View Full Version : Dark Elf Design Thread
Sep 16, 2006, 03:22 AM
This thread can be used to brainstorm all the ideas for designing the Dark Elf civ.
Here is the Dark Elf Unit list:
Worker: Darkelf Worker
Ancient Warrior: Darkelf Warrior
Ancient Spearman: Darkelf Spearman
Ancient Archer: Darkelf Archer
Ancient Axeman: Darkelf Axeman
Ancient Swordman: Darkelf Swordsman
Shaman: Elven Shamaness
Chariot: NONE get Dark Elven Beastmaster
Monster I: Hellmount
Scout: Darkelf Scout
Shaman: Darkelf Shamaness
Age of Magic
Citizen: Slave (cannot buy, only capture -works faster than a regular worker)
Militia Spearman: Darkelf Warriors with Drannach
Militia Archer: NONE, get Witchelves
Militia Swordsman: Corsairs Swordsman
Light Knight: Dark Rider
Hedge-Wizard: Dark Elven Hedge-Witch
Bolt-Thrower: Dark Elven Bolt Thrower
War Chariot: Cold One Chariot
Monster II: War Hydra
Age of Discovery
Royal Guard: Black Guard
Pikemen: NONE, Replaced by Excecutioners
Longbow: NONE, Harpies
Crossbow- Repeater Crossbows
Heavy Knight- Cold One Knights
Wizard: Dark Elven Hag
Cannon:NONE, replaced by Repeater Bolt Thrower
Musketman: NONE, Dark Elven Sorceress
Monster III: Dragon Rider
Ironclad: Black Ark of Naggaroth
Special Unit: Beastmaster on manticore, Assassin
-Watch Tower: gives the city +70% defence bonus.
Sep 16, 2006, 03:24 AM
Sep 16, 2006, 03:25 AM
Sep 16, 2006, 03:54 AM
For the UB how about better walls and castles? Like +70% each instead of +50%. For traits something like 'Slaver', which increase slavery out put by 50%. Although that should go in special rather than traits, as traits should be used only for leaders and not race.
Sep 16, 2006, 07:38 AM
Good idea for a unique building. we could call them "watch towers" like the ones along the northern boarder of Naggaroth. like you say htey could give a 70% defece bonus, and perhaps increase the strength of stand-and-shoot for archers (whats it called? i forgot, the thing where aarchers bombard enemies when they attack)
W could give them a unique civic. call it Slavery, let it act smilar to the FFH one.
Sep 16, 2006, 08:19 AM
It would be quite hard to have a building give a bonus to that, it would be simpler to just use XML tags that we already have.
Sep 16, 2006, 02:58 PM
I think better walls and/or Fortresses fits nicely but I also vote just to have higher defense values using existing tags.
Sep 16, 2006, 07:02 PM
OK then. i wasnt sure if that would have worked any way:)
@Ploe: how many unique buildings do you want each civ to have?
Sep 16, 2006, 08:59 PM
Dependend on ideas we get. Buildings should be all different in appearance in the final version to match different cityartstyles and could also have different effects for different civs but not necessarily for EVERY single building. I.e. if Dwarves build a harbor this could be much less effectiv than normal harbors but it wouldn't make sense to have different barracks for everyone. For every civ we should think what their special weaknesses and what their strengths are. This mod favors flavor before balance but this shouldn't mean balance isn't important- and if we make ALL buildings different Olleus gets angry with us btw. so lets not do too much here.
Sep 16, 2006, 10:59 PM
Ok then. we should probably just stick to the one Unique building per civ then, and once all the civs are complete to the same degree we can fiddle around with the rest of the buildings.
Sep 17, 2006, 02:36 AM
and if we make ALL buildings different Olleus gets angry with us btw
I won't get angry if every building is different, I will only get angry if a civ is forced into a single type of play.
Sep 17, 2006, 03:06 AM
Heh ok, was just joking anyway. Seriously though it wouldn't make much sense to have too many buildings with unique effects. I think about 3 should be the max(including the unique wonder-national, trait or whatever/ btw max doesn't mean min). Too many are 1. a lot of work 2. almost impossible to balance 3. confusing for the player.
The more unique effects a civ gets the less strong should be the effects etc.
Sep 17, 2006, 08:22 AM
so then how should we implement slavery? should it be a trait, a civic, a technology or what? i think that whatever we decide we should also have a 'Slave Trade Center' building which could increse happyness and production of the city.
Sep 17, 2006, 08:49 AM
I have an idea to completely revamp the slavery civic.
1) 'Pop rushing' goes to some other civic or is removed all together
2) Everytime you beat an enemy unit there is a small chance of generating a 'slave' unit.
3) This unit can be used to give +20 hammers to a city. Can only be done once per turn per city to stop people completely rushing wonders in one go.
Dark elves are twice as likely as anyone else to get a slave unit when defeating oponents.
Sep 18, 2006, 04:26 AM
sound similar to the FFH one. do the 'slaves' get sacrificed, or do they stay alive?
i think it would be cool if the Dark elves could also sacrifice the slaves to boost research in thier cities for a turn also, to symbolise sacrificing slaves to Khaine for favour from the gods.
i also think only some races should be able to get slaves, darkelves, vampire counts, khemri, araby, chaos dwarves, lizard men, skaven, ogres, and perhaps orcs and gobbos.
Sep 18, 2006, 06:51 AM
you forgot Estalia and Tilea Slavery fits good to them whereelse Sylvania is more a society of serfdom than slavery.
Sep 19, 2006, 03:30 AM
well, maybe tilea but not estalia. do you think the spanish were slavers?? no. but youre right about tilea, the romans were slavers.
Sep 19, 2006, 06:37 AM
PL you should reread your historybooks. forgot about southamerica?:p
Sep 19, 2006, 07:21 AM
Ploe: You should re read your geography books:p:p
i did say Lizardmen which are in Lustria, the eqivilant of 'South America'.
but you are, again, partially right :blush: i forgot the Amazonians, if ever there was a race that oved slaves, it was the amazons:p
so over all the darkelves, khemri, araby, chaos dwarves, lizard men,amazons, skaven, ogres, tileans and perhaps orcs and gobbos can get slavery, but the Darkelves, amazona and lizard men could get incresed slavery.
Sep 19, 2006, 07:55 AM
PL Spain was a slaver civ for more centuries than not. Most of their slavetrade was with their southamerican colonies but they also were invlolved with slavetrade around the world;)
Sep 19, 2006, 08:05 AM
ah, ok. i see where youre heading :lol: i was thinking the Mayans and incans slave trades. ok youre right. :lol:
shall we get back on topic now then? Dark Elves anyone:p
What traits are people thinksing for Malekith and Morathi?