divine Throne. First was the founding of the New Church, second was the lessons of civilization which he gave to the Yathai. The last was the continuation of the divine bloodline. Both the first and the second were achieved, but the last one remained. It was a matter not easily solved, as he was the only one of his kind. If he was to have descendants, he would naturally have to choose a mate from among the natives.

A number of things made him believe this was not as simple as chosing at random. First of all, the pripary reason he was believed to be the Steward of the Gods was due to his appearance. Being a Gorimari, he had dark skin and red hair - a combination never seen among the Yathai who were generally bronze-skinned and had raven black hair. He was also of a much taller and larger build than most Yathai. As he was quite different from his followers, he deemed it wise to seek out the more unique among them as well.

One thing in particular that caught Viski Lasi's interest was the eyes. Some of the Yathai had grey eyes, where most had brown. A tiny percentage also had green eyes, like his. Those with green eyes also had a tendency for slightly lighter hair color, ranging from auburn to maroon, greatly resembling that of Viski Lasi. These variations were actually the last remnants of a different people arriving the Yathanai islands many centuries ago, who were assimilated and made indistinguishable from the Yathai.

When it was declared that the Godsent was looking for a mate, all unmarried women of proper age were summoned. Of these, the ones with green eyes were selected and sent to Viskas for an audition. About fifty were gathered and all of them housed in the palace harem newly constructed. Then, a ceremony began. The twin goddesses themselves would choose the one to carry the descendants of their Steward. The ceremony consisted of a series of tests, and only one of them would remain. Literally.

It was a cruel trial. First, the candidates went through a test of the mind. Here, they had to answer to riddles and provide solutions for dilemmas. Those who did not impress in this test were sent away to practice. If they failed on the next attempt, they were again sent to practice. If they failed on the third attempt, they were sentenced to death. Only thirty of the fifty survived the first trial.

The second trial was a test of the heart. Here, the candidates were sent through a course where they had to show courage and strength of will. Those who failed this trial were given a second chance. Regardless of success of failure, all of the candidates were sent through a second course which was even harsher and more extreme than the first one. Many died in the attempt, but more were sentenced to death due to failure. Only twelve survived the second trial.

The last trial was a test of the body. It was, put simply, a death tournament between the candidates. Given one obsidian blade each, the contestants battled eachother one on one in front of the palace. At last, after three rounds, there were only three left. This presented no problems, as the remaining three naturally had to fight eachother all at once. Of the fifty, there were only three left - and there could be only one...

EDIT: I kinda forgot to tell, but the Yathai are rather warlike, with bloody conflicts between the tribes quite commonplace. Even women are expected to defend the village when attacked, and it's not so surprising to see female tribe chiefs. This means Yathai society is remarkably egalitarian, and family lines are traced through the women. Most Yathai identify themselves as "(name), son/daughter of (mother's name)".

From: New Veritas
To: Guangfei

We are willing to agree to a white peace, on two conditions.

The first being that Stratikrator Vandrios and his army be given leave to withdraw peacefully from Guangfei

The second being that the Church of the One is tolerated within Guangfei, independent of state control from New Veritas, or persecution from Guangfei We realize that the Way of the One is a political creation of the Dragon Throne, and are willing to see it peacefully tolerated alongside the Church.

Besides these minor notes, the pre-war status quo will be accepted.

thats not white peace, that is veritas peace

To: New Veritas
From: Swade Ascendancy

And what of our no strings attached peace proposal. That you only must recognize an independent Sintonia at the borders it had.

From: New Veritas
To: Guangfei

We are willing to agree to a white peace, on two conditions.

The first being that Stratikrator Vandrios and his army be given leave to withdraw peacefully from Guangfei

The second being that the Church of the One is tolerated within Guangfei, independent of state control from New Veritas, or persecution from Guangfei We realize that the Way of the One is a political creation of the Dragon Throne, and are willing to see it peacefully tolerated alongside the Church.

Besides these minor notes, the pre-war status quo will be accepted.

To New Veritas
From Guangfei

First of all, the Way of the One is in no way affiliated with the Dragon Throne and is not under the control or influence of the Emperors/Empresses. The Church of the One by definition is under the state control of the New Veritasian Orthodox Church. Though if they agree to formally seperate from the Veritasian Oneists Church they will be left in peace. The Guangfei Empire does not persecute religious minorities as long as they do not disturb the peace.

Secondly, if New Veritas would like to make a few notes Guangfei would like to ask for recompensation from Veritas for the total some of 2 EP in exchange for both allowing Vandrios to leave and to rebuild Guanzhong. And before we forget, there will be no New Veritasian actions, by the government or by her private citizens in Shangei. The Empire of course is willing to do the same.

Besides these minor notes, the pre-war political boundaries will be accepted.

Fine, allow us to remove our previous offer, due to the offended sensibilities of your prickly diplomatic corps, and accept your white peace, with no added conditions. Vandrios will withdraw, and the pre-war borders will be accepted.

@Swissempire: We will talk.

:bump: don't want this to be lost in all the papers, its been two weeks

Don't do that again.

Warned.

A cold breeze rustled the white robes that clad Frie, the Missionary, he looked the the stars, and a chill came over his spine.

"It is time. He is back"

And white comet struck across the sky. It was to be the best of times, it was to be the worst of times.

Da Iggsta iz Bizzack!

Iggy gazed up at the large projection on the wall.

"I dunno Pikt. It looks a bit too gangsta for me."

"Fine, fine... does a reintroduction matter much anyway?"

"Not really. But you are writing one anyway."

"Yes."

"Despite the fact that you have stats to do."

"Yep."

Pikt rolled his eyes.

"Anyway, we've made good progress in your absence. The damage to our command nexus from the attack by NAO, the Leperchauns and the Pandas has been largely repaired, and we've been fine-tuning the new rules. And coming up with new ideas for another NES, should you lose interes-"

"Silence! LINESII will not die from a loss of interest!"

"Er, yeah... anyway, we've also set up a higher level force field... NAO is weakening anyway, now that Thlayli is modding."

"Excellent." Iggy rubbed his hands together.

"So, should we reactivate the system?"

"Yes."

Human and penguin turned around to face a huge computer terminal. Both extended hand and flipper to imprints in the side. Iggy struggled to fit his hand into a scanner shaped like a flipper, but succeeded after some shoving.

A green light lit up. A humming sound began. More lights sparked on.

"System restart 20... 50... 80 percent..."

A blinding light shot from the top of the computer bank, arcing around through a system of mirrors and striking all of the other radially located systems, activating them as well.

Pikt gazed at a gauge through his goggles, then looked up at Iggy.

"100 percent functioning capabilities. The system is active once again!"

K I'm ready to play.

Welcome back Iggy!!

Very nice entry :)

mr mod sire :salute: welcome back

when will stats be ready?

Layta. Let the diplo and such stuff resume.

I've decided to keep military types, but I'm chucking population for size (which will function the same). I will also add conscription rules.

To: Veritas
From: The Swade Ascendancy

Shall we resume peace negotiations?

I don't even remember what diplo was going or my goals :). I will jump back into once a update gets going.

yey, got back from trick or treating with anice surprise!!!

To: New Veritas
From: Myocaca

Will you sue for peace. Our invasion of your colony was to stop imperialistic fiends from entering holy land.

OOC: HAIL THE GREAT IGGY! :D :D :D The below is just useless diplo to assure my sense of paranoia thy ;)

To New Veritas
From Guangfei

While we have agreed to allow Stratikrator Vandrios and his army to withdraw from the Guanzhong region, we must insist that his army do not cross the Fei river at any point. (OOC: It's that river that pretty much divides northern Guangfei starting at the foot of the Dadong mountains) It's not as if the Emperor does not trust the honor of the Valin race, simply that he understands people in terrible situation may do terrible things.

In addition, as for the army's peaceful withdrawal, we do hope not a head of cattle a measure of grain, or any other items be stolen by Valin troops.

i would start diplo again but considering i'm a tiny little new world nation, i doubt there much to do.

Welcome, back, Iggy.

To: Tsaya
From: Kelios

Join with us in the great Union of Kelios. It will happen even if you try to stop it.

Anyone need diplo from me? Otherwise, don't think I have any ATM.

Other than condemning wars and things like that, of course. :p

"Silence! LINESII will not die from a loss of interest!"


I highly doubt this will ever die. So much is going on right now that my head is spinning ;]. Orders as soon as I can figure out what in the world I'm doing.

Welcome back ;].

I even have plans for a space continuation of this NES once we reach that age...

Nice to see all you guys (and girl) too.

I think you've told us that already iggy ;)

Oh yes, and a few questions I never remember to ask you. How many suns, moons and other visible heavenly objects are in the night sky? :confused:

plus, when will u get around to stats?

:lol: Iggy is back for 10 minutes and questions when stats will be done are already being asked

Is that spam I smell?

From: New Veritas
To: Myocaca, Swade Ascendency

We are currently working on a peace plan acceptable to all sides, and will present it to your emissaries within the month.

From: New Veritas
To: Guangfei

We agree to your terms.

OOC: NAO will return, in a new form, greater than ever before...

Is that spam I smell?
OOC: I would hope not, Spam doesn't smell very good

IC: To: Veritas
From: Swade Ascendancy

okay

I would hope not either. Because a moderator smelling spam = thread closure. ;)

I would hope not either. Because a moderator smelling spam = thread closure. ;)
/me is SO tempted to say he who smelt it dealt it here

IC: From: Swade Ascendancy
To: Sintonia

Fret not Comrades, your soverignity shall be kept, your safety garunteed.

Iggy, i just noticed, you have my capital at Krenel, which is an Emorian city, when it should be at Swade, where it has always been and where the Necropolis is.

I rushed the map. Sorry.

@alex994- There is one moon, one wanderer half as large and bright as the moon which follows a totally different pattern, and 6 other planets of varying brightnesses. 3 of these are easily visible with the naked eye.

Stats will be done sometime this week.

Iggy just to remind you forgot to give me a religious city on the map. Also my new project should be now in the works.

When will order be due?

Welcome, back, Iggy.

To: Tsaya
From: Kelios

Join with us in the great Union of Kelios. It will happen even if you try to stop it.
Idiots. Why should we unite with your state? what benefit would it bring to our superior people?
No we shall not unite, but your heads shall become our soldier's wall statues.

Query to Iggy; what sort of effect is my monpoly over Silk doing?

@Cleric- I'm not sure, whenever I've finished stats I guess. And I'll fix that for the next update. Assume you have the center.

@Kal- Not too much yet, not quite an economy point worth of profits yet. But if you aggressively marketed the stuff, it may give you an eco center or two.

@Kal- Not too much yet, not quite an economy point worth of profits yet. But if you aggressively marketed the stuff, it may give you an eco center or two.

Carrier pigeon-marketers! Mhmm I think I have a couple of tricks up my sleave with regards to that :p.

To: Ozkir
From: Myocaca

You have aided Bladeism well in your deeds. I now think it nescessary for your sovereignty to be recognized

Dont even remember what I was doing

Being isolationist, rewriting history, being on bad terms with the Citadel.

i think i actually sent orders before you left iggy could you tell me if i did?

I don't have orders for this next update from you.

did I send orders?

Question did I my purchase of Gorinese lands go through or did I forget again?

I believe you forgot. The map is accurate regarding your border with Gorin, regardless.

we have to send orders already?!?!

I think he was referring to the update that was done prior to his vacation ken. We can hardly send orders because something isn't done yet.

No, I'm not even done the stats yet.

Rule Edits

Changed Orders Section. If you must send more than one PM of orders, please put the basic movements and actions in the first PM, then put smaller references (IE: How things are to be done). This will make my updating easier, and allow you to get the update and stats faster. We both win!

Changing Population from a numerical stat to a leveled stat.

Possible Changes

Merge Confidence and Culture into one stat to show the support of your people to your nation, like LINESI had.

you finished stats?

Are we waiting for an update? or has it already been? I'm lost LOST!

no he is at exulisism

Egh. My gov't should be limited autocracy, and the leader Bishop Jeal or something.

so he did stats? so why tsaya stats havn't changed at all? (or did they? and their just not having me as leader?)

He's only at Exilsum (look under the post and you'll find the line saying I'M HERE)

Yay, my stats have been updated! That's a good thing about being high in the alphabet.

A few things:

-I should have 1000 more UU and 10 more ships.
-I ordered more exploration north and south. Why didn't that work?
-Is the rule about only being able to invest one point/turn in wonders new?

New- Moon on Monday, and we'll Firedance through the night, I stayed the...

Ahem. Excuse me.

Stats aren't finished yet.

I'll look into your problems. I may have missed something. And the rule is not new about project spending.

Edit: I looked at the wrong order set. You sent a correction, I used the original by accident.

And I rushed the map (as you can see) so I neglected to put in new explorations. IC reason: Unusually cold weather caused some icepack.

yeah sorry about that, didn't saw the I'm here message, lol

AWW F$$#$%#^@#$!!!@!@

Stupid cancel button!

All that time wasted!!!!

FR!$#!$%!^

Lost a bunch of stats. I'll redo them with extreme bitterness.

EDIT:

ROFL!

I just saved the stats, then looked at a non-refreshed version of the first page.

No worries, stats are being updated.

:p So silly...

Hahahahahahahahahahahah. Good to hear its all right ;)

Still... Confucius say "Use Word" :p

I really should... I do now with writing the updates.

Anyway, I'm working to finish off the PC stats (haven't done update events yet). Then I have to leave for dinner and band, and can finish off later tonight or tomorrow.

OOC: You know, I meant only to buy 10 ballistas :confused: Must have been a typo in my orders I guess :(

And the stats for Trinlin, is it necessary to well update them? Couldn't you just erase them?

just to let u know, the massive statues in Venustas are of Feanor and Fasra the first two kings of Myocaca, and once finished should turn Venustas back to a cultural center

There are still New Eldists in Ikki? :eek: That's got to take dedication...

OOC: You know, I meant only to buy 10 ballistas Must have been a typo in my orders I guess
1 point buys 10 ballistae. You spent 2.

@Wubba- Thanks.

@JD- I haven't done update events yet, some may leave.

1 point buys 10 ballistae. You spent 2.

@Wubba- Thanks.

@JD- I haven't done update events yet, some may leave.
But the update says Ikki New Eldists flood into the Citadel to escape their persecution, bringing away many of Ikki’s best minds with them.
(Ikki’s New Eldist Population joins the Citadel)
Sounds like they're all leaving...

There are still New Eldists in Ikki? :eek: That's got to take dedication...

According to my last set of orders (which may or may not have been followed) the only persecution of New Eldists anymore is that everyone (not just New Eldists) has to join a regional militia group or pay for a substitute. So it doesn't really require dedication, just a comfortable wealth (or the abandonment of their values).

Well then, that's an update event and it will happen. I haven't read the update for a month, keep in mind.

Nation stats are finished now. I just have to do fluff stats.

Can you rename my wonder Halls of Memoria.

I need diplo off Citadel Japo-dude...

1 point buys 10 ballistaei can build these correct?

1 point buys 10 ballistae. You spent 2.

Erm. where did the other eco point go then? :mischief:

And where are well... the stats for the massive Valin army based in Guanzhong? I mean, the whole Veritasian army isn't as large... ;)

The Great Libraries of Masra- +1 free education level, Spreads Masra, +1 Culture<<<is that done already?? or did you just forget to put how long it will take and the progression so far :p

Ironman- Yes
alex and Ken- Will fix.

Wow. I'm so special I'm listed twice :}

Kelios's economy should be 4-2/2 (I think that's two updates you've missed it; just do it now instead of waiting, and update it in the stats).

Priest Javann demands that Aryie gets its +1 culture! :D

Fixing things now.

question did i completely rebuild gates of blade, so will I have a cultural center next turn?

I demand that my stats appear on the frontpage! :p

I'll put 'em up later tonight- having my belated Bday party today.

Congrats. :)

@Emu: What diplomacy?

Do I ever got a chance to win :p..

Are there story bonuses?

Declaration of Treachery

Once again the blastemphous Norvalin have crossed the line, attempting to claim a soverign Ardan city for their own. Long have we known of the treachery of our northern neighbors, and we've come to terms with their representitives for a deemable peace. Norvalin shall not pose another threat to us and they shall live out the rest of their lives attempting to correct their sins. Their treachery is just one of a long list of examples- we have come to expect this from these people and as such prevautionive messures have been enacted.

But there is one treachery that can not ever be forgiven. From the beginning Nontin was welcomed with open arms by the gracious Priests. We brought them out of ignorance and taught them the ways of Pire. We sheltered them from the vengeful Norvalin from the north. We traded freely with them and considered them brothers.

But strong evidence has now reached our hands that Nontin- in exchange for Arcadian lands- agreed with the Norvalin to attack us. This cannot be allowed. When confronted with this evidence, the Nontin seemed to believe silence was their best option.

Therefore it is hereby declared that the state of Nontin shall no longer exist. The people inhabiting the region have one week to do either of the following: turn your government over to Arcadian officials immediatly and accept a position as an province with the Union or face war, destruction fo their lands, and division among the other provinces of Ardan.

If possible Iggy, if you could send me a pm with either a formal response from the people or confirming silence, I'd be appreciative.

Are there story bonuses?

Story bonuses aren't something that affects stat-wise but more like something that makes the mod more favorable to your nation.

Today, class, we begin to look at the famous tactician and military writer Rev Turos. His famous work, Most Holy Warfare, helped shape the policies of the Swade Military and gives us insite into their organization. Here is an excerpt


Most Holy Warfare

....above all things, the Blademaster finds this holy and good. So it is through organization we shall find victory, and it is through victory was find glory.

Section 3: Military

Section 3.1, Command

The Army of the Swade is organized into several Warhosts. Each host is a collection of men lead by a Warlord, Warleader, or Warmaster. It is through these men of power they draw their strength and tactics.

The Warmaster is highest of all positions, he has control over all Warhosts in the Ascendancy. He is the high stratege, and he answers only to the Ascendant Master.

Below the Warmaster are Warleaders, who control specfic area's and theatre's of the Swade Military. They answer directly to the Warmaster, but have a great deal of autonomy.

Below the Warleaders are the Warlords. These leaders are the direct leaders of troops. They lead the Swordsman into battle, and gain glory not for the Ascendancy, but for themselves. They are skilled with Sword and Bow alike.

Class, as you can see, a Warhost is basically what we call armies now. There is a lot of comparisons with the modern day, because many of the current leaders draw from this text.

3.2 The Navy of the Swade

The Navy shall be lead by the Elite, the Optimum Sailors and Commanders, a school called the Moffery. The Moffs shall lead the Navy and assert Bladeist Dominance over the High Seas.

Grand Moff: The Highest of the High, these Moffs are few and far between and there have never been more than 7 at a time. Among the Grand Moffs is the Supreme Moff, who is their utmost leader, but since there is usually only one Grand Moff, he is the De Facto Supreme Moff.

Moffs: Moffs are below the Grand Moffs, and are the bulk of all superiors. With in this lower Moffdom are Moffs, Moff Commanders, Captain Moffs, and Moff Commadores. Singluar Moff is the highest ranking before Grand Moff, Moff Commander control groups of Ships over 10, Moff Commadores control Groups of Ships under 10, and Captain Moffs control the individula ships themselves.

*bell Rings* More tommorrow Class!

When are orders due?

@Emu: What diplomacy?

Im supposed to have an army next to your colony, even though I ordered only a few guys to march over to it and demand you leave.

When are orders due?

I'd ask the same, only my stats are missing. :rolleyes:

@Dark- No response.

Orders due sometime next week, before the next weekend.

OOC: All right, thanks. I hope I can get a story in, but nanowrimo is naturally eating up most of my writing. :)

Why does me project take 11 truns while Kal's takes 7? Is it a matter of development?

Darkening, I can't speak for Nontin, but things between us remain as they were.

Darkening, I can't speak for Nontin, but things between us remain as they were.

OOC: I want asian domestic events AND my PM answered ;)

IC:

His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Ku declares that Guanzhong shall be rebuilt to become the finest modern capitol city in the world. May Heaven Light Our Way.

OOC: I want asian domestic events AND my PM answered ;)



Well, I want several thousand dollars in hard currency. ;) Like I said, I've been really busy this weekend, but I'm doing stats and your events now.

Now, back to IC.

From: New Veritas
To: Guangfei

We wish to clarify the terms of the peace treaty, and will set them down here:

The Treaty of Saenium

Article 1. Hostilities between the Empire of Guangfei and the Republic of New Veritas are ended, without precondition.

Article 2. Stratikrator Vandrios and his army will withdraw from the former city of Guangzhong, and remove his army from Guangfei within six months. His army will not inflict any damage upon the land or the people of Guangfei, under the condition that his army is not harrassed or attacked.

Article 3. New Veritas will renounce support for followers of the Church of the One who carried out acts of violence against Guangfei.

Article 4. Guangfei will renounce support for the Sintonian rebels within the borders of New Veritas.

Are these terms acceptable?

OOC: *coughs about Fei River crossing and etc Guangfei posted in previous diplos*

EDIT: IC:

Guangfei has never professed support towards Sintonia in any way or form unlike New Veritas which has actively supported the Church of the One in Guangfei in her various nefarious schemes against Lao Tzu, the sabotoge of Guanzhong and etc. We do not see the point of renouncing support which was never given.

OOC: *coughs about Fei River crossing and etc Guangfei posted in previous diplos*

Fine, he won't cross south of the Fei river. Nor will his army. Nor will they shoot arrows across the river, etc.

From: Sintonia
What about Qingdao and the 'Valfei' regions? If Guangfei drops out of the war with a poor peace treaty, those lands will soon fall to the Swades and Myocacans.

Do not abandon us! Do not let the cowardly Valins prance into your lands, burn your majestic capital, and leave unscathed!

*****

The people of Nontin are silent, except for fervent denial of this. They will not sign a deal that suggests that they or their government has been acting against their friends in Arcadia/UoA.

@Cleric- Because there is much more economic potential where Khemri is building its project. Exilsium can only have so much economic potential from trade and fishing.

If you can give me some very good reasons why those cities should become economic centers I may shorten your project.

OOC: You know Iggy, I'm starting to think you really like your NPCs :p Which side is Sintonia on exactly? They don't seem to be on the Swade/Myocacan side exactly....

IC:

The Sintonian representative, whether they are legit or not, does make a striking point. Guangfei would ask that New Veritas renounce all her claims on any Guangfei territory notably the Guangfei province of Qingdao which began this war. In addition, we would like 10 heads of cattle from New Veritas to grant as an offering to Minister Ri-Che-Liu.

Of course, there are other minor quibbles but those are irrevalant truely.

The government of New Veritas officially renounces all claims on Guangfei's province of Qingdao, and on all other provinces currently within Guangfei's control.

Very well, in lieu of renouncing support, a declaration that Sintonia is not a sovereign state will suffice. The pandering and desperation of the Sintonian envoy is quite amusing.

As for these cattle, we know little of them, but several aurochs, stronger and superior to your "cattle" in every way, will be presented to the esteemed minister.

what is the deal with Ozkir and Sintonia with my nation, Myocaca?

The people of Nontin are silent, except for fervent denial of this. They will not sign a deal that suggests that they or their government has been acting against their friends in Arcadia/UoA. this have something to do with norvalin asking what was arcadia if they followed thier goverment, sorry just kinda hard to understand everything that's going on because as a "new world" people I didn't much pay attention to my neibors yah let's umm... go with that.

Sintonia is Bladeist, and supported by the Bladeist States.

@alex- If I disliked them, they wouldn't survive.

The people of Nontin are silent, except for fervent denial of this. They will not sign a deal that suggests that they or their government has been acting against their friends in Arcadia/UoA.

Shall I present the hard truth? Anyways, such a resilent stance from a people who are really nothing more than a smaller extension of my own (they've adopted the same faith, Arcadian culture is much more present, Arcadian influences are obviously much more devolped).

this have something to do with norvalin asking what was arcadia if they followed thier goverment, sorry just kinda hard to understand everything that's going on because as a "new world" people I didn't much pay attention to my neibors yah let's umm... go with that.

Egh no. it has everything to do with the fact you plotted with Imago to fight against me even through I promised you peace. Anyways IC:

Judging by the resilint stance of the betrayers, it is hereby declared that Nontin shall no longer exist. It is declared that until a time they come to their senses, all Nontins presnt in Ardan lands will be seized and held under jurisidiction. It is also hereby declared that all trade vessels entering Nontin waters will be seized immediatly and confisated. If you do not wish for this to happen, stay away.

OOC: Thlayli unless I get confirmation from imgao, all deals are off. Also note that I will be prepared if you even try anything.

From the Gorinese Empire
To Coroyodon

We would advise you not to stray to far from the path of Dula to much brothers.

OCC: I have one question about stats. It says Masra and Nordism (98%), Masra (2%). What does it mean by this? Does it mean that people worship both and then 2% just worship one? I am probably way off but that explains why I am confused :)

Could you just include them as seperate percentages so it is easier for me to interpert?

I could have sworn I put in the land purchase. I remembered the road which was more for Gorin then me. Oh well I can just attempt to purchase the land for the third time from Gorin :). Please don't forget Kenthrau :). I ask everytime and I am the one forgetting :(

From Croyodon
To Gorinese Empire

We will tolerate both religion as they are both essential to our survival. The monarch however remains committed to Dula and promises not stray from his path.

From the Gorinese EMpire
To Croyodon

As long as your king(or do you call him something different) is committed to Dula and his greatness (dula is a male god :p ), then the Lord Kaiser is pleased.

OCC: Yes, I was rereading religion descriptions quickly scanning them. I should have paided attention to the husband of the Red Lady part :)

Anyway I am editing my post

@Farow- It means that 98 percent follow both faiths, and 2 percent follow only one and reject the other. I won't change the system though, I want my percentages to add up to 100, not 198.

OCC: Well they don't need to add up to 198% :). I mean like saying 58% worship Nordism and 40% dualism but it is not big issue because I can live with it either way.

Orders due sometime next week, before the next weekend.

I'll send orders as soon as I get an answer from my PM I sent you last week. And since I figure you deleted it already, I sent the question again to you three seconds ago.

My point is that some follow BOTH faiths at the SAME TIME. It can't be shown another way.

Egh no. it has everything to do with the fact you plotted with Imago to fight against me even through I promised you peace. Anyways IC

sure whatever yes the first nes i've ever played and i'm secretly plotting to destroy my neibor a few turns after my nations founding this makes so much sense.

IC

To all I have contact with:
From: Nontin
The Union of Ardan wishes to destroy my nation, they wish to create an empire here in the lands my people have traveled for time imemmorial I call for aid against these people they wish for nothing but to destroy us.

OOC: Wubba the tv show your uu is from is awsome.

sure whatever yes the first nes i've ever played and i'm secretly plotting to destroy my neibor a few turns after my nations founding this makes so much sense.

Actually in NESing it makes a lot of sense.

My point exactly- the point of NESing is to betray as many people as you can and get away with it ;].

Anyways, it matters little more about you. You tried and I caught you, and now the Piper is here. I just need something else before I can commence with long, drawn out orders designed to drive Iggy insane.

well i never did that all that happened was Arcadia was threatening norvalin and I stationed troops on the border incase.

Actually in NESing it makes a lot of sense
not in my position they had about 3x the number of soldiers i had

I just need something else before I can commence with long, drawn out orders designed to drive Iggy insane.

In the north, Nontin put up a tremendous defense against the Ardanese hordes, causing horrific casualties. The invaders were totally slaughtered, and everyone in the UoA spontaneously combusted. This was shortly followed by the collapse of all UoA lands into the ocean.I wouldn't drive me insane if I were you.

orders were due? or when are they?

sometime during the week before weekend

the problems tonight made it a double post.

iggy thanx for telling me what i already know about sintonia, but what is the deal with Ozkir?

They're in Swade control, though he may have plans to grant them independence after the war.

iggy thanx for telling me what i already know about sintonia, but what is the deal with Ozkir?
That is for me to know, and for you to find out! *throws smoke bomb and runs away*

*a note floats to the ground*

Independence is a probability, consult Magic 8 Ball.

...remember what happened last time you created new little Bladist states...

Actually i don't. Those records were burned and no longer exist, except the secret copies in the Wilipo Tomb Library, but nobody is supposed to know about that:mischief:

Well, in my defense this one is a lot closer than Sintonia or Svitzerland. And Sintonia is still alive and kicking, and this one will have a border with me!:)

also the mistake made with the bladeist spreading was that the colonies were placed far to distant to be successfully maintained by Swade government and other than Svitzerland, all of them were in direct threat of invasion from oneist nations, Ozkir if given independence will hopefully be completely independent, other than an alliance with the other bladeist states, allowing it to be able to function independently

You seem to forget (or maybe I just haven't mentioned :p) that the people of Ozkir, while Bladist, are complete barbarians.

New Veritas signs the Treaty of Saenium, with the added provisions that the army of the Stratikrator will not move south of the river, and that New Veritas renounces all claims on territory currently held by Guangfei.

We await the signature of Guangfei's ambassador.

Should peace be made with the Guangfei, Sintonia too makes a peace proposal.

Treaty of Paleras

Article 1
New Veritas, Norvalin and Sintonia shall peacefully withdraw their troops from lands not recognized as theirs by this treaty immediately. Neither side's forces shall be harassed as they leave. The lands occupied by opposing sides are not to be damaged.

Article 2
New Veritas and its allies recognize Sintonia as a sovereign state, with the borders shown in the following map.

Article 3
New Veritas and its allies will not expand any further south on the Eastern Coastline of the Exodian Ocean. They may expand inland over the White Mountains if they so wish.

Article 4
Bladists living in New Veritas and Oneists living in Sintonia are to be granted the right to emigrate into the nation of their religion.

Map
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/59597/PEACE.png

*****

If these terms are not accepted, keep in mind that it is we who have the advantage of powerful allies.

New Veritas has repeatedly stated that the rebelling area of Sintonia is not sovereign. In addition, this area was recognized as a province of New Veritas by the Swade Ascendency and her allies, in the peace treaty following the original collapse of Sintonia to the forces of Stratikrator Panteras.

Therefore, the Sintonian rebels have no legal justification to propose a peace treaty.

However, all Sintonians that lay down their arms will be given an official pardon, and even following the pacification of the revolt all citizens in the Province of Sinton are able to peacefully express their opinions through their One-given rights of free religion and elected representatives in the Assemblum. We will have no further say in the matter.

We await your destruction.

We await your destruction.

Get used to disappointment.

Hah! What do you have? Yourself, the Norvalin fools embroiled in their own war, Exilsium perchance?

Behind us stands the glory of the Blademaster and the power of his two great Bladist states, Myocaca and Swade. Perhaps even Khemri would join us. I can imagine they'd enjoy destroying the last bastion of Valin power in the world.

You see my Oneist friends, you have painted yourselves into a corner. You have antagonized those who would help you. Betrayed those who worked with you. Fled before you could feel the weight of foreign occupation. It is a harsh burden, one which we will be quite pleased to see you struggle under.

The Age of the Assembli is reaching its end.

Hah! What do you have? Yourself, the Norvalin fools embroiled in their own war, Exilsium perchance?

Behind us stands the glory of the Blademaster and the power of his two great Bladist states, Myocaca and Swade. Perhaps even Khemri would join us. I can imagine they'd enjoy destroying the last bastion of Valin power in the world.

You see my Oneist friends, you have painted yourselves into a corner. You have antagonized those who would help you. Betrayed those who worked with you. Fled before you could feel the weight of foreign occupation. It is a harsh burden, one which we will be quite pleased to see you struggle under.

The Age of the Assembli is reaching its end.

Anger such as yours is the product of a foolish, irrational mind. If history has taught us anything, it's that a Bladeist shouldn't presume to negotiate with civilized nations.

Now please sit quietly and accept your inevitable fate.

Anger? Hah! No, that is self assurance!

Pray tell, how do you plan to defeat us with your meager resources, numbers, and intelligence?

Anger? Hah! No, that is self assurance!

Pray tell, how do you plan to defeat us with your meager resources, numbers, and intelligence?

Because we are superior to you in all ways. For the One raised us up in the light of Veritas, while placing you foolish ones in the barbaric jungles. The most powerful entity on Tellus is clearly on our side, and the only reason He keeps us from total victory is to allow your arrogance and stupidity to multiply before it is utterly, uncompromisingly wiped out.

If you happen to shiver, you are beginning to feel the eternal cold of an airless void that awaits you.

OOC: I do "Valin" pretty well. ;)

The stats are now 100% finished.

Perhaps we shall meet, in the burning and starving wreak that will be 'Redemption'. I will quite like to see the look on your face.

Perhaps we shall meet, in the burning and starving wreak that will be 'Redemption'. I will quite like to see the look on your face.

As soon as we figure out what a "wreak" is, we'll have to respond to that comment. Perhaps you are referring to the word "wreck," however we wouldn't want enlightened Bladeists to take time away from idolizing their swords to pay attention to proper spelling.

And despite your interesting depiction of Redemption, your cities, when captured, will be treated with the utmost civility. Unlike you barbarians, we don't bring the slaughter of civilians into our wars.

Our apologies. Your utterly confusing and illogical language has an odd system of verbs and nouns.

I give you my congratulations, for being able to conjugate your own verbs correctly.

Our apologies. Your utterly confusing and illogical language has an odd system of verbs and nouns.

I give you my congratulations, for being able to conjugate your own verbs correctly.

Ah, yes, confusing and illogical. Allow us to present a summary of your language.

BURN SMASH KILL SWORDS!!!

From Tsaya
to Kelios:
We give you only one chance to retreat from our homelands or suffer destruction and defeat.

to Sanx:
If Kelios ever defeat us they will look to expand even more. You will be their next target. Would you good people join hands with us in bring the Kelios menace down?


OOC:


Tsaya
Cities: Tsariga, Port Tsariga, Iolar Geimhread, Ean Samhradh
Leader: King Semas/erez87
Religion: Atheism (78%), Divotheism (14%), Alse (8%)
Government: Monarchy
Economy: 2- 2/0
Population: Small
Army: 1500 Spearmen (2.5), 1000 Archers (2)
Navy: 60 Galleys
Education: None
Technology: Bronze Age
Confidence: Neutral
Culture: None
Wonders:
Description: The Tsaya people are a strong and organized New World state. They expanded greatly in their early history, but are now under dire threat by the hand of Kelios.

Tsaya
Cities: Tsariga, Iolar Geimhread, Ean Samhradh
Leader: King Temat/erez87
Religion: Atheism (78%), Divotheism (14%), Alse (8%)
Government: Monarchy
Economy: 3- 3/0
Population: 100 000
Army: 3500 Spearmen (2)
Navy: 60 Galleys
Education: None
Technology: Bronze Age
Confidence: Neutral
Culture: None
Wonders:
Description: The Tsaya people are a strong and organized New World state. They expanded greatly in their early history, but are now under dire threat by the hand of Kelios.


Why my stats appear twice? Which one is the right one?

The most powerful entity on Tellus is clearly on our side, and the only reason He keeps us from total victory is to allow your arrogance and stupidity to multiply before it is utterly, uncompromisingly wiped out.

No, I'm pretty sure I'm not...*delusions of Grandour*

Don't take my word for it, but I think the first one is right. It has your extra city and the reduced number of regions (you lost a region when Kelios invaded).

Oh ok. And I take it you're not going to retreat...
Oh well.. at least it's the first time I will expand after being attacked rather than invading :p

The first one is correct erez.

To: New Veritas

If you are one of those who can't debate, criticize grammar.

To: New Veritas

If you are one of those who can't debate, criticize grammar.

Actually, it was your spelling that we criticized. Again, your lack of intelligence is...telling. However, we will make sure that all Sinton children are properly educated in Valin after your small insurrection is quelled.

Alright. Orders tonight along with a treaty of some sorts :mischief:.

Iggy, why not :evil:- don't make me find a penguin and hold it hostage!

And Imago, despite the way it seems, I don't completly hold a distaste for you. If I had more time I'd join your NES, altrough I extremely dislike your sense of loyalty and the sense of the word "trustability" ;].

Iggy, Mantea is described very clearly through my many stories written prior to the last update. I would make a lst of links for easy reference, but I am currently on one of the crappy PCs supplied by the Army, so I won't. :p Seriously. The keys are so "hard" and difficult that even the simplest post like this takes minutes. :ack:

Oh well SS, you're all by yourself. I don't think anyone else will need to know about your religion for a few centuries anyway. :p

Iggy, why not - don't make me find a penguin and hold it hostage!

And all historical record of Davar, Arcadia and the UoA disappeared too.:p

Oh, BTW, this is my seven thousand, seven hundred and seventy seventh post.

To: New Veritas
From: Myocaca

You call yourselves superior when you already know of our way of fighting. We have endured the force of the Lengels upon our shoulder, driven out the Nurmafer hordes from our lands, crushed Emor, tamed the wilderness, mastered the art of sword and creatures. We have brought your nation to its knees before and we are only more powerful now. We were placed in the jungles to make us stronger. Through our early suffering we learned of the horrors this world bears and we faced them down. We flourish in numbers. You however, your time has passed, you fell into darkness. While your relatives fled into exodus you fled to lands of greatness and continued your war mongering and imperialistic ways that destroyed your nation once. Now know this, when you betrayed us and sided with the Lengels offering your service in wiping us out we remembered. Now, we see all people as people, but Veritasan scum are not human. They are treacherous filth spawned from Korn, the Bladeist hell. Oneism as a whole is not quit evil, but the name Veritas bears hatred, you will find your self at the end of a pike, lest you recognize Sintonia, we will not rest until you are wiped from this world.

To New Veritas
From UKKK

As of this moment, your time has come. Back down, Or be destroyed. There shall be no more negotiations until you accept the truth of the matter. Sintonia proposed treaty is fair.

And it doesn't involve the UKKK's Resources being geared towards your small nation.

Betrayed you? doesnt that imply you had some kind of agreement?

The Gorinese Empire supports the UKKK's statement that the treaty proposed by the Sintonia and would strongly advise New Veritas to cease its continuing imperialism and back down immediately

i have to ask this, is Veritas a guild in WoW? cause i've seen it mentioned in Duskwood quite a bit and on the forums for WoW

Veritas means truth in Latin. It must be used in a variety of different games.

And Imago, despite the way it seems, I don't completly hold a distaste for you. If I had more time I'd join your NES, altrough I extremely dislike your sense of loyalty and the sense of the word "trustability" ;].

Hmm... Trustability. I will work to make myself better in that department. :)

I decree to the world that Norvalin still lives, as I haven't posted here in a while.

Veritas means truth in Latin. It must be used in a variety of different games.

And on the coat of arms of Harvard.

Not to mention Yale.

From: New Veritas
To: Myocaca, UKKK

We refuse. Sintonia is a province that will be reclaimed. If you feel the need to die upon our shores and walls, we will know where to wait for you.

To: New Veritas
From: Myocaca

So...it begins

Story to come soon

To: New Veritas
From: Myocaca

So...it begins


What begins, exactly?

1. The continuation of an already started war begins.
2. Thousands of Myocacans trying to swim across the sea without a navy begins.
3. The overuse of cliched phrases from LOTR begins.

Take your pick. :p

The Treaty of Saenium (revised version)

Article 1. Hostilities between the Empire of Guangfei and the Republic of New Veritas are ended, without precondition.

Article 2. Stratikrator Vandrios and his army will withdraw from the former city of Guangzhong, and remove his army from Guangfei within six months. His army will not inflict any damage upon the land or the people of Guangfei, under the condition that his army is not harrassed or attacked. The Stratikrator's army will also not move south of the Fei (?) River.

Article 3. New Veritas will renounce support for followers of the Church of the One who carried out acts of violence against Guangfei.

Article 4. Guangfei will declare the rebelling area of Sintonia to be not sovereign.

Article 5. New Veritas will abandon all claims on territory held by Guangfei prior to the Valfei War.

OOC: I get home and I see 2 pages of pretty much useless diplo..... :cry:

And despite your interesting depiction of Redemption, your cities, when captured, will be treated with the utmost civility. Unlike you barbarians, we don't bring the slaughter of civilians into our wars.

For the record, the Duke of Guangzhou on behalf of his Imperial Majesty would say otherwise pointing to the complete destruction of Guanzhong in addition to the full out anarchy in the regions of "The Kingdom of Shangei" begun by New Veritas ;)

For the record, the Duke of Guangzhou on behalf of his Imperial Majesty would say otherwise pointing to the complete destruction of Guanzhong in addition to the full out anarchy in the regions of "The Kingdom of Shangei" begun by New Veritas ;)

Thanks for bringing that up. So do we have a treaty?

Thanks for bringing that up. So do we have a treaty?

We were discussing it on private channels (MSN) when you unpolitely walked out (signed out) :p

We were discussing it on private channels (MSN) when you unpolitely walked out (signed out) :p

Not quite sure why that happened...

<.<

>.>

What begins, exactly?

1. The continuation of an already started war begins.
2. Thousands of Myocacans trying to swim across the sea without a navy begins.
3. The overuse of cliched phrases from LOTR begins.

Take your pick. :p



actually i was reffering to the famous phrase the beginning of the end, and why would i swim, we have other ways of reaching your nation, now i will burn every peace of land and salt the ground, rape your women, and bring sick people to come and have sex with your dead bodies

actually i was reffering to the famous phrase the beginning of the end, and why would i swim, we have other ways of reaching your nation, now i will burn every peace of land and salt the ground, rape your women, and bring sick people to come and have sex with your dead bodies

So Veritas is still evil?

OOC: Well, technically Veritas never became good so yes, it would still be evil from their point of view :p

OOC: Well, technically Veritas never became good so yes, it would still be evil from their point of view :p

Wouldn't doing all that make them the evil ones?
seems like a propaganda coup to me, just tell them what that guy said.

Wouldn't doing all that make them the evil ones?
seems like a propaganda coup to me, just tell them what that guy said.

Good point. *prints propaganda posters*

well mainly we forgave them in Myocaca, but during the Lengel invasion when we were pushed back to the River blade, New Veritas made an offer to purchase the Penninsula they invaded long ago in exchange for their aid in the war and money. Basically before then we had trade agreements and we and oneists were getting along. And when we asked them why they were making deals on our land with lengels, they merely stated we were in a state of anarchy and were under rulership of the lengels and we really did not exist. So we hold that as a grudge as Thranwuir who is currently king now fought in the war sees it as basically a declaration of war at the time that was never officially declared. So yeah, not to mention the swade's obsession of genociding all oneists as it has seemed for sometime

Good point. *prints propaganda posters*

*points out New Veritas doesn't know how to produce paper and her population's literacy is on par with Guangfei's "illiterate" peasantry* :mischief:

*points out New Veritas doesn't know how to produce paper and her population's literacy is on par with Guangfei's "illiterate" peasantry* :mischief:

Parchment, and we'll use pictures instead of words. :p Shouldn't you be doing homework, or something?

to Sanx:
If Kelios ever defeat us they will look to expand even more. You will be their next target. Would you good people join hands with us in bring the Kelios menace down?


what was their answer?

Sorry, our trading relations with Kelios are strong. You were invaded for militarism, we will not be dragged down the same path.

Ok Iggypiggy, I think I could rejoin this one. Do you have a civ similiar to OTL Greek city state, like athens, sparta or theba somewhere on the eastern continent?

Ok Iggypiggy, I think I could rejoin this one. Do you have a civ similiar to OTL Greek city state, like athens, sparta or theba somewhere on the eastern continent?

I could give you some Veritasan colonists, and you can start one. ;)

Nah, I don't want any contacts with the already-explored coast until I have some sort of a nation at the continent.

i'm leaving friday for more than a week so hopefully i remember to send orders before than.

Actually, Iggy, I was kind of wondering the same thing. It would be nice if there were some greco cultures "discovered" that we could play with :please:

Try as I might, I'm just not feeling the celtic right now. I'm always up for Greek though ;) My story output would increase as well :D

EDIT: Thlayli - Yours are too Romanesque, although I would take you up on that offer if I didn't think it would be a little ridiculous ;)

make a greek like nation then

Thats what I'm asking for ;) I just need somewhere to do it :D We wouldn't even need to be discovered by the "Old World." Surely thats not the only place civilization developed :p

You guys could have like a greek thing down the coast from Sintonia where nobody can see you. Its kinda omnious too. All the expeditions down there have never been heard from again!

The Empire of Guangfei signs the Treaty of Saenium.

OOC: Any OOC information you can give me iggy about well... the Guangfei who went west?

Does Guangfei sign the updated treaty, where it see's Sintonia as a rebellious province?

@Andis and LB- 2 places could have this happen: Far Eastern Azulia (New World), though it would be a culture out of place surrounded by a bunch of pseudo-Mesoamericans; or south of Sintonia. Pick one.

I could even edit the area to make it more interesting for city states.

@alex994- See update. Frozen in fetal positions and floating around.

They've probably gotten preserved in icepack or something by now.

How do you explain the "God makes landfall" part then! :p

How do you explain the "God makes landfall" part then! :p
The Avatar of the Blademaster has arrived, DUH

@alex- I'm sure someone will explain that 'cryptic' statement to you in due time...

If you give up, PM me and I'll give you a hint.

*****

Everyone, if you can send in orders, I've got a 4-day weekend and can start updating Thursday night at absolute soonest.

So just try to get the orders in please! Thanks!

cant send orders until friday

Orders already sent :mischief:

Yeah I know- its a first.

I suppose I'll take south of Sintonia. Any chance we can start out semi-advanced to A) have a chance of surviving amongsts these wolves, B) reflect the development of civilization for as long as the north has been developing?

Egh, what'll happen to the Tir people now???!!!!

LB confirm to Iggy our old deal! My orders will be useless now ;[.

Well, they're obsessed with honour and will hold to any agreements made with any foreign power, of course :p I will, calm down, its all okay. Maybe I'll play as Tir for one more turn. Voy a charlar con Iggy.

I suppose I'll take south of Sintonia. Any chance we can start out semi-advanced to A) have a chance of surviving amongsts these wolves, B) reflect the development of civilization for as long as the north has been developing?
There is actually a way your people could be sem-advanced. I PM's it to Iggy. It has to do with my back plans from like 200 years ago.

If you guys wrote how you had some sort of proto-state, and then my dudes came like 200 years ago, you could definitly be Iron Age now.

The Empire of Guangfei signs the Treaty of Saenium.


The Republic of New Veritas signs the Treaty of Saenium. May it last an epoch, and may the one who breaks this solemn treaty be endlessly cursed, scorned by every nation on Tellus until their repentance.

The Republic of New Veritas officially renounces all claims on territory held by Guangfei prior to the Valfei war, and disowns any fanatics within the Church who caused internal violence within Guangfei.

We await the statement from Guangfei recognizing Sintonia as a region in rebellion, and not a sovereign entity.

@Swiss: If they're Greco, then they're Valin. ;)

Greek is not bloody Roman. I must make that abundantly clear. However, being related to the Valins is not a problems (and really closer to a necessity). However, it would be best if somehow they came from the same place and are cousins, not one descended from the other. I could not bear the thought of Greeks coming from Romans as opposed to the other way around :p

Hmmm... what would be closest to Swades in OTL anyway?

Greek is not bloody Roman. I must make that abundantly clear. However, being related to the Valins is not a problems (and really closer to a necessity). However, it would be best if somehow they came from the same place and are cousins, not one descended from the other. I could not bear the thought of Greeks coming from Romans as opposed to the other way around :p

Hmmm... what would be closest to Swades in OTL anyway?

The Swades I really cannot find a comparison. They are a bit strange and brutal. They have an unhealthy obsession with knives.

I find Croyodon a European like nation that has been heavily influenced by middle eastern/ African cultures. Sort of backwards :)

Swade is something like an exaggerated, distorted Aztec Empire.

My own Merhai are something vaguely similar to the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois), but very much different--mammoths, for one thing, and they also have elements of Early Russia mixed in. Never mind the fact that I haven't gotten into their version of Animism at all... :p

Greek is not bloody Roman. I must make that abundantly clear. However, being related to the Valins is not a problems (and really closer to a necessity). However, it would be best if somehow they came from the same place and are cousins, not one descended from the other. I could not bear the thought of Greeks coming from Romans as opposed to the other way around :p

You're totally right. And Valin's always been a strange mix of Greek and Roman anyway, with a few Semitic influences thrown in here and there.

Iggy talked a lot about Veritas being an offshoot of the same race that Davar and Eldrania were related to, so yours being related as well isn't out of the question at all.

They are a bit strange and brutal.

Hmmm... sounds Greek to me :p

They have an unhealthy obsession with knives.

Looks like we're in business!

No seriously, I actually knew those little tidbits, but thanks for the heads up as to their OTL parallels (or lack thereof!), Farow.

Iggy talked a lot about Veritas being an offshoot of the same race that Davar and Eldrania were related to, so yours being related as well isn't out of the question at all.

Sounds good to me! Mine will be very close to yours, Thlayli, with some obvious differences, of course. We should get along fine though ;)

Alright, stay with me. (Supposively) Imago- always attemptiong to thwart me- will submit to Thlayli this turn and turn control of his people back over to him (which seems kinda unlikely, if you ask me.) I'll go along with this, but don't think I'm about to fall for anything. From there Thlayli will attempt to create a mimic nation of mine, some Valin Union or something. I'll assume that they're not completely bsing me.



Second Treaty of Venix

1.) All hostilities between the nations of Ardan and Norvalin are to cease immediatly. Any army present on foreign soil will return- unabidged or harressed by enemy forces- immediatly to the land of the home.

2.) Norvalin, and to an extent the Veritas it shall soon join, will officially renounceany and all claims to all land under Ardan control at present time.

3.) Norvalin merchants will also renounce any and all superior trading claims assurted to them in previous peace talks. In return Norvalin will agree to grant Ardan merchants special indeminities within their lands, including a reduction in all taxes currently levied upon them.

4.) Norvalin- acknowledgig the potential source of conflict- will cede the land to Arcadia's east to the soverign nation of Ardan. Norvalin will also- ackowldging its hostility in the past- cede the region to the direct north of Arcadia to provide a more defensive border for Arcadia. Arcadia will pay the sum of one valak (eco) to comple the transaction.

5.) Norvalin will also pay three valaks (eco) to Arcadia in return for damages done to Arcadian property, nationals, and honor during its last three incurssions into Arcadia. Norvalin will in reality pay two valaks in return for Arcadia paying nothing.

6.) A non-voidable, unbreakable three term NAP will be placed immediatly between Norvalin-region and and Ardan.

7.) Norvalin port cities will not interfer in any troop movements performed by Ardan. This will be returned in favor to all Valin ships, excluding the right to dock for armies within the cities of Ardan, Vael Dash, and Venix. Also strict regulations will be placed upon all Valin armies moving through Ardan territories that must be kept in check.

8.) The senior member of the Norvalin- and Valin- churches will admit the legitimicy of Pire and his holy work, and that Pirian is an acceptable faith within the church. In return the breakoff Church of Pire will reopen theological discussion with the Orthodox Valin.

9.) To prevent another conflict between Ardan and the Valins, each paty will submit a permanet diplomat to the other's capital capable of dealing wiht any issue that arises.

Map of the territorial changes:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/88860/untitled1.JPG

OOOC: Whaaaaat? i didn't exactly give anything away most people don't know by now. ;]

Darkening, I'm actually very upset that you posted that. You know what I asked you, and you went against it.

Can you please get on MSN for a second?

OOC: I agree to basically everything you've written there, but I'd asked you not to post it. And the fact that you did is disappointing.

Egh, what now? Thats the last copy I have and I don't have MSN. Either relay everything to Alex, or pm me ;]. Everything I posted I thought I got okay'd by you, anyways.

Egh, what now? Thats the last copy I have and I don't have MSN. Either relay everything to Alex, or pm me ;]. Everything I posted I thought I got okay'd by you, anyways.

I agree to everything except the land cession, which I thought included just the eastern city. It's just that I'd asked you not to post the details of the treaty, that's all.

I agree to everything except the land cession, which I thought included just the eastern city. It's just that I'd asked you not to post the details of the treaty, that's all.

Oh nononononononononoNO. Don't even try that with me -_-. The land deal is what WE agreed upon last time we spoke, cause I was adamant about the fact I believed you guys were trying to trick me. I said (actual words) that the borders "would be moved north to the city."

Also, I doubt it'd matter if I posted the treaty. Everyone against you already knows your plan. I don't take double-crossing very well (even if its imaginary).

Oh nononononononononoNO. Don't even try that with me -_-. The land deal is what WE agreed upon last time we spoke, cause I was adamant about the fact I believed you guys were trying to trick me. I said (actual words) that the borders "would be moved north to the city."

Also, I doubt it'd matter if I posted the treaty. Everyone against you already knows your plan. I don't take double-crossing very well (even if its imaginary).

It's quite imaginary. Like I said, we still agree to the cession of territory. Both cessions. But like I said, I didn't want you to post the details here.

New Veritas, soon to be dissolved and replaced with the Valin Republic of Veritas, signs the treaty.

Littleboots, contrary to what everyone would have you beleive, we're not strange and brutal.

We're a lot like a laid back Sparta combined with large Relgious(Muslim/Early Christian) role culturally. And there is a little Persia in their too. And some Bushido Culture. And some Ivan stage Russia.

We're just a happy hodge-podge. I would hate to be a total rip off of a culture, even using words from it........latin words.........that mean Truth.....and are also a little-known British Political Party.

Ah well, the more you know!;)

We're just a happy hodge-podge. I would hate to be a total rip off of a culture, even using words from it........latin words.........that mean Truth.....and are also a little-known British Political Party.



I'd hate to be sniping at other people's cultures that existed almost a millennia before some other cultures could even figure out how to form complex sentences. :rolleyes:

laid back Sparta
large Relgious(Muslim
little Persia
some Bushido Culture
some Ivan stage Russia.

I'm afraid that doesn't seem to mix with

we're not strange and brutal.

:p

I'd hate to be sniping at other people's cultures that existed almost a millennia before some other cultures could even figure out how to form complex sentences. :rolleyes:
No need to get Rolly-Eyed here, just playful banter. I full respect Veritas and I am happy to be able to slowly wipe it from the map

I'm afraid that doesn't seem to mix with



:p
Okay, I concede we may be a little itsy bitsy tiny bit brutal, but were Elegantly Brutal.

We torture...........in style!

Its like Court of Star Chamber meets the Fab Five!

Orders sent! You know Iggy, I'm already looking forward to the interstellar version of this NES.

*sports announcer voice*

VALINS.....IN....SPAAAAAACCE!

Orders sent. Norvalin is officialy dead.

...But something greater will be born...

^ :eek: you have an treaty to end the conflict in this area when Arcadia/Arda is also fighting me and the map shows them in control of my country.

orders sent.

I think I'll join somewhere in the far east. When do you reguire orders?

No Greeks in the far east, keep in mind. South of Sintonia is the place.

I really have no desire to build another nation in the old world. Are there any nations in the new world that are on quite hilly terrain and with lots of warlike neighbours nearby?

Um, South of Sintonia, and there's at least one aggressive neighbour.

Other than that, there's really not much at this time.

That is, much that is capable of supporting civilization yet.

Gah! My point was I don't want to join as any nation on the old world, meaning it can't be south of sintonia. If there really isn't any playable nations inside the continent of azulia then I will pass it this time.

Gah! My point was I don't want to join as any nation on the old world, meaning it can't be south of sintonia. If there really isn't any playable nations inside the continent of azulia then I will pass it this time.

Veritasan colonists? :groucho:

^ you have an treaty to end the conflict in this area when Arcadia/Arda is also fighting me and the map shows them in control of my country.


What? It's called forshadowing (even through I can't spell it)! The treaty stands between me and Norvalin, not you. You, my friend, should begin plotting where to join next! (if Iggy doesn't decide to suddenly let the penguins become mercaneries ;].)

It's quite imaginary. Like I said, we still agree to the cession of territory. Both cessions. But like I said, I didn't want you to post the details here.

New Veritas, soon to be dissolved and replaced with the Valin Republic of Veritas, signs the treaty.

Why fret about the details when everyone already knows them all? Thlayli the treaty isn't intended to prevent another war between us. Its intended to prevent the war-mongering Valins from attacking me a fourth and increasingly annyoing fourth time. You don't have to accept it after all. You'd just throw away the other friendship the valins still have (even if its a bit strained.)

Why fret about the details when everyone already knows them all?

Well they didn't know, unless you told them. I'm really over being angry by now, but you still didn't listen.

Well they didn't know, unless you told them. I'm really over being angry by now, but you still didn't listen.


I'm not angry. To the contrary, I'm scared. Thlayli I pay attention to everything. I see that no matter where you join as, you fight a war against somebody. If theres one flaw I have ever seen in you, its that you're too agressive- you're not afraid to attack everyone and everything that gets in your way. And quite frankly, I would prefer not to share a border with you anymore ;].

And to tell the truth, I'm surprised I'm even going along with a treaty. As everyone else knows, I've stopped an inch short of going the mile to gather a coalation to enact the third Valin Exile.

I'm not going to point out your flaws, Darkening. But I'll only repeat that you should have waited.

Honestly, I agreed to all your conditions without arguing barely at all, for the sake of our alliance. I've never attacked a true Oneist state, and I never will.

I'm not going to point out your flaws, Darkening. But I'll only repeat that you should have waited.

Honestly, I agreed to all your conditions without arguing barely at all, for the sake of our alliance. I've never attacked a true Oneist state, and I never will.

My flaws? What that I'm paranoid, bullheaded, a tad insane, and easy to tick off? Unelegant with my speech? One of the worst fighters in NESing history? Stupidly trusting a few people while not the others? An idiot in the making? I'm not afraid to admit what I am. You can skirt around it all you like, but you have to accept the fact I pegged you down quite well.

I'll also say that, if our alliance was of any stature, you shouldn't have waited to give you support for me, not Noralin. That was the day I knew I couldn't really trust you along with the others and to this day I still don't trust you. You didn't have to attack Norvalin, rather conem it, but you choose to condem both of us- the attacker and the victim.

When you can prove to me that you're trustworthy and fully into an alliance, I'll consider. But right now I trust about squat in here. Thats, in fact, what stopped my alliance- I don't trust 3/4s of the people who said they'd help to actually help.

I've never attacked a true Oneist state, and I never will.

And I suppose that I'm a "true" Oneist state that would simply "be brought back into the Orthodox church for public support."

@andis-1- If you absolutely must, you could form a new nation beyond Ida'an'i'i.

Iggy, is it possible for me to enter as that Greek nation this turn? If so, do you want me to do a write up for them? If so, I need some sort of background if you have one in mind, as well as a short history if they have neighbors. (You could just have them assume hegemonic control and then not worry about neighbors ;))

Send orders and I'll add you. Nice hilly region, quite Greeklike in topography, though colder.

Can I get orders in tomorrow? I really need to get to sleep fairly early today.

Fine by me. I'll just do your section later.

me to iggy, i don't have time for orders till friday

I will send orders before 24 hours. On the death of Vandrios, I swear this! Thlayli told me he's going to die anyways so no big loss if I don't make it
For the record, what on earth is Azulia? :confused:

We Need You, Iggy, To the Shore, I Wanna Take You Higher!

I will send orders before 24 hours. On the death of Vandrios, I swear this! Thlayli told me he's going to die anyways so no big loss if I don't make it
For the record, what on earth is Azulia? :confused:
Azulia is the New World

I thought Azulia IS the new world though.... And btw, double posting is a sin.

@Swiss' PM- No money from Ozkir, as it is too disorganized and poor.

@Swiss' PM- No money from Ozkir, as it is too disorganized and poor.

okay. And seriously Iggy, I want to take you higher again!

Send orders and I'll add you. Nice hilly region, quite Greeklike in topography, though colder.

Okay. Any idea of a rough historical background or can we just make that up next turn to speed up this process? ;)