March 3, 3008

CIV Gold 4.0 Available for Download

HERE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7742)

CIV Gold is a civilizations mod for Civ4 that combines some of the most popular user-created civilizations, while applying standards for graphics and content across the board. It can be used as a standalone mod to give users more options in their games, or it can be used by mod-makers to add a “plug-and-play” civ component to their projects.

With CIV Gold we are attempting to create the “definitive” civ add-on for users and mod-makers, alike. This pack is meant to be focused, complete, and comprehensive.

NEW CIVS:

Aborigines, Ainu, Albania, Anishnaabek, Aniyonega, Argentina, Armenia, Assyria, Australia, Austria
Baktria, Batavii, Bolivarian, Brazil, Bulgaria, Buryat
Canada, Chile, Congo, Croatia, Cuba, Czech-Slovak
Denmark, Dinnehih
Etruria
Finland
Galatia, Getai, Goths
Harappan, Hitties
Indonesia, Ireland, Iroquois, Israel, Italy
Jomon
Kanem-Bornu, Khoisan, Kushans
Lithuania
Majapahit, Mande, Masaai, Maghreb, Magyar, Malagasy, Maori, Mexico, Minoa, Mutapa
New Zealand, Nigeria, Ni-Mii-Pu, Nubian
Olmec, Oxus
Pakistan, Phoenicia, Picts, Piliwni, Poland, Polynesia
Romania
Sami, Scotland, Scythia, Seleukeia, Siam, Sioux, Somalia, South Africa, Sweden
Tibet, Tillikum, Togo, Toltec, Troy, Tupi
Ukraine, Upaajut, Uyghur
Vedic, Vietnam, Vo'estaneo'o
Wales, West Indies
Yangshao, Yanomami, Yemen

NEW LEADERS (Firaxis Civs):

Babylon: Nebuchadrezzar II
Byzantium: Basil
Carthage: Massasina, Dido
China: Kangxi
Greece: Phillip II, Leonidas
Egypt: Cleopatra
England: Henry VIII
Ethiopia: Selassie
France: Joan of Arc, Richelieu
HRE: Charles V
Japan: Hirohito
Khmer: Suryavarman
Netherlands: Wilhelmina
Portugal: Afonso I
Rome: Marcus Aurelius
Russia: Lenin, Ivan IV
Spain: Franco
Vikings: Canute
Zulu: Cetshwayo

Version 4.0 Frequently Asked Questions

Q: So what's included in CIV Gold 4.0?

There are 90 new civs and an additional 24 new leaderheads (apart from those created for the new civs). The theme of the release was "Time and Place". There is representation, therefore, from all parts of the globe and all periods of human civilization. This accounts for the inclusion of some rather interesting empires.

Q: Why did it take so damn long?!

A: Project members come and go, real life intervenes. Since starting CIV Gold, I've had one son get older, added a second son to the mix, changed professional projects a few times, moved across the country twice, took on other community volunteer work, etc. And that's just me. All contirbutors face similar challenges - school, work, family. But when the project looked as though it would die, it didn't. And here we are.

Q: Why does this pack replace 3.0? Why not release it as an add-on. The download is huge!

A: Two reasons: 1) we did not want to maintain two releases due to the time involved, and 2) most importantly - many fixes, edits and additions were made to existing 3.0 civs. It's worth downloading it again.

Q: What changes have been made to existing 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 civs?

A: Too many to list, but thanks to the community, we now have more options to play with - more leaderheads, more units, more buildings. Among those civs receiving a facelift are Argentina, Sioux, Armenia, Iroquois, Aniyonega (UU), Canada, Sioux, Babylon (LH), Ireland, Iroquois (UB), among many others. Also addressed are typos, text consistencies and scaling.

Q: The mod appears to hang the game when I start it. I run BtS and it does nothing.

A: It only appears to hang the game. The load time is considerable, given the amount of XML it it loading (20+ XML files for each new civs, another 5+ for each added custom leader). Be very patient - on most systems it will take 5 minutes or longer to load.

Q: So the load time is 5 minutes or more??

A: We've done our best to make the downloaded file manageable, going from 1.1 GB (yes, GB) to under 300 MB. But the content demands the size, pure and simple. As for load times, it's the same thing - lots of content, lots of loading. Try starting the game, taking a bathroom break and making a snack.

Q1: Why are there some problems with LH animations?

A: In an effort to diversify LH appearances, animations were mixed, additional accessories were added, etc. This sometimes creates unforseen issues. In the end, the decision was made to keep "mostly cool, but slightly problematic" animations. Known issues inlude: missing head parts for Tecumseh, jewelry clipping for Po Ngbe, headpiece flickering for Shakushain, transparency issues with Cetshwayo and David, shading issues with Salamasina.

Q2: Speaking of leaderheads, the quality...ummm..."varies".

A: Yes, it does. Some LHs were done back in 2005 (believe it or not!) when authors were just learning to play with the files. Others were done hastily to fill a need. The team is exceptionally proud of many LHs, thanks to the community.

Q: Hmmm, I don't think [leader name] looks very much like him/her.

A: We've tried our very best to create LHs that bear some resemblance to the real thing. In some cases, we tried with multiple models and had to choose the "least worst" among them. Anything short of creating new models meant than compromises had to be made. We recall past objections and we know there will be new ones. Advice on alternatives is always welcome.

Q: Are there plans for 5.0 or any additional content?

A: Yes, plans are underway for an add-on pack that will feature some of the more controversial figures in history - Hitler, Pol Pot, Pinochet, and Mussolini, among them. Two new civs will join this "terrible" mix, as well. It will be optional for those who do not like to include such things. This may be expanded to a 5.0 version if content warrants.

Q: I like new civs and all, but isn't this now incredibly unbalanced away from Firaxis civs?

A: Gold civs now outnumber Firaxis civs significantly. If you want a bit of extra content but do not want to be overwhelmed by it, I have two suggestions: 1) edit the appropriate CivInfos XML to make the selected civ "unplayable" by you or the AI (don't want the Tupi? Change the XML to unplayable), 2) when setting up a custom game, leave 2-3 slots open for Gold civs and populate the others as you see fit - Romans, Greeks, Spanish, whatever.

Q: I've noticed a bug in the mod. What's the best way to report it?

A: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=255076


February 26

Back home in Edmonton and everyone is safe and sound. My father had triple-bypass surgery last Friday, and honestly? He looks as good as he has in the past 5-10 years. The trip was not made under the best of circumstances, but it turned out to be a good thing - he feels and looks better, the kids got to see my parents, and we all spent some time together (plus, I got a much-needed week away from the office).

Fierabras and I (with some amazing work from Amra) did manage to get a couple of things done while I was on the road, so we are poised to get 4.0 out this week. Tonight we should be able to assemble the final pieces and spend tomorrow doing some testing.

Some comments have been made regarding balance, and I'm not sure how much we'll be able to look at before release. But any comments sent our way will be considered.

Cheers,
D.

February 19

Well, I was able to get an enormous amount of work done last night and today, and we're very close to done. Fierabras has had a crazy weekend, as well, so while we're close, we're not ready to release right now.

It does look, however, like we can still release before week's end. Obviously if things do not go well for my family, this will not be the case.

Cheers,
D

February 18

Hi guys,

My father suffered a mild heart attack a couple of days ago and he has to have triple bypass surgery on Thursday or Friday. I'm heading out east tomorrow with my wife and kids to be there and won't be returning until Monday.

He's an older man - 86 - but is in great shape (and in great spirits right now) and the doc fully expects him to pull through with flying colours.

This has made the past few days a bit hectic. We were planning to release on Wednesday the 20th (we have the complete build done but are just squashing bugs like bad tags, typos, missing buttons, etc.), but because I'll be gone, the release will be next week (unless I can manage to get everything done tonight and tomorrow afternoon - unlike, though, as I have to pack for me and the kids).

We do, however, have our final build done with all the civs and leaders we're going to have - and it looks damn good, I must say.

If I can get things done tonight, Fierabras will create an installer and will upload it. I will have my laptop so I can make the link and announcement from anywhere.

So everything is done. We are just tweaking and catching things we missed.

I'll post an update tomorrow.
Cheers,
D

Status - CIV Gold 4.0 - Feb 5, 2008

Hi everyone,

Thanks for your continued patience as we strive towards the release of CIV Gold 4.0. As you have no doubt noticed, 4.0 hasn't been released yet. :) The delay is a good thing, though. Sometimes delays are due to team members going AWOL or materials going missing, etc. None of that is the case here. Rather, we're taking the opporunity to ensure that everything is as good as can be before going out.

One of the reasons for our delay is a revamping of many of our LHs - some previously released, others due for release in this pack. I can safely say that 4.0 will be much sharper and have far more artistic variety than was provided in 3.0. We've subsituted many unique units and unique buildings, as well, in an effort to elevate the graphic quality of the mod. Also in the cards are fixing some buttons and colours. We kidnapped the good graces of some community members and have been working double-time over the past week.

So when's it due?

Well, we're trying to coordinate with a few busy people, but it'll definitely be out in February. The sooner the better, of course, but when it is done we want it done well.

Check out the screenies below for a small peak. I'll post a few more in the days ahead.

cheers,
Wyz_sub10


[BtS] CIV Gold 3.0 FINAL now available for download

After much tweaking, pulling and fussing, the official release of 3.0 for Beyond the Sword is now ready and available for download. For those among you who have downloaded the beta, thank you for your interest and feedback. It is strongly recommended that you download the Final, as it has several tweaks and many additions.

Please feel free to leave any comments you may have on the download page or, preferrable, within this forum.

Thank you for your continued interest and support. :)

[BtS] CIV Gold 3.0 FINAL (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7742)

Current Status - December 18, 2007

The final version of 3.0 for BtS will be uploaded tonight, available for download in the afternoon (made one quick replacement this morning, needs to be recompiled) I will try to post a list of changes and fixes later on, but suffice to say that there are several additions and improvements beyond the Beta release.

Among them:
- added Selassie, Jayavarman VII, Basil, Makeda, Hirohito, Philip II and Cetshwayo as add. leaders
- fixed several diplomacy errors and added diplomacy text
- several corrections to typos and puncutation
- moved Sitting Bull to Sioux Empire
- balanced some units
- replaced some art pieces with better versions
- added/replaced from buttons

NEXT UP: Version 4.0 with many new civs

Past updates and comments:

Status - Dec 3

CIV Gold 3.0 beta for Beyond the Sword now available

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7742

This is a fully functional version marked as beta only because there are a number of small tweaks and additions to be made. The final version will be posted soon and will need to be re-downloaded. Many of you may be content with the beta as the final will more consistent of some additional LHs and some art swaps.

Status - Nov 4

So what's taking us so damn long?

Well, two things - real life is very, very heavy for some of our team right now; and some of the changes for modular loading have had a curve associated.

The plan is to complete the existing 3.0 version to BtS over the next few weeks, then focus on 4.0. I have given (and broken) so many target dates for 4.0 that I don't want to do it again.

I apologize to those in the community patiently waiting for this.



March 29, 2007

- near-complete: CIV4CivilizationsInfos.xml
- near-complete: CIV4LeaderheadInfos.xml
- working on new unit graphics for new civs
- working on new building graphics for new civs
- working on symbols/flags for civs
- gathering First Contact quotes Help Wanted
- gathering pedia text Help Wanted

Recent Status

- Working on CIV Gold 4.0 in progesss
- adding full Unique Names to all Unique Units in progesss
- adding new diplomacy music for all civs in progesss
- compartmentalizing text files for easier editing complete
- correcting bugs (see "Bugs" thread) in progesss
- replace Polish leaderheads complete
- fix Albanian UB complete

Past Updates

CIV Gold 3.0 for Warlords is now complete. Please download the file from the Civfanatics database:

CIV Gold 3.0 (Warlords) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3271)

This file is archived using 7-zip. You can get the utility here: www.7-zip.org, or use WinRAR to open.

Changes from Vanillia to Warlords edition

- removed 6 civs and replaced them with Firaxis-developed civs
- preserved Sejong (KOR), Cetshwayo (ZUL), Boadicea (CEL), Canute (VIK) and Ataturk (OTT) as 2nd leaders
- renamed Gold Ragnar leaderhead as Canute (removed Canute LH)
- re-skinned Sioux Tashunkewitko leaderhead
- fix bug with adjective 'Togolese'
- added missing First Contact text for Nampoina

Known Issues with 3.0 for Warlords

- Brazil's Estadio de Futbol has red circle around base
- some buildings (Wat, Seven Fires, Kushite Pyramid) are not centred in the Civilopedia view
- tag error with Swedish diplomacy xml
- Albanian 'Llogor' misnamed 'Illogor'; should replace factory instead of barracks

To Do List

Confirmed for 4.0 (or sooner):

- add Hun Empire
- add Armenian Empire
- add Bolivian Empire
- add 2nd LHs for some existing civs
- explore new additions
- add additional Diplomacy music
- various bugs and fixes (see 'Bugs' thread)
- add proper names for Unique Units
- Moorish Cavalry edit (MAG)
- Granadero a Caballo edit (ARG)

Considered (for future versions):

- revisit Kekkonen leaderhead
- revisit Nebudchandnezzar leaderhead
- consider 2nd Siamese leader
- consider Siamese city name edits

Components (optional add-ons):

- Great People, civ-specific names

Sorry all, but the date's been pushed back a couple of days.

3 reasons - still waiting on some art from our busy team members; still sorting out a couple of XML issues; stupidly forgot about UB icons, so I'll need to do those.

Just a couple of days...still moving full steam...

Thats ok. As long as you build it we will wait. :goodjob:

If You build It.......We will come!

It may be the end of the weekend, but we'll see.

In the meantime, here is a collection of Unique Building icons I just finished making (made all 30+ tonight, but here's a sample). See if you can guess the building and the civ (I think the names might even be partially visible).

Wow they look really good, Wyz. Is the first one the Brazilian stadium?

Wow they look really good, Wyz. Is the first one the Brazilian stadium?

Yup. The first one is Maracana Stadium in Rio. The Brazilian UB is the Estadio de Futbol.

The castle on the center bottom, what is that and what civilization is it for? It looks like maybe something from Wales or England, but I'm definitely no expert.

Uh-oh. Looks like the release date has been pushed back again :sad: When's the new date?

It will come when it comes what I am wondering is will it be affected by the warlords patch that is supposed to be coming out soon?

Uh-oh. Looks like the release date has been pushed back again When's the new date?

Monday. For real this time. :) We had 4 different people needed to meet deadlines this weekend. The good news is that they all did. The bad news is that, like an idiot, I forgot a critical file at work. D'oh!

I'll send it to myself tomorrow and upload the whole thing.

It will come when it comes what I am wondering is will it be affected by the warlords patch that is supposed to be coming out soon?

Probably. :) Hard to say until we know what the patch does. But the good news it, I have a few things I want to add to gold but don't want to delay this release to do it. I can just add them to update with the patch in a few weeks.

Woohoo!! Today's the day!! :dance: [party]:bowdown:

Sorry, I'm a little excited.

BRING IT WYZ!!!!! I wanna play.. I wanna PLAY!!!!!

Woot! It's finally here! I can't wait to play it all on Warlords.
:) :king: :queen: :) :clap: :worship: :hatsoff: :bowdown: :woohoo: [party] :band: :banana:

P.S. Is it going to include Rabbit, White's Ethnically Diverse Units?

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Sorry everyone...it's 11:28 in Edmonton and I've been squashing bugs for hours.

It's done, it's assembled, it runs with no XML errors. But I'm still killing some graphics bugs, some sizing bugs and a couple of leaderhead issues.

I'm going to keep at it as much as I can tonight, probably finish it off tomorrow.

Promises, promises... :(

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MAN WYZ!!!!!
I feel like I just flew the Space Shuttle Challenger.
CRASH!!!! BOOM!!!! BANG!!!! KABLOOEY!!!!

OH MY GOSH!!!

A new mod idea!!!!!

A Percent Chance that when you launch your space shuttle in space that it blows UP!!!!
I gotta get that in to the Mod team!!!!!

See the OP - all the XML startup bugs were addressed yesterday; just finished addressing the buildings bugs tonight. It's 2:30 am and I have to get up at 6:50 so I'm off to bed.

Just need to resolve a couple more things and we're good to go.

Icons in post #5:

The one in lower corner on left is Finnish UB?

Icons in post #5:

The one in lower corner on left is Finnish UB?

Yup. :D

That's the sauna. Sevo designed the building, and it looks cool in game.

Could today be the day? Finally??
Please?

P.S. Do you ever actually sleep, Wyz?

Please see the OP.

Once the download is available, I would ask that anyone discovering any bugs or glaring imbalances to please report them in the 'Bugs' forum.

Found the link:

<link removed>

Edit: Didn't realise it was at CivFanatics - http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3271

Thanks 9 minutes wait till I download!

Found the link:

[/URL][url]http://www.3ddownloads.com/Strategy/Civilization%204/Mods/Civs_Gold/CIV%20Gold_Warlordsv3.7z# (http://www.3ddownloads.com/Strategy/Civilization%204/Mods/Civs_Gold/CIV%20Gold_Warlordsv3.7z#)

Please use the Civfanatics link:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3271

I'm downloading now. :)

I am downloading it now as well, very nice work!:goodjob:

WOO HOOOOO! and as they say In Calgary..... YEEEE HAW!

Ooooh! I can't wait to play this!! Nice job! :goodjob:

i'm afraid i still don't have warlords yet. btw is Scotland still in or removed because Celts in? if in, what's the UB?

is Scotland still in or removed because Celts in? if in, what's the UB?

Scotland, Ireland and the Celts were all in vanilla 3.0, so they all remain in the Warlords edition.

Firaxis' Celts have the Dun (wall) as their UB. Scotland uses the Mercat Cross (market) and the Irish use the Publishing House (library).

Could today be the day? Finally??
Please?

P.S. Do you ever actually sleep, Wyz?

For the record, I was up two nights until almost 3:00 am (and still have to get up with the wife, kids and cat at 6:50 am), and I took some unpaid time off work on Wednesday to finish it. :p

I noticed you have been giving your Tashunkewitco reskin a lot of grief. Its not that bad.:)

I noticed a small bug. When I first met the Swedes in-game, the Diplomacy text was just a text tag, as in TXT_SWEDEN_FIRST_CONTACT_TEXT or something similar.

I noticed a small bug. When I first met the Swedes in-game, the Diplomacy text was just a text tag, as in TXT_SWEDEN_FIRST_CONTACT_TEXT or something similar.

Thanks. Can you put this in the 'Bugs' thread?

I think I already know - probably used _KARL_XII as the tag instead of _KARLXII.

I've noticed 2 mistakes with the Albanians:

1) Their UB should be called Llogor (with 2 L's), not "Illogor."

2) Their UB should replace the factory (NOT the barracks) and give +2 experience to gunpowder units, or maybe even +3 since only gunpowder units would get that advantage considerably late in the game.

Aside from that, the building representing the llogor doesn't look bad.

I've noticed 2 mistakes with the Albanians:

1) Their UB should be called Llogor (with 2 L's), not "Illogor."

Ugh. You know, I had Llogor originally, then thought I had made a mistake and changed them all the wrong way.

2) Their UB should replace the factory (NOT the barracks) and give +2 experience to gunpowder units, or maybe even +3 since only gunpowder units would get that advantage considerably late in the game.

Aside from that, the building representing the llogor doesn't look bad.

If it replaces the factory, then +3 is probably appropriate. Did you notice the DDS icon? That's an actual church in Albanian Azerbaijan that played some role in the war with the Turks.

What does Albania have to do with Azerbaijan?

What does Albania have to do with Azerbaijan?

I was reading that North Azerbailjan in the 5th century was heavily populated with ethnic Albanians, with the region being known as Caucasian Albania. It was an interesting story and I was taken with the pic, because it kinda sounded like what you described.

But if you have a more appropriate pic, let me know.

Albania and Caucasian "Albania" (Aghbania) are two completely different things that have no relation to each other, with the exception of a name, the latter of which is (I believe) latinized. Ethnically, racially and linguistically, they are 2 separate peoples.

Montenegrins, Serbs, and others against the Albanians tend to perpetrate the argument that Albanians and Aghbanians are related to discredit the Illyro-Albanian continuity and try to eliminate the Albanian claim to Albanian-inhabited lands in the Balkans, especially Kosova.

The Albanians speak an Indo-European language, the descendant of the ancient Illyrian language, while the Aghbanians speak a Caucasian language. The only similarity is the name: but keep in mind during the middle ages Scotland was also called Albania ...

I'll see if I can find a more appropriate picture.

Yes, Shqype is correct. In Armenian culture, we do not refer to Caucasian Albania as Albania, we refer to them as Aghbania.

I´ve uploaded the Warlords Version to Rapidshare, because Filefront takes too long to download...

http://rapidshare.com/files/1015307/CIV_Gold3.part1.rar (100 MB)
http://rapidshare.com/files/1019487/CIV_Gold3.part2.rar ( 69 MB)

you need both files.

I´ve uploaded the Warlords Version to Rapidshare, because Filefront takes too long to download...

http://rapidshare.com/files/1015307/CIV_Gold3.part1.rar (100 MB)
http://rapidshare.com/files/1019487/CIV_Gold3.part2.rar ( 69 MB)

you need both files.

I appreciate this, but the problem is that it messes with our download count in the files database. Not that this is critical, of course, but it's helpful in helping us to measure it's popularity within the community. And this, in turn, is important because projects like this take so darn long. :D

I'm not a great fan of Rapidshare anyway...

It doesn't take long anyway I downloadied it in like 6 minutes.

I noticed a couple bugs for civgold

Karl XII First contact screen says act txt first contact
Mayan Sun Temple the Sid Tips is says Txt act sun temple error
Purple Square underneath Brazilian UB

Not exactly what it says but it is the commen TXT error in most mods

Most of these text errors will be cleaned as we remap the file format.
But to make sure they are caught please mention under the bug reports instead please.

First time I have seen this mod - didn't notice this in the first post. Do you use the 24 civ or 32 civ dll to allow us to play more civs in a single game?

Does this mod work with one or both of those two modified dll's?

I have taken a long break from modifying my map and playing the game due to delays (and now lingering problems) with the warlords patch... this mod might actually get me interested again.

I noticed a couple bugs for civgold

Karl XII First contact screen says act txt first contact
Mayan Sun Temple the Sid Tips is says Txt act sun temple error
Purple Square underneath Brazilian UB

Not exactly what it says but it is the commen TXT error in most mods

The tips for the UBs will all be TXT messages, as I didn't do the strategy pieces for them. Wil do that for the next version, though.

As for the Brazilian UB, I think I've figured out the problem for that, but I'm not sure I can correct it. I have a workaround for the next version, though.

First time I have seen this mod - didn't notice this in the first post. Do you use the 24 civ or 32 civ dll to allow us to play more civs in a single game?

There are no dll changes in the mod.

Does this mod work with one or both of those two modified dll's?

It should. I believe others have created maps for this mod, but you'd have to poke around to see. There's no reason it *shouldn't* work with modified dlls.

I have taken a long break from modifying my map and playing the game due to delays (and now lingering problems) with the warlords patch... this mod might actually get me interested again.

:D Good to hear.

Thanks - just downloaded the warlords version

Would you care to mention what program uses the 7z extention? Didn't see it in first post and have never downloaded a file with that extention before...

edit - just found out that winrar should open it - it MAY be worth a mention in first post for people that only have winzip handy

7z Is 7-ZIP. Again a free version is available to those who are looking for it from Download.com.

7z is a very strong Zip program that compresses a lot heavier then Winzip used to. Not sure if this is the case anymore since Winzip is now on Version 10.0 It may be as strong as 7-Zip is now. Anyways Not interested in a debate about which is better. just to mention 7z is compressed by 7-zip.

7z Is 7-ZIP. Again a free version is available to those who are looking for it from Download.com.

7z is a very strong Zip program that compresses a lot heavier then Winzip used to. Not sure if this is the case anymore since Winzip is now on Version 10.0 It may be as strong as 7-Zip is now. Anyways Not interested in a debate about which is better. just to mention 7z is compressed by 7-zip.

no debate is offered - I have downloaded thousands and thousands of files - none of them used 7z format... would have saved ten minutes of my life if it was mentioned in first post... winrar appeared to work

Not sure what the "Again" part was all about...

it wasn't mentioned on the first post on this thread or the page the link of the file is on...

no debate is offered - I have downloaded thousands and thousands of files - none of them used 7z format... would have saved ten minutes of my life if it was mentioned in first post... winrar appeared to work

Not sure what the "Again" part was all about...

it wasn't mentioned on the first post on this thread or the page the link of the file is on...

It's mentioned on the first post of the CIV Gold thread in "New Civilizations", but I didn't replicate the instructions here when we got our own forum.

I'll add it to the the op and the download link, thanks.

FTR - I actually like using 7-zip quite a bit for these projects because it does an excellent job with compresion - probably shaves about 20mb off the size.

Not sure what the "Again" part was all about...


yikes I can see how that could be offensive if read in certain ways.. no offence meant... sorry about that. I meant again because it was mentioned b4 but not in this thread.

Again my apologies

Quick question, is the CN Tower included in this version, I couldn't find it my game, is this an error or are no new wonders included?

No new wonders in this mod. All it does is add new civs to the original game. ;) Very well I might add :D

Quick question, is the CN Tower included in this version, I couldn't find it my game, is this an error or are no new wonders included?

I added a couple of Canadian wonders to the Canada Mod - CN Tower, Oil Sands, Hockey Night in Canada - but I didn't add them here. This is basically just for civs, as mentioned, but in time we will consider doing "add-ons".

In the meantime, there is a good wonders mod out there that adds CN Tower plus others, and Sevomod adds some as well, plus most of the Gold civs.

It's not too tough to add, though. In the Canada Mod, find the appropriate art folder, then cut-n-paste the XML code from BuildingInfos, CityPlot, and the text file into the matching Gold files.

Ah, ok thanks.

Out of curiosity did the wonders you made for the Canada mod include wonder movies? If so, what program did you use to create them? Or what program do you think would work?

have downloaded you mod and have been enjoying it very much, so far i havnt run across any errors in the game. i do have a question though, ever game i start uses the same exact map, and if i regen the map then i get the same one in the same order each time. why is that?

have downloaded you mod and have been enjoying it very much, so far i havnt run across any errors in the game. i do have a question though, ever game i start uses the same exact map, and if i regen the map then i get the same one in the same order each time. why is that?

That's really odd. I've never seen or heard of that problem before. I can't imagine it has anything to do with with mod because there isn't anything in there that addresses the map layout.

Ah, ok thanks.

Out of curiosity did the wonders you made for the Canada mod include wonder movies? If so, what program did you use to create them? Or what program do you think would work?

D'oh!

Sorry I didn't get to this sooner. I made the movies using a program called "Blink and Smacker" to convert jpgs into bik files. You can set the display length of the file. So you don't get an animated movie this way, but you can at least get some display images. (The HNIC image took me forever to get right :))

That's really odd. I've never seen or heard of that problem before. I can't imagine it has anything to do with with mod because there isn't anything in there that addresses the map layout.

hmmm must of been something i accidently check then, cause even when i allow for a random civ it starts me in the same place on the same map everytime oh well ill just keep regenerating the maps as i start new games.

yup it was me i had disabled the randmom seed on map generation so no worries :)

I ran into a bug with the Warlords Version yesterday - I was playing the Sioux and researched Horseback Riding, and the game did list the Brule Warrior as buildable unit although I had no Guilds yet. I tried to select the unit in the build pop up menu, but then the game crashed...

Imhotep

sorry about this Wyz, but i've been sending you a lot of PMs, so I'm gonna tell you this on the thread:

The Mamikonian LH I made, Drtad was having problems with it, the hat was brown, I fixed it, but I don't know if you have the fixed LH for CIV Gold 4.0

I PMed Wyz a couple of days ago and he knows about it.

How many civs can play at the same time?

I have found a mod that allows 50 civs to play simultaneously, and that was a very interesting experience, but the lack of civs creat a real mess on diplomacy, since there are many repeated civs and leaders.


Thx ppl, and sory for the bad english

esnaz and Drtad,

Thanks for the reminder. I believe I downloaded the latest ARM version with the revised LH. I'll doublt-check to be sure though.

How many civs can play at the same time?

I have found a mod that allows 50 civs to play simultaneously, and that was a very interesting experience, but the lack of civs creat a real mess on diplomacy, since there are many repeated civs and leaders.

The amount of civs playing at the same time depends on the DLL mod (like the one you describe). CIV Gold adds 43 civs to Warlords and 49 to the regular version, meaning you can have 50 unique civs with no repeated civs or leaders.

Thx ppl, and sory for the bad english

Your English is excellent.

Any news on the next version Wyz?

Any news on the next version Wyz?

Sorry for the lack of news. It seems the team - me included - decided to take the holiday season off. :)

But breaktime iz ova! We had agreed to an early January release but with the extended and well-deserved break, I think we'll be targetting the end of the month.

I'll post an update as soon as I can confirm.

Great news!

I've Asked Perplexus to send me his prepared XML's, he says he has already done much of the nessary modularization and I should be able to rapidly polish off the remaining work once I have his files. If things go well and especialy if I get some assistance it should be possible to get all the existing Civs into Moduals by the end of January for this next release your planning. Are their plans for including new Civs or perhaps some of the new leader heads that have poped up latly?

;4944216']I've Asked Perplexus to send me his prepared XML's, he says he has already done much of the nessary modularization and I should be able to rapidly polish off the remaining work once I have his files. If things go well and especialy if I get some assistance it should be possible to get all the existing Civs into Moduals by the end of January for this next release your planning. Are their plans for including new Civs or perhaps some of the new leader heads that have poped up latly?

Great!

Lots of both - we have probably a dozen or so new civs to add, plus the addition of a few new LHs for exsiting civs.

I've asked purplexus for the files as well, but better to get them after you. That way I can start adding the new civs.

You dont need Perplexus's files to get started on new content If you use the new modual format then you can do them all independently, thats the whole point after all. It would be best to work on the new Civs as moduals right from the get go. New leader heads can be moduals as well. While you focus on new contents I'll convert the old contents, then just combine everything a a big zip for download along with the special DLL and the nessary supporting files that I dont have modularized.

:hammer2: Am I that dumb? I don't understand anything that you guys are talking about?

Keep up the good work. :hatsoff:

:hammer2: Am I that dumb? I don't understand anything that you guys are talking about?

Keep up the good work. :hatsoff:

No..your not that dumb ..they are refering to Impalers Plug and Play set up for Civ 4 Modding ..its a great thing <see it in his signature file..>

Man I must Apologize for my delay in handing off those files. With My company now ramping up I've been working on the job 84 hrs a week and off the job doing the behind the scene running of a company stuff. Time to hire lots more staff
As for Now I must abort all my activities on this project. I have e-mailed both Impaler and Wyz the Xml files... Good luck to you all. Hopefully I can get back to it once I get some staff.

Thanks Plex, I can take it from here, hope your buisness dose well (what ever it is you do :confused: ).

Man I must Apologize for my delay in handing off those files. With My company now ramping up I've been working on the job 84 hrs a week and off the job doing the behind the scene running of a company stuff. Time to hire lots more staff
As for Now I must abort all my activities on this project. I have e-mailed both Impaler and Wyz the Xml files... Good luck to you all. Hopefully I can get back to it once I get some staff.

Real life's a *****. ;)

Thanks for all your amazing work. We'll keep you in the loop as to how things are moving forward.

I am a low voltage Expert.. my company does home theater and Home Automation as well as tv phone satellite and computer networking.

Say for instance you step on your stairs the lights come on the stair location when step off the stairs the lights automatically shut down in 15 seconds

OR... you want to watch a movie in your theater room... simply press the watch movies button on your touch screen remote and the blinds close the lights dim the projector turns on the screen drops from the ceiling where it then shows a selection of movies which are either stored in your 400 Dvd changer or movies that are located on your media server. CONTROL 4 Systems

Is the release date still set? By the way, are all of those ancient civs like the Vedic empire and Xia or whatever you had planned for China going in the next version? If so, impressive.:goodjob:

Is the release date still set?

Work is trickling in. The good news is that everyone is still working on it. I can give a date, but end of Feb is looking more realistic. Sorry for the delays. :(

By the way, are all of those ancient civs like the Vedic empire and Xia or whatever you had planned for China going in the next version? If so, impressive.:goodjob:

Yup.

end of feb is kool thats not to soon was hoping beginning of feb but ehh making it entirely plug and play has been a challenge i bet ;o)

i know that the plug and play is very tedious work. there are just so many files for each civ and there are so many civ's and each files requires so many xml lines of code and the images and the animations and .... etc etc etc. my head is about to blow up like it did almost while i working on it.

SERIOUSLY!!!... if you got some extra time to help please volunteer.
the Plug and play system is a new revolution that is really starting catch huge interest. Be a part of it.!

Hey purplexus,

No doubt. You've done a tonne of work here.

Can you email me what you have finalized and I'll start building the complete mod (I have a bunch of files from a few others to add too, then we can ship them all to Impaler's repository)

Hey purplexus,

No doubt. You've done a tonne of work here.

Can you email me what you have finalized and I'll start building the complete mod (I have a bunch of files from a few others to add too, then we can ship them all to Impaler's repository)

I tried to e-mail them to you and you couldn't handle the size. so I e-mailed them to impaler instead. He has all the work I did on it.

I tried to e-mail them to you and you couldn't handle the size. so I e-mailed them to impaler instead. He has all the work I did on it.

Hmmm...I should be able to handle 10MB on my hotmail account, but I'm guessing it was larger.

Okay, thanks. I'll get the work from him.

If you haven't got leaderhead music for Kekkonen yet, I've been using the "hymn" part of Finlandia for him and it's very cool. Just got to turn the volume up a bit in the XML since the orchestra plays that bit quite softly. Can provide the file if you like. I've also bee looking for some traditional kantele piece for early music, but haven't found anything satisfactory yet.

If you haven't got leaderhead music for Kekkonen yet, I've been using the "hymn" part of Finlandia for him and it's very cool. Just got to turn the volume up a bit in the XML since the orchestra plays that bit quite softly. Can provide the file if you like. I've also bee looking for some traditional kantele piece for early music, but haven't found anything satisfactory yet.

Funny, I just added "Finlandia" to my iPod on Tuesday (Toronto Symphony Orchestra). If you have a segment in proper format, ready to go, then you can email it to wyz2@canadatrack.com

If you haven't got leaderhead music for Kekkonen yet, I've been using the "hymn" part of Finlandia for him and it's very cool. Just got to turn the volume up a bit in the XML since the orchestra plays that bit quite softly. Can provide the file if you like. I've also bee looking for some traditional kantele piece for early music, but haven't found anything satisfactory yet.

this would be great. earlier i made some diplomusic for civGold 2 & 3, and i couldn't find anything that satisfactory for finland... i'd like to check it out :D

this would be great. earlier i made some diplomusic for civGold 2 & 3, and i couldn't find anything that satisfactory for finland... i'd like to check it out :D

I can send it to you now if you can PM me your email.

Hi!

I tried to install Gold 3 for warlords, but i don't see any text whatsoever. I can navigate out of rememberance, but naturally it's very difficult. If I reach the civi-selection, I see the names of Albania and Canada, but no others. Again I can navigate by pictures and select any civilization, new or old ones, but reaching the game there are still no texts, not even end of round or technologies.
I use the german version of warlords, but other mods do work (for example drtads first people mod).
What is the problem??? :confused:

Thanks for helping,
Atrovent

Hi!

I tried to install Gold 3 for warlords, but i don't see any text whatsoever. I can navigate out of rememberance, but naturally it's very difficult. If I reach the civi-selection, I see the names of Albania and Canada, but no others. Again I can navigate by pictures and select any civilization, new or old ones, but reaching the game there are still no texts, not even end of round or technologies.
I use the german version of warlords, but other mods do work (for example drtads first people mod).
What is the problem??? :confused:

Thanks for helping,
Atrovent

The German version is the problem. :)

After patch 1.61, mods made in English no longer worked with foreign language versions (I think mods made after did).

This should be corrected in CIV Gold 4.0 which will be out in a couple weeks.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

The German version is the problem. :)

After patch 1.61, mods made in English no longer worked with foreign language versions (I think mods made after did).

This should be corrected in CIV Gold 4.0 which will be out in a couple weeks.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Thanks a lot! :goodjob: It'll be hard to wait, but 'll manage ... hopefully ;)

Any Timeline for the new release?

Any Timeline for the new release?

Looking like the end of March now, given the additions. Once complete, Impaler will continue to splice for the CCCP edition.

One typo I noticed is in the Dutch civ city list. Instead of "Enchede" it should be spelled "Enschede".

In the pedia text for the Dutch leaders some characters have been used which are not displayed correctly in game. I suspect this is a general problem for other civs as well. Using XML-encoding like "Fran& #231;ois" (without the space) for "François" fixes the problem.

Check the original post for an update.

@Wyz sub10: hello, I downloaded and played CivGold, Warlords.I just love it, play everyday! It's a fantastic work!Sometimes, civs like the French, I'd like to play as a woman, (like Civ3-Conquests, the French was a woman) so, I was thinking if I can change the civ leader Elizabeth to the French civ,(that's just an example) only in my pc? if not, I won't do it, I promisse!Thanks, rebakan

If I may Respond to that last post... It will become A lot easier for one to change a leaderhead once Civ Gold 4.0 is out. Just wait and see..

Right now I am Spending all my time on it... every spare ounce of extra time

Thanks for your reply.I'll wait.Keep doing this wonderful work, I hardly can wait to see and play it.Thanks a lot,
rebakan

Thanks for your reply.I'll wait.Keep doing this wonderful work, I hardly can wait to see and play it.Thanks a lot,
rebakan

Also, I'll see about getting Joan of Arc in for France. That should meet your needs somewhat.

Also, I'll see about getting Joan of Arc in for France. That should meet your needs somewhat.

Although you probably already know this, bmarnz made a really, really nice Joan of Arc leaderhead (available here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=215335))

Thanks, Corvex, I din't know, I got her to my game. But, Wyz_sub10, I'll wait for your work, although bmarnz made a wonderful work, I'm sure yours will also be fantastic, as your mod, I was playing some minutes ago, as French, I love this game very much.Thanks all you!!!
rebakan

Hi, everybody, I'm not sure if here is the proper local for asking this, but I'll do it anyway.
When it was announced about Brazil's mod, I remember somebody made a lot of leaders to Brazil and posted someplace.I've looked for more than one week and can't find it anymore.Does anybody know where it is?
I do apologize for my bad English, I'm not American, so sometimes I make serious mistakes, sorry for that.Any help, I thank you very much.
rebakan.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=142173
There are 5 leaderheads for this Brazilian Mod

Civ Army created it... it uses static leaderheads though.

Thank you, purplexus, for your reply.Now, I got it.
rebakan

Hi, i'm very impressed about the quantity of things you have improved, i have download Civ Gold 3.0 and going to install it now, but i am wonder if i could make a suggestion, could you add the catalunya mod? you can found it here http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/civilizationiv/mod/4539.html it contains a new civilization and it's awesome, the problem is that it was build for Civ 4, not for warlords. Also I have another question, there is a realease date for version 4.0? It will worth the wait or I better install 3.0 ?

sorry for my english and thank you very much for your efforts:goodjob:

Hi, i'm very impressed about the quantity of things you have improved, i have download Civ Gold 3.0 and going to install it now, but i am wonder if i could make a suggestion, could you add the catalunya mod? you can found it here http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/civilizationiv/mod/4539.html it contains a new civilization and it's awesome, the problem is that it was build for Civ 4, not for warlords. Also I have another question, there is a realease date for version 4.0? It will worth the wait or I better install 3.0 ?

sorry for my english and thank you very much for your efforts:goodjob:

Because of time, we've capped the number of civs...for the time-being. :)

Version 4.0 was due for April 30. We are trying to make that date, but it's difficult because we have a team of people with busy lives. :D

April 30?! wow! then I will wait eagerly for the next version but it's a shame that you can not include catalunya mod. Do you have a wish list for 5.0 release? Could you add that mod to it?

I'm courious about the way you develop this mod, could you answer some questions?
how many people are involved?
how many hours do you invest in the mod per person and week?

Thank you very much

CIV GOLD 4.0 is being developed to have Civ's being added in even after the Initial Release. So perhaps there is still a chance you might get your wish

Thank you very much, it's a pleasure you are taking my suggestion into account. :)

But now, I'm having a problem, after installing CIV Gold 3.0 mod on my Civ Warlords folder, menu text are not displaying, and also many of the descriptions of techs, civilizations, etc.:(

Colud you help me?

And I have another question... how you know what files mean what? is there a kind of modder's guide?:confused:

But now, I'm having a problem, after installing CIV Gold 3.0 mod on my Civ Warlords folder, menu text are not displaying, and also many of the descriptions of techs, civilizations, etc.:(

If you are using a language version other than English, you will get this error. This should be fixed in 4.0

And I have another question... how you know what files mean what? is there a kind of modder's guide?:confused:

Check out the 'Tutorials' forum, along with Civ4wiki.

when will gold 4 come out

when will gold 4 come out

We are in the process of putting all the pieces together. Shqype is working on the UB stats, but most everything else is done and awaiting clean up/assembly. Purplexus has taken on the lion's share of assembly, while I have severl files to "clean."

It's tough, at this point, to provide an exact date. But it's moving well.

Extremely Well.... i might add... as I am seeing the final outcome coming together Quickly. I can assure you the team members are putting in a tonne of work to release it soon.

Hi all

I just discovered how fun it's multiplayer game.
will Civ Gold 4.0 support multiplayer game (direct ip, e-mail...)?

Thanks in advance

P.S.: do i want to play Civ Gold 4.0? No!! I NEED to play Civ Gold 4.0 :P

Hi all

I just discovered how fun it's multiplayer game.
will Civ Gold 4.0 support multiplayer game (direct ip, e-mail...)?

Thanks in advance

P.S.: do i want to play Civ Gold 4.0? No!! I NEED to play Civ Gold 4.0 :P

If both people have Gold 4.0 installed and are playing the mod, it should play just fine.

Can anyone tell what are the leaders for Chile with traits and UU>?

Can anyone tell what are the leaders for Chile with traits and UU>?

I'll have to get back to this later tonight as the info is on my home computer. Bernardo O'Higgins is the Chilean leader.

I DONT know how to compile source code.

I DONT know how to compile source code.

Not sure if this mod need any C++ programmers... Actually I'm Pretty sure

All C++ coding is completed already.
Thanks for the offer though

If a utility could be made that made ease in some of the functions, that would be helpful. But I'm not sure exactly what would be required.

Maybe a tag maker for City/Unit names?

I am looking for but can't finnd it: is CIV Gold 4 alredy put to download it(Warlords Expansion)? If so, what' s the thread?
thanks in advance.

I am looking for but can't finnd it: is CIV Gold 4 alredy put to download it(Warlords Expansion)? If so, what' s the thread?
thanks in advance.

Not ready yet. 3.0 is good to go for Warlords, but we're still working on 4.0.

Thanks, I have CIV GOLd 3.0. I'll wait then.

I'm sure you've probably heard this time and again, but I scanned over this thread and didn't see an answer.
Was the ethnically diverse mod ever included in Civ Gold 3.0? Will it be included in 4.0?
Great work so far and I look forward to the next version!

Consider renaming the Bolivar empire to New Grenada as that is the proper name of the empire of which Simon Bolivar conquered.

I'm sure you've probably heard this time and again, but I scanned over this thread and didn't see an answer.
Was the ethnically diverse mod ever included in Civ Gold 3.0? Will it be included in 4.0?
Great work so far and I look forward to the next version!

There was a plan to include it, but *as the Firaxis coding currently exists*, it would take too long and be too cumbersome to include at present.

But read that carefully and be patient for a couple months. ;)

Consider renaming the Bolivar empire to New Grenada as that is the proper name of the empire of which Simon Bolivar conquered.

Good suggestion.

What would be the adjective there? "Grenadian", "Grenadan", "Grenadese"?

don't know, i think inside the empire they called themselves Venezuelan if they live in Venezuela, Colombian if they live in Colombia etc.

Ps did you know simon bolivar was basque-venezuelan?

Consider renaming the Bolivar empire to New Grenada as that is the proper name of the empire of which Simon Bolivar conquered.

Then what's Gran Colombia? Is that something else entirely?

Oops i'm a complete idiot...

It was called Gran Colombia not new Grenada sorry for my stupid mistake.
don't know, i think inside the empire they called themselves Venezuelan if they live in Venezuela, Colombian if they live in Colombia etc.

But that and everything is else the same.

There was a plan to include it, but *as the Firaxis coding currently exists*, it would take too long and be too cumbersome to include at present.

But read that carefully and be patient for a couple months. ;)

Duely noted and I look forward to it.
I actually spent the morning borrowing code and unit images back and forth between the ethnically diverse mod and Civ gold, I got the initial warlords Civs in Gold to have the diversified units...it just took me four hours to get it right :blush:
Please don't hate me for taking it upon myself to make modifications to such a great piece of work, I just really really wanted to play at least one game where I didn't have to worry about everything but my Impi being white but I couldn't bring myself to drop all the wonderful civ additions from Gold.

Please don't hate me for taking it upon myself to make modifications to such a great piece of work, I just really really wanted to play at least one game where I didn't have to worry about everything but my Impi being white but I couldn't bring myself to drop all the wonderful civ additions from Gold.

Of course not! If you want to volunteer to do this with 4.0 when it's complete, you're welcome to pitch in. :D

My understanding is that this sort of thing may be easier with "Beyond the Sword." If so, then we'll probably add it at that time.

how about after Beyond The Sword is released, you take the new civs from warlords and Beyond the Sword and put it in the mod.

That way you could make your version of the mods released seperatly so people who hate the way fireaxis made them, they just get your mods. And the people who want fireaxis version get them. it could be a mini project after you release Civ Gold 4.

Civ Gold 4.0 will be modular... meaning that all civs you don't like can be taken out by simply not putting their folder in the mod folder. If beyond the sword follows this same coding... they can merge without any effort... My eventual goal is to have all Mods make their code modular. So you get exactly what you want out of your game.

Oh that's great so let's say i don't like the Romanian civ, i just take it out and i have civ gold with no Romania?

I was looking at the XML files, and I was wondering if there was a way to edit the Buildings Info/Schema files to make the Vanilla Civ Gold have Unique Buildings.
Unless one isn't allowed to add new tags to XML files without editing other, non-XML files.

Oh that's great so let's say i don't like the Romanian civ, i just take it out and i have civ gold with no Romania?

Yes Exactly!

But lets say you find another Civ that isn't in the Civ Gold list and you wanted to through it into your mix... You could just drag it into the Same folder and VOILA! you now got that civ added in. (IT MUST BE ALSO PROGRAMMED INTO THE PLUG AND PLAY FORMAT) and trust me in the next couple months this will be the way to do things.

Let's say i like the polish mod better then the polish mod in civ 4, so i just do the same thing?

Jerrymander: Modularization requires that one include a local Schema in each modules so if one had the proper read code in a specially moded and compiled DLL it could read new XML elements out of one particular module without having to modify any of the other modules.

Fortunatly for your particular request its even easier, few people realize that Civ4 vanilla has all the code and xml tags nessary to implement Unique Buildings, it was just not utilized in vanilla.

Their are a number of other xml tags that were never used by Firaxis but prove useful for several mods.

Let's say i like the polish mod better then the polish mod in civ 4, so i just do the same thing?

This would be correct... But I must stress... that each of the two polish civ's must be in the plug and play format.

The changing of these civ's to Plug and play Format takes about 1 hour and the process is going well as I convert each of the CIV GOLD 3.0 civ's. But realize I have yet to attempt any other civ's in any other mods so most likely it will take the release of CIV GOLD 4.0 + The plug and play format to catch on like wild fire. This will probally be the case as we get going.

Of course not! If you want to volunteer to do this with 4.0 when it's complete, you're welcome to pitch in. :D

My understanding is that this sort of thing may be easier with "Beyond the Sword." If so, then we'll probably add it at that time.

In that case I will continue on with my attempts on the current Gold build and see if I can get it up and running for the rest of Civs in there, if so I would probably be more than happy to volunteer, this was just my first time ever working with XML so I'd like to get the practice before I make a formal commitment.
My only request would end up being information on which ethnicities to use for which Civs, but the Civlopedia entries would probably solve that for me simply enough.
Currently I have the basic Warlords Civs skinned and played my first game with it as Korea, Mali and India were computer controlled and I have made it through most of the game (I am currently increasing my armament for a final push into a domination victory). There havn't been any bugs or hiccups yet so it all seems good.
I can't take credit for anything other than leg-work (or perhaps finger-work?) I used Rabbit's code as I don't know enough yet to write my own.
My ultimate goal is to skin all the Civs under Rabbit's Ethnically Diverse mod and then double back and add assorted other units (I recently came across the wonderful Mongolian mounted units and would enjoy having more than just the Keshiks, even if it is just for models.) But I will keep track of who's stuff I use and be, as I said, more than willing to help out with Gold 4 afterwards if I can get my head fully wrapped around the codes.

@Purplexus:This is my question: by the way tou talked in #141, if somebody wants, can put together Amra's mod and yours all together, as one single mod?
(Both mods are wonderful work, CIV Gold 3.0 and Amra's, I just don't like changing mod everytime I want to play)
Sorry for (as somebody said once) my "poor English".

@Purplexus:This is my question: by the way tou talked in #141, if somebody wants, can put together Amra's mod and yours all together, as one single mod?
(Both mods are wonderful work, CIV Gold 3.0 and Amra's, I just don't like changing mod everytime I want to play)
Sorry for (as somebody said once) my "poor English".

Actually you will be able to do exactly that. Amra's Mod I am working on at the same time as CIV GOLD. Because a lot of the data is the exact same. so it become a double whammy to make it plug and play for both. And because both mods will be in plug and play form... then can merge that easy...

So seeing the new screenshots from Beyond The Sword apparently we are getting flavoured units now anyway.
Which is pretty kick ass.
But if I feel I can get the XML down well enough I will probably look to join in on future endeavours if I can work it into my schedule.

So seeing the new screenshots from Beyond The Sword apparently we are getting flavoured units now anyway.
Which is pretty kick ass.
But if I feel I can get the XML down well enough I will probably look to join in on future endeavours if I can work it into my schedule.

Well, I have a huge need right now to help with Units and unit tags. The job is pretty straightforward and doesn't require much XML knowledge. You could probably get it done in a few of hours.

Plus you'd get huge input into the UUs.

QUOTE:
"Actually you will be able to do exactly that. Amra's Mod I am working on at the same time as CIV GOLD. Because a lot of the data is the exact same. so it become a double whammy to make it plug and play for both. And because both mods will be in plug and play form... then can merge that easy..."

@purplexus: Did you mean CIV GOLD 3.0 or the new CIV GOLD 4.0? If 3.0 version, could you please explain a little more about how doing this?i play CIV4W but I,m not a good computer user, sorry to bother, I do thanks you a lot!

@purplexus: I do apologise for bothering, I've found a tutorial from Jeckel about how to add a civ from one mod to another (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=145768)
I think now I'll get it work.Thanks, for your help.

Rebakan... Plug and Play is Plug and Play.. It doesn't matter if it is CIV GOLD 3.0 or 4.0 so I am not sure as to what you are asking me? If you want to add a civ or subtract a CIV... you just drag them in or out. (As long as they are in the plug and play format that is)

If possible, I would like the adjustment to the Polynesians where Hawaiians are their own civ.

The Hawaiians were a tremendously significant culture to the British, Americans, Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, Portugese, other Polynesians and many other cultures in their ties with the Pacific. Hawaiʻi became a major trade station between the western and eastern hemisphere and a melting pot of race and culture from all over the world.

Due to it's key location in the Pacific, the United States of America overthew the Hawaiian Monarcy in 1893, created the Republic of Hawaii in 1894, and officially annexed Hawaiʻi as a US territory in 1898. The bombing of Pearl Harbor in Hawaiʻi on December 7, 1941 by the Japanese is what threw the US into WWII. Hawaiʻi became a state in 1959. With the overthrow, tourism and the infusion of world cultures in Hawaiʻi, Hawaiians as a race has become diluted, but recent resurgences of culture, music, language, and political issues concerning native Hawaiian rights have brought Hawaiians back into recognition as a race with a unique culture and history.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/Arms.gif

Hawaiian Empire

Starting Technologies: Agriculture, Fishing
Unique Unit: Koa (Spearmen)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Kamehamehaportrait.jpg
Leader 1: Kamehameha the Great (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha), another biography (http://www.ksbe.edu/pauahi/history.php)
Trait: Aggressive
Trait: Spiritual
Favorite Civic: Hereditary Rule

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Kingdavidkalakaua.jpg
Leader 2: David Kalākaua (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalakaua)
or

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Liliuokalani.jpg
Liliʻuokalani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliuokalani)
Trait: Creative
Trait: Financial
Favorite Civic: Hereditary Rule

The images presented here are from Wikipedia which state that these images are for public use. For more on ancient Hawaiian culture, warfare, and religion, see http://www.alternative-hawaii.com/hacul/index.html and http://www.hiarmymuseumsoc.org/museum/exhibits.html

To make Liliʻuokalani, Victoria would be a great starting base. They have very similar styles. As for colors of the crown and sash, I would go with red for the crown and yellow for the sash. For the dress, maroon or dark brown would work.

I can see a version of Kamehameha has already been made, but if he were wearing a feather cloak (perhaps taken from a different leaderhead, that would make it even better.

King Kamehameha's ceremonial feather cape. Hawaiians caught a lot of birds to make this. The creators caught the birds using tree sap on a branch, plucked a few feathers, then set the birds free.

http://www.theinsider.com/Aloha/Photos/BishopCape.JPG

This is the original Kamehameha Statue

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/13/300px-Kamehameha_statue_Kohala.jpg

Here's the famous statue in front of the State Capitol:

http://www.deephawaii.com/photo_gallery/oahu/Kamehameha.jpghttp://www.alohafriendshawaii.com/web%20art/King_Kamehameha_statueKamDay04vfront.jpg

Statue of Kamehameha (http://www.americaslibrary.gov/aa/kamehameh/aa_kamehameh_subj_e.html) at the US Capitol in Washington D.C.

This is an artist's rendition of King Kamehameha from this page: http://www.elliecrowe.com/book6.html

http://www.elliecrowe.com/img/kamehameha.jpg

Follow this link for More great pics (http://www.hawaiiweb.com/hawaii/html/sites/kamehameha_the_great_statue.html) of this unique traditional feather outfit.

Wow, and in my search for great pictures of Kamehameha, I found this thread:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/printthread.php?t=41995&pp=20

Cities for Hawaiʻi:
Honolulu
Waikiki
ʻAiea
Hauʻula
Lāʻie
Kahuku
Wahiawā
Hilo
Kona
Wailuku
Līhuʻe
ʻEwa
Haleʻiwa
Kāneʻohe
Waimānalo
Nānākuli
Hana

These are not in any particular order. Honolulu is the capital however. If you need more cities, I can provide more. Mahalo (Thank you).

For the Hawaiians, the Unique Unit would be Nā Koa, or the spearmen. (Nā means "the" plural, Koa means warrior)

http://gracegalleries.com/images/HAW/HAW143.jpghttp://www.alternative-hawaii.com/activity/beachbi/images/24b.jpg

Some wore helmets made of tightly woven fibers and feathers. Others wore helmets carved from gourds.

http://www.hawaiiantrading.com/herb-kane/image-pg/nuuaunu_battle.jpg
From http://www.hawaiiantrading.com/herb-kane/pages/battle-at-nuuanu-pali.html

Here is more on Hawaiian weaponry (http://www.coffeetimes.com/weapons.htm) as observed by Captain Cook and other westerners.

The ancient Unique Building would be a heiau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heiau) or Hawaiian temple. It was probably the most prominent and lasting structures Hawaiians built before western contact.
http://www.hawaii.pictures-pacific.com/big-island/west-kailua-heiau.html
http://www.nps.gov/puhe/photosmultimedia/index.htm
http://www.aloha-hawaii.com/hawaii/heiau/
This is an interesting article: http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Jul/02/ln/ln22p.html

A more modern structure for the Hawaiians would be the Iolani Palace (http://www.iolanipalace.org/).

WingedPaladin,

This is something for us to consider in future versions, but it is unlikely to change for the time-being. While the Hawai'ians are distinct (as are, say, Cook Islanders), the truth is that in order to represent as diverse a population as possible in CIV Gold, we had to make some groupings.

@purplexus: please, don't be angry with me... What I was trying to say is, instead of having CIV GOLD 3.0 and Amra 2.10 mods separatedly, in my pc, I would like both mods be like as one, so I would load multiple mods at once (changing doubled civs names, of course).I know I have to merge them, but I don't know how.
May be I'm a little lazy,you know, but I think this is really difficult to make, mostly to a person like me that just know (a little) to play CIVs.I tried but didn't get it.
I asked if it was 3.0 or 4.0 because Amra told me that may be in 3.0 I can't do it but in 4.0 I would.He explained why, I don't remember now.

Can you, not now, but someday teach us how is "changing these civ's to Plug and play Format "in a tutorial for dummies like me?(Pleeeaaaase!!!)
OK, no problem, I'm kidding. I know you are a very busy guy, thanks for your hard work on CIVGOLD, it's fantastic!
I just want you to know that I love this site, all the people here, and come + - 20 times a day to this thread just for reading your posts and try to learn something new so I won't bother you any more than I already do.
Thanks for your answers, it was very nice of you doing this.

HMM.... Rebakan. Perhaps you are trying to merge the 2 Mods together already? If this is so... yes it will be very difficult... Wait for CIV GOLD 4.0's release and you will understand better.

Thanks, I'm waiting.

purplexus - sorry to mither you.. I take it from above that Civ Gold 4.0 will work with BtS? Also, will Scotland feature in the next lineup?

A big thank you for Civ Gold 3.0, polished the game off perfectly for me the last 9 months. :)

purplexus - sorry to mither you.. I take it from above that Civ Gold 4.0 will work with BtS? Also, will Scotland feature in the next lineup?

A big thank you for Civ Gold 3.0, polished the game off perfectly for me the last 9 months. :)

YIKES! Sorry I didn't have any part in CG 3.0... I am only assisting with CG 4.0 We won't know if CG 4.0 will work With BtS until it comes out. (i gotta put my pennies in a jar) Scotland Will be in the list of CIV's in CG4

purplexus - sorry to mither you.. I take it from above that Civ Gold 4.0 will work with BtS? Also, will Scotland feature in the next lineup?

4.0 won't compatible with BTS right away. We'll have to make the necessary changes, remove the duplicate civs, etc. But a BTS version will be available.

As for Scotland, they are currently available and will remain available in future editions.

Just a note CG 5.0 may need to be released with the new info I just got today. :( BtS will already have the new Plug and Play system built into it. (how cool is that) It will only take a few adjustments but it will work. :)

when will 4.0 be avalible

when will 4.0 be avalible

Real life is kicking our collective butts right now.

It's moving forward but doubling the number of civs + preparing it for plug-n-play have taken a looooong time (especially when we have only a few hours a week right now).

We're still looking for any help the community can offer.

Current Status - March 29, 2007
- Brazil's Estadio de Futbol has red circle around base


oh... it's Estádio de Futebol and... why everyone that isn't brazilian thinks that Brazil is a country that is just soccer, soccer, soccer? :(
why don't you make a more historical thing? :)

oh... it's Estádio de Futebol and... why everyone that isn't brazilian thinks that Brazil is a country that is just soccer, soccer, soccer? :(
why don't you make a more historical thing? :)

When I choose the soccer stadium I was thinking of something that had a big impact on Brazilian culture and society.

I'm 100% open to another idea if you have one.

When I choose the soccer stadium I was thinking of something that had a big impact on Brazilian culture and society.

I'm 100% open to another idea if you have one.

well, the idea is very good. Practically everyone in Brazil loves soccer. This is an great idea for Brazil's unique building. I am just saying that practically every gringo (how we call the not-brazilians. mwahahaha.) thinks that here is just carnival, soccer, samba, Rio, plastic surgery and women in the beach. Well, anyways I have some another Ideas:

Fortaleza (replaces walls, more 1 happyness, can transform one citizen in enginner)
Police Station (replaces jail, -40% war wearinnes, more 1 health)
Park (replaces Courthouse, -50% city maintence, more 1 health and more 1 :))
Quilombo (replaces something and makes something :lol:)

but in all the options I prefer the Soccer Stadium :p
but change the name from "Estadio de Futbol" for "Soccer Stadium" or "Estádio de Futebol" ;)

Hi, civ gold team

I was wondering whether you were going to include the missing civs from Amras pack, particularly the ancient ones such as Etruria, Picts etc.

I also wanted to say that there are two guys Elgrillo and Aranor making some great ancient age civs such as the Samnites etc, great stuff for the birth of Rome. i was wondering if it helps to have the civs already researched and stuff. They also have unique leaderheads and things.

I would very much like to help where i can, particularly if I could be involved in getting a few more ancient age civs in the pack. i can research etc

Good luck with the pack

Someone mentioned the Garamentes earlier. I think it's a golden idea to add.

Hi, civ gold team

I was wondering whether you were going to include the missing civs from Amras pack, particularly the ancient ones such as Etruria, Picts etc.

Most of them, yes - Picts, Troy, Minoan, Hittites, Etruria, Kushans, Bulgaria, and a few more.

I also wanted to say that there are two guys Elgrillo and Aranor making some great ancient age civs such as the Samnites etc, great stuff for the birth of Rome. i was wondering if it helps to have the civs already researched and stuff. They also have unique leaderheads and things.

Aranor has a couple of civs that will be in gold and is helping with some other aspects of the project.

I would very much like to help where i can, particularly if I could be involved in getting a few more ancient age civs in the pack. i can research etc

The offer is much appreciated. If you contact purplexus he can give you some direction on researching diplomacy quotes. He's taking the lead on that end and it's a big need for us right now.

Good luck with the pack

Thanks. :)

I will get onto perplexes and give a hand. I had to say that I was looking forward to this more than the new expansion pack.

The Lastone36 I was thinking along the lines of historically playable sets for urcopains huge euro map which has this unbelievable Roman peninsula wher i would have the etruri, rome and the samnites plus others off the peninsula for the later game scythians etc. A great Byzantine game would have to have the Osterogoths and visigoths and so on, i.e recaliming western rome etc. You can already have Persians Babylonians, sumerians and another cant remember all linked by take overs. Theres a couple of civs Im missing for Rome, i need elgrillos samnites. well Ill shut up now and help. Nothing fancy standard rules 4000 start just be hsitorically sensitive and a bit imaginative. Now Ill shut up and help. And you can go on with other sets like germanites etc etc. Now ill shut up

I am on holidays!!! So I wonder if you are too and if this is going to speed CIV Gold 4 development.

Also I wonder if CIV Gold 4 will be compatible with "Beyond the sword" or if you have in mind any project to make it compatible.

Thank you so much

The World of Civilization Team is doing a massive overhaul for all CFC mods to make them BTS compatible. It just so happens that I joined up with them. My first goal is to make the CG4 civs compatible.

The World of Civilization Team is doing a massive overhaul for all CFC mods to make them BTS compatible. It just so happens that I joined up with them. My first goal is to make the CG4 civs compatible.

I've got a lot of new content to upload to the repository. :goodjob:

One question - how should we handle music? It's all done, save for the XML work.

I've got a lot of new content to upload to the repository. :goodjob:

One question - how should we handle music? It's all done, save for the XML work.

Estimate as to when civ gold 4 (bts compatible) will be released?

Well, got word from the doc that our 2nd is due sometime over the next few days, so that's going to slow things down. :)

It would be really nice to wrap it up in 2 weeks, but that's damn amibitious.

Congratulations!

I've got a lot of new content to upload to the repository. :goodjob:

One question - how should we handle music? It's all done, save for the XML work.

Music goes all into one file. Its not modular.

Estimate as to when civ gold 4 (bts compatible) will be released?

BTS Compatible I guess will be my undertaking. As I am already working on the content already set to be released and converting it. I can't go any faster then those creating the content

Omg I wish I could help you guys to get this out quicker!

Rush! lol

Guys,

I would like to make my contribution.

I'm finishing a Brazil modular civ, with 2 3d animated leaderheads. I belive it be done in four days, and them I can edit more 3d Leaders to yout project.

Sounds great, thanks!

Conversion of what I can to BtS underway! check the repository often for more info

Hi guys.

Well, we have a new addition to the family - Alexander Michael arrived at 9:19 on Tuesday morning. He's a wonderful little guy, with an amazing mom and a great big brother.

I'm at home this week, but things are crazy as you might imagine. I'm dead tired most of the time but I'm going to try and update the 4.0 civs with the work I did just before leaving work last week.

Congratulations!!!!!

Thanks. :) I managed to pick up BTS yesterday, so that should help.

Damn, I'm running on adrenaline here.

I don't have BtS, not yet at least. :S

well, the idea is very good. Practically everyone in Brazil loves soccer. This is an great idea for Brazil's unique building. I am just saying that practically every gringo (how we call the not-brazilians. mwahahaha.) thinks that here is just carnival, soccer, samba, Rio, plastic surgery and women in the beach. Well, anyways I have some another Ideas:

Fortaleza (replaces walls, more 1 happyness, can transform one citizen in enginner)
Police Station (replaces jail, -40% war wearinnes, more 1 health)
Park (replaces Courthouse, -50% city maintence, more 1 health and more 1 :))
Quilombo (replaces something and makes something :lol:)

but in all the options I prefer the Soccer Stadium :p
but change the name from "Estadio de Futbol" for "Soccer Stadium" or "Estádio de Futebol" ;)

Exactly, it's Portuguese, not Spanish. ;) With some thinking we might come up with something more typically Brazilian though. The football stadiums in Brazil are for the most part in pretty bad shape. Not something to be too proud of.

How about a churrascaria or rodízio to replace the granary? Or maybe the UF (federal university) to replace the standard university?

Man, I'm getting tons of ideas for Curitiba now haha. Too bad Curitiba isn't representative for the entire country.

Btw, giving a police station as special building should actually damage the civ, if it is to reflect real life situations. Even in the wealthy south there is corruption.

Hi guys.

Well, we have a new addition to the family - Alexander Michael arrived at 9:19 on Tuesday morning. He's a wonderful little guy, with an amazing mom and a great big brother.

I'm at home this week, but things are crazy as you might imagine. I'm dead tired most of the time but I'm going to try and update the 4.0 civs with the work I did just before leaving work last week.
Hey Wyz! I was lurking around today (first time in a long time) and I saw this post and just had to say... Congratulations! This is indeed a wonderful thing.
Cigars all around. :cowboy:

PS: I'm not officially "back" but was just lurking and had to say hello.

Hey Wyz! I was lurking around today (first time in a long time) and I saw this post and just had to say... Congratulations! This is indeed a wonderful thing.
Cigars all around. :cowboy:

PS: I'm not officially "back" but was just lurking and had to say hello.

AMRA COME BACK!!!!!!

AMRA COME BACK!!!!!!
Thanks, that makes me smile. :) Believe me, I wish I had the time to get back into Civ4 modding (it's way more fun than real life) but things are still just too hectic for me to dive back in right now. I think when and if I get back to it, it will be in a limited capacity such as creating new Civs & Leaderheads - I always enjoyed that part the most. The Modpack was a lot of work and had developed a life of it's own after a while. I'm also waiting to see if there any further BTS patches coming down the pike, as I suspect there will be (I always hated having to update everything for each little patch).

Anyway, I'd like to take the opportunity to say thanks to you and everyone else for keeping some of my work (civs, 2nd UU's, etc) still alive by converting it to BTS. That is very nice and much appreciated. :goodjob:

PS: Sorry Wyz for briefly hijacking your thread. :mischief:

Wyz, just saw your post and wanted to say Congrats on your new addition!! Watch out, they grow up so fast, mine just started 1st Grade this week, I can't believe it!

Cheers,
ripple01

Argh the suspense is killing me!

Congrats as well Wyz_sub10! :)

Thanks everyone!

Okay, an update: a lot of civs are complete and converted for BtS. What's taking so long with the new civs is the small piecemeal things like icons, etc. But they're getting done.

Tonight I'm going to upload a tonne of new material to the repository, and other members are working on bits and parts.

Hope it gets ready soon! I'm really growing impatient with the ache to get my hands on the latest addition ^^ Someone had a national mentality boost and got tired of playing as Vikings.

Hope it gets ready soon! I'm really growing impatient with the ache to get my hands on the latest addition ^^ Someone had a national mentality boost and got tired of playing as Vikings.

LOL!

Why dontcha play as the canucks eh! :p

That is not the same :D I Want Finland! I want Finland! ^^ And a late congratulations to wyz!

We have Finland!

Darn, you'r right! We have Finland! :D

Seriously, I want to be able to play as Finland WITH all the additional civs in the Civ Gold Pack.

Secondly, is there any other mod than the Road to War Add-on Pack, that enables playing as Finland?

Thirdly, It would be nice to see U.K Kekkonen remodeled more precise to hes real looks. Also additional leader, C.G.E Mannerheim for example, would add a very nice touch to Finnish civilization, in the sense that he was the one that contributed so much for our freedom and would have achieved even more, if the government would have backed him with a "little" larger budget when aggression from Russia was quite obvious. I mean that statement purely in mind of the Winter war, not in the sense of Greater Finland, that nazis were trying to sell to us :D

That arouses one question to me; how well do people here know the history of Continuation War, as we called it, and its reasons? For it seems to be common miss understanding that Finland was an official ally of Nazis, when in fact Finland never agreed to be an ally.

This mod seems pretty impressive, but when's it going to be finished?

Thanks, that makes me smile. :) Believe me, I wish I had the time to get back into Civ4 modding (it's way more fun than real life) but things are still just too hectic for me to dive back in right now. I think when and if I get back to it, it will be in a limited capacity such as creating new Civs & Leaderheads - I always enjoyed that part the most. The Modpack was a lot of work and had developed a life of it's own after a while. I'm also waiting to see if there any further BTS patches coming down the pike, as I suspect there will be (I always hated having to update everything for each little patch).

Anyway, I'd like to take the opportunity to say thanks to you and everyone else for keeping some of my work (civs, 2nd UU's, etc) still alive by converting it to BTS. That is very nice and much appreciated. :goodjob:

PS: Sorry Wyz for briefly hijacking your thread. :mischief:

No worries. Great to hear from you! Of course, now that you've wandered back into the lion's den...

This mod seems pretty impressive, but when's it going to be finished?

3.0 is already available for vanilla and Warlords, so you can get an idea of how it plays.

4.0 is moving very slowly. New baby, heavy workload, getting older - all of these combine for crappy free time. :)

Can I mention one thing, can you look at how the graphics work on some of your UU's? One I would mention from 3.0 would be Highlanders do not seem to run anywhere near the enemy when zooming in for combat.

Loved the detailing though! :D

Updated status on first page

Can I mention one thing, can you look at how the graphics work on some of your UU's? One I would mention from 3.0 would be Highlanders do not seem to run anywhere near the enemy when zooming in for combat.

Loved the detailing though! :D

Definitely. Thanks.

I was wondering, if it were possible to add Risto Ryti as one Finnish leader? As it was he, who sacrificed him self for our independence, at the end of continuation war.

His background is in short; When Russians bombed Finland without declaring war in 26.06.1941, bombing 15 cities with strength of about 500 bombers, even when Finland had declared its neutrality in 22.06.1941. Finland had no other choice than allow Germans to interfere and agree their access to Finland territory in exchange of weapons. Risto Ryti took the fall, without agreement from congress, he signed an alliance with Germans. It was merely a strategic decision and only way Finland could survive, because Finns were totally cut of from allies and on top of that, Soviets were one of the allied forces. Finland tried to make an agreement with Sweden, but they chickened and pulled back. So, if it was not for Rytis sacrifice, we would have been part of Soviets ever since.

In sense, Finns were not Nazi spirited at all. There were few though, but it was a significant minority and partly because of the necessity of the situation, as being military contacts at Germany was not friendly, if you were not at all Nazi spirited and acted like arjan. Thats the only minority that I have heard of that was Nazi friendly, or friendly to their ideology. For example Mannerheim did not like Hitler at all and was not so exited when Hitler paid a visit at his birthday by surprise. I saw a video of it and you could tell by Mannerheims face :lol:

Anyhoo, theres a little bit of history about why Risto Ryti is one great Finnish person. And some background about how wrong the history is about Finlands war criminal status. There were some lectures at National World War II Museum in New Orleans about "Operation Barbarossa, Finnish-Russian Continuation War and the Karelia Question" in 6th december 2006 that explained about it and about the ongoing Karelia Question.

BTW, If you want to help our work with Karelian Question, please sign this plea (http://www.adressit.com/karjala_takaisin) to raise the question and help us to regain control over those long lost territories that Soviets took from us twice, breaking our non aggression agreements in the process. The reason why this did not come up back then, I do not know any better than this; The history is usually written by victors. Here is some info in english (http://www.prokarelia.net/en/), but I'm not sure where you could find more material about truthfulness of this statement in English. I'm sure however that it can be fou