Hi i am impressed with many of the changes you made to the core gameplay to make them more balanced.

I can agree with most of them such as toning down state property and making caste system more useful, but i just find some things very unbalanced.

Industrious civs with the bonus they have now are just overwhelming in the early game. I think just +1 hammer on tiles with 4 instead of 3 would be enough.

As it as now. Every mine produces an extra hammer for industrious civs and thats just undeniably too strong early game.

Also i think the financial trait should be +1 gold on tiles with 2 like in vanilla. I beileve this only because right now sea tiles are the same for everyone.

I could live with the financial change if you added a building that gave +1 commerce on water tiles mid to late game.

Hi i am impressed with many of the changes you made to the core gameplay to make them more balanced.

I can agree with most of them such as toning down state property and making caste system more useful, but i just find some things very unbalanced.


Right. THX.


Industrious civs with the bonus they have now are just overwhelming in the early game. I think just +1 hammer on tiles with 4 instead of 3 would be enough.

As it as now. Every mine produces an extra hammer for industrious civs and thats just undeniably too strong early game.


Mmmm... yes and no. Industrious trait was REALLY too strong in Vanilla. Giving a so strong bonus to wonder built was awesome. Remember that +1 hammer are given on titles with 3 hammers. They are not many. Either hill+plain+forest or mined hills.
I think they are quite good.... at least until another REALLY good system awake from a furious brain. ;)


Also i think the financial trait should be +1 gold on tiles with 2 like in vanilla. I beileve this only because right now sea tiles are the same for everyone.

I could live with the financial change if you added a building that gave +1 commerce on water tiles mid to late game.

Yes, why not ? I will ask this with the Team members.

Hian the Frog.

1 hammer on 3 is good for me. Gold/Silver/Gem mines on grass hill gives 2 hammers, so ind. trait doesnt affect this.

As for financial, 1 on plots with 2. Carthage and Mansa Musa will get over powered. Their resarch will be too fast, not to mention great mencenaries stack.

As for Incas, what about them ? Whole continent + industrial +financial.

I play on hard difficulaties, so i dont see any unballances, than usual.

i did +1 gold on plats with 2 and well... resarch is quite fast.
On Noble as Mansa Musa i have Feudalism in 600bc when best enemy civ doesnt have Iron Working yet...
As Mansa Musa on emperor i have a feeling like im playing on normal with +1 on 3.

Nethertheless problems occurs when AI has financial Civ. On noble its not a big deal, but on diety such civs (Mali, England, Carthage) not only outhastes everyone else with science, but also have 50% of its army made from mercenaries with outhastes their possible strongest unit (cataphract when it does not have nor Horseback Riding, nor horses, nor copper/iron).

But when financial civs doesnt have coastal cities, its rather a waste of trait till hamlets with rivers.

As for industrial, +1 on plots with 3 doesnt make all mined hiss give you bonus. Grassland hill has 1 hammer and mine on gold/gems/silver gives you only +1 not +2, so you have a hill with 2 hammers and 5+ gold, so industrial bonus dont work here.