I know the point is to get the bestscore possible, but one thing that seems strange to me (someone that plays often but isn't that good) is that I am wondering whether you feel like you are missing out on a big check of the game? I hear so many people say they win before reaching the upper level military units. Do you guys do other things to enjoy that part of the game, like later start dates?

Wars with modern military require a large number of units. This requires a tiring amount of micro-management, and the Civ IV interface sucks, frankly, for managing large stacks of units. So I'm quite content to avoid long, on-going modern wars if I can.

I find that I often opt to "not win" when I know I can, and I drag it out. I like the later parts of the game, although they require MM. Then again, I don't care for the score, just the experience.

To each his own, I guess.

Wars with modern military require a large number of units. This requires a tiring amount of micro-management, and the Civ IV interface sucks, frankly, for managing large stacks of units. So I'm quite content to avoid long, on-going modern wars if I can.

screw the units, modern war weariness is frankly modestly absurd. u need every possible war weariness reducer just to bring it down from absurd.

Yeah, try playing a huge map in the modern ages... It just gets bored. I don't want to start war in the modern ages, simply because it's time consuming and you don't want to move huge stacks of units around. Not speaking of MM, that's hell when you have like 20+ city's.

Yeah, try playing a huge map in the modern ages... It just gets bored. I don't want to start war in the modern ages, simply because it's time consuming and you don't want to move huge stacks of units around. Not speaking of MM, that's hell when you have like 20+ city's.

Exactly! I like the railroad in Civ3 much better. Having Railroad in Civ4 is like not having anything at all. On top of that, Civ3 has a lot of fast units with 3 movement points and cool bombardment units. The later age in Civ4 is really boring.:yuck:

I know the point is to get the bestscore possible...

Actually the point is to have fun playing the game. :)

I don't find modern wars as tedious as the above posters would imply. I usually use smaller, focused stacks on the ground and bomb the hell out of enemy cities using bombers before sending in the tanks. This does not take "large stacks of units" with the possible exception of the bomber stack.

But... I play on either standard or large maps. I can see it would start to drag on anything larger.

I know the point is to get the bestscore possible, but one thing that seems strange to me (someone that plays often but isn't that good) is that I am wondering whether you feel like you are missing out on a big check of the game? I hear so many people say they win before reaching the upper level military units. Do you guys do other things to enjoy that part of the game, like later start dates?

My games almost always start in the ancient age. I like playing with the early units and getting the early wonders either by building or conquest. Most end before the modern age units appear.

All the people who say all their games end before the modern age arn't playing on a high enough setting, or with enough opponents.

Well before Industrial Age, yeah... before Modern Age.. you can normally finish just as its getting into the Modern Age.

All the people who say all their games end before the modern age arn't playing on a high enough setting, or with enough opponents.

I have won with Calvary/Riflemen/Grenadiers/Cannon on Standard map with 7 opponents on Emperor level.

Are saying that I should move up to Immortal on standard map?

I have won with Calvary/Riflemen/Grenadiers/Cannon on Standard map with 7 opponents on Emperor level.

Are saying that I should move up to Immortal on standard map?

same with me.
I always play Emperor (i feel I need to spend too much time MM on immortal to be fun)
I end my games around rifleman/cavalery times. If I can't win with just that, I usually abandon the game or just do full time research no military and keep pressing enter to get to space victory (but very rarely as that's realy boring)

I don't think Civ IV was made good for modern warfare.
In civ III I alwasy waited til modern armors to finish everyone off.

All the people who say all their games end before the modern age arn't playing on a high enough setting, or with enough opponents.

You got me there! I'm going to hide under my pillow and cry for awhile.:cry:

Are saying that I should move up to Immortal on standard map?

Yes! Everyones different in what kind of game they enjoy, but personally, I find the most fun games are the ones where I'm behind for pretty much the whole of history. Games where it takes a lot more than a CS slingshot to catch up with the AI.

I struggle my way through, all the way up until to riflemen/cannons etc, and it's only by that time I'm starting to become equal to the strongest AI's. Soon you find yourself in the modern age, and theres still one or two really strong AI's, who you've got to wipe out to prevent them building their spaceships.

Not everyone's like me.. I mean, I often play my games right to completion, even when I'm getting my arse kicked and I know theres no way I can win. It's still fun to try!

ok,
I was playing a game getting intothe modern era when I posted that message and eventually gave up because these boards taught me enough to know that i was spending as much time overcoming my old mistakes as I was learning how to be better. anyway, I played on to a diplomatic victory after that, and when hattie declared war on me in the 1980's, on a gigantic map with 6 AI remaining, it was not a lot of fun (especially since she was overseas and getting troops there was not fun). Thanks for your input.

I struggle my way through, all the way up until to riflemen/cannons etc, and it's only by that time I'm starting to become equal to the strongest AI's. Soon you find yourself in the modern age, and theres still one or two really strong AI's, who you've got to wipe out to prevent them building their spaceships.

Not everyone's like me.. I mean, I often play my games right to completion, even when I'm getting my arse kicked and I know theres no way I can win. It's still fun to try!

That sounds a lot like my last weekend, except that everyone were in the modern age while I was the only one still in the stone age. There I was on a deity huge map against 10 other AIs. All the AIs that were still alive around 1400 AD were building their spaceship components like no tomorrow while I didn't even have Scientific Theory. On top of that, every few turns, the AIs played a cruel joke on me by offerring their aluminum/coal/oil/uranium for free. At first, I didn't know what to do with their offer, but then I realized that I could have just accepted their free aluminum and sell it to their rivals. I was thinking of doing that, but decided not to. Needless to say, I was very nervous the whole time. It was just a matter of time before they finish their spaceship or the UN or they could just roll their tanks over, but I didn't give up and played all the way until the end. Well, there wasn't much I could do except to hit "end turn" for more than 100 times on marathon game speed so I can find out who win in the end.