This thread is for the discussion of Civilizations, Leaders, Unique Units, Unique Buildings, Music and Great People for African and Oceanic additions to CIV Gold:

Aborigines
Abyssinia
Australia
Carthage*
Maasai
Maghreb
Malagasy
Maori
Nguni*
Nubia
Polynesia
Togo

*non-Warlords versions only

Perhaps you could consider Queen Dido as an alternative leader for Cathage.

I agree. Somebody needs to come up with a decent ancient female model that could be used for Dido, Cleopatra, and Boadica.

Perhaps the Boers should be included here too?

Perhaps the Boers should be included here too?

Would you suggest Boers or South Africa?

I'd like to see a New Zealand civilization. Especially for the New Zealand map: Here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=204989)

Cities: (first half a dozen in their historical order, then the rest by population) - check for overlap with Maori race!

Russell
Auckland
Wellington
Nelson
Wanganui
New Plymouth
Christchurch
Dunedin
Manukau
North Shore
Waitakere
Hamilton
Tauranga
Palmerston North
Hastings
Napier
Lower Hutt
Upper Hutt
Rotorua
Invercargill
Gisborne
Whangarei
Kapiti
Timaru
Benheim
Taupo
Porirua
Masterton
Levin
Ashburton
Pukekohe
Whakatane
Cambridge
Feilding
Oamaru
Timaru
Hawera
Gore
Greymouth
Dannevirke
Huntly
Otaki
Queenstown
Tokoroa
Te Awamutu
Kaitaia
Pukekohe
Matamata
Morrinsville
Motueka
Rangiora
Stratford
Thames


Possible Leaders:

Julius Vogel: Industrious (Vogel Scheme to create the NZ economy), Expansive (Paid immigration, establishing of transport networks)
Civic: Emancipation (just because the 100% growth bonus is representative)

Michael Joseph Savage: Charismatic (excellent speaker, critic of Britain appeasement policies), Spiritual (Welfare state and religion)
Civic: Free Speech

Robert Muldoon: Financial (Minister of Finance), Industrious (Think Big policies)
Civic: No idea...

David Lange: Philosophical (Hardline stance against Nuclear Weapons), Financial (Rogernomics)
Civic: Free Market (self explanatory)

Helen Clark: Creative (seen the extensive rise of NZ arts, film, and Maori culture), Organised (the long 'Stable Government' period)
Civic: Free Religion (perhaps to represent the multi-cultralism attitude)

Possible Uniques:


Diggers: WWI infantry with a bonus entrenching and defending, so perhaps a hills bonus

NZ Lav III: Modern era Light armoured, anti-personal vehicle. Can reach speed of 109km/h so perhaps a movement bonus and anti-infantry.

As for a Unique Building, Something to do with sheep, or intensive dairying could be good. A 'Shore Station' (Whaling and Sealing) could also be good.

And copied from my NZ map thread:

To continue this map and make it a project, I would need a pack containing the following civilizations:

Maori (native people - arrived around 11-13th century AD. A highly adaptive and warlike people. They never really formed one people as 'Maori', but rather each tribe saw itself as it's own 'race'. While they certainly defied the Victorian notions of 'Fatal Impact' - the destruction of native peoples due to the sheer superiority of European civilization; introuduced muskets destablilised the tribal boundries leading to slaughter. In the aftermath the missionaries took advantage of this and converted the majority of the Maori, though they adapted rather than adopted Christianity leading to some rather peculiar varients. To the missionaries dismay, they identified far more with the Jews and the ideas of getting their promised land back than the peaceful Christian messeges. They formed a compact with the English called the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840, but soon after new settlers who had little regard for it (along with discrepancies in the translation) began causing problems. While the Maori kept dominance at first due to numbers, they were soon swamped in land greedy settlers, leading to what are now known as the 'Land Wars' or 'New Zealand Wars'. The Maori tried establishing a King with limited sucess, and later tried non-violent resistance and working within the White mans own legal framework among other things, but by the 1900s Maori land ownership had dwindled to almost nothing from almost everything, and the population had likewise lowered. Since the 80s Maori have regrasped their heritage (despite a lack of pure 'Maori') and the NZ government have tried to redress outstanding grievences with some sucess.)

English (Captain Cook explored and mapped the land in the late 18th century. The English claimed it in 1840 after about 40 years of exploitation (felling, sealing, whaling), despite not really wanting to. The English essentially governed NZ from afar and increasingly loosely, until the advent of refrigeration around 1890 leading to a strong bond being established, highly profitable for both countries. NZ essentially became Britains farm, and NZ blindly followed England into the Boer War, WWI, and WWII. With the establishment of the EEU Britain essentially tried to cut off NZ. NZ had enjoyed top five status on the HDI and similar positions economically, but this cut along with other issues led to economic turmoil in the mid 20th century, dropping NZs standard of living far behind Europe and England)

French (Expressed interest in colonising more Pacific nations having already landed in places such as New Caledonia. They formed a settlement at Akaroa in the south island - this along with their Catholocism perhaps drove the English to claim NZ)

Dutch (Under Abel Tasman, first to 'discover' NZ (not counting the inhabitants) - tried to land but was aggressively driven off. Could have been the first, and could have taken NZ if Abel Tasmans men weren't eaten...)

Australia (The large neighbouring country to the West, NZ was administerred for a time as a dependancy of the state of New South Wales. Australia thought NZ would join in its federation as the final state, but NZ had other plans. While similar countries there are strong rivalries, especially in sport, and the two countries have since the 80s become increasingly different ideologically)

Polynesia, New Zealand, America, China, and Japan could also be added. And yes, I know that England + Maori = New Zealand (sort of).

America (along with French and English, they too exploited the resources of NZ. De to trouble in the north threatening their citizens, they considered establishing permanent bases to the alarm of the English. In WWII a colonisation of sorts occured as American ships docked in NZ harbours and partook of it's ladyfolk while the men where away in Europe. The women were easy prey to American men and their good manners and gifts of pantyhose. Oh how things have changed :P)

Japan (In WWII Japan advanced further and further South through Asia, taking China, the Philipenes, and most of South East Asia. One pre-emptive attack on Australia was made with mini-submarines, and those same submarines were spotted several times off the coasts of NZ as well. Tensions are still exist over environmental issues such as whaling.).

China (China is growing and growing and it's industrial and military powers dominate the region. Though NZ has housed Chinese since the Goldrushes in the 1860s, a rapidly growing Chinese population in modern times disturbs most conservatives. While relations between the two countries are friendly, increased activity in essentially bribing Pacific states by China when it comes to voting on international issues has caused problems).

Polynesia (one of the largest minorities, more Samoans, Tongans, etc live here than in their own countries)

New Zealand (The modern country of New Zealand. Known for sheep, greenpeace, epic movies, and tourism. NZ enjoys clear skies and minor pollution, no corruption (as far as we know), and a decent economy that had to reconfigure itself after the turmoil of the 70s and 80s. NZ has always played an active role on the world stage since the 1900s. Though mostly obsessed with sport and alcohol, NZ has contributed many notable persons such as Ernest Rutherford, the man who split the atom (and the worlds first confirmed alchemist), or Sir Edmond Hillary, the first to reach the top of Mt Everest.)

All those civs except for New Zealand are already in Gold. I'll see what I can do for 4.0.

Hope this hasn't been forgotten because it's in a different thread :P

This is quite obvious, but the Polynesian UU would be the Catamaran. :D
Takes the place of the Galley, and provides 3 movement instead of two.

A very minor suggestion. I did a little research, and since the leaderhead for Abyssinia's Selassie I doesn't really look like him very much (mostly the dress doesn't remotely match any of his pictures that I've seen, in which he is almost always in a modern military uniform), and since he is very close in time period to your other Abyssinian ruler Menelik II, why not change his leaderhead's name to Kaleb.

Kaleb was one of the most historically-noted rulers in the area and dates from the first few centuries AD. He reflects a militant personality as well as a Christian spirituality. There weren't any good pictures of him that I could find, and your leaderhead really is very nice. I know of no reason why it wouldn't fit him perfectly.

A very minor suggestion. I did a little research, and since the leaderhead for Abyssinia's Selassie I doesn't really look like him very much (mostly the dress doesn't remotely match any of his pictures that I've seen, in which he is almost always in a modern military uniform), and since he is very close in time period to your other Abyssinian ruler Menelik II, why not change his leaderhead's name to Kaleb.

I can see your point on Selassie, but if you look at the more...artistic...interpretations, you'll see some similarity. Menelik's getting moved to a new LH, so I may use the existing Menelik to a 3rd leader for them.

Kaleb was one of the most historically-noted rulers in the area and dates from the first few centuries AD. He reflects a militant personality as well as a Christian spirituality. There weren't any good pictures of him that I could find, and your leaderhead really is very nice. I know of no reason why it wouldn't fit him perfectly.

I'll take a look and see if we can go that way. If so, I'll have to work on another Selassie LH.

ARGH... NO MORE WORK PLEASE!!!!...Lol

Don't foget that these additions are easy to create after the launch and the whole package no longer needs to be recreated to do so. :)

I always thought that a pauldronless Alexander would be a good base for Selassie. Think dark skin, a curly texture to the hair, and a painted-on beard. An olive green military uniform would also be great and the sharp cut of the armor along the shoulders and sides would help as well.

Can the Malagasy LH's perhaps be redone to not be so Caucasian?

Can the Malagasy LH's perhaps be redone to not be so Caucasian?

Actually, that's a fair representation of Nampoina.

http://www.collectiftanora.org/images/Nampoina.jpg

The Malagasy people are a real ethnic mix.

http://www.madanight.com/modules/eGallery/gallery/joyk_06_06/joyk-nampoina-30.jpg

keep requesting the Garamantes

Civ: Garamantes
Starting Techs: Agriculture, Mining
UU: Something Ancient. (Maybe a Chariot, Axemen or a Spearmen?)
UB: foggaras (replaces Aquaduct) give a bonus to it. +some food?
Leaders: don't know one. And making a Generic Leader might be a Problem to. Noone knows if there were Black or White or what kind of clothes they wore.

City list:
Cap: Garama
Zinchecra
Muhuggiag

You can find more cities. They had 8 Major Towns and dozens of villages around the towns.

Some Links:
http://www.archaeology.org/0403/abstracts/sands.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garamantes

Re: the Garamentes - we have a civ known as the Maghreb that incorporates both the Moor, Berber and Tuareg cultures (the UB is a Berber pasture). It's a more generic grouping, but this is something we've done on a few occasions to try and get the maximum amount of cultures while still making the number of civs manageable.

We've done this with the Mande, Congo, Kanem-Bornu, Buryat, and North American native civs.

Having said all that, it's not to say we won't add Garamentes. But probably not in the first release of 4.0.

Re: the Garamentes - we have a civ known as the Maghreb that incorporates both the Moor, Berber and Tuareg cultures (the UB is a Berber pasture). It's a more generic grouping, but this is something we've done on a few occasions to try and get the maximum amount of cultures while still making the number of civs manageable.

We've done this with the Mande, Congo, Kanem-Bornu, Buryat, and North American native civs.

Having said all that, it's not to say we won't add Garamentes. But probably not in the first release of 4.0.

I understand. BTW, if I'm not mistaken, the name Moor is derived from the ancient Mauri (whence Mauretania). The Garamantes could be seen as asubdivision of the Tuareg, which would be the transsaharan seminomadic populations in general. Putting all this into Maghreb seems a bit overdoing it - again, I realize the reasons for doing so. However, the Garamentes are an ancient civ, whereas the other are more, like medieval. A point in favour of addition, perhaps?:goodjob:

As a UU I'd rather suggest a Horse Archer type unit (Camel Archer might be overdoing it...)