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Houman

Oct 03, 2006, 02:28 AM

Sorry another forgotten thread. Please post your ideas and improvements about great people and specialists.

Regards
Houman

WarKirby

Oct 03, 2006, 08:58 AM

Anyway. As you get to about the mid industrial era, the game runs out of great people, and starts randomply generating names. This is annoying. I know there's nothing that can be done to prevent this. but surely it could be staved off a little longer with a few more great people.

My ideas

Artist
George Lucas
Sid Meier
Will Wright
Hironobu Sakaguchi
Nobuo Uematsu
Kurt Cobain
Walt Disney
Hayao Miyazaki

Merchant
William (bill) Gates
Warren Buffet
Richard Branson

Scientist
Prof. Stephen Hawking

What does everyone think? Did I list anyone who is already in the game?

WarKirby

hs1611

Oct 06, 2006, 02:00 PM

A couple more

Artist
TR Team
Sevo

Walter Hawkwood

Dec 15, 2006, 06:06 AM

Mexico

Dec 15, 2006, 07:21 AM

Are you willing to accept GP additions/corrections? At least for some European nations, the list can be expanded/altered. I'd provide names, links to bio summaries and pictures, if I knew it had a chance to be implemented.

of course taht is chance to be implemented (not for gold release, but for later releases, maybe as patch)

Walter Hawkwood

Dec 15, 2006, 09:20 AM

Then I'll begin. We'll take on Russia first. I aim for 7-9 GP of every kind, preferably equally distributed through ages. As we're talking Great People here, most of them are in Wikipedia, with portraits and stuff, and a wiki link is quite enough.

Prophets:

- Vladimir I of Kiev. He isn't exactly a prophet. A prophet must have had an expressed opinion - if not actual prophecies, then at least an authentic view on divine or mystical aspect of life. I see Great Prophets more as visionaries and thinkers than politicians and rulers, more church reformers than state reformers. To somewhat reinforce ancient/medieval prophet lineup there will be some newcomers:

+ Sergius of Radonezh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Sergius_of_Radonezh

+ Patriarch Nikon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_Nikon

+ Seraphim of Sarov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraphim_Sarovsky

Artists:

We'll strive to have a fair mix of genres here.

- Antonin Dvorak. He's a Czech who worked in Austria and in USA.

- Alexandra Ekster. Strange to have her if you don't have Malevich, THE most prominent person in Russian cubism.

+/- Mark Chagall. Spent most of his life out of Russia. Still, he's debatable.

+ Alexander Pushkin (poet).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushkin

+ Andrei Rublev (iconographer).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rublev

+ Andrei Tarkovsky (cinematographer).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarkovsky

+ Kazimir Malevich (painter).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malevich

and for a great composer either

+ Peter Tchaikovsky (gay :D)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky

+ Modest Mussorgsky (alcoholic :D)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musorgsky

Scientists:

- Isaac Asimov. Lived in US since 3-year old age, didn't even speak Russian.

+ Lev Landau (physics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Davidovich_Landau

+ Sofia Kovalevskaya (maths, for some women in science ;))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kovalevskaya

+ Nikolai Vavilov (genetics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Vavilov

+ Konstantin Tsiolkovsky (rocket science)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsiolkovsky

Merchants:

Some great merchant families will be represented by a single person here.

- Ermak Timofeevich. More of a conqueror than explorer, and certainly no merchant. Think Hernan Cortes.

+ Savva Mamontov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savva_Mamontov

+ Alexander Stroganov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Grigoriyevich_Stroganov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroganov

+ Grigory Shelikhov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Shelikhov

+ Pavel Tretyakov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Mikhailovich_Tretyakov

+ Roman Abramovich
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/profile/abramovich.shtml

Engineers:

- Vladimir Zworykin. Made all significant stuff in USA.

+/- Rastrelli. Not exactly engineer.

+ Alexander Popov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Stepanovich_Popov

+ Yefim Cherepanov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherepanov
http://history.ntagil.ru/6_34.htm

+ Mikhail Kalashnikov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Kalashnikov

+ Stephen Timoshenko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Timoshenko

Generals:

Here, we'll strive for 15, especially as Russia has imperialistic leaders. We have 15 from the start, but it looks quite grim, as most of them are misplaced. Amazing, as Russia really has lots of folks worthy of mention here.

- Ivan Kozhedub. An ace pilot to be sure, but never commanded anything larger than a division.

- Ivan III, Mikhail Romanov and Ivan the Terrible. Tsars almost never assumed command at war. We'll include famous commanders of their time.

- Nadezhda Durova. Never commanded anything at all.

- Leon Trotsky. Not exactly a brilliant commander.

- Radomir Putnik. Not related to Russia at all. A Serb.

- Barclay de Tolly. Was actually demoted for being unsuccessful.

+ Svyatoslav
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sviatoslav_I_of_Kiev

+ Mikhail Skobelev
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Skobelev

+ Mikhail Skopin-Shuisky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Skopin-Shuisky

+ Dmitry Pozharsky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Pozharski

+ Peter Rumyantsev-Zadunaysky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumyantsev

+ Pavel Nakhimov (admiral, but we have Drake and Nelson for England)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakhimov

+ Fyodor Ushakov (admiral)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Fyodorovich_Ushakov

+ Mikhail Tukhachevsky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tukhachevsky

+ Konstantin Rokossovsky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rokossovsky

Hian the Frog

Dec 15, 2006, 01:53 PM

Walter Hawkwood

Dec 15, 2006, 02:13 PM

Hi man,

Very interesting comment. :goodjob: Maybe you are right for most of them but at that time we won't waste our time to do new ones. :)
Furthemore i want to add some man and woman not enough known or forgotten because not represented by a civ (as Putnik, the Serbian General, that i add to Russia because he was a of "Slavian blood" for example).
I also add that even if really like some of your suggestion, there will always have some people to ask for an add-on or a remove of a GP because he like/dislike him/her, or simply want him/her to be added/removed.
To finish, our goal was also to add GP from all the time areas of the game if possible. So, can you give me a GP of Russia from around 500 BC ? Or a Zulu great scientist ?

I hope that your understand our problem and our goal. Even for my own country (France), i took only a very small part of the GG i know (and they are plentifull). ;) and i don't create the awesome list i had (for example i can add 37 GA for my country and the list is not ended).

Last but not least: If you want to help us to add 5 or 6 GPs by civ (those who are really important in your mind), you will be welcome ! :D
Just contact me !

Hian the Frog

Well, I understand, and for most civs the list can be stretched even farther (I actually had quite a bit of selective decision making when selecting GA for Russia as well). What I try to do is to create a comprehensive list where every civ (at least in Europe, I don't think I'll manage to do China or Korea) would get 7-8 GP of every kind and 10-15 GGs. I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can, and use only two main criteria - the selected GP must have lived and worked in country representing civ in question (as in here Rus-Russia-Russian Empire-USSR-Russian Federation) and he/she must be considered great (this is quite subjective, so I solve it by being great=being in wikipedia :)).

I do understand why some GP have been included in the civs they don't belong to, and I highly praise the heroism of a man compiling the list of Zulu GPs :D. Still, my opinion is that where there's an opportunity to create a list of GPs of correct nationality, it should be done. That's why I'm asking if I should continue with that stuff, or take it easy and don't spam you with GP suggestions.

P.S. Inspired by you, tried to think a list of various GA for Russia off the top of my head, only those I can remember without consulting anything - mostly from school. Stopped at 43. So I did quite some selective work too, you see... :D

Hian the Frog

Dec 15, 2006, 03:32 PM

Well, I understand, and for most civs the list can be stretched even farther (I actually had quite a bit of selective decision making when selecting GA for Russia as well). What I try to do is to create a comprehensive list where every civ (at least in Europe, I don't think I'll manage to do China or Korea) would get 7-8 GP of every kind and 10-15 GGs. I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can, and use only two main criteria - the selected GP must have lived and worked in country representing civ in question (as in here Rus-Russia-Russian Empire-USSR-Russian Federation) and he/she must be considered great (this is quite subjective, so I solve it by being great=being in wikipedia :)).

I do understand why some GP have been included in the civs they don't belong to, and I highly praise the heroism of a man compiling the list of Zulu GPs :D. Still, my opinion is that where there's an opportunity to create a list of GPs of correct nationality, it should be done. That's why I'm asking if I should continue with that stuff, or take it easy and don't spam you with GP suggestions.

P.S. Inspired by you, tried to think a list of various GA for Russia off the top of my head, only those I can remember without consulting anything - mostly from school. Stopped at 43. So I did quite some selective work too, you see... :D

Walter,

Your job is not a waste of time. As we are only three, it's not on the top list today. We will "stabilize" our mod first. Then there will have some improvements. Maybe a corrected or improved list ? Who knows ? :p

Be sure, that' i will read your next posts (if you do some) as it's me that add most of the GPs in the Team.

Thanks for this Russian list. As i already said some GPs are interesting.

Hian the Frog

Anaztazioch

Dec 15, 2006, 03:39 PM

Can we made Warlords/Great Generals more usefulls ?
20xp points and new promotions where only those with withdraw and +100% xp from combat are interesting is a bit too small isay. Especially when AI uses them to attack fully healed units.
+2xp is also a bit too smal conserning how hard it is to get one for non imperialistic civ. This cannot even get lvl 4 unit. militaristic + barrack + 2 is only 8xp (there is no civ with militaristic and charismatic).

Gaius Octavius

Feb 07, 2007, 02:05 PM

Anyway. As you get to about the mid industrial era, the game runs out of great people, and starts randomply generating names. This is annoying. I know there's nothing that can be done to prevent this. but surely it could be staved off a little longer with a few more great people.

I have compiled a much more extensive list than is currently in Total Realism [see my sig], which has 10-15 names per person type on average. Also, I am currently in the process of expanding this to ~30 names per person.