Oh the forgotten Wonder section. :goodjob:

I've heard that you took out the internet. Is this true?

Also, the wonder that you can build for discovering philosophy (forgot the name), it's extra hammer for priest specialists is a bit lame. Could you maybe power it up a bit?

its not necciserily a wonder but put in the encyclopedia avalible at printing press . the effect would be similar tothe old civ3 great library you recive a tech when two other civs have that technology.

how about changing the effects of the pyramids?

in ryhe's mod, he changed the effects. I didnt read too much into however what about instead of "unlocking" all govermental civics, the pyramids allow all religious civics? I think that is what some people were suggesting.

Please don't do that. Organisd religion, theocracy, and pacifism are all eas to get so it would be ointless in that regard, and allowing someone to get free religion almost from the start, would allow them to completely skip around religion altogether. Unbalancing I think.

Leave the pyramids alone!

WarKirby

How about making the great wall a national wonder?

WarKirby

Please don't do that. Organisd religion, theocracy, and pacifism are all eas to get so it would be ointless in that regard, and allowing someone to get free religion almost from the start, would allow them to completely skip around religion altogether. Unbalancing I think.

Leave the pyramids alone!

WarKirby

Then maybe adding some other benefits, i dont know. Maybe access to all governmental civics isnt the "best" option. I only brought this topic up, as it was being discussed in rhye's forum.

what about the hagia sophia? currently this provides i think currently 50% increased worker speed and a certain amount of Great people produced per turn(i forgot what precise amounts or which type of great person)

But maybe this wonder's effects can be changed a little. How useful is the 50% increased worker speed?:confused:

Any thoughts?...

IMO there pyramid affect needs to be changed altogether

Why? It's good the way it is.

here's a thought for anindustrial/modern wonder - walmart let give you a gold bonus but you get one unhappiness . htis is because they make alot of money but unhappiness because they kill the little guy and independent bussiness

here's a thought for anindustrial/modern wonder - walmart let give you a gold bonus but you get one unhappiness . htis is because they make alot of money but unhappiness because they kill the little guy and independent bussiness


Huh, :confused: :confused: :confused:

That doesn't make since because everytime I go to Wal-mart I see one of these, :) , isn't that an automatic happy face???

Just pointing out that Wal-mart is a :)place not a :mad:place

Huh, :confused: :confused: :confused:

That doesn't make since because everytime I go to Wal-mart I see one of these, :) , isn't that an automatic happy face???

Just pointing out that Wal-mart is a :)place not a :mad:place

:lol: :lol:

here's a thought for anindustrial/modern wonder - walmart let give you a gold bonus but you get one unhappiness . htis is because they make alot of money but unhappiness because they kill the little guy and independent bussiness

they make consumers happy because price is generally cheaper and all the goods at one place brings convience. Not to mention provides quite a bit of jobs which generally makes people happier.:mischief:

the reason I said give one unhappiness is because small bussiness always complains abot them ptting them out of bussiness.

but it should be a wonder that can be built in other countries the one that builds it first gets extra gold for each city its built in

I was reading in another thread about the pantheon that would be a good one to add

What ? Pantheon is in Vanilla.

no the pantheon not parthenon; the pantheon was a religous building in roman times; not the parthanon in athens

Does that matter ? Mongols will build them both ;)

New wonders are not necesary for me. We allready have many of 'em. Giving them more will unballance game. One cicilization will build early ones and will have so many GPs that it will have feudalism in 700bc.
Also culture might also make it a early victory.

Stonehenge, pyramids, great lighthouse, temple of artmedis, great wall, parthenon. If you build them all, your god till middle ages. Another wonder in early age would make game even more unballanced.

Another thing is that i find "selling" wonders production better than finishing them. I will have enought cash to rush science on -gold/turn and become over advanced. I do that quite a lot and thats why i rarelly play on easier than Monarch.

http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Pantheon.html this is a web site w/a picture of the pantheon

My suggestions of brand new wonders:

ENGINEERING:
1. Suez Canal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal
2. Palm Islands - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands
3. Golden Gate bridge - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_Bridge
4. Warsaw radio mast - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_radio_mast
5. Trans-Siberian Railway - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Siberian_Railway

SOCIAL/CIVILIZED:
1. Genome project - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genome
2. Enigma cipher - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine
3. Universal vaccines - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine
4. Holy Empire - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Roman_Empire
or European Union - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union
5. System of Units - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ystem_of_Units

Usage and details can be talked :p

My suggestions of brand new wonders:

ENGINEERING:
1. Suez Canal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal
2. Palm Islands - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands
3. Golden Gate bridge - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_Bridge
4. Warsaw radio mast - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_radio_mast
5. Trans-Siberian Railway - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Siberian_Railway

SOCIAL/CIVILIZED:
6. Genome project - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genome
7. Enigma cipher - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine
8. Universal vaccines - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine
9. Holy Empire - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Roman_Empire
or European Union - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union
10. System of Units - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ystem_of_Units

Usage and details can be talked :p

Vertico,

Some very good ideas. Personnaly, i like the 1, 3, 8 and 9. Try to find good building graphics and buttons and we would talk about them.
Note that i have already implemented 3 new wonders (One National and 2 World). Wait for the next release to see them. Be patient. They are nice and (i hope) would give more taste to the game.

Hian the Frog.

One idea about United Nations wonder.
I saw that not we are able to take resolutions about every civics which is nice but is it possible to implement somo penalties for breaking resolutions?

For example:
Resolution: Global Civic - Free religion succeded!
Then in the couple of turns some civs switch back to their old civics with no harm!

For breaking the resolution should be implemented negative value in diplomacy.

The same with prohibiting nuclear misilles. I never saw any single civ which was against this resolution and it drives me mad, when I cannot use this weapon :( even against UN, like Nothern Korea!

A question for Shahname.
Is it needed ?
Civ IV allready has National and Heroic Epic. Maybe change Shahnameh into unique wonder for Persians ?

Some statistics. Number of Great Wonders (National Wonders and replacements of such not counted) historically belonging to civs currently in game (from the most numerous):

Greece: 6 (Hagia Sophia and Mausoleum not included, Temple of Artemis is - it belonged to Greeks only)
USA: 5
China: 3
Egypt: 3
England: 3
France: 3
Persia: 2
Rome: 2 (Italy actually)
India: 1
Mali: 1
Russia: 1
Viking: 1 (Eirik Raude, might not be Great, don't remember)
Ottomans: 1 (if we count Sophia - it shows with minarets in-game, anyway:D )
Germany: 1 (only if Gutenberg is Great)
Aztec: 1 (but built by Maya actually)
Arab: 1 (Spiral Minaret - though not in Arabia proper)
Carthage: 0
Celts: 0
Incas: 0
Japan: 0 (!)
Korea: 0
Mongolia: 0
Spain: 0 (!)
Zulus: 0

Nations whose wonders are included, but not represented by civs:
Cambodia - Angkor Wat
Maya - Chichen Itza (later Aztec)
Poland - Copernicus
Babylon - Hanging Gardens
New Zealand - Universal Suffrage

I'd suggest keeping this in mind while adding new wonders in. Some suggestions would be Escorial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escorial) or Alhambra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra) for Spain, Süleymaniye Mosque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suleiman_Mosque) or Topkapı Palace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topkap%C4%B1_Palace) for Ottos, Bushido Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido) for Japan. Some prior suggestions should be noted too, like Enigma for Germany and Palm Islands for Arabs. And maybe axe a wonder or two from Greece and America ;).

New Zealand - Universal Suffrage


Turkey actually was the first.

To not loose them. My suggestions for etnical Heroic na National Epics:

Epic of Gilgamesh - HE for Persia
Shah Name - NE for Persia
The Song of Roland - HE for France
Tristan and Isolda - NE for France
Iliad - HE for Greece
Antigone - NE for Greece
Aeneid - HE for Rome
Decameron - NE for Rome
The Lay of the Cid - HE for Spain
Don Quixote - NE for Spain
Mahabharata - NE for India
Ramayana - HE for India
Lay of Hildebrand - HE for Germany
Faust - NE for Germany
Arthurian legend - HE for England
Romeo and Juliet - NE for England
The Tale of Igor's Campaign - HE for Russia
Heimskringla - HE for Vikings
Story of Wenamun - HE for Egypt
Book of the Dead - NE for Egypt
Romance of the Three Kingdoms - NE for China
Water Margin - HE for China
The Book of One Thousand and One Nights - NE for Arabs
Life of Sultan Baibars - HE for Arabs
The Last of the Mohicans - HE for America
Moby-Dick - NE for America
The Tale of Genji - NE for Japan
The Tale of the Heike - HE for Japan

Bushido Code for Japan.
Bushido is Code it self, so adding "code" word to it is wrong.

Turkey actually was the first.

See Universal Suffrage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrage). New Zealand or Finland. Maybe New Jersey. :D

Bushido Code for Japan.
Bushido is Code it self, so adding "code" word to it is wrong.

Bushi Do is Warrior's Path. "Code of Warrior's Path" sounds all right to me. Still, it, of course, can be used without "code" too.

War and Peace as NE for Russia?

I'd suggest keeping this in mind while adding new wonders in. Some suggestions would be Escorial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escorial) or Alhambra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra) for Spain, Süleymaniye Mosque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suleiman_Mosque) or Topkapı Palace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topkap%C4%B1_Palace) for Ottos, Bushido Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido) for Japan. Some prior suggestions should be noted too, like Enigma for Germany and Palm Islands for Arabs. And maybe axe a wonder or two from Greece and America ;).

Alhambra is Arab, not Spanish. Hagia Sophia is Greek, not Ottoman (although the addition of minarets with bulky footings countered the bearing capacity failure and extended its life by centuries). By declaration of Suleymaniye Mosque's builder, Selimiye Mosque in Edirne (also built by him) is his bigger, better, final masterwork. Some also prefer Sultanahmet (a.k.a. Blue) Mosque.

To not loose them. My suggestions for etnical Heroic na National Epics:


Ottomans:
Estergon Castle for HE
Koroglu for NE

Alhambra is Arab, not Spanish. Hagia Sophia is Greek, not Ottoman (although the addition of minarets with bulky footings countered the bearing capacity failure and extended its life by centuries). By declaration of Suleymaniye Mosque's builder, Selimiye Mosque in Edirne (also built by him) is his bigger, better, final masterwork. Some also prefer Sultanahmet (a.k.a. Blue) Mosque.

I'm mostly aware of all this. In-game Hagia Sophia has minarets, so it's from Ottoman age (although it was like this even before Ottos were in :)), and actual Sophia is now about as Turkish as Greek. Alhambra is of course built by arabs, but in Iberia, not in Arabia, and for now has been under catholic Spain much longer than under islamic rulers. Suleymaniye Mosque and Blue Mosque are Sinan's best known creations (and wonderful too - been there, seen that). I just had to choose one.

I'm mostly aware of all this. In-game Hagia Sophia has minarets, so it's from Ottoman age (although it was like this even before Ottos were in :)), and actual Sophia is now about as Turkish as Greek. Alhambra is of course built by arabs, but in Iberia, not in Arabia, and for now has been under catholic Spain much longer than under islamic rulers. Suleymaniye Mosque and Blue Mosque are Sinan's best known creations (and wonderful too - been there, seen that). I just had to choose one.

Well, in civgame terms that makes both Hagia Sophia and Alhambra built by one nation, then its city conquered by another. So I maintain my original thoughts. I am not saying Hagia Sophia is not as Turkish as Greek. Not only it was the center of worship in Ottoman capital for 500 years, it was the architectural precursor to all Ottoman mosques.

Blue Mosque is not Sinan's, it is the next century.

In my opinion Selimiye beats both Blue and Suleymaniye in awesomeness, and Mihrimah (also Sinan's) Mosque beats everything in engineering.

PS. I am a Turk, so obviously not here for aimless Turk-bashing.

@Walter Hawkwood

Bishido was actually never a code. I was a way of warrior, telling what determinates a warrior. It was used as code arround 1300ad (if i remember right) to weaken warrior class (bushi) and make nability also a warriors (samurai class). Thats from where samurai not only had to be loyal, trustworthy, honest, but also all what warrior was about to be. However it was not as strict as it was made later, making Bushi class to dissapear and leave only samurai class.
In 1590ad Hideyoshi Toyotomi put up Caste System (more strict than before) making all Bushi to take a decision, eighther to sign up as Samurai, and not only obey Bushido, but also Samurai Oaths, or simply sign him self as normal citzen lower towards samurai, or even peasant (depends on wealth of bushi).
In 1603 and later Tokugawa brough up a better administration, making Bushido and Samurai Oaths much more worthy. Breaking Bushido, or Oath was no longer dishonor, but also punished often by death (of course Ieyasu didnt care to break it to upkeep his possition). From Tokugawa rule Bushido has become simmilar to a "code", but actually code of laws said that breaking Bushido is punished, not Bushido said it. Punishments were made according to Code of Lawas not Bushido (Hence there are two rituals, Harakiri and Seppuku, hitch are nearelly same, or even same, but one comes from Bushido, other from Code of Laws).
So i dont think that Literacy gained in Classical Age (1600 is Reinessance Europe, Middleages in Japan) will suffit Bushido as National Epic Wonder. There are other, such as Croniques of Myamoto familly, or Takauji Ashikaga.
As for Heroic Epic, Techniques of Minamoto Yoritomo (Aiki-no-jiu-jitsu), as it was begining of Japanese Matrial Arts, based on Human anatomy, not Chinese based on animal behaviour.

I would search there, its you to take the effort thou lol.

Well, in civgame terms that makes both Hagia Sophia and Alhambra built by one nation, then its city conquered by another. So I maintain my original thoughts. I am not saying Hagia Sophia is not as Turkish as Greek. Not only it was the center of worship in Ottoman capital for 500 years, it was the architectural precursor to all Ottoman mosques.

Blue Mosque is not Sinan's, it is the next century.

In my opinion Selimiye beats both Blue and Suleymaniye in awesomeness, and Mihrimah (also Sinan's) Mosque beats everything in engineering.

PS. I am a Turk, so obviously not here for aimless Turk-bashing.

I see. :) And of course, a much better expert than me in mosques. Those in Istanbul i liked all. :)

I am very close to calling for Gazprom Great Wonder: see yourself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazprom). Guess it is actually more economically powerful than Russia and as close as it so far gets to a corporate state. Guess it is very easy to implement: provides n "natural gas" resources like several wonders already in game. Maybe gives some economic benefits by itself too.

@Walter Hawkwood

Bishido was actually never a code. I was a way of warrior, telling what determinates a warrior. It was used as code arround 1300ad (if i remember right) to weaken warrior class (bushi) and make nability also a warriors (samurai class). Thats from where samurai not only had to be loyal, trustworthy, honest, but also all what warrior was about to be. However it was not as strict as it was made later, making Bushi class to dissapear and leave only samurai class.
In 1590ad Hideyoshi Toyotomi put up Caste System (more strict than before) making all Bushi to take a decision, eighther to sign up as Samurai, and not only obey Bushido, but also Samurai Oaths, or simply sign him self as normal citzen lower towards samurai, or even peasant (depends on wealth of bushi).
In 1603 and later Tokugawa brough up a better administration, making Bushido and Samurai Oaths much more worthy. Breaking Bushido, or Oath was no longer dishonor, but also punished often by death (of course Ieyasu didnt care to break it to upkeep his possition). From Tokugawa rule Bushido has become simmilar to a "code", but actually code of laws said that breaking Bushido is punished, not Bushido said it. Punishments were made according to Code of Lawas not Bushido (Hence there are two rituals, Harakiri and Seppuku, hitch are nearelly same, or even same, but one comes from Bushido, other from Code of Laws).
So i dont think that Literacy gained in Classical Age (1600 is Reinessance Europe, Middleages in Japan) will suffit Bushido as National Epic Wonder. There are other, such as Croniques of Myamoto familly, or Takauji Ashikaga.
As for Heroic Epic, Techniques of Minamoto Yoritomo (Aiki-no-jiu-jitsu), as it was begining of Japanese Matrial Arts, based on Human anatomy, not Chinese based on animal behaviour.

I would search there, its you to take the effort thou lol.

I thought it could make for a Great Wonder, or else maybe HE. Any other ideas on Japanese Great Wonders?

Tokyo Tower ?
Emperor Palace in Kyoto or Tokyo?
Genbaku Domu in Hiroshima ?
Yasukuni-jinja ?
Kabuki-za
Tsukiji allready is implanted.
Fukugawa Edo Tokio muzeum.
Sanso-ji, Asakusa Kannon
Tokyo metropolian Goverment office
Shinkansenu (bullet-train)
Tosho-gu
Nakano-shima
Kobe dancing fish statue (check this out, not wonder actually, but who knows)
Sanjusangen-do
Kinkaku-ji
Todai-ji

Want some more ?
Some are "unique" Wonders such as France and Germany has. Some I want to be new Religious buidlings. etc. Read about them and decide (this goes to TR team too)

One more (quite obvious, but not yet implemented) idea. Great Temples. Religion specific great wonders, but not Prophet-dependent. Like, if you're christian, you can build st. Peter's Cathedral. Basically, a wonder for every religion. Not every is easy right away, but some ideas:

Christianity - st. Peter's
Islam - Masjid al-Haram (make Kaaba Great Shrine instead)
Hindu - Angkor Wat (just make it religion specific)
Buddhism - Shaolin Monastery
Judaism - Alteneushul or Hurva Synagogue (maybe even the Second Temple - I know it was the first one rebuilt, but what if Judaism grew stronger?)

See Universal Suffrage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrage). New Zealand or Finland. Maybe New Jersey. :D


You're right. Turkey implemented Universal suffrage after Atatürk's reforms. Guys from Discovery Channel made mistake this time :)

Bushido Code for Japan.
Bushido is Code it self, so adding "code" word to it is wrong.

I disagree. Bushido is a philosophy not an epic story of a heroes, nations or whatever. In my opinion NE or HE must be epic.
So it only appears as a project - similar to Sun Tzu?

@Vertico

Simmilar to Sun Tsu's Art of War, but Sun Tsu was a general. Dont kn0ow if he wrote it all by him self, never read. But so far i heared Sun Tsu's Art of War, determinates what human must do in wars, when to end a war etc. when Bushido allso said what warrior must do every day. His respect for weapon for instance.

@ Walter Hawkwood

Cristianity - It must be changed. Popacy Cathedral (dont remember what was its name) shoudl be made a Shrine. As For Church of Nativy - I havent heared of it till Civ IV... Maybe some Grand cathedral as Great Temple ? Like Fatima, but its a bit too young one actually...
Islam - Kaaba I agree. Shrine.

@ Walter Hawkwood

Cristianity - It must be changed. Popacy Cathedral (dont remember what was its name) shoudl be made a Shrine. As For Church of Nativy - I havent heared of it till Civ IV... Maybe some Grand cathedral as Great Temple ? Like Fatima, but its a bit too young one actually...
Islam - Kaaba I agree. Shrine.


Papacy Cathedral - st. Peter's Basilica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Peter%27s_Basilica), that's what I was tlaking about. But for Christian Great Shrine I'd change it to Church of the Holy Sepulchre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Sepulcher), as it is holy not only for the catholics, but for all christians.

More on Great Temples - they could all be doing about the same, providing different boni to clergy specialists (like Angkor Wat already does). That would help to bring more flavour to different religions without seriously unbalancing them.

Hello to everyone.

Awesome mod; I have been playing about three hours a day almost everyday since christmas.

Personally, I love Great Wonder concept: they give you a benefit good enought to try to build them, but not good enought to win the game. So, I am always looking for new wonders.

I suppose you know about new seven wonders' votation:
http://www.new7wonders.com/index.php?id=426

I think all these "wonders" are good enought to be included in the mod. Effects:
- Hagia Sofia, Kremlin, Eiffel Tower, Stonehenge, Eiffel Tower, Great Wall, Angkor Wat, Taj Mahal, Piramids, Chichen Itza and Statue of Liberty are included now

- Acropolis and Colisseum
Maybe not necessary, as similars are included in civ iv

- Timbuktu and Petra are towns, not wonders itself, so maybe they should not be included

- Neuschwanstein Castle:
Castles genere +1 culture

- The Alhambra:
Arabs were a major civ when Alhambra was finished. Maybe the effect could be a Great People of your election, as well as a high cultural rate or happy people in the city where Alhambra is build.

- Kiyomizu Temple:
I unknow Japan history; maybe 10 free "missionaries" (or better units: invisible and able to cross frontiers to spread your religion)

- Sydney Opera House:
Right now coliseums give you a happy people for 20% of culture; with this wonder, maybe this could be a happy people for 10% culture

- Statue of Chris:
Lower maintenance cost for cities with a catedral (or similar building for other religions)

- Easter Isles Statues:
I would give these a maritim benefit: ¿maybe free Navigation I (+1 movement) promotion?



I love projects concept: a "wonder" which can not be hurry using a material, nor conquered... I think Cure of Cancer, Universal Suffrage and Theory of Evolution should be projects, not "Wonders". Maybe more ones could be added: Genoma proyect? (+1 wealth for sheeps/pigs/cows); Telephone?; TV?...



Finally, right now there is an action that if you are the first to accomplish give you an advance: encircle with a ship the world will give you +1 movement for your ships. Maybe other "specials" could be added: being the first to "meet" all other civs in the game (Marco Polo Voyage, +1 diplomatic relantionships), meet the village with "something" hidden (El Dorado: you found 2000 coins), being the first to travel from "north pole" to "south pole"...


Regards,
Crolador-.

Timbuktu is represented by the Universtiy of Sankora

The Acropolis is basicly the same as the Parthanon

Petra dosnt realy mean the city, they mean the stone carved temples their particularly the one used in the Indian Jones movie. hrochland has done some art for this one as well.

Most of the other are also avalible, only the EasterIsland Status (Maoi), Alhambra and the Kiyomizu Temple lack artwork.

I'm working on making Moduals containing many of these wonders, I'm codeing new effects for many of them but others are making all the art as they see fit but occasionaly at my request. I have about a dozen done so far and will release them soon.

To not loose them. My suggestions for etnical Heroic na National Epics:

Epic of Gilgamesh - HE for Persia
Shah Name - NE for Persia
The Song of Roland - HE for France
Tristan and Isolda - NE for France
Iliad - HE for Greece
Antigone - NE for Greece
Aeneid - HE for Rome
Decameron - NE for Rome
The Lay of the Cid - HE for Spain
Don Quixote - NE for Spain
Mahabharata - NE for India
Ramayana - HE for India
Lay of Hildebrand - HE for Germany
Faust - NE for Germany
Arthurian legend - HE for England
Romeo and Juliet - NE for England
The Tale of Igor's Campaign - HE for Russia
Heimskringla - HE for Vikings
Story of Wenamun - HE for Egypt
Book of the Dead - NE for Egypt
Romance of the Three Kingdoms - NE for China
Water Margin - HE for China
The Book of One Thousand and One Nights - NE for Arabs
Life of Sultan Baibars - HE for Arabs
The Last of the Mohicans - HE for America
Moby-Dick - NE for America
The Tale of Genji - NE for Japan
The Tale of the Heike - HE for Japan
I would recommend The Red Badge of Courage for America's Heroic Epic, and the works of Mark Twain (Adventures of Huckleberry Finn in Particular) as it is a story that is distinctly american, being one of the first books to use local nomeclature.
Japan's Heroic Epic should probably be the Book of Five Rings, as its written by Japans most famous Warrior, Miyamoto Musashi.
Tristan and Isoldan is a tricky book to give to france, as it was written by and Englishman, and most famously revived by a German.
Germany has a number of more famous and influential choices for Heroic epic, such as All quiet on the Western Front, Vom Kriege, or The Ring Cycle, its one of Germany's most famous artistic achievements.

For Rome of course better would be NE "The Divine Comedy" I have no idea why I put Decameron there :confused: Wrote something when though about something else:blush:

The Divine Comedy is more Italian city-state than Roman, is it not? The Decameron, despite being of less monumental import, is a genuinely Roman text.

They are both italian, since they're both written in ancient italian (volgare) and both 1000 years after the Roman empire was gone (Divina Commedia around 1320 - Decameron around 1350).

To be honest don't come in my mind an italian poem that can be a national epic, and the only heroic epic that comes in my mind is Julius Caesar's De Bello Gallico.
But someone less ignorant than me can have some suggestion.

Aeneid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeneid)? :)

Aeneid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeneid)? :)
It's a Virgil's (roman) epic poem, and the story tells of a Trojan who escapes and generates the founders of Rome... but this contrasts with other legends about the foundation of Rome.
As i posted before doesn't comes in my mind a true HE or NE for Italy (or Rome). I think the only actual national hero was Garibaldi, but there're no poems or else about his deeds.
Anyway the Divine Comedy is a world literature masterpiece, and it can be considered a NE.
The Aeneid hardly an HE, but if anyone can propose something better...

Anyway the Divine Comedy is a world literature masterpiece, and it can be considered a NE.
The Aeneid hardly an HE, but if anyone can propose something better...

This is what exactly I was thinking when writing above's list

A few suggestions about current wonders:

- "Louvre Museum" should be just "Louvre" or "Le Louvre"
- "Mausoleum of Mausoleos" sounds strange as the word mausoleum was derived from his name, so it should be "Tomb of M." instead
- the "Red Cross" requires 8 hospitals and medicine, while you already need medicine to build hospitals, so its a useless req.
- "Cold fusion plant" requires 8 nuclear plants, while you want to build such wonders to avoid building plants. This is something like giving "Statue of Zeus" a req. to have 4 pagan temples. And since you cant demolish nuclear plants afaik... This also makes this clearly inferior to "Three gorges dam" which doesnt have requirements. I would change it to only have "Nuclear Plant" req. to be build.
- "Temple of Dionysos" gets obsolete by researching liberalism? What does liberalism have to do with it?
- "Theory of Evolution" is overpowered. It has 2 benefits (+1 specialist, +1 tech) that other wonders only have alone, so its like Statue of Liberty + The Oracle
- Fish market nat. wonder (huh, whatever the name is :) ) could have a 100% build bonus if you have fish.

Also, you should rise the national wonder limit to 3, since you added a lot of new nat. wonders which makes it very hard to build them all on small maps.

Plus great general emergence is way too low compared to the high amount of doctrine wonders/nat. wonders they can create, which results in noone ever using them as generals. At least i always have to "save" even my early generals to be able to build the later doctrines that I want. Using just only one as an army general is completely out of question.

A few suggestions about current wonders:

- "Louvre Museum" should be just "Louvre" or "Le Louvre"
- "Mausoleum of Mausoleos" sounds strange as the word mausoleum was derived from his name, so it should be "Tomb of M." instead
- the "Red Cross" requires 8 hospitals and medicine, while you already need medicine to build hospitals, so its a useless req.
- "Cold fusion plant" requires 8 nuclear plants, while you want to build such wonders to avoid building plants. This is something like giving "Statue of Zeus" a req. to have 4 pagan temples. And since you cant demolish nuclear plants afaik... This also makes this clearly inferior to "Three gorges dam" which doesnt have requirements. I would change it to only have "Nuclear Plant" req. to be build.
- "Temple of Dionysos" gets obsolete by researching liberalism? What does liberalism have to do with it?
- "Theory of Evolution" is overpowered. It has 2 benefits (+1 specialist, +1 tech) that other wonders only have alone, so its like Statue of Liberty + The Oracle
- Fish market nat. wonder (huh, whatever the name is :) ) could have a 100% build bonus if you have fish.

Also, you should rise the national wonder limit to 3, since you added a lot of new nat. wonders which makes it very hard to build them all on small maps.

Plus great general emergence is way too low compared to the high amount of doctrine wonders/nat. wonders they can create, which results in noone ever using them as generals. At least i always have to "save" even my early generals to be able to build the later doctrines that I want. Using just only one as an army general is completely out of question.

Good catches on wonders. Fish market should actually require fish. :)

AFAIK, Nat. Wonder limit is already at 3. Some people get confused because Palace is obviously a NW, so it is one lower for your capital.

As for GGs, that really depends on playing style. If you fight a lot of wars, you'll have plenty of them. Certain traits also help...

Why fish market should require fishes. Its market not factory, they buy fishes from other civs, or smuglers.
Besides, water titles gives +1:food: (+2 with lighthouse), so i would say, that there are fishes in each title.