This thread is for requests for civilizations to be added to CIV Gold. The easiest requests to accommodate are generally those where a civ exists already as a standalone. Barring that, the requestor may provide information and should be willing to donate some time in assisting the CIV Gold Team if they would like to see their suggestion included.

Please provide:

Civ Name and Context (where/when)
Link to Existing User-Created Civ (if applicable) or
Leader and Suggested Traits
Unique Unit and Suggested Replacement
Unique Building and Suggested Replacement
City List of at Least 10 Cities

It is also helpful to include photos or links to information on the civ. (i.e. Wikipedia entry, etc.)

There is no guarantee that the civ will be included, but if there is support, it may be.

There are too few African civs. How about the Igbo people? They are part of Nigeria today but historically I think they were the first African direct democracy, like Athens. I could be mistaken though. I think they flourished from 700-1700?AD. Only two Igbo towns had monarchies.

Leader: Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu-Protective, Organized
UU:Obis or Ezes (swordsman?)
UB:Isusu (bank)

Cities:Enugu
Port Harcourt
Bonny
Onitsha
Agbo
Ikwo
Aba
Owerri
Enugu
Nnewi
Nsukka
Awka
Umuahia
Asaba

Good suggestion!

I've been thinking of adding Nigeria based on the criteria for which Pakistan and Indonesia were added - massive population, some political significance, and not represented elsewhere.

Because of the incredible diversity of the region, I was wondering if I should go for modern Nigeria or something older...?

I dunno. I was thinking Igbo because they had a form of of government that was unique in ancient Africa, direct democracy. But Nigeria works too. I like older civs though.

I was figuring, that if you guys have Yemen in Civ Gold, why not Oman? Here is some basic information.

Leader: Sultan Qaboos-Industrious,Financial
UU: some type of warship
UB:?
Cities:Muscat
Suhar
Al-Ghubra
Ibri
Izki
Al-Wajajah
Sur
As Sib
Khasab
Fahud
Salalah
Alashkharah

Sorry I did not put enough info, I'll do a bit of research later and I'll get back to you.

Guaraní was one of the most important tribal groups of South America, formerly living mostly between the Uruguay and lower Paraguay Rivers in what is now Paraguay, and the Corrientes and Entre Rios Provinces of Argentina.


What about them? I would say it's(there is still members of this tribe all around Paraguay and Brazil mainly nowdays) the biggest pre-colonization tribe/civilization of south america(well, Maya and Aztec was more to central america, but yes there was also in the north of south america)..

Ok they were indians and perhaps didnt have big cities, only tribes, but 94% of the Paraguayan population talks Guarani(the language, which is official language along with spanish) and they still have a big influence in brazilian, argentinan, chilen and paraguayan(guess spelled it wrong :P) culture!

But well, they werent as advanced as Maya or aztec :P So if you dont want, np, jjust a suggestion! Check wikipedia or google! If you rhink its worthy, I can make a research in brazilian sites for you and find the required items..

what aboit Moche

i thought, how about Simon Bolivar as some kind of leader for some kind of Latin American country like Venuezuela, Columbia, or Bolivia?

he could be Protective/Charismatic or Philosophical, Organized, etc.

An unusually talented modder made an Armenia civ.;) I think it should be included in CivGold. Andranik could be the leaderhead with an editted Stalin. Here is the link. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=180994

By the way, Andranik's background should be Mount Ararat.

i thought, how about Simon Bolivar as some kind of leader for some kind of Latin American country like Venuezuela, Columbia, or Bolivia?

he could be Protective/Charismatic or Philosophical, Organized, etc.

I like this idea. I had thought, back in Civ III, to include a Bolivian civ, but something general that might spread across multiple regions.

If you had any ideas, let me know.

hmm... historically, Bolivar wasn't the leader of Bolivia... he became the leader of "Gran Columbia", now disintegrated into Venuzela, Ecuador, and some other thingies...

you know, maybe you could put hiim as leader of Venuezuela, and them put... Chavez in too (but then you'll have to put Bush in too)... but i think Venuezuela wouldn't be a bad addition. its powerful enough these days to be on OPEC...

hmm... historically, Bolivar wasn't the leader of Bolivia... he became the leader of "Gran Columbia", now disintegrated into Venuzela, Ecuador, and some other thingies...

you know, maybe you could put hiim as leader of Venuezuela, and them put... Chavez in too (but then you'll have to put Bush in too)... but i think Venuezuela wouldn't be a bad addition. its powerful enough these days to be on OPEC...

My thought was to have a civ representative of the Bolivar nations: Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Panama and Bolivia.

In addition to being the 1st president of Gran Colombia, he was 1st president of Bolivia and 2nd and 3rd president of Venezeula.

I'd like it if we could add at least one more japanese leader, it's always felt strange to me that Ieyasu Tokugawa is the only japanese leader, the easiest and probably best one would be Emperor Meiji -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Emperor (granted he wasn't totally the one in power but he is still symbolic of this fantastic period of history)

I'd say Industrious for sure and perhaps philosophical? I'd love to say creative cuz it's my favorite trait but i find it difficult to justify, possibly organized or aggressive?

just a thought i know it's a bit late now, if i ever get any time maybe i'll try to do it myself hehe

perhaps if possible then there can be a second leader for each civilization which hasn't had one.

for example:

- Inca: Pacahuti Imperialistic/Aggressive and Expansive
- Spanish: Philip II Imperialistic, Financial
- Sweden: Gustav Audolphus II Spiritual, Organized/Philosophical/Protective
- Nubia: Piye Imperialistic, Spiritual

just ot name a few

Is Denmark a civ? If not, it should be. Leader would be easily found, she would be Queen Margaret, founder of Union of Kalmar and a skillful diplomat.

i just had another idea... i suppose it could be for a very much later version, but i think it is legitimate -- Manchuria

Manchuria (as in before and during Qing dynasty) - there may be some conflict with this and China, but the Manchurians and the Qing dynasty of China were really not Chinese. they had their own culture and nation; though they pretty much assimilated into China later on.

Leader: Qianlong (greatest emperor of the dynasty, about 1730-1790 i think) Imperialistic, Financial/Organized/Charismatic
UU: Some kind of late dynastic Chinese musketman (Manchu Musketeer?), or perhaps some kind of mongoloid cavalry
UB: No idea. maybe tea shop? or something to replace the stable?

Cities: (spelling may be wrong)
Peiking
Haerbin
Shenyang
Qiqihar
Hohhot
Baotou
Xiamen
Canton
Hwangchow
Dalian

I'd like it if we could add at least one more japanese leader, it's always felt strange to me that Ieyasu Tokugawa is the only japanese leader, the easiest and probably best one would be Emperor Meiji -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Emperor (granted he wasn't totally the one in power but he is still symbolic of this fantastic period of history)

I'd say Industrious for sure and perhaps philosophical? I'd love to say creative cuz it's my favorite trait but i find it difficult to justify, possibly organized or aggressive?

just a thought i know it's a bit late now, if i ever get any time maybe i'll try to do it myself hehe

I'm almost done a decent Hirohito LH. Just need to figure out a couple of things.

perhaps if possible then there can be a second leader for each civilization which hasn't had one.

Some are on the way, including Nubia, Japan, and Khmer. It's mostly a matter of time and authors. Sevo and Amra are both too busy (Sevo is busy with his work, Amra is on hiatus).

Edgecrusher has contributed a couple of excellent ones, and I'm slowly getting a bit better at it.

Is Denmark a civ? If not, it should be. Leader would be easily found, she would be Queen Margaret, founder of Union of Kalmar and a skillful diplomat.

There is a Denmark civ, but I haven't looked at it yet.

i just had another idea... i suppose it could be for a very much later version, but i think it is legitimate -- Manchuria

I'd love to do news civs for Japan, India and China. Grouping them like this doesn't do justice to their histories.

If someone wants to take the lead on design, we could do this.

I'd love to do news civs for Japan, India and China. Grouping them like this doesn't do justice to their histories.

That'll be great... that would split each into at least ten more civs or something like that:)

Wyz, if you go for a latin american civ, then I'll vouch for Venezuela. They're the most powerful of hispanic nations today, and the region is under-represented other than the indigenous cultures.

Leader: Bolivar (philosophical, spiritual) or Chavez (aggressive, industrious)
UU: Fronteriero (frontiersmen, a branch of the military today stationed along the border with colombia)
UB: Trading center?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Venezuela for military

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Bolivar for leader

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela for info, bio, and maps of Venezuela

It makes a strong case for being a civ. Big population, strong influence in region (world also, being member of OPEC), represents under-represeted culture in civilization series. Thanks.

I always thought it would be interesting to have Luxembourg in Civ.

Civ: Luxembourg
Leader: Jean I Grand Duke of Luxembourg Fiancial, Protactive
UU: M7 LAW (Replaces SAM Infantry)
UB: Some kind of Factory with like +25% Gold

Cities:
Luxembourg City
Esch-Uelzecht
Déifferdeng
Diddeleng
Ettelbréck
Dikrech
Echternach
Rëmeleng
Wolz
Gréiwemaacher
Réimech
Veianen

how about texas republic

how about texas republic

At this time I won't have an opportunity to help out with this request. (busy with the Plug and play Modular files for CIV GOLD 4.0 and the Unique Names for the Unique Units)

When I do have the time I could help you out even though I am not so sure I agree with it I can see how you would want a Texas Republic. I think I have seen a civ already created for Texas Republic, Would you want me to get my information from there? I am not totally familar with Texas would you want To collaborate with me and make a totally brand new one? Gimme some more info for later. (what would their Unique Unit be... Unique Building... Leaders... Leader Traits... Capital and Cities... Need some unique phrases for their select/order... Diplomacy Music.. Diplomacy First contact phrase... Unique Names for their Unique Names... I might have missed something) You will need to someone to create the art for the above for things that require art. The music/sounds I can work on that is my specialty.

Remember that when you create a civ for Civ gold it has to have Pedia Entries.. Strategy Info.. Animated leaderheads.. basically it has to be as good in quality as if Firaxis themselves created it. Look for us putting it together and submitting well into the future as we are preparing for Ver 4.0 soon.

Wyz, if you go for a latin american civ, then I'll vouch for Venezuela. They're the most powerful of hispanic nations today, and the region is under-represented other than the indigenous cultures.

Hi A-Rod_NY,

We'll be adding another South American civs in 4.0, but I think it'll be representative of all the Bolivar countries - Panama, Venzuela, Bolivia, Colombia.

The decision to make is what to call it:

- Bolivian Empire
- Venezuelan Empire
- Colombian empire

I always thought it would be interesting to have Luxembourg in Civ.

Civ: Luxembourg
Leader: Jean I Grand Duke of Luxembourg Fiancial, Protactive
UU: M7 LAW (Replaces SAM Infantry)
UB: Some kind of Factory with like +25% Gold

Not against this at all, but I'm afraid it would be down the line sometime.

how about texas republic

As above, it would have to be down the line. But at this time, I'm not sure I see it as a good fit with the Gold concept.

- Bolivian Empire
- Venezuelan Empire
- Colombian empire

I was actually going to suggest something like Latin American Union

I thought it was strange that every "Civ" was called an empire, when in reality it doesnt have to be called such.

For example im preparing to rename the Hunnic empire the Hunnic Horde, as i renamed the Iroquois Empire the Iroquois Nation.

etc....

on a side note, i was preparing an "add-on" for civ gold wtih many many more traits, trying to limit the leaderheads to 2 per a combination. I wont have it ready anytime soon, but Im working on it if your interested.

For example im preparing to rename the Hunnic empire the Hunnic Horde, as i renamed the Iroquois Empire the Iroquois Nation.

I like this idea. Doing a add-on mod for Gold might be something to think about. :) BTW, I think the most relevant historical term for Iroquois would be the "Iroquois Confederacy".

on a side note, i was preparing an "add-on" for civ gold wtih many many more traits, trying to limit the leaderheads to 2 per a combination. I wont have it ready anytime soon, but Im working on it if your interested.

I'm interested. Would be a great add-on! I'm not as concerned with restricting replication as I am about being a bit broader in scope to allow for greater historical accuracy.

What about a civilization base on the Republic of Haiti? While not a major player currently, it was big news when the African slaves revolted against the French colonial rule, back when they were the colony of Saint-Dominique (this happened in 1790,) they defeated the French and declared the second Republic in the New World, they went on to defend their Republic from the English and Spanish. Eventually conquering the whole island of Hispaniola. Sadly this revolution has been mostly forgotten by Western historians, you may have to dig a bit to uncover the full story.

Leader and Suggested Traits:
1: Toussaint L’Ouverture – Protective/creative
2: Jean Jacques Dessalines – Aggressive/organized

Unique Unit and Suggested Replacement:
Haitian Brigade (Strength 10, Movement 2, Cost 80, Special Abilities Guerilla II. replaces Musketman

Unique Building and Suggested Replacement
I’m not so sure about this one. The country is very poor, and agriculture remains very important, so perhaps a granary or grocer, perhaps incorporating the Voudoun or Voodoo tradition, like the Apothecary for the Persian Empire.

Cities:
1: Port-au-Prince (capital)
2: Cap-Haïtien
3: Carrefour
4: Croix-des-Bouquets
5: Delmas
6: Desarmes
7: Desdunes
8: Dessalines
9: Fond-Parisien
10: Fort-Liberté

i think it has been discussed before, but i was just wondering if CivGold will sơn include any of the ancient mediterranean civs, e.g., the minoans, trojans, etc.

Amra did a great Trojan civ, and I was pretty much planning to steal that from him. :)

I'd love to do news civs for Japan, India and China. Grouping them like this doesn't do justice to their histories.

If someone wants to take the lead on design, we could do this.

Thats good news! I am always short of Asian Civs leader heads when building historical scenarios.

I am willing to help if you need help on background research on those civs, such as civ's description, city list, leaders etc.

Thats good news! I am always short of Asian Civs leader heads when building historical scenarios.

I am willing to help if you need help on background research on those civs, such as civ's description, city list, leaders etc.

We'll be adding 5 ancient Asian civs:

Harappan (Pakistan/India)
Oxus (Turkmenistan)
Vedic (India)
Yangshao (China)
Jomon (Japan)

If you want to take a crack at pedia entries for those, that would be great. Please use wikipedia as a starting point, and take a look at existing Gold entries for format, length, etc.

Thanks!

We'll be adding 5 ancient Asian civs:

Harappan (Pakistan/India)
Oxus (Turkmenistan)
Vedic (India)
Yangshao (China)
Jomon (Japan)

If you want to take a crack at pedia entries for those, that would be great. Please use wikipedia as a starting point, and take a look at existing Gold entries for format, length, etc.

Thanks!

I am happy to do that, but can I make suggestion to the selection of the civs first?

As a native Chinese and history buff, I am certain that Yangshao is not really a name of a civilization. It is a name of a modern town that some ancient ruin was found in there. Chinese civilization is the direct descendant of Yangshao culture, so making it a seperate civ sounds really strange to me. Similarly for Vedic and Jomon, they are just a name of an ancient period of Indian and Japanese correspondingly. Harappan is ok because it is an extincted civ and I am not too familiar with Oxus.

I would suggest the following list as an alternative for your consideration:

Yuezhi/Kushan (Central Asia)
Harappan (West India/Pakistan)
Tamil (South India)
Bengali (East India)
Yue (Southern China)
Manchuria (North Eastern China)

I think this list covers Asia better geographically, together with the existing civs.

Extra leaderhead could be consider, however, for Chinese, Indian and Japanese to cover those period that you suggested. And it is after all your call, so please let me know what you think and I am still happy to help if you for any reason would like to use your original list of civs.

I'd like to request Yugoslavia:
Leader: Tito (charismatic, financial), favourite civic: State Property
http://www.bpb.de/cache/images/VRJBLN_160x200.jpg
Unique Building: Collectivized Factory (replaces factory; I'm not sure about its properties)
Unique Unit: AVNOJ Partisan (replaces SAM Infantry with a guerilla promotion)

How about the Cherokee Nation?

Leaders: Yonaguska (Spiritual, Protective); Kooweskoowe (Organized, Protective)

UB: Reservation (replaces courthouse; increased culture)
UU: Cherokee Warrior (replaces warrior with a medic promotion)

Added Great Scientist: Seqoya
Added Warlord Names: Junaluska, Nancy Ward

How about the Cherokee Nation?

Leaders: Yonaguska (Spiritual, Protective); Kooweskoowe (Organized, Protective)

UB: Reservation (replaces courthouse; increased culture)
UU: Cherokee Warrior (replaces warrior with a medic promotion)

Added Great Scientist: Seqoya
Added Warlord Names: Junaluska, Nancy Ward

The Cherokee will be part of the upcoming Aniyonega Empire, which includes the Seminoles and other southeastern civs.

I'd like to request Yugoslavia:
Leader: Tito (charismatic, financial), favourite civic: State Property
http://www.bpb.de/cache/images/VRJBLN_160x200.jpg
Unique Building: Collectivized Factory (replaces factory; I'm not sure about its properties)
Unique Unit: AVNOJ Partisan (replaces SAM Infantry with a guerilla promotion)

Definite future possibility.

I would like to request more Unique units, or more units in general. I love CIV Gold and everything that it has, but I recently downloaded a Fantasy mod (Jaoenese Mythology for those wondering) anyway it hads like 50 new units on it, which was very cool in terms of the war mechanic, you could actually build a divers army instead of 20 Trebuchets, and 15 Macemen. I am not sure how much work that would be but I think that would be great to diversifie (spelled wrong I know) the units.

Example, you could have Samurai, Samurai Archer, Samurai Longbowman, Samurai Spearman, like in the Japanese mod I played.

Just a thought, hope you could do this.

Double post, so sorry

It would be so cool if Denmark was added as a playable civ. I saw a mod with Denmark, but didnt really like it (possibly because the leader wasnt animated ;) )

Denmark (Danish Empire)
Suggested leaders (with suggested traits):
Margaret I (Organized and Protective/Spiritual)
Should definately be a leader for Denmark.

Gorm the Old (Spiritual and Protective)
Christian IV (Financial and Industrious)
King Canute the Great (Aggresive and Protective)
Could be fun to have the disastrous Christian IV as a second leader :D

Starting Techs:
Hunting and Fishing

Unique Unit:
Longboat (replace either trireme or caravel, cant remember if caravels can enter oceans)
Gains an extra movement point, and can enter ocean.
The vikings were skilled explorers, discovering parts of north america before columbus was even born. Could be that this unit is a little too "viking" for a pure danish civ though.

Berserker could also be too "viking" for Denmark.

For a more modern unit, maybe Home Guards will do? I have no idea!

Any ideas on other unique units?

Unique Building:
Amusement Park (dont know which building to replace)
Considering Denmark has the oldest amusement parks in the world, this could be interesting. "Tivoli" could be a great wonder? ;)

I was actually considering Danish Bakeries as a unique building, but it just sounds too stupid :D

Burial Mounds is another option, as well as, perhabs, Runestones, which is also closely related to the vikings.

Any ideas on other unique buildings?

Cities:
Copenhagen or Hedeby as founding city (Copenhagen for more modern Denmark, Hedeby for ancient Denmark)
Ribe
Aarhus
Roskilde
Aalborg
Naestved
Odense
Esbjerg
Holbaek
Kalundborg
Koge
Helsingor
Vejle
Kolding
Randers
Horsens
Fredericia
Aabenraa

Cant think on anything else right now. The color should be red, and the flag should be either dannebrog (the national flag) or three crowns perhabs?

Dont flame me, I really dont know a lot about danish history!

- Aedan

Did you think about addition of Czechia (Kingdom of Bohemia/ Czechoslovakia/ Czech Republic)? You can have a look in the one that I made many months before. Here it is. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=143788) Add Czechs to CIV Gold please. Thanks

Did you think about addition of Czechia (Kingdom of Bohemia/ Czechoslovakia/ Czech Republic)? You can have a look in the one that I made many months before. Here it is. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=143788) Add Czechs to CIV Gold please. Thanks

You might hate this suggestion, but what do you think of adding Czechoslovakia as an Empire?

I don't hate it, I agree. My opinion is that Czechs and Slovaks are one nation divided under the rule of Austria and Hungary and the Czechoslovak Empire would be even better than separate Czechia and Slovakia. The time of the first Czechoslovak Republic (1918-1938) was the age of the biggest prosperity in our history and we were practically one of the powers of the world. But it's true some Czechs and Slovaks could disagree with the Czechoslovakia as one state (minority I hope).
The first leader is clear - T.G. Masaryk, but I don't know who would be second, maybe Vaclav Havel (1989-92 president of Czechoslovakia, 1993-2003 Czech president).
UU can be Czechoslovak Legions (Czech and Slovak volunteer armed forces fighting together with the Entente powers during World War I) instead of Infantry and UB Pivovar (it's Czech and Slovak word for brewery) instead of Grocer.
List of 76 Czech and Slovak cities and towns (according to the number of inhabitants presently):

Praha (Prague)
Bratislava
Brno
Ostrava
Kosice
Plzen
Olomouc
Liberec
Ceske Budejovice
Hradec Kralove
Usti nad Labem
Presov
Pardubice
Nitra
Zilina
Havirov
Banska Bystrica
Zlin
Kladno
Trnava
Most
Karvina
Frydek-Mistek
Opava
Martin
Trencin
Poprad
Karlovy Vary
Decin
Prievidza
Chomutov
Teplice
Jihlava
Prerov
Prostejov
Jablonec nad Nisou
Mlada Boleslav
Zvolen
Povazska Bystrica
Nove Zamky
Michalovce
Ceska Lipa
Trinec
Trebic
Spisska Nova Ves
Komarno
Tabor
Levice
Pribram
Znojmo
Humenne
Orlova
Bardejov
Liptovsky Mikulas
Cheb
Trutnov
Kolin
Ruzomberok
Piestany
Pisek
Sumperk
Vsetin
Kromeriz
Topolcany
Lucenec
Hodonin
Valasske Mezirici
Litvinov
Novy Jicin
Uherske Hradiste
Breclav
Cadca
Dubnica nad Vahom
Cesky Tesin
Krnov
Sokolov

Okay, I'll see what I can do.

If you want to see this make the cut for version 4.0 (due at the end of the month), there are some things you can help with. :)

Let me know if you're interested.

And what about denmark? :)

And what about denmark? :)

That can be accommodate. But as BORNAparte did, you have to pitch in and give me a hand.

PM me if you're up to it.

Batavii civ, the germanic/celtic tribe that inhabbited the Rhine land of the Netherlands during the Roman empire, and the people with a revolution that almost made the Roman empire fall. (300 years before it actually fell) but they didn't come that far because the Gauls didn't trust them.

Flag: there is no flag known of them, but I think a red banner with a black aries in the middle would suit them.

Techs:Hunting, Fishing

Colour: Red

Leader: Gaius Iulius Civilis (protective, organized)

UU: Alae Miliaria (replaces horse archer)
should look like a Praetorian riding a horse
+ 1 move & Amphibious promotion

UB: Something with water or horses

Only the latin name of the cities remained, but hey, it'll work out.

Capital: Oppidum Batavorum

Cities: Mosa Trajectum
Trier (yes, at a certain point it was Batavian)
Traiectum
Flevum
Albanianis
Coriovallum
Feresnes
Blariaco
Forum Hadriani
Burungum
Colonia Agrippensia
Vetera
Tungrorum
Calo
Carvium
Lauri
Pullum
Fletione
Castra Herculis
Grinnibus

I'm not against a Batavii civ, but I had them included as a Barb/Minor civs (with some plans for them, if we can make it work ;)).

I'm not against a Batavii civ, but I had them included as a Barb/Minor civs (with some plans for them, if we can make it work ;)).

Well atleast they're in someway :D :D

Well atleast they're in someway :D :D

With the information you have given here i might add them to my list of civs to create. Atleast then if they are created you can play them untill WYZ adds them to civGOLD, and it takes some pressure off when and IF he diecides to create them. If you could pm me with more specific information about them I could get to work on them soon ;)

If you want to see this make the cut for version 4.0 (due at the end of the month), there are some things you can help with.

I don't know if anything has gone forward on this, but if you still want some help getting the Czechoslovak Empire off the ground and can use the services of someone with no coding skills whatsoever, I can pitch in.

Batavii civ, the germanic/celtic tribe that inhabbited the Rhine land of the Netherlands during the Roman empire, and the people with a revolution that almost made the Roman empire fall. (300 years before it actually fell) but they didn't come that far because the Gauls didn't trust them.

Flag: there is no flag known of them, but I think a red banner with a black aries in the middle would suit them.

Techs:Hunting, Fishing

Colour: Red

Leader: Gaius Iulius Civilis (protective, organized)

UU: Alae Miliaria (replaces horse archer)
should look like a Praetorian riding a horse
+ 1 move & Amphibious promotion

UB: Something with water or horses

Only the latin name of the cities remained, but hey, it'll work out.

Capital: Oppidum Batavorum

Cities: Mosa Trajectum
Trier (yes, at a certain point it was Batavian)
Traiectum
Flevum
Albanianis
Coriovallum
Feresnes
Blariaco
Forum Hadriani
Burungum
Colonia Agrippensia
Vetera
Tungrorum
Calo
Carvium
Lauri
Pullum
Fletione
Castra Herculis
Grinnibus


Good news Pay-t I'm currently working on a Bavatii civ. I doubt Wyz will include them, but atleast you can play as them.:D It should be done in a week or 2 so keep an eye on the new civs forum :mischief:

Cheers
Aranor

Well atleast they're in someway :D :D

Well the Batavii civ is done for you pay-t follow this link and check it out ;) http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5367600#post5367600

If given approval and it meets CIV GOLDS requirements.... I have no problems programming this in for this release WYZ. It is only taking me about 1 hour/civ now.

And frankly I love it... IMHO

If given approval and it meets CIV GOLDS requirements.... I have no problems programming this in for this release WYZ. It is only taking me about 1 hour/civ now.

And frankly I love it... IMHO

You might as well set it up for Plug-n-Play. (I'll email you some thoughts on this, overall)

As for including it in Gold, let's look at time. Certainly not fundamentally against it.

You might as well set it up for Plug-n-Play. (I'll email you some thoughts on this, overall)

As for including it in Gold, let's look at time. Certainly not fundamentally against it.

While I have no issue with you including it to your list of included civs. I know what kind of time crunch you guys are under. So I'd vote to exclude it until a later release.:mischief:

Well the Batavii civ is done for you pay-t follow this link and check it out ;) http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5367600#post5367600

Thanks alot, I am currently testing it out. Thanks for all your help:goodjob: :goodjob:

Looks beatifull by the way

I don't know if anything has gone forward on this, but if you still want some help getting the Czechoslovak Empire off the ground and can use the services of someone with no coding skills whatsoever, I can pitch in.

Czech-Slovak Empire is in, and I think we should be okay for info. But thanks for the offer - I may come back to you on it.

Czech-Slovak Empire is in, and I think we should be okay for info. But thanks for the offer - I may come back to you on it.

No trouble--happy to help out on my favorite Mod!

Other leaders e.g
Woodrow Wilson-America
Robert Walpole-England (First Prime Minister)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Walpole
and maybe William the Conqueror (France or Britian)

Caribs (native American Caribbean people)
Leader: I dunno
Cities: Probably gonna have to resort to naming individual islands as cities. Dominica should be the capital though.

^ For this one we might have to do some researching.
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Mexico
Leaders: Possibly Santa Ana
Cities:
Mexico City
Monterrey
Merida
Cancun
Guadalajara
Puebla
Toluca
Tijuana
Leon
Ciudad Juárez
Torreón

To name a few. List can be easily expanded. I don't know much about mexico (other then vacation spots :D ) So i don't know what should be the unique building and unit.
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Bulgaria
Leader: Any ideas?
Unique Building/unit: Any ideas?
Cities: (in alphabetical Order)
* Aytos
* Asenovgrad
* Blagoevgrad
* Botevgrad
* Burgas
* Dimitrovgrad
* Dobrich
* Dupnitsa
* Elena
* Gabrovo
* Gorna Oryahovitsa
* Gotse Delchev
* Harmanli
* Haskovo
* Karlovo
* Karnobat
* Kazanlak
* Kardzhali
* Kyustendil
* Lom
* Lovech
* Montana
* Nova Zagora
* Pazardzhik
* Pernik
* Peshtera
* Petrich
* Pleven
* Plovdiv
* Razgrad
* Rousse
* Samokov
* Sandanski
* Sevlievo
* Shumen
* Silistra
* Sliven
* Smolyan
* Sofia
* Stara Zagora
* Svishtov
* Targovishte
* Troyan
* Varna
* Veliko Tarnovo
* Velingrad
* Vidin
* Vratsa
* Yambol
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It might be interesting to be the barbarians, (except you actually expand/do everything else like other civs)
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Yugoslavia: (will include all former yugoslavian countries)
Leader: Tito (i geuss)
Unique Building/unit: I'll research sometime soon
Cities: I can put it togather easily but not enough time to now. Seriously i may be lazy but any one of you can do it easily)
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Basque
Leader: Hard to chose as most basque politicians and generals etc worked for spain or france. We can find one.
Cities: I'll just find a basque city list.
Unique Building/unit: Gotta research this to.
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I noticed the Hittites aren't on. i know nothing about them though.
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Switzerland:
Leader: Going through the list.
Unique Building: A bank?
Unique Unit: i have a good book on swiss history i'm researching right now.
Cities:
1.Bern
2.Zürich
3.Geneva
4.Lausanne
5.Basel
6.Lucerne
7.Winterthur
8.Biel
9.Chur
10.Lugano
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South Africa:
Leader: Any suggestions?
Unique Building/Unit: dunno yet.
Cities: Get south african city list.
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Just and idea but Sri Lanka?
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Olmecs
Leader: No clue at all
Unique Building/unit No clue
Cities: No clue
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A Central Asian Civ
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Myanmar/Burma also would be a possibility.
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And so i end my post with this list:
Caribs
Mexico
Bulgaria
Yugoslavia
Basques
Switzerland
South Africa
Olmecs
A Central Asian Civ
Myanmar/burma

Caribs --> not in (maybe future)
Mexico --> in 4.0
Bulgaria --> in 4.0
Yugoslavia --> not in
Basques --> not in
Switzerland --> not in
South Africa --> in 4.0
Olmecs --> in 4.0
A Central Asian Civ --> many new ones in 4.0
Myanmar/burma --> not in

Ok one i foregot is Kurdistan.

Oh and can you update the Welcome page and put in the new civs that are in 4.0 as a future reference?

There will be more civ's possibally added even after the inital release of civ gold 4.0... Inital release may put the CIV total over 100 CIV's.... but again the nice thing is.... Civ gold 4.0 is modular... a new civ may be added by just giving you a new folder to add to your existing collection.

Maybe it's an idea to put the Austria-Hungary empire in it as well. They played a significant role in our more recent history (like the beginning of First World War). I know they're already in the game seperate but still..
A more older civ could be the Venetians. They played a very important role as a trading nation in the middle ages. UU could be the legendary Venetian Galley that was found in the delta of Venice recently. It was the first known trading ship that had soldiers on board.
Because I study history I will check my books on some interresting civs. Would be more than happy to come with some idea's :)

Agnello Participazio would be the most logical leader because he established trade routes by sea and made the city how it looks today. The only problem with this civ are the cities, because its kind of like a city state. I however found some cities that were under venetian control for several century's.
Capital: Venice
Zara
Spalato
Ragusa
Verona
Padua
Treviso
Bergamo

The civs leader should be Expansive/Financial

I also found some articles about a civ called the Garamantes. It was a tribe that lived in modern day Libya.
The Garamantes constructed a network of underground tunnels and shafts to mine the fossil water from under the limestone layer under the desert sand. In that way they were able to construct a form of agriculture. According to scipts from herodotus and Roman generals the Garamantian empire was on it's high point around the year 150 when then empire stretched out to modern nigeria. The empire eventually fell because they ran out of water.
The remains of this civ where the last Christian civ in the North of Africa before becomming part of the Ottoman Empire around the year 668.
I could only find 5mayor city names, allthough there should be much more barried under the Sahara surface.
the capital: Gamara (modern Germa)
Zinchecra
Uan Muhuggiag (known for the 'black mummy')
Gasr esc-Scheraba
Saniat Gebril

Civs leader should be Tacfarinas, allthough he's from Nubian descent he commanded the Garamantian people in raids, and eventually war, against the roman empire. He should be Aggressive, Financial.

UU should be the Garamtian Chariot (they copied it from the Egyptians which they where closely related to). They used this chariot for 'hunting' Ethiopians.

I think this would be the first time that the Garamantes are in a game, because this remarkable ancient desert civilization is only known since excavations in 2004 :) They're also know as 'the Kingdom of the Sands'

starting techs should be pottery and agriculture

Maybe it's an idea to put the Austria-Hungary empire in it as well. They played a significant role in our more recent history (like the beginning of First World War). I know they're already in the game seperate but still..
A more older civ could be the Venetians. They played a very important role as a trading nation in the middle ages. UU could be the legendary Venetian Galley that was found in the delta of Venice recently. It was the first known trading ship that had soldiers on board.
Because I study history I will check my books on some interresting civs. Would be more than happy to come with some idea's :)

Austria and Hungary are both in already as separate civs.

Austria and Hungary are both in already as separate civs.

I know, sad it already, but a combination of those two civs would look more logical. Combined they have a pretty interesting past.
what do you think of the venetian civ by the way?

what do you think of the venetian civ by the way?

Not a bad idea considering the history. It won't make the 4.0 cut, though, but we can revisit it after the next expansion.

How about Numidia?

Existed from 202 BC - 25 BC- still traces after Roman, Vandal and Arab conquest. Was allied to Carthage and supplied them with mercenaires. Was a free state until capture by the Roman Empire.

Leader: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massinissa (Masinissa) (Agressive, philisophical)

Cities:
Cirta
Lambaesis
Thamugadi
Vescera
Gemellae
Zarai
Caspa
Thugga
Bulla Regia
Hippo Regius
Mulucha
Madauros

UU: Javelin thrower (replaces spearman)
UB: Possibly something to replace the stable.

Info links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numidia
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/ballard/168/nimble.html#-- info on people, military, etc.

Hope it's good enough.

~Hiram.

How about Numidia?

Existed from 202 BC - 25 BC- still traces after Roman, Vandal and Arab conquest. Was allied to Carthage and supplied them with mercenaires. Was a free state until capture by the Roman Empire.

Leader: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massinissa (Masinissa) (Agressive, philisophical)

Cities:
Cirta
Lambaesis
Thamugadi
Vescera
Gemellae
Zarai
Caspa
Thugga
Bulla Regia
Hippo Regius
Mulucha
Madauros

UU: Javelin thrower (replaces spearman)
UB: Possibly something to replace the stable.

Info links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numidia
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/ballard/168/nimble.html#-- info on people, military, etc.

Hope it's good enough.

~Hiram.


Numidia is a good idea, and I believe someone has already created a cool Masinissa leaderhead. The only issue is that Firaxis uses Numidian Cavalry as the Carthage UU.

Numidia is a good idea, and I believe someone has already created a cool Masinissa leaderhead. The only issue is that Firaxis uses Numidian Cavalry as the Carthage UU.


That was on my mind, though I read up on them and apparently they were also known for having Javelins as their main infantry weapon, thus I chose Javelin thrower as an appropriate UU. The unit animation could be re-skinned off a Petalst, which I think someone has created.

~Hiram.

That was on my mind, though I read up on them and apparently they were also known for having Javelins as their main infantry weapon, thus I chose Javelin thrower as an appropriate UU. The unit animation could be re-skinned off a Petalst, which I think someone has created.

~Hiram.

Infact many of the North African people used Javalins and light skrimish styles of warfare as heavier infatry was not practical in the heat of the Desert. Interestingly enough they did not use many archers as the dry heat from the desert shortened the life of the bows as they became brittle from the exposure hense the reason why the used javalins.

P.S If no one wants to create Numidia soon I will take it up and add it to my list of civs to create. It is also on my list for expansions of the EBCIV project so creating it now will give us a head start!

Caribs (native American Caribbean people)
Leader: I dunno
Cities: Probably gonna have to resort to naming individual islands as cities. Dominica should be the capital though.

^ For this one we might have to do some researching.
--------------------
Mexico
Leaders: Possibly Santa Ana
Cities:
Mexico City
Monterrey
Merida
Cancun
Guadalajara
Puebla
Toluca
Tijuana
Leon
Ciudad Juárez
Torreón

To name a few. List can be easily expanded. I don't know much about mexico (other then vacation spots :D ) So i don't know what should be the unique building and unit.
---------------------
Bulgaria
Leader: Any ideas?
Unique Building/unit: Any ideas?
Cities: (in alphabetical Order)
* Aytos
* Asenovgrad
* Blagoevgrad
* Botevgrad
* Burgas
* Dimitrovgrad
* Dobrich
* Dupnitsa
* Elena
* Gabrovo
* Gorna Oryahovitsa
* Gotse Delchev
* Harmanli
* Haskovo
* Karlovo
* Karnobat
* Kazanlak
* Kardzhali
* Kyustendil
* Lom
* Lovech
* Montana
* Nova Zagora
* Pazardzhik
* Pernik
* Peshtera
* Petrich
* Pleven
* Plovdiv
* Razgrad
* Rousse
* Samokov
* Sandanski
* Sevlievo
* Shumen
* Silistra
* Sliven
* Smolyan
* Sofia
* Stara Zagora
* Svishtov
* Targovishte
* Troyan
* Varna
* Veliko Tarnovo
* Velingrad
* Vidin
* Vratsa
* Yambol
------------------------
It might be interesting to be the barbarians, (except you actually expand/do everything else like other civs)
------------------------
Yugoslavia: (will include all former yugoslavian countries)
Leader: Tito (i geuss)
Unique Building/unit: I'll research sometime soon
Cities: I can put it togather easily but not enough time to now. Seriously i may be lazy but any one of you can do it easily)
------------------------
Basque
Leader: Hard to chose as most basque politicians and generals etc worked for spain or france. We can find one.
Cities: I'll just find a basque city list.
Unique Building/unit: Gotta research this to.
-----------------------
I noticed the Hittites aren't on. i know nothing about them though.
-----------------------
Switzerland:
Leader: Going through the list.
Unique Building: A bank?
Unique Unit: i have a good book on swiss history i'm researching right now.
Cities:
1.Bern
2.Zürich
3.Geneva
4.Lausanne
5.Basel
6.Lucerne
7.Winterthur
8.Biel
9.Chur
10.Lugano
-----------------------
South Africa:
Leader: Any suggestions?
Unique Building/Unit: dunno yet.
Cities: Get south african city list.
-----------------------
Just and idea but Sri Lanka?
-----------------------
Olmecs
Leader: No clue at all
Unique Building/unit No clue
Cities: No clue
-----------------------
A Central Asian Civ
----------------------
Myanmar/Burma also would be a possibility.
-----------------------
And so i end my post with this list:
Caribs
Mexico
Bulgaria
Yugoslavia
Basques
Switzerland
South Africa
Olmecs
A Central Asian Civ
Myanmar/burma


How about Uyghurs , Hsiung-nu , tartar or Kazakh

How about Uyghurs , Hsiung-nu , tartar or Kazakh

Uyghurs are already planned for inclusion, as are the Buryats, Kush, Baktrians, Harappan, Vedics and Oxus - all from Central/East Asia, and the Yanghsao from China, Ainu and Jomon from Japan.

Guaraní was one of the most important tribal groups of South America, formerly living mostly between the Uruguay and lower Paraguay Rivers in what is now Paraguay, and the Corrientes and Entre Rios Provinces of Argentina..

Coming back to this after several months - the Guarani are in 4.0, but as the Tupi. (Tupi-Guarani family). This may not be exactly what you were thinking, but hopefully it's close.

TheLastOne36, I already created a Basque civilization, which you can find a link to in my signature. Yugoslavia was so short-lived and insignificant it doesn't warrant being released in CIV Gold, especially since many of the countries that it was comprised of are already present.

Manchuria , Taiwan , Tibet , Siam

Manchuria , Taiwan , Tibet , Siam

Tibet and Siam are already in. You should probably check out the full list before requesting. :)

Manchuria may make it in future versions, as there is an excellent Manchuria civ currently available. I'll look into Taiwan for a future release, but am not sure.

Taiwan would be an excellent civilization.
Maybe as Formosa?
It would make for good scenarios.

I'd like to request Venezuela Alone with Simon Bolivar as well. If that is possible could you please do that?

plz, kaingang civilization :)

The Kaingangs (if they weren't a Empire don't will me that'll lie -.-")
Kaingang Lands (nothing more original....)
Kaingang (o rly? :p)

The kaingangs are indians that live in the brazilians states of São Paulo, Paraná, Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul, with the biggest concentration in Rio Grande do Sul, and a part of the Misiones in Argentina. In the past, the kaingangs had a very big territory around these parts of Brazil and Argentina. They just were "discovered" by the european people (read: portugueses) in 1812! Imagine, Pedro Álvares Cabral "discovered" Brazil in 1500 and the kaingangs just were "discovered" in 1812...

There's no MOD about the kaingangs, so let's go:
Leader: Nicafin. Trates: Expansive/Spiritual.

The techs that they starts can be Mysticism and Fishing.

UU: Ngoi (replaces Galley, 4 movement)

UB: Rê (replaces Colosseum, +1 health (and the benefices of the Colosseum), and the cost is 80.

Cities: (I get some kaingang words that I found on Kaingang Portal and put here :))
Capital: Caigangue (no, this is just kaingang in portuguese, was difficult choose a word to be a capital)
Gufã
Kyrũ
Quati
Mĩg
Krãng
Huri
Prũ
Kukrũ
Vẽnhvó
Tĩ
Kofá
Pỹn
Ihn
Tug
Ma
Mba
Vyn
Gój
Pó Tỹ
Ti Jóg Mỹ
Goj Ki
NH' (isn't a word, it's a letter, but I though was cool put here)
Erexim
Goio
Bango
Aran
Bangue
Condá
Chagú
Dorim
Crim
Virí
Chimbangue

duh! i forgot the images of refference!
well, I don't know how Nicafin looks like, but I think that he looks like this picture:
http://www.fozdoiguacu.pr.gov.br/turismo/ing/atrativos/lenda/foto.jpg
his background can be this:
http://www.cynthia.boxerman.co.uk/images/Iguacu%20Falls%20(23).JPG
Iguaçu Falls! :) Or this:
http://pedraapedra.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/Floresta.jpg

the unique unit... hm...
http://www.mandragore2.net/dico/lexique2/navires2/jangada-2-gd.jpg
just need to look more ancient LOL

unique building... oh..
http://br.geocities.com/terrabrasileira/povos/armazem.jpg
Just the little house...

the flag can be a green leaf! ^^


don't worry now, I finally finished, tnx :p

I will look into this, thanks!

For 4.0, both the Tupi and Yanomami will be included.

Oh my. Now I found a list with really names of kaingang villages (tupis, kaingangs and all brazilian indians don't live in cities... well, now some live, but are brazilian cities :p) -.-"

I will look into this, thanks!

For 4.0, both the Tupi and Yanomami will be included.

cool, thanks, if you need help with civilopedia (tupis, kaingangs, yanomamis or every civilization), here we go! :D
did you make that voices? that when you is playing as spain, for example, the unit says something in spanish? :mischief:

Anything happening with the NZ civ request?

Anything happening with the NZ civ request?

It's in. Helen Clarke will be the leader.

Ah cool, thanks.

Ah cool, thanks.

Can you suggest a UU/UB?

oh, i have a question. will Vietnam be getting an additional leader?

oh, i have a question. will Vietnam be getting an additional leader?

Who are you suggesting?

Could please anybody make a mod with only aztecs, mayas and incas?
I mean a mod with only three civs? thanks, I do appreciate it.

oh, i have a question. will Vietnam be getting an additional leader?

Yeah - maybe 2. :) I'd like to add one from Amra's pack and maybe one from yours. We'll see, though. Only because my plate's so damn full that adding 3rd leaders may be a bit down the line.

Could please anybody make a mod with only aztecs, mayas and incas?
I mean a mod with only three civs? thanks, I do appreciate it.

That will be possible with the Play-n-Play system. Stay tuned for details. In the meantime, download CIV Gold 3.0, and in the XML you can edit it so it make the other civs non-playable.

(the easier method is just to setup a custom game with just those three civs)

Yeah - maybe 2. :) I'd like to add one from Amra's pack and maybe one from yours. We'll see, though. Only because my plate's so damn full that adding 3rd leaders may be a bit down the line.

one from mine??? wow, i feel proud. :) if you even bother to, i wouldn't mind lending my work... heh, but Trung sisters would be nice.

Who are you suggesting?

Trung sisters, who else?

Can you suggest a UU/UB?

Well, copied from the thread:

UU:

Diggers: WWI infantry named thus for their ability in entrenching and defending, so perhaps a hills bonus

NZ Lav III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NZLAV.jpg): Modern era Light armoured, anti-personal vehicle. Can reach speed of 109km/h so perhaps a movement bonus and anti-infantry.

UB:

Something to do with intensive farming (bonus to food output and commerce) (represents 1900-1980s),

A 'Shore Station' (Bonus to coastal production) Whaling and Sealing) could also be good (represents pre 1800s-1850s.

Nature Reserve (bonus to health and happiness - Represents 1960s-today)

NZ doesn't really have anything too distinctive as a generic ever present building archetype.

If you ever integrated with total realism and needed Great units and stuff I could probably help there as well :P

Renaissance Italy? I think there is a mod posted in New Civs.

maybe the mighty west african kingdom of benin might be a prospect for future addition because if you think about it the zulus were a small kingdom without a stable form of government, unlike larger benin(not to be confused with the country) which had an oba and council of chiefs and many foreign relations, and whos brass carvings are known throughout the world even to today. It was and still is(altough part of nigeria) situated in southwestern nigeria. and the culture fluorished from 800 a.d. to the present day where the kingdom is still intact although not nearly as powerful as before. The leaderheads for Esigie and Idiah can be based on theire famous bronze carvings. An alright leaderhead for Ewuare and general information are availible from civ army's benin mod but the cities UU are highly inaccurate and are intertwined with the neighboring Oyo empire. was a famous native doctor's house and meeting place for elders and the oba himself where important deliberations were made.


civ name: Kingdom of Benin
leader 1: Oba Ewuare the Great (Aggresive, Imperialistic)
leader 2:Oba Esigie (Creative, Imperialistic)
leader 3: Iyoba Idia (Aggresive, Protective)
UU: Owodo's hunter(scout) plus 50% movement in forest. woodsman 1 promotion?
UB:Urhokpota(courthouse) plus 2 culture, 1 health
cities: Benin City(capital)
Ughoton
Uselu
Use
Uhe
Egor
Ehor
Onitsha
Owo
Akure
Eko
Ego
Oka
Ihimwirin

maybe the mighty west african kingdom of benin might be a prospect for future addition because if you think about it the zulus were a small kingdom without a stable form of government, unlike larger benin(not to be confused with the country) which had an oba and council of chiefs and many foreign relations, and whos brass carvings are known throughout the world even to today. It was and still is(altough part of nigeria) situated in southeastern nigeria. and the culture fluorished from 800 a.d. to the present day where the kingdom is still intact although not nearly as powerful as before. The leaderheads for Esigie and Idiah can be based on theire famous bronze carvings. An alright leaderhead for Ewuare and general information are availible from civ army's benin mod but the cities UU are highly inaccurate and are intertwined with the neighboring Oyo empire. was a famous native doctor's house and meeting place for elders and the oba himself where important deliberations were made.


civ name: Kingdom of Benin
leader 1: Oba Ewuare the Great (Aggresive, Imperialistic)
leader 2:Oba Esigie (Creative, Imperialistic)
leader 3: Iyoba Idia (Aggresive, Protective)
UU: Owodo's hunter(scout) plus 50% movement in forest.
UB:Urhokpota(courthouse) plus 2 culture, 1 health
cities: Benin City(capital)
Ughoton
Uselu
Use
Uhe
Egor
Ehor
Onitsha
Owo
Akure
Eko
Ego
Oka
Ihimwirin

Good idea. I thought about including Benin. West Africa will be represented in 4.0 by the Mande, Kanem-Bornu and modern Nigeria.

Good idea. I thought about including Benin. West Africa will be represented in 4.0 by the Mande, Kanem-Bornu and modern Nigeria.

Thank you. Medieval Africa was a time of riches and prosperity that isn't really too well represented, with empires like the Asante of Gold, Dahomey, Ogoni, igbo the hausa and so much more, there's a lot of potential for this area.

and for the extra information about benin:

starting tech: Mining, Hunting
civ description: Kingdom of Benin
short description: Benin
adjective: Edo or Bini
flag: (actual flag of the empire)[http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/7/7a/Benin_Kingdom_flag.png

That's an awesome flag.

That's an awesome flag.
thanks. does anybody know if there's going to be anything after civ gold 4.0?

Updates to make it compatiable with BTS

Hey guys, first of all, you did a great job!

But I've one wish, an Italian civilization, because, Rome isn't Italy!

I think that Italy is already in.

Hey, just thought I'd make a pitch for an oft-forgotten but really cool short-lived Kingdom!

Kingdom of Jerusalem, 1099-1187 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Jerusalem) (Link to Wiki)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/i_am_pellucid/Jerusalem.gif

Leader: Baldwin IV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_IV_of_Jerusalem); Aggressive & Organized. Favorite Civic: Vassalage

Unique Unit: Crusader (replaces maceman; starts with Formation; 10% withdrawal chance)
http://z.about.com/d/atheism/1/0/q/I/GermanCrusader-l.jpg
http://www.mwart.com/images/p/Decorative_Shields_The_Knights_of_J_AM808_5516.jpg
http://www.mocpages.com/user_thumbnails/matthew@galacticbrick.com/www.brickshelf.com_gallery_mattcorp_Kingdom-Of-Heaven_jerusalem_small.jpg
(The movie Kingdom of Heaven is also a good reference for unique unit costumes, but not a good reference for Baldwin's personality, haha.)

Unique Building: Templar Monastery (Replaces Bank; New melee units receive +2 experience points)

Cities: (forgive me I don't have the other civ city lists memorized so if I use one that's already in the game, please just consult the map above)
Jerusalem
Acre
Bethlehem
Ascalon
Kerak
Aylah
Sidon
Haifa
Daron
Tiberias


Anyway, I haven't figured out the mod tools for Civ4 yet so I wouldn't know where to start, I just thought I'd make the pitch and see if anyone else is interested.

So, how long until we can expect 4.0 (warlords compatible)?\

~Hiram.

So, how long until we can expect 4.0 (warlords compatible)?\

~Hiram.

It's all piecemeal deatils right now - icons, etc. Wanted it for last weekend - realistic shooting for Aug 31.

I'd like it if we could add at least one more japanese leader, it's always felt strange to me that Ieyasu Tokugawa is the only japanese leader, the easiest and probably best one would be Emperor Meiji -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Emperor (granted he wasn't totally the one in power but he is still symbolic of this fantastic period of history)

I'd say Industrious for sure and perhaps philosophical? I'd love to say creative cuz it's my favorite trait but i find it difficult to justify, possibly organized or aggressive?

just a thought i know it's a bit late now, if i ever get any time maybe i'll try to do it myself hehe


I was looking for a Meiji LH for conversion to plug and play and AFAIK no one has made any.

I'm sure there are a lot of Civvers out there who would appreciate anyone skillful enough to make the effort.

How about the Garamantes as a new civ?

Garamantes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garamantes)

Edit: I also noticed, There is no Italy in Civ Gold! i already have a city list somewhere, with only 3 city overlaps with the romans and greeks. (Rome which in my city list is "Roma" Syracuse which in my city list is "Siracusa" and Ravenna which i couldn't find a replacement so i left it out).

I also noticed, There is no Italy in Civ Gold! i already have a city list somewhere, with only 3 city overlaps with the romans and greeks. (Rome which in my city list is "Roma" Syracuse which in my city list is "Siracusa" and Ravenna which i couldn't find a replacement so i left it out). I think CIV Gold 4.0 will have Italy in it as per this post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=6297038&postcount=6).

I believe I've mentioned this somewhere else already, but the following are definitely on my wish list::

- Mughal empire, leader Akbar/Aurengzeb a.o. (Northern/Cantral India around 1600-1800 AD), UU Armored Elephant/Damascene steelcast Cannon, UB Mausoleum/variation thereof (creators of the Taj Mahal)

- Mysore, leader Tippu Sultan (Southern India, around 1790 AD), UU rocket infantry/artillery, UB "Galaxy Market" (manufacture of rockets/fireworks; I'll check the Indian name).

Civ Request: Montenegro

Yah small country, and the most recent country in the world to get independence. Pretty Cool, People would want to play it just for that :p

But also, i found out, Montenegro has some history to! Such as being the only state in the Balkans to remain independent from the Ottomans for several centuries! that's bigger then some of the other civs added in civ Gold.

I'm not sure about the details of the civ, (uu, ub, leader, leader trait, city list) but i'm sure you can find it somwhere, infact after a small search i found this:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=221840

Don't forget Kosovo :)

Simple but maybe stupid question does Civ Gold have a animated Leaderhead of Philip II of Spain and the Meiji Emperor?

Neither leader is included at the moments, but I believe someone is working on Philip II of Spain, which may find it's way in at another time.

will 4.0 be released today? I have one CD-R left, and if it won't be released I want to make a copy of HITM 1.54 to bring home.

I doubt it will be released today and I'm not sure CG 4 will fit on one CD-R anyway, because it looks it is over 1Gb already :crazyeye:

I'll note this in the status thread, but I've only had a bit of time yesterday and today to get online, so I think next week (when I get home) will have to be the release date.

I doubt it will be released today and I'm not sure CG 4 will fit on one CD-R anyway, because it looks it is over 1Gb already :crazyeye:

I hope you will be able to compress that, or use an installer, or release it in parts...Releasing something that big would not be practical and would narrow who could use it...:crazyeye:

Question : Are you guys planing for Civ gold 5

Question : Are you guys planing for Civ gold 5

Hmmmm...sort of. We have an initial expansion planned - much smaller than 3 or 4, and with a definite theme.

Am I the only one that's missing the Pirate Civ with Henry Morgan as the leader or what? I could've sworn it was in previous versions.

That must have been Amra's modpack (a BTS version is in production). We never had a Pirate civ in CIV Gold.

Indeed: Amra's BTS version will still have Pirates. Yarrr!

Am I the only one that's missing the Pirate Civ with Henry Morgan as the leader or what? I could've sworn it was in previous versions.

That must have been Amra's modpack (a BTS version is in production). We never had a Pirate civ in CIV Gold.

Indeed: Amra's BTS version will still have Pirates. Yarrr!
That's right and I'll have Anne Bonny as another Pirate leader in BtS. Things have slowed down just a bit on my modpack this week, though, as I am taking a break to help Wyz out here & do some preview images for CIV Gold. It's taking longer than I thought it would as (no surprise) there are a LOT of leaders in CIV Gold!!! :crazyeye:

That must have been Amra's modpack (a BTS version is in production). We never had a Pirate civ in CIV Gold.

Thanks, I thought I was going crazy.

Thanks, I thought I was going crazy.

Well...you still may be going crazy, but not because of that. :p

A good civilization to add might be Switzerland, you could have Adrian von Bubenberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_von_Bubenberg) as a leader, Swiss Mercenaries (pikemen) as a unique unit and the Swiss Banking System (bank) could be the unique building.

Maybe it's an idea to put the Austria-Hungary empire in it as well. They played a significant role in our more recent history (like the beginning of First World War). I know they're already in the game seperate but still..
A more older civ could be the Venetians. They played a very important role as a trading nation in the middle ages. UU could be the legendary Venetian Galley that was found in the delta of Venice recently. It was the first known trading ship that had soldiers on board.
Because I study history I will check my books on some interresting civs. Would be more than happy to come with some idea's :)

Austria- Hungary and especially Venetia would be very nice. The same for Switzerland.. one of my favourite countries :)

Since i´m atm downloading the new 4.0 version and saw Franco in it - why not also include Hitler ? Would be nice for some modern settings.. or is there an absoulte no go reason for him in Civ Gold ?

Speaking of Leaders for existing mods - how about Nero for Rome ? I think he´s one of the most interesting and well known rulers of the Empire.

well that´s just some thoughts from me, thanks anyways for this very great mod and all your work!

Austria- Hungary and especially Venetia would be very nice. The same for Switzerland.. one of my favourite countries :)

I'm considering Switzerland, as there are some good scenario options possible. Austria and Hungary are already included in 4.0 as separate civs.

Since i´m atm downloading the new 4.0 version and saw Franco in it - why not also include Hitler ? Would be nice for some modern settings.. or is there an absoulte no go reason for him in Civ Gold ?

Hitler will be available in an upcoming add-on.

Speaking of Leaders for existing mods - how about Nero for Rome ? I think he´s one of the most interesting and well known rulers of the Empire.

We are considering Nero or Caligula as an additional Roman leader.

well that´s just some thoughts from me, thanks anyways for this very great mod and all your work!

Thank you!

again, even if in vain, i request the kingdom of Benin.

Benin, that would equal Togo, right? Wasn't that already in there? Or am I being :confused: here?

No, the Kingdom of Benin is different from the Republic of Benin. The Bight of Benin is named after the kingdom and the republic is named after the Bight. The actual Kingdom of Benin originally started as a village called Ile Ibinu, and then expanded to include southwestern nigeria and even stretched into modern day Benin, Togo, and Ghana. IMO a great option to fill the medieval sub-saharan Africa void;)

No, the Kingdom of Benin is different from the Republic of Benin. The Bight of Benin is named after the kingdom and the republic is named after the Bight. The actual Kingdom of Benin originally started as a village called Ile Ibinu, and then expanded to include southwestern nigeria and even stretched into modern day Benin, Togo, and Ghana. IMO a great option to fill the medieval sub-saharan Africa void;)

ewu.7waker,

Can you send me a PM with the following information:

1 - leader

2 - UU

3 - UB

4 - city list

If you can help me with some of the dirty work (pedia entries, strategy text, etc.), I'll add Benin for you.

thank you wyz, you truly are a lifesaver:goodjob::goodjob:i'll get right on it

I've been playing around with the gold mod for about a week now. Giant kudos to you guys. That being said, I kinda want to modify it. Specifically I think Isreal could be split into a modern state, using the Merkava tank as its unique unit (currently the worlds most advanced tank). I think Canaan would be a perfect representation for the ancient cultures that lived in the area. Not sure what UB they would, could have though.

Something I wouldn't mind seeing in the next expansion is more female leaders. They're always underrepresented.

~Hiram.

Well, we have made a concerted effort to get more female LHs in the pack - Makeda added to Yemen, Joan of Arc added to France, Theodora added to the Byzantines, Margarete added to Denmark, Cleopatra added to Egypt, Amanishabheto added to Nubia, and Trung added to Vietnam. Not to mention adding New Zealand with Clark as the sole leader.

That's not too shabby.

We have some coming ideas that will add more female leaders.

It doesn't help that there are so few pre-existing leaderheads for modders and LH makers to work with (Theres only so much one can do with Isabella!:lol::crazyeye:).

I think Ukrainian civ is totally missing a Zaporozhian Sich leader. I hope some of them shall be included.
P.S. PSYX has just requested Ivan Sirko LH, so if someone will make it, it'll go very well because he was a very good general, he winned more than 50 battles, so foreign power became interested in him.

Never mind, I looked properly. :D

For some reasons the Italian units, when clicked on, seem to answer in a vaguely Scandanavian language, not Italian (or Latin, for that matter). Is this an error or was this done intentionally?

OK, this is a great mod and I don't have any new civilizations to request but I would like to request some new leaders for existing civilizations if possible:


America: Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson

England: George III, Mary I

Germany: Hitler, Kaiser Wilhelm II

Italy: Mussolini

Carthage: Hamilcar Barca

I have a few other requests but they have already been submitted by other posters.

For some reasons the Italian units, when clicked on, seem to answer in a vaguely Scandanavian language, not Italian (or Latin, for that matter). Is this an error or was this done intentionally?

Italy uses the sound set from HRE.

OK, this is a great mod and I don't have any new civilizations to request but I would like to request some new leaders for existing civilizations if possible:


America: Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson

England: George III, Mary I

Germany: Hitler, Kaiser Wilhelm II

Italy: Mussolini

Carthage: Hamilcar Barca

I have a few other requests but they have already been submitted by other posters.

Hitler and Mussolini are coming. Wilhelm and Mary may be coming. I think Jefferson would be a good add. There is a George III LH around but I think the English roster is kinda full already. :)

Italy uses the sound set from HRE.

What's HRE? Holy Roman Empire? Or something else? I think it would be better to use the sound set for the Romans from the original Civ, because it seems weird for the Italians to be speaking a Scandinavian language (or whatever it is).

Thanks for putting together this mod -- it's really amazing.

Hitler and Mussolini are coming. Wilhelm and Mary may be coming. I think Jefferson would be a good add. There is a George III LH around but I think the English roster is kinda full already. :)
Good news on the ones you have planned, I am working on some scenarios about both World Wars and think it would be better to have the correct leaders for the major powers. I am also considering an American Revolution Scenario which is why I was looking for King George. I also think Jefferson has been overlooked in the Civ series. Plus I just hate seeing the French with more leaders than the Americans and English.

What's HRE? Holy Roman Empire? Or something else? I think it would be better to use the sound set for the Romans from the original Civ, because it seems weird for the Italians to be speaking a Scandinavian language (or whatever it is).

Thanks for putting together this mod -- it's really amazing.

I think the HRE language is Germanic, which I admit may not be a great fit. We can change it to Rome, certainly.

I'm glad you like it!

Good news on the ones you have planned, I am working on some scenarios about both World Wars and think it would be better to have the correct leaders for the major powers. I am also considering an American Revolution Scenario which is why I was looking for King George. I also think Jefferson has been overlooked in the Civ series. Plus I just hate seeing the French with more leaders than the Americans and English.

There is a King George III around, done by Ekmek. And it is quite good. France got loaded because I wanted to add Joan of Arc (because she was in past versions) and Richelieu was so damn good that I had to add him.

I'm not against George III, but other than for a Am Rv scenario I don't think he was regarded as a great leader. If someone does a Jefferson, I'll definitely add him.

Good news on the ones you have planned, I am working on some scenarios about both World Wars and think it would be better to have the correct leaders for the major powers. I am also considering an American Revolution Scenario which is why I was looking for King George. I also think Jefferson has been overlooked in the Civ series. Plus I just hate seeing the French with more leaders than the Americans and English.

Did you post on the general Leaderhead Request thread?

Just an idea for a "what-if" civilization.

In 1933, the people of Western Australia voted to secede from the Commonwealth of Australia. The referendum passed with 68% in favor. But British parliament didn't act and therefor, the secession never came. It would be cool if someone could make a theoretical civ if secession had been granted.


Dominion of Western Australia, Dominion of Westralia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_League
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Leader: Philip Collier (Premier-designate at the time of the referendum)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Philip_Collier.jpg
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UB: Regional Farming Community (Double agricultural production or something)
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UU: Light Horse Infantry
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Cities:

Perth
Albany
York
Broome
Kalgoorlie
Derby
Port Hedland
Kununurra
Esperance
Eucla
Carnavon
Meekatharra
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Something like that would be cool :mischief:

Another option would be using custom select/order sounds in Italian.

Another option would be using custom select/order sounds in Italian.

We try to refrain from adding too much sound files, but if you have a custom set available I would be glad to test it.

If you guys are planning the Terrible Pack...

May I suggest Robert Mugabe of the Mutapa Empire?

If you guys are planning the Terrible Pack...

May I suggest Robert Mugabe of the Mutapa Empire?

:lol: yes, I was thinking the same last week.

If you guys are planning the Terrible Pack...

May I suggest Robert Mugabe of the Mutapa Empire?

100% in support of this, but I'll need an appropriate leaderhead. There is one or two I might be able to work with.

Any ETA for the Terrible Pack?

Sorry, just trying to survive two big life crises right now.

Everything will be fine, but right now I have to handle some family issues.

It's still a go and I have most of what I need in terms of art.

Everything will be fine, but right now I have to handle some family issues.

Which takes precedence, ofcourse.

Hope it works out alright.

I think we need to have a Central American Civ (Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama).

I don't know about the unique unit, but the unique building should probably be a canal or something. As for leaders, Somoza is a good option.

Dominican Republic would be good, with Rafael Trujillo. Also, why not Puerto Rico? I'd suggest Luiz Muñoz Marín and Pedro Albizu Campos as leaders.

i would rather have a more nazi related germany with hitler. it could be a civ just called "Nazi" with the swasikus (ignore my bad spelling) as its flag.

same thing with russia as soviet union even though stalin is already in.

i would rather have a more nazi related germany with hitler. it could be a civ just called "Nazi" with the swasikus (ignore my bad spelling) as its flag.

Seems to me Hitler with Panzers should do nicely.

There is a Nazi Germany civ.

Philippines please

Philippines please

Coming in 5.0, if I can get a good Marcos LH finished.

;) I would like to see a Vandal civ. Hence my name.

Coming in 5.0, if I can get a good Marcos LH finished.

yay! i don't think there's even any philippine leaders in any civ mod :(

Any ETA ? D:

;) I would like to see a Vandal civ. Hence my name.

I agree. Since the Goths are already in, these would complement them nicely!;)

ETA is end of July.

I think we already have the new civs we need, but let me look into the Vandals and see.

Like with all these 'barbarian' civs, the hardest thing is to come up with a decent cities list. Care to suggest one, Vandal?

July? Er, you mean August right? Right?

Like with all these 'barbarian' civs, the hardest thing is to come up with a decent cities list. Care to suggest one, Vandal?

Hmmmmm...... Can think of a few, but not a ton.

Carthage- Was their Capital for most of their history.
Gallaecia
Pannonia
Dacia
Corsica
Caesarea
Tricaneron
Caputvada


most of the names are Regions, but they can still work.


If needed two Leaders could be:

Gunderic- Aggressive, ????
Geiseric- Imperialistic, Aggressive (Brennus, Ragnar for LH)

Gunderic- Aggressive, ????

I would say the Aggressive, Organized. I also suggest a Ragnar head for this fellow, without the horns ofcourse.

Seems to me Hitler with Panzers should do nicely.

Maybe more with Tigers.

July? Er, you mean August right? Right?

or july 2009? :lol:

Hmmmmm...... Can think of a few, but not a ton.

Carthage- Was their Capital for most of their history.
Gallaecia
Pannonia
Dacia
Corsica
Caesarea
Tricaneron
Caputvada


most of the names are Regions, but they can still work.


If needed two Leaders could be:

Gunderic- Aggressive, ????
Geiseric- Imperialistic, Aggressive (Brennus, Ragnar for LH)

Hm, yeah... that's the problems with these vandal guys: they didn't really found any cities.:(

As concerns Hitler with Tigers: you might check out Wolfshanze's mod (or Merged Mod).;)

True, but still no other civs have these, besides Carthage.

Puerto Rican Civilization

Leaders: Munoz Marin (Cha/Ind)
Albizu (Cha/Pro)

UU: ???
UB: Lechonera

Just as a suggestion, I think it would be "proper" if CivGold included more Central Asian civilizations. Especially ancient ones. Although the problem would be most of the nomad "civs" will then have UUs replacing Horse Archers.

Some ideas:

Saka/Indo-Scythians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka)
Leader: Maues (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maues) (Imp, Fin)
UU: Saka Rider (or Assa-Barai, from here (http://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_saka_units.html)), Replaces Horse Archer
UB: Stupa (evidence indicates the Saka/Indo-Scythians were Buddhist to a degree, anyhow)


Parthians: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthia)
Leader: Mithridates I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithridates_I_of_Parthia) (Ex, Agg)
UU: Grivpanvar (Replaces Horse Archer...)
UB: Pasture (Replaces Stable or Granary)

Just as a suggestion, I think it would be "proper" if CivGold included more Central Asian civilizations. Especially ancient ones. Although the problem would be most of the nomad "civs" will then have UUs replacing Horse Archers.

That's correct. It's a bit problematic and there are a lot of mounted UU's as it is. In the last version we did add some Central Asian civs, like the Uyghur.

Scythia is already in and we have discussed adding Parthia, but I forgot why we left it out.

We also added the Oxus, Buryat, Seleukid and Kushan civs - all central Asian. And we'll be adding the Xiong Nu to 5.0, along with Palmyra.

Xiong Nu and Palmyra are nice. I'll archive some music for those. :P

...also, Parthia is in 5.0, forgot to mention.

That's nice.

I also have, er, well, more random civilization suggestions, rather than requests outright. Food for thought, I guess.


1. The Cholas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholas) were a powerful Indian maritime empire in Southeast Asia.

Leader: Rajendra Chola I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajendra_Chola_I) (Fin, Imp/Agg)
UU: Catamaran (Replaces Trieme or Caravel)
UB: Maritime Port (Harbor)


2. The Bosporan Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosporan_Kingdom), one of the first and more distant Hellenic Kingdoms, located in nowadays Ukraine.

Leader: Polemon I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polemon_I_of_Pontus) (Org, Ex)
UU: Bosporan Hoplite (Replaces Spearman)
UB: Kurgan Mound (Replaces Walls? Moument?)


3. The Mitanni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittani)were one of the Near Eastern Empires that competed with Ancient Egypt.

Leader: Shaushtatar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaushtatar) (Agg, Imp)
UU: Hurrian Chariot (?) (Replaces Chariot)
UB: Bronze Smithery (Replaces Forge)


4. The Kingdom of Dahomey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahomey) was located in modern-day Benin.

Leader: Ghezo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghezo) (Agg, Cre)
UU: Dahomey Amazon (Replaces Rifleman?)
UB: Slave Market (Replaces Market?)


5. The Ryukyu Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ry%C5%ABky%C5%AB_Kingdom) existed in the Okinawan Islands, and played a role in East Asian trade.

Leader: Satto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satto) (Org, Pro)
UU: ?
UB: Gusuku (Replaces castle)

All good suggestions! I'd probably pass on Dahomey, only because we've made a real effort to represent West Africa in Benin (5.0), Nigeria, Mande, and Kanem-Bornu.

I'll take a look at the rest.

PS - I responded to your PM. Sorry for the delay!

How about Santo Domingo, with Duarte and Trujillo as leaders?

We also added the Oxus, Buryat, Seleukid and Kushan civs - all central Asian. And we'll be adding the Xiong Nu to 5.0, along with Palmyra.


sweet. I guess that means my Zenobia made it in?

any chance the huns will make it?

sweet. I guess that means my Zenobia made it in?

any chance the huns will make it?

Yes and yes.

The only holdup with the Huns is that there seems to be a couple of different versions in progress. But when release time comes around, we'll choose one and go with it.

Are you interested in making any LHs? I have a couple that still need doing.

Wyz, is Civ Gold 5.0 going to fix the Indian issues?

More random suggestions, some rather obscure, just for the fun of it:

1. The Durrani Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durrani_Empire) ruled over large parts of Afghanistan and Iran in the late 1700s and early 1800s.

Leader: Ahmad Shah Durrani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Durrani) (Imp, Cha)
UU: Shaturnal (Replaces Cavalry? Cuirassier?)
UB: ?Mountain Outpost/Fortress? (Replaces Castle/Barracks?)


2. Colchis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchis) ruled was one of the earliest kingdoms in Georgia, and also was featured in the Greek legend of Jason and the Argaunauts.

Leader: Aeëtes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeëtes) (Fin, Pro)
UU: Bronze Warrior (Replaces Axeman)
UB: Trading Port (Replaces Harbor)


3. The Crimean Tartars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Khanate) were the last political descendants of the Mongol Empire, ruling over a large portion of Eastern Europe between the 1400s and 1700s.

Leader: Devlet I Giray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devlet_I_Giray) (Ind, Cha)
UU: Chambul (?) (Replaces Cuirassier)
UB: Slave Market (Market? Bank?)


4. The Maldives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Khanate) are a group of islands in the Indian Ocean.

Leader: Dhovemi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhovemi_of_the_Maldives) (Spi, Cha)
UU: Dhoni (Replaces Galley)
UB: Tourist Resort (Replaces ?)


5. The Toba Wei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuoba) were Mongolian nomads who managed to conquer all of Northern China and rule it under the Northern Wei Dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Wei_Dynasty) for about a century and a half, from c. 400 - 550 CE. They played a significant role in Chinese culture when they were one of the first dynasties to openly endorse Buddhism.

Leader: Tuoba Si (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Mingyuan_of_Northern_Wei) (Phi, Imp)
UU: Tuoba Cavalry (Replaces Knight)
UB: Tang [Commune] (Replaces Granary? Barracks?)

So are the Vandals going in?

Hi all,

Please see the status update here, post 428:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=189646&page=22

Are you interested in making any LHs? I have a couple that still need doing.

cant promise anything but some of the reskins tend to jump out and i can do some model work. if you look at civjunction you'll see I've redone maria theresa (but not released yet).

I can do easy model work if you just want minor but dinstinguishing changes

I'm wondering...

There's a good Tito leaderhead. Will there be a Serbian Empire?

You know, I'd like to have another Balkan civ for scenario purposes and Serbia would be ideal. I hate to keep adding civs, though, only because project "scope creep" is a definite killer.

Let see how much I can get done this week.

Are the sounds for the Irish going to be fixed? They annoyed me so much that I swapped them with the Celtic ones.

Sorry, what was the problem with the Irish sounds?

I've swapped them with the Celts now, as well.

someone should make Norway for beyond the sword
plz message me if you do

* Latvia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvia), Latvians, Latvian

* nope

* Jānis Čakste (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C4%81nis_%C4%8Cakste) Charismatic and Philosophical, favourite civic Nationhood

I think the Julius Caesar leaderhead can be used. Just need to remove the upper hair, make him beard and put up in black suit.

Sevopedia text: Jānis Čakste born September 14, 1859 in Lielsesava, Latvia, died March 14, 1927 in Riga, Latvia was a Latvian politician and the first president of Latvia.
He studied law in Moscow University, graduating in 1886 and became a lawyer and political activist in Latvia. In 1906, he was elected to Duma, the parliament of the Russian Empire where he promoted the idea of autonomy for Latvia.
In 1918, he became the president of Latvia's People's Council (Tautas Padome), a temporary government that proclaimed the independence of Latvia. Čakste was elected as a president for Latvia in 1922, reelected for a second term in 1925 and died while still president in 1927. He was a member of Latvian academic union "Austrums".

* Latvian Rifleman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Rifleman) (Replacement of Rifleman) Picture (http://www.diena.lv/upload/article/0004/38367/84962_BIG.jpg)

Sevopedia text: Latvian riflemen were military formations assembled starting 1915 in Latvia in order to defend Baltic territories against Germans in World War I. Initially the battalions were formed by volunteers, and from 1916 by conscription among the Latvian population. A total of about 40,000 troops were drafted into the Latvian Riflemen Division. From 1915 to 1917, Latvian Riflemen fought in the Russian army against the Germans in positions along Daugava river. In December 1916 and January 1917, Latvian riflemen suffered heavy casualties in month-long Christmas Battles which began with a surprise attack on German positions during Christmas. Suffering heavy casualties, Latvian riflemen managed to break the German line of defense but the effort was wasted as the attack was not continued. The Russian Army lost over 26,000 soldiers in the failed attack. The casualties included 9,000 Latvian riflemen, about a third of the total number at that time. The heavy casualties resulted in a strong resentment for the Russian generals and tsar among the riflemen. This resentment led to an increased support for the Bolsheviks, who were advocating an end to the war.

* Boulevard circle (Wall) (http://www.galenfrysinger.com/latvia_riga_old_town.htm)

Sevopedia text: Boulevard Circle and its key element, channel, embrace the Old Riga from three sides, enclosed by the Daugava River from the remaining side. Ensemble of parks, created after 1856, became the first stage of fortification system reconstruction commenced in the 17th century by Swedish military engineers. Extensive parks with few loosely scattered buildings and residential blocks have become a wonderful counterpoint to the Old Riga. Boulevard Circle separates the Old Riga from Art Noveau blocks in the centre.


* Riga
Ventspils
Liepaja
Daugavpils
Jelgava
Jurmala
Rezekne
Ogre
Jekabpils
Valmiera
Salaspils
Tukums
Cesis
Kuldiga
Saldus
Olaine
Ludza
Talsi
Madona
Aluksne
Limbazi
Sigulda

I'd like to see Cornish and Gallic civs since we already have Wales, Ireland, and Scotland; but I just don't know enough about them to provide much in the way of suggestions. However, here's Wiki's take on the Kingdom of Cornwall, and actually I think it might work pretty well to just rename the official Celtic civ as Gaul, along with possibly moving Boudica (even though it's not entirely accurate) to Wales and adding Vercingetorix (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10789).

sorry for double post, at first I posted this to the "To Do" thread, but here it is to the correct place:

Greetings from Finland. I played CIV Gold and the upgrade and it was GREAT JOB! just some things I'd wish/like to see:

BURMA/MYANMAR:
The Mon (that is what the people was called in the ancient times, a great south-east asian power that was constantly at war with Siam(Thai), Lao(Laos) Khmer(Cambodia) and even the Vietnamese peoples.

People/Nation: The Mon (Burmese, Burma)
Bagan (Ancient capital with HUNDREDS of temples, a true wonder of the world)
Mandalay (A religious city full of temples and monks)
Rangoon (newer capital, later called Yangon with the new military Junta, now the capital has moved to Naypyidaw, to the middle of the jungle. Rangoon is where the Shwedagon Paya was built!!!)
Sittwe
Pathein
Pago
Dawei
Magwe
Loikaw
Taunggyi
Sagaing
Hakha
Myitkyina
Mawlamyine
Hpa-an

Unique unit: war elephant of some sorts
Unique building: COlosseum to Paya, a sort of temple. +culture 3 +health 2 etc etc

"The Mon people are thought to be the earliest group to migrate into the lower Ayeyarwady valley, and by the mid-900s BC were dominant in southern Burma.[29] The Mons became one of the first in South East Asia to embrace Theravada Buddhism."

You can use wikipedia to copy paste some information or ask me to write something if you are going to put this IMPORTANT civilization in..

LAO, LAOS:

Lao
Cities:
Vientiane
Louangphrabang
Louang Namtha
Xam Nua
Ban Nape
Muang Khammouan
Savannakhet
Salawan
Pakxe
Xiangkhoan
Phongsali

ESTONIA

Estonians

Tallinn (home of many knightly orders, danish or otherwise, one of the most fortified cities of medieval europe/baltics, capital city of Estonia)
Tartu
Narva
Kohtla-Järve
Pärnu
Viljandi
Rakvere
SIllamäe
Maardu
Kuressaare

Due to Tallinn location, this civilization was of outmost importance to medieval Europe and still exists today. Would be a shame to omit it from the GOld mod..

Special building could be improved fortifications, castle etc or a church. Providing defense to cities.
SPecial unit medieval infantry etc.

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The Swiss???
you are missing Switzerland :P
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Some more ideas, although not really civs, but neither are many of the things already inside the mod:

The Templars (Knights Templar, a medieval "international" european knightly order that was richer than any country in the world at it's time. Vast lands, armies and many many castles and fortifications from Spain, mid europe to Holy Land. Took part in the Re-Conquista etc etc until banished by traitorous popes and kings. Check WIKIPEDIA for 1st and last Grand Master to put as leader. KT was directly under Pope of Rome, but the Grand Master had the final say.

Starting with founder Hugues de Payens.
The last Grand Master was Jacques de Molay, burned at the stake in Paris in 1314 by order of King Philip IV.

cities = major fortifications
unit = Templar Knight (indeed Templar Knights were so feared by the saracens that many times they were executed en-masse after battle if defeated, even if other prisoners would be let go under some circumstances. No templar was let to live.)
Building = Castle/walls coin revenue, culture, defense

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VATICAN ?

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Also I would like if someone took the trouble to make a better Moztezuma I, warrior priest god king of the Aztec. Preferably with the huge green feathery headgear, he was a king and a noble, not a savage as firaxis put him. Industrious / Financial

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About the Finnish / Finland civilization in the game, it is great but you could add one leader: (C.G.E.) Mannerheim / Carl Gustaf (Emil) MANNERHEIM. Industrious / Protective or Industrious / Aggressive. Otherwise the civ is great, just that it has only modern cities... You could add Tavastia and Olavinlinna.

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Thank you so much, send private messages if you need more information / are unable to find something from WIKIPEDIA.org..

Greatly appreciated.

Simo / Finland

For the record, the Montezuma in CIV is this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moctezuma_II), not Moctezuma I.

How about the Tamils and the Cantonese? Both would be very useful in balancing the Earth maps.

What about King Solomon for Israelis? I mean he was one of the more famous kings:king: and he was "The Wisest Man of All Time", so it really would make sense, u know. And why wasn't King David given Aggresive trait?:mad: Any1 who knows anything about his history would know that his reign was filled with wars. He couldn't even build the Temple 'Because his hand were too stained with warfare'. So i think solomon should be given Spiritual and Financial traits. And do it for the vanilla version.:goodjob:

what about a northern ireland.

I think that Anglo-Saxons should be added. Their civ has already been made for BtS.

Slavs!

-Slavic Empire, Eastern Europe during the Dark Ages to Early Mid Ages (After that they began to split up culturally)
-Leaders- Wenceslaus I of Bohemia (Better known as Good King Wencelas) Spiritual and Protective? He defeated a few rebellions?
- Mieszko I, Spiritual/Expansive perhaps, he is considered the creator of the Polish state and also introduced Christianity to Poland

- UU, well maybe Raiding Cavalry, as the Slavs were quite effective raiders of the Roman Empire, specifically the East, but the Bulgars and Serbs managed to conquer a lot of the Balkans so perhaps they have a unit that could be used? Raiding Cavalry would replace Horse Archer with extra move and attack

-For the UB I was thinking along the lines of a River Port, replacing harbour, could be built on river towns as well as coastal, the Slavs were great Traders in Russia (before the Vikings conquered them!)
or perhaps they could have the Viking Trading Post and give the Vikings a Longhouse?

-Cities- Novgorod
- Warsaw
- Cracow
- Beograd
- Sofia
- Burgas
- Varna
- Stara Zagora
- Pleven
- Dryanovo


And I would like to suggest merging the Maori with the Polynesians
I am from NZ and the Maori are pretty much the same as the Polynesians culturally
Perhaps add Maui as a leader for them too?


Feel free to comment on either please!:goodjob:

Edit: I also agree with NZK, Solomon should really be in for Israel and perhaps David Ben-Gurion? He was the first prime minister of Israel and was quite influential. He was also a Zionist and was very aggresive in expanding Israels borders from what I remember so perhaps Aggressive/Philosophical?

Slavs doesn't make sense.

Mieszko was a Polish hero, not a proto-Polish/Slavic hero. Besides, at that time, the slavs have diversified so much that at different parts of the tree, it was farther apart than the Franks and Scandinavians.

If you go through with the idea, than you will have to choose one of the numerous ancient Polish (if you can call them that) leaders, that are all simply legends from the times of the Polish city states.

But I completely disagree with the idea though. We have no clue how distant or close the slavic tribes were. It could be like making a civ called Germanic's or Mongoloids or something.

I say, it is a better idea to put most of pre 1000's slavic history as Poland, Bohemia and Hungary, We can also add Novgorad, Muscovy and the Kievan Rus, to reflect early eastern Slavic history as Russia doesn't as well.

Hmmm... I suppose so...

I was just going for the idea that the Slavs were a dominant force in Eastern Europe for a long time...

I think you could still keep Wenceslaus as a leader if you made them as he was the "Apostle to the Slavs" So perhaps another leader like Symeon of Bulgaria or someone like that? and th Slavs were very close culturally when they first arrived in Europe and in the Early Mid Ages so perhaps a civ from that time? Otherwise I'm OK with your idea! But with the Viking UB seriously, change to longhouse? I think it more suits the Vikings aggressive nature, it was more the people they conqueredthat were traders...

Also,

Francia/Frankia? Frankish Empire, Franks

Leaders- Clovis Aggressive and Spiritual
and perhaps Charlemagne in the non Bts versions? I think he was more Frankish than HRE

UU- Thats an easy one! Paladin Replace Knight, stronger attack?
or perhaps the Fransisca Heerban? These Throwing Axemen were quite prominent in early Frankish History?

UB- Thats a bit harder, perhaps a Gothic Cathedral of some kind? Maybe others can think of a better idea?

Cities, Aachen
Tournai
Cambrai
Soissons
Rennes
Nantes
Tours
Herstal
Le Mans
Orleans
Poitiers

PS Hungary was Magyars not Slavs and I didn't mean to offend anyone sorry!:(

Perhaps you could have also the Bulgars and Serbs as a pre-1000 Slav civ too

Also Tamerlanre or Ogidei as Mongol Leaders and William I as an English or perhaps a Norman leader?

OK that all from me!

Serbia and Bulgaria are already in, which is why I didn't comment. Magyars are not ethnically slavic, but they are Western Slavic in culture and might as well be called slavs.

I do not want to see some unified Slavic empire in the game. It would be as stupid as Native America, or Germanics, or Africans or something. But I don't play CIVGold, I use it more as a modding tool so hehe. :p (I can not play with that many civs, seems to unrealistic.)

Yeah Okay, I see your point!:) I'll give up then! :lol:

I guess that was just a vestage of my Civ3 games with not enough space for all those civs! And I agree bout the too many thing! Myself I don't really like the idea of the modern ones like Brazil, Aussie and NZ (even though thats me home!) I reckon it kinda ruins the feel playing against Sumeria or something and having Australia come up... No offence jntended to the creators though! Keep up the good work!:cool:

What about my leaders ideas? Any ideas? I realize Tamerlane is probably for the Timurids no?

Also perhaps the Sassanids? The normal Persians seem to be focused on the Achemaenids?

Sassanid Empire

Leaders- Khosrau II Emperor when the Empire was at it's height, conquered much of the ER Empire
Prob Imperialistic and Expansive?
Ardashir I Founder of the Sassanid Empire and defeated the Parthians also reorganised the Empire establishing a entral government and establishing state sponsorship of Zoroastrianism
So Organised/Aggressive or maybe Organised/Spritual?

UU- Persian Cataphract? or maybe Clibanarii? Would replace Horse Archer or Knight?

UB- ? Perhaps someone could suggest one?

Cities- Ctesiphon but don't know any others... Anyone know any?

Perhaps they would be too close to the Persians but the Parthians are in so who know? If not perhaps one or two Sassanid Leaders for the Persians?

Well, we have made a concerted effort to get more female LHs in the pack - Makeda added to Yemen, Joan of Arc added to France, Theodora added to the Byzantines, Margarete added to Denmark, Cleopatra added to Egypt, Amanishabheto added to Nubia, and Trung added to Vietnam. Not to mention adding New Zealand with Clark as the sole leader.

That's not too shabby.

We have some coming ideas that will add more female leaders.

Well, copied from the thread:

UU:

Diggers: WWI infantry named thus for their ability in entrenching and defending, so perhaps a hills bonus

NZ Lav III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NZLAV.jpg): Modern era Light armoured, anti-personal vehicle. Can reach speed of 109km/h so perhaps a movement bonus and anti-infantry.

UB:

Something to do with intensive farming (bonus to food output and commerce) (represents 1900-1980s),

A 'Shore Station' (Bonus to coastal production) Whaling and Sealing) could also be good (represents pre 1800s-1850s.

Nature Reserve (bonus to health and happiness - Represents 1960s-today)

NZ doesn't really have anything too distinctive as a generic ever present building archetype.

If you ever integrated with total realism and needed Great units and stuff I could probably help there as well :P

Sorry bout the double post but,

Since NZ is in then perhaps you should consider David Lange as a leader? And for the UU perhaps consider the ANZAC as a unit? I realise its also Australian but I think it could work quite well for us kiwis as I think IMO it would better suit us anyway!;) Perhaps something like the Diggers could work too or maybe like an Aid Worker or something? We do a lot of work helping the Pacific nations. For ANZAC either a Rifleman or Infantry replacement. For the UB I agree with the Nature Reserve idea, or maybe a Dairy Farm? A Wind Farm could also work.

Perhaps the Crimean Khanate could be a civ? I wouldn't mind seeing Barbarossa for the HRE. Perhaps El Cid for Spain or Trajan or Constantine for Rome.

Why don't we expand into Iberia?

We can have:

Aragon
Catalonia
Basque (if not included already)
Granada
Galicia
Leon
Navarra
Andalucia
and perhaps a Separate Castille.

Hmm that sounds like good idea, but perhaps Leon should be Castille-Leon because they were united for most of their existence. Though Leon may work as a separate civ because Castille was quite similar to Vanilla Spain

Hi everyone,

Sorry for my absence. Lot of good ideas there and I can see the Anglo-Saxons being added at some point. Not sure about another Middle Eastern power as we have plenty of those now. Not out of the question, though.

Empires from some areas can be tricky because of the way Firaxis originally grouped Spain, France, India, Japan and China, etc. Of course, that's not a stopper - just a consideration.

We can say that those civs refer to the modern civilization - except with ancient leaders. :p

Caribs (native American Caribbean people)
Leader: I dunno
Cities: Probably gonna have to resort to naming individual islands as cities. Dominica should be the capital though.

If you want to put the Caribs in then you could maybe use some ideas from Civ Army's Caribs from civ 3

Leader- Jaureybo
UU- Kalipuna
UB- ?
Cities- Karie
Tarquba bay
Yarra
Airpo
Charuma
Tacarib bay
Guanapo
Makeripe
Talparo
Guatoapajaro
Siparia
Palmiste
Aruaca
Carapanchima
Guayaguayare
Matelot
Irois
Caroni
Tabaquite
Paria
Oropuche
Turure
Navet
Maruga
Tacarigua
Cuesa
Guatauro point
Mayaro
Igneri
Vega de Tani
Hayuya
Utuado
Bakairi
Nahuquas
Kalipuna
Yaio
Nepuyo
Chaima
Warao,
Carinepogoto
Garini
Cassava
Maize
Cacao
Tobacco
Fauna
Manicou
Agouti

'Course I expect you would have to ask him first but thats just my suggestion...

I would like to see either Baden or Alsace. :)
I will probably post some details tomorrow afternoon.

Quebec!

Vive le Quebec!

Quebec City
Montreal
Gaitineau
Sherbrooke
Saguenay
Trois-Rivières
Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu
Riviere-du-Loop (moved up in importance due to Timeline-191 ie Turtledove)
Drummondville
Grandby
Shawinigan
Saint-Hyacinthe
Victoriaville
Sorel-Tracy
Rimouski
Joliette
Rouyn-Noranda
Salaberry-de-Valleyfield
Alma
Val-d'Or
Saint-Georges

Leaders: Jacques Cartier (EXP, FIN) - Pierre Trudeau (ORG - CHR)

UB: Hunting Lodge (Replaces Granary. +1 :) from fur)
UU: Fur Trapper (Replaces Musket, Starts with Woodsman I)

I searched for about an hour now and I couldn't find anyone who has made The Moorish Empire as a custom Civ. It's possible that it's listed under a different name (Al-Andalus being what the Moorish people called their region of the world) though. If that's the case, point me in the right direction please.

Anyways, I figured I would suggest it seeing as The Moors had a large Empire at its peak (Algiers, Morrocco, parts of Mali, and most of the Iberian penisula) and threatened to conquer what is now current-day France. Basically, they inhabited most of what was Carthage minus Sardinia and Corsica in the Med. Sea plus more of Northern Africa and Iberia.

NOTE - Skip to the ***s if you don't want to read my leader/civ history/significance.

History - Ummayad caliph Al-Walid I directed a large force to conquer the Berbers of North Africa. While the initial conquest was highly successful, the occupation of North Africa was not due to zero tolerence of Berber culture. An alliance of Byzantines and Berbers soon kicked out the invaders from North Africa. Musa bin Nusair was sent to reconquer North Africa and was successful. However, unlike the previous governor, he was very tolerent of Berber culture and successfully converted many Berbers to Islam. Many of these converts served in his government and army (including a great general Tariq bin Ziyad who would later co-conquer Southern Iberia).

Twelve years later, Nasair orders raids into Visigoth Iberia. The raids were very successful and led to a small invasion of 8,000 soldiers a year later. Even though outnumbered almost 3to1, pre-Andalusians defeated a 20,000 strong Visigoth force led by the Visigoth king himself at Guadelete. The Visigoth nobility in Iberia was destroyed. A year later, Nasair himself lands in southern Iberia with 18,000 soldiers and conquers all of Iberia except for the northern Basque region.

During the conquest, Nasair recieves word that the Caliphate in Damascus (Al-Walid I) has summoned him due to his highly successful raids. He ignores the order at first because he is determined to conquer all of Iberia. More than a year later, Nasair answers the summons. However, Al-Walid I was very sick and his brother, Suleiman (sound familar=-), was the acting Caliphate. Suleiman demanded that Nasair delay his grand entry in Damascus due to the Caliphate's illness (and probably because Sulieman wanted to take credit for the conquest). Nasair ignored the demand and gloriously entered Damascus and offered a sizeable portion of the booty to Al-Walid. Al-Walid died a few days later and the new Caliphate demanded that Nasair hand over all his booty. When Nasair refused, Sulieman stripped Nsair of his title, confiscated all the booty, and paraded Nasair around Damascus like a common criminal. Nasair spent the rest of his life a poor man in Medina.

Before leaving for the summons, he put his son in charge of Iberia. His son ruled for two years before being assasinated by Sulieman. The caliphate displayed Nasair's son's head to an audience where he knew Nasair would be attending.

In the short period where the Caliphate still had power in Iberia, a massive nearly 300,000 strong Moorish army invaded France and unsuccessfully seiged Toulouse -- and event that could have forever changed French history.

In 750 (or 756) Andalus became independent from the greater Caliphate. From practically that moment on, the Moors would be locked in near constant warfare with a variety of Christian factions for the next 800 years. During this "reconquista" (reconquering) the Moors would lose all of Iberia and would officially end with the surrendering of Granada to Ferdinand and Isabella in 1492 (a big year for Spain apparently). The Moorish people of Iberia were targets of the Spanish inquisition.

The legacy the Moors left behind is found all over Spain and Portugal, with a huge number or Cathedrals and Universities being built by the Moors. Linguistically, thousands of Spanish and Portugesse words trace themselves back to Arabic roots (The Moors spoke primarily Arabic) such as arroz (rice), alfrombra (rug), alcatraz (which means pelican in Spanish btw), azul (blue), atun (tuna), sofá (sofa) -- all very common words in usage today.

Also, while the rest of Western Europe was in the "dark ages," Moorish Iberia was far from unenlightened. Scholars, both Christian and Muslim, actively studied and translated the old works of Eygpt, Rome, and Greece as well as conduct their own experiments (otherwise known as part of the Islamic Golden Age). Historians believe that Cordoba under Moorish rule was the largest and most prosperous city in Europe, surpassing even Constantinople during this time.

Well, I got a little carried away there. Anyways, here's some more "Civ based" stuff, enough with the history.

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Civ name - The Moorish Empire (referring to both North Africa and Iberia from ~700 to ~1500 AD)

Starting techs - Agriculture, The Wheel

Link to existing civ - couldn't find any

Leader - Musa bin Nusair (Could alter Mansa Musu's or Mehmed's portraits)
-----Agressive, Organized OR Charismatic, Expansive
Favorite civic - Vassalage

Unique Unit - Camel Gunner (replaces Cuirassier) **s are unique abilities
12 Strength
2 movepoints
100 hammers
*requires gunpowder, military tradition, horseback riding (*no iron, *no horses)
Immune to first strikes
15% withdraw chance
no defensive bonuses
flanks catapults, trebuchets, and cannons
*1 first strike
*starts with drill 1 and 2
*drill line is open to this UU, like the Japanese Samurai UU

Comments - It's like combining the Arabic Horse Archer (no horses, no iron), the Ethiopian Musket (first strikes), and the Japanese Samurai (drill line not normally available to this type of unit). I'm basing this unit off of a different game -- Medieval Total War 2. The only thing I don't like about this unit is that the arrival of gunpowder on the battlefield was around the same time The Moors were being (quickly) dismissed from Iberia.

Unique Building - Bimaristan (replaces University)
+25% research
*3 culture points
*+2 health

Comments - The Moors built, staffed, and administered the best public hospitals in the Western European world at the time. In addition to serving basic healthcare needs, Moorish bimaristans later evolved into the first research hospitals. Nearly all basic-yet-modern surgical techniques and tools were developed in Moorish Iberia. The Al-Tasrif (Book of Concessions) was written in Cordoba by Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (AKA Abulcasis) who is known as the "father of modern surgery". The Al-Tasrif was used for almost seven centries and covered everything from basic dental health-care, dissection, nuerosurgery, basic OBGYN procedures, and it even started the modern custom of bringing flowers to the sick. Moorish physicians were the pioneers of animal testing before trying new procedures on humans. Moorish physicians made use of anesthesia by using an opium and cannabis blend which was far superior to the ingestion of alcohol (and also prohibited in Islam). Lastly, Moorish physicians hypothesized the existence of bacteria during the bubonic plague outbreak hundreds of years before bacteria's discovery.

City list -(Mostly Spanish cities, but also Portugesse, Moroccan, Tunisia, and Algerian)
Cordoba (Capital)
Cazorla
Granada
Lanjarón
Guadix
Jaén
Jerez De La Frontera
Mortril
Ronda
Lagos
Zawaia
Algraves
Seville
Lisbon
Meknes
Zaragoza
Madinat al-Zahra
Toledo
Gormaz
Valencia
Fes
Tangier
Marrakech
Sijilmasa
Aoudaghost
Mértola
Sagunto
Évora
Santarém
Coimbra
Barcelona
Narbonne
Casablanca
Cerdanya
Aquitaine
Algiers
Rabat
Tunis
Silb
Tanja
Larida

I'd be more than happy to help add the civ. I'm unfamilar with xml but I can help with art and information.

Sources (yay for wikis)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Muslim_presence_in_the_Iberian_pen insula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_ibn_Ziyad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_bin_Nusair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muladi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquistion

As a side note, ever see the Seinfeld episode where George is playing Trivial Pursuit with the boy in the bubble and the question is "Who invaded Spain in the 8th century?" The answer is The Moors, but the card was misprinted and said "The Moops"

lol

Well, I realize you probably don't want to many more Middle Eastern civs as that region is quite cramped, but I think these two could be good (and I don't think they've been added from what I could see...)

Assyria and Hatti. I think both of these have been made already, but not sure about Assyria though, so here is some info...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=173627&highlight=hittites

Civ Name- Assyria, Assyrian Empire
Leader(s) - Ashurbanipal Expansive/Imperialistic? - Ruled over the Neo-Assyrian empire at its height, last king of Assyria
Maybe Tikulti-ninurta I Aggressive/Expansionist? - Expanded Assyrian power of Mesopotamia, defeating conquering Babylon and bringing old Assyria to its greatest extent
Unique Unit - Heavy Chariot or Siege Archer - Both would have increased defense
Unique Building - ? Not sure, maybe some kind of temple replacing monument?
Cities- Ninevêh
Asshur
Arbel
Ur
Nimrod
Kalakh
Erbil
Akhad
Arrapkha
Dur Shakkukin

Assyria has already been made, though I also don't know where it is.

Anyhow, you all can find the Hittites, Moors, and Assyrians in the CivGold mod; its in module format, so if you only want a certain few civs, you can easily extract them and get rid of the others.

You should add Sassanids, the last pre-Islamic Persian empire. The Civ was recently made by Civ of the week project and the first Persian empires(Persians and Pahlavi) are already in CIV Gold.

You should add Sassanids, the last pre-Islamic Persian empire. The Civ was recently made by Civ of the week project and the first Persian empires(Persians and Pahlavi) are already in CIV Gold.

Thankyou! I posted about the Sassanids a while back, but now they are a COTW!

Link- http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=13966 (this is linked to download, there may be a link to discussion, but haven't checked)

BTW, I'm not sure the Pahlavi (Parthians) were actually Persian. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they were originally Nomads from north of Persia who invaded (and conquered) the Seleucid Empire.

Also, I agree with NukeAJS. I think the Berbers/Maghreb could be expanded into a little more. Perhaps the Numidian or Mauritanian Empires, or Morocco? Could be an option. I'm not sure of info for them though...

Also, I'm not sure if these are in, since I couldn't find a list of new leaders, but perhaps Pyrrhus of Epirus for the Greeks.

Great mod BTW, thanks guys. Keep up the good work.

From what I know the Parthians might have been related to the Persians, but regardless after they took over Persia they became pretty PErsianized anyways.

Yeah, I agree with you there. I had a look but can't seem to find a lot on their origins. It is clear they are a native Iranian people, but whether they were "Persian" or not doesn't seem clear from where I looked anyways. But you are right, they are very Persian in culture, however slightly Hellenistic too from what I gather, as this was one excuse the Sassanids used to overthrow them.

On the idea of new civs though, just wondering, is there a civ representing Libya (ancient preferably)? Thanks in advance.

Great LHs btw, I especially like Khosrau

I remember a few mods did have ancient Libya. However, I'm not sure with ones to be sure. I'm also certain CivGold doesn't have an ancient libya.

Garamantes(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garamantes) ,who are in Civ Gold, lived in northern Africa and ruled a western part of modern Libya(and some other lands). They were a regional power from 500 BC to 600 AD.

Also, Northern Africa should be represented better in Civ Gold. Maghreb civ now represents moors and berbers, it would be nice if they had seperate civs. Numidian civ(with Jugurtha as leader) could be created as there was a numidian kingdom and they were different from garamantes. And modern Libya civ led by Gaddafi could be added too.

Moreover, Islamic dynasties could be represented better in Civ Gold.(by rulers or civs).

Finally, use the Phil/Ind trait combo on a civ(or few civs) with sucky UUs/UBs. All the other "forbidden" trait combos have been used and they didn't break the game, so I doubt this combo would, if it was given to a weak Civ.

Yeah, I agree. I think that Numidia would be a great civ. I think aswell as Jugurtha, Masinissa could carry over from Carthage. For a unique unit though I'm not sure, perhaps give them the Numidian Cavalry unit and give Carthage either a unique War Elephant or perhaps a Sacred Band unit? Not sure of any cities though, other than Cirta at least.

I think the Maghreb is really quite broad too and the, mod could really benefit if it was expanded on. Or at least (seeing as both leaders are Moroccan) perhaps another leader, like Jugurtha, could be good for the Maghreb Empire.

Still as I keep saying, great mod guys! Keep up the good work!
PS finally got round to getting 5.0, now that I have BTS, great job!

PSS - Nuke AJS, the Moors are already in as the Maghreb Empire, though the Al-Andalusian Empire could be nice if the Maghreb was expanded.

Kipchaks(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchak ) deserve to included in Civ Gold as they ruled large territory and were good warriors, who even sacked Kiev. Also, Khazars civ has been made by Civ of the project recently , it would be nice to have them in Civ Gold too.

how about the southern and northern kingdoms of israel being seperate; and the modern day state being seperate for good measure? i could supply leader, uu, ub ideas and city lists.
-edit: i agree the khazars should be there

I hate to be pedantic, but it kind of irks me (in an otherwise perfect mod) that the popes are leaders for the Holy Roman Empire. The Holy Roman Empire and the Papal States, while intertined, were seperate political entities. Just bringing this to your attention, if you didn't know.

Yes, I also think that popes shouldn't be leaders of HRE. And Otto I should be a leader for HRE, as he was first true emperor of HRE.

Yeah, I agree about the popes, however I think I should ponit out that both Popes can be removed by taking their files out of the Custom LHs Module.
On the line of HRE leaders, I think as well as Otto, Barbarossa would be good leader, as he was one of the last great HREmperors (to be honest, I'm surprised hes not in already!)

I think Radma wouldnt be a terrible idea for Madagascar. I was wondering also... Could an ancient leader like Arminius (aka Herman the German) or Clovis (Ok probably not Clovis, but a possibility) work for the Germans as they seem to be one of the only European civs with no Medieval/Ancient leaders...

EDIT- A modern Libyan civ (or just a general one) could also have Omar al-Mukhtar, national hero of Libya [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_al-Mukhtar])

Sorry bout the double post, I just had an idea. How about a Darfur Empire? It was a semi-powerful state in Western Sudan in the 1600s(?) until it's conquest by the Ottomans. Not sure about a city list but perhaps for UU something like...

Sudanese Warband
Replaces Pikeman, 6 Strength, 2 move(?) and +10% vs. Melee units?
(I think something to this extent has already been created by the COTW project for the Makurians bu I am not sure of it's exact stats.)

or

Darfurian Freedom Fighter
Replaces Marine, 18 Str., 2 Move, 140 Cost?
Well... Or something like that. Cheaper and faster but weaker. I'm no good at units...

and for UB...
Not sure, maybe some kind of fortress or castle?
Something to do with the civil war? ( maybe that's a bit touchy?)

Leaders, maybe...

Ahmed Bukr c.1682-c.1722
Spiritual/Financial? He introduced Islam to Darfur after he came to the throne (so Spiritual) and also greatly increased the prosperity of Darfur by encouraging immigration from other states such as Bornu. His rule extended from East of the nile to as far as the banks of the Atbara (so maybe organized?).

Suleiman Solon reigned from 1603-1637
Aggressive/Spritual
He was the founder of the Darfurian state. He was a great warrior and a devoted Muslim. His surname "Solon" means "the Arab" or "the Red".

My other idea is perhaps the Seljuks and Afghans could be added? both have been created and are very good. And perhaps Hayam Wuruk as well Gajah for the Majapahit?

That's all from me now!

P.S. I real this may be a bit tetchy with the civil war there and all but, just a suggestion, could be a good civ and probably little known too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_Sultanate
All info is from this link!