Ok, this thread is about new city styles for this mod.

Which sorts of city art styles should be in this mod? Which civs could/should share the same art, how should these cities look like....

Please post your ideas (and maybe some pics)

Glad you opened this thread and welcome:)

PL already made some awesome models for the woodelves, we're just waiting for him to post them and create a new cityart out of them. And works on High and Darkelves.

Cathay and Nippon will use the asian style from warlords.
Tilea can use the greco-roman art from there.
Araby and Ind could use your new mideastern art.
Empire, Bretonnia, Estalia(Spain) can use standard european art.(Maybe we can mix it with FFH Order for the first 2 and give Estalia a mix of european and mideastern style)
Chaos maybe can utilize th FFH veil for now allthough ideas are allways welcome here too.
Dwarves(Maybe Kilmorph?)

No Art at all available we have yet for:
Orcs and Goblins, Ogre Lords later too(could be something like the new zulu barracks, round tents with skulls and paintings as decor)
Tombkings will need an egyptian style(but symbols of death instead of ankhs)
Sylvania is definitly dark gothic(veil can be placeholder)
Lizardmen, Amazons is aztec-incastyle
Kislev needs something russian style(Kreml, orthodox churches etc. are good inspiration)
Norse is vikings of course(vanilla palace fits the style)


Apart from cityart we need unique gfx for buildings like palaces, barracks, castles etc. that should then fit to the cityart.

Ok. now I have some information.

I think we could recycle some European stuff for Kislev and mix some orthodox buildings in.

yep agreed.

i agree with Ploe with all his suggestions:)

Sorry Ploe, i got side tracked and forgot to post my Woodelf nifs. im working on it now:) i will also ge t screenies of the highelf buildings up:)

Ok, I have just finished the tent set:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/87027/ork1.JPG

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/87027/ork2.JPG

What do you think?

Can the paving be altered into packed dirt also?

Nice. I like the coocking fires. IMO the purple totems are overrepresented.
It is all a bit purple looking, I'm not so keen on that, but maybe others are. :p

Maybe use whalebones etc in the architecture...possibly for their next age?

What is era 3 gonna look like? Pueblo-muerto? :D

whalebones are a good idea. I'll replace some totems with whalebones.

But what do you mean with purple? :confused:

Just the patterns painted on the tent skins. They are purple.

Is the positioning of buildings fixed, or can you scatter them around more chaotically?
Maybe have a some circles of tents with big bonfires in the center clearing...
:D

Can you do nothing about the pavingstones? It looks weird.

Animations?
snotlings and boars running through the 'streets'. :)

Just the patterns painted on the tent skins. They are purple.

Yes, maybe I'll paint some of them black. I think red, black and brown are the only colors for orks (and their friends)

Is the positioning of buildings fixed, or can you scatter them around more chaotically?
Maybe have a some circles of tents with big bonfires in the center clearing...
:D

The mechanism is a bit boring: several copies of the same building are placed next to each other.

Can you do nothing about the pavingstones? It looks weird.

tents with totems, hellbards, open fire pits and blood covered obelisks:mad: on a well-made pavement:lol:! That's really very weird. There will be changes made;)

Animations?
snotlings and boars running through the 'streets'. :)

Well, I think the sickness-smog and te unhappiness-fire would be cool for every orc city.

Fantastic start just the totems are overepresentative yes, good job:)

Looking good Cham! i agree, the totems are a bit over powering. but i like it:)

You might want to leave totems and other obvious (stone) structures for civics buildings.
Did I hear someone say mud-brick huts with thatched roofs for AgeII?

So, I've thrown the totems out and reduced the tribals:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/87027/ork-city.JPG

I think we could use this style for the normal barbs, too

Perfect let's put it in. I agrre we can use it for normal barbs now but we should diverse it later with another skin maybe. I want Orcs and Gobbos appear different than ordinary barbs. Barbcities could mix with normal ancient builds and tents. Even Mongols built some houses of stone.;) That reminds me that Ungols will be made a full playable civ later in the mod as well. While we now use thm as barbs and merctroops a Mongolian cityart would well fit for them later and now could be used for barbs already.;)

...and done!

The city set is at the database: http://forums.civfanatics.com/./downloads.php?do=file&id=2978
I'll release the xml and the pavement later.

Great thx.:)
Btw. I just saw Kael included many nice gfx for buildings, features etc. in FFH 0.16. Some meshes are obviously taken from sid meyers pirates and they really fit well to WH too imo-i.e. the barrow. Would you like to pillage FFH yourself and include the buildings, features step by step or should I upload a collection of new structures with the next upload to choose from? The latter will have the advantage that we can simply update the xml but it will litter the artfolder with lots of unused stuff and of course increase the filesize considerably.

I would prefer the latter method. Maybe you could put it in a separate upload.

Ok will do but will need some time for it since I'll be moving this week.

I have write a tutorial about "the classic" way of implementing city art.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=189687

I saw some nice examples of WH city art in a pdf of the Generals Compendium, campaigns rulebook.
I'll clip some and post them below. Also has nice examples of watchtowers with army specific flavour and other cool stuff. (Such as a skaven skryre tunneller-engine!)

Here is a preview for kislev:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/87027/kislev.JPG

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/87027/kislev1.JPG

Nice already:) Maybe a little less red and more white buildings or more color mix generally (add white, türkis, light-blue).

But the core buildings should stay dark brown wooden buildings and only few colorful dots. Those blue buildings are nice though they could equal the browns in later eras.

That small castle would do great in other human nations, with small changes made to it.
Empire: red roofs, maybe that white with woodenbeams look for some 2nd floor sections. lots of chimneys.
Vampirecounts: greyslate roofs, bleuer stone walls, spikes on the roofs.
Bretonnia is more elegant than the empire, gothic in a bright sunny way compared to the vampires.
The borderPrinces....not really a nation, but I'd say romanesque in style. (eg round arches, white/cream walls, terracotta tiled roofs.
Probably not for the stone age. ;)

Norse: longhouses and some grass-roofed, later redpainted wooden houses with brown/black roofs.

Borderprinces won't be a civ.

Btw I'm beginning to get really unhappy about the ancient era. We should rethink exactly what timescale this mod should represent(I suggest the techthread for this). Refering to art only I'm quite certain that age of magic should be the lateartdefine already and ancient the early though but I'm not sure anymore that we really should go back to stoneage though but lets discuss this later first I got to finish the buildingartfolder.

@Chamaedrys
I'll upload the buildingsart in the warlordsrecyclethread.

Kislev city art is out:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/./downloads.php?do=file&id=3337

kislev1.nif for the earlier ages and kislev2.nif for the late game;)

Looks great now!:)

Looking good Chamaedrys!

Sorry i havent been on much, ive been having internet troubles, but i think im getting them sorted :)

Norsca is ready: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3622

and Hords of Chaos, too: http://forums.civfanatics.com/./downloads.php?do=file&id=3629

;)

I like the chaoscity nicely compact. and looking bloody gothic. :)

Oh yeah:cool:

very nice Cham. love the Chaosy one. you put me to shame because i havent done anything in SOOO long.

oh well, im finally free from the bonds of high school, no more studying for me!! :D i still hev yet to graduate though. so i will most likely be able to get back into modding pretty soon, but it may take a while :D

Thanks.:)

I'm very happy with the Chaos, too.

They were much more co-opperative than the Tombkings...:mad:

Anyway, the dwarfs are next. I think mines and massive stonebuildings are OK for them.

and lots of statues of elders.

would you like me to post my Dwarf Stronhold gate thingo? we could use that as the palace.
(good luck with the dwarves, ive tryed and theyre impossible to get buildings that dont look tacky 9but thats probably just me :p)

would you like me to post my Dwarf Stronhold gate thingo? we could use that as the palace.
(good luck with the dwarves, ive tryed and theyre impossible to get buildings that dont look tacky 9but thats probably just me :p)

Yeah, post it! I need some inspiration.

ok, well, here are all of my modles (i haven done the textures yet, sorry)

Link (http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/71834/Dwarfs.rar)

theyre all Max files, so i hope you can open them.
there are 3 variations of a palace, (i like palace 3 the most)
and a few different 'houses'. feel free to change as you see fit:)

Hey for those of you that are good at this editing NIFs and such.
I found a nice source of inspirational buildings at Pardulon.com, a producer of resin models.
http://pardulon.com/catalog/index.php/

kay. bump.

>I am wondering if the game needs to be 'repacked' before new NIFs are used?

>How do you add a shop sign that hinges in the wind?

For Dwarves I'd probably restrict buildings to fortification-like buildings and some macho-hobbit-holesque village-homes (maybe even Cairn-like) for the farmers and such. Dwarves are a grim and pragmatic people.
The only materials worth building with are steel and stone, wood is flimsy and best used to fire up the kiln.

For Orc-town I would like to see a big campfire the size of a building. One could use a scaled-down 'civilunrest' animation.

The current 'hobbit-hole'...that is just a cairn isn't it? Where are the cozy round windows and inviting chestnutwooden door with brass knocker?
Ah , but then the hole isn't cityart.

OK, well the good news is im back in Max Mode and i have all my old modles again :D,
the bad news is i dont have any of my old textures or adobe photoshop :( which means i need a free image editor as good as photoshop. does anyone know of one? (I tried GIMP but i cant install it) if all else fails i can use photoshop on my parents computer but thats a real pain.

So, my to do list is:
-do textures for Woodelf city art,
-convert to .dds format,
-port to Civ 4 BTS
-do textures for Highelf city art,
-convert to .dds format,
-port to Civ 4 BTS
-do textures for Dwarf city art,
-convert to .dds format,
-port to Civ 4 BTS

Do you have the actual GIMP d/l? It's a pain to find. I was downloading source code the first time I tried. :(

Try here (http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.html?tg=dl-20&qt=GIMP&tag=srch) instead of gimp.org

If you want to use gimp you'll also need the GTK runtimeenvironment that's next to the gimp download. You need to install the runtime first.

Ah, brilliant :D,thanks woodelf, i was also downloading source code :D

i can now get into some REAL texturing :D (after i figure gimp out :p)

has anyone seen this forum before? thers some really nice stuff in here, particularly the elven city art (i dont think im going to get mine done any time soon) HERE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=214401)

and HERE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=229517) is some more nice city art, im thinking Khemri, Ind, Araby, and lhamia

Yeah, hrochland's elven cityset looks cool. :thumbsup:
I'm trying to make an orc set for the Dragonia II mod that would work here if you want it.

There's also a set I made for the Star Wars mod here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5878147&postcount=64) that could be used, maybe? Desert type civ?

that could actually be good for the dwarfs with a reskin.

Yep will use that. Geomodders collection is already in. Sorry woodelf I don't need further desertcivcitystyle but the models look good.

cool :) (i really must DL the warlords version ;) )