SGOTM 03 - Russian Diplomats and Cosmonauts

Welcome to the third Civ4 SGOTM. As Peter The Great, Leader of All the Russias, you are charged with achieving a Diplomatic or Space Victory.

The Game
This Monarch difficulty game is on a Standard size, Gyathaar-special, crowded map, at Epic speed, against 17 rivals. All victory conditions are enabled, but the laurels for this contest will be awarded to the teams who achieve the fastest Diplomatic or Space victory.

Versions
Each team will have a choice of playing this map in Civilization IV version 1.61 or in Warlords version 2.08. The maps and civs/leaders will be the same in each version, but the games will play differently. Gyathaar has compiled some guidance on the differences in the next post in this thread. The civs and leaders will have the traits, UUs etc that are assigned out of the box in each of the two versions.

HoF Mod
The teams will play using variants of the HoF Mod (http://hof.civfanatics.net/civ4/mod.php) to allow you to take advantage of the additional logging, event monitoring and advisor options it provides. The mods will be mandatory, as the start files will be locked to those assets.

The Warlords teams will use the standard HoF Mod for Windows version 2.08. This is currently HOF_Mod-2.08.001 (http://hof.civfanatics.net/civ4/mods/HOF-2.08.001.exe), but we shall use the latest version of the mod as at the start date for the game.

The Vanilla teams will use the standard HoF Mod for Windows version 1.16. This is currently HOF_Mod-1.16.008 (http://hof.civfanatics.net/civ4/mods/HOF-1.16.008.exe), but we shall use the latest version of the mod as at the start date for the game.

There will now be no mod option to accommodate Mac players.

Sign up
The game will start on December 1st.

Please post in this thread if you wish to join a team and take part in the competition. The information required to place you in a suitable team is as follows:-


Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?
Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
Do you have a group of players you want to play with?


Starting Position
Here's the starting position - click the image below to see a larger version.

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/civ4games/images/sgotm3_start_small.jpg (http://gotm.civfanatics.net/civ4games/images/sgotm3_start_large.jpg)

Map Parameters
Playable Leader/Civ - Peter of Russia
Rivals - all the other 17 civs in version 1.61
World size - Standard
Difficulty - Monarch
Landform - Archipelago, low sea level, tropical
Game Speed - Epic
AI Aggression - Aggressive
Barbarians - Standard
Permanent Alliances Enabled
No City Razing
Vasselage Enabled in Warlords (default)

Notes

Please visit the Civ4 SGOTM reference thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=168439) to check out the rules and procedures to ensure that you are adequately prepared for this game.

BOTH Civilization IV v1.61 and Warlords v.2.08 are supported for this SGOTM. No other versions can be used, and you will have to stick with the same version throughout the game. We reserve the option to eliminate one of these versions if we judge that there are too few teams willing to play that version.

Teams will compete for up to four awards for each version of the game - the Gold, Silver and Bronze Laurels for the fastest finishes, and the Wooden Spoons for the lowest scoring finisher. The number of awards in each game will depend on the number of teams.

All teams must play the sponsored variant - awards will be given to teams who achieve Diplomatic or Space victories in the least turns.

All saved game files uploaded to the server are parsed through software that extracts and archives data about your save, including reload count for each turn set.

Spoiler information will absolutely NOT be tolerated in this thread.

Please sign up for this game to learn new skills in a friendly team competition.

Update 1: clarified that civs are the same in both versions, and the HoF Mod is mandatory.

Update 2: added links to HoF Mod page and HOF Mod downloads.

Update 3: updated HoF Mod details and removed the Mac player option.

Changes for Peter and Russia from vanilla 1.61 to warlords 2.08

Peter is Philosophical and Expansive, Philosophical has received no changes, Expansive however has received a change;

Expansive in 1.61:
+3 health in all cities
double production on Granary and Harbor

Expansive in 2.08:
+2 health in all cities
+50% hammers when building workers
double production on Granary and Harbor


Unique Unit; Cossack (replaces cavalry), available with Military Tradition

Cossack 1.61 stats:
18 strength, movement 2, cost 180 hammers (on epic)
Doesn't receive defensive bonuses
Can withdraw from combat (30% chance)
+50% attack vs Cannon
+50% attack vs Mounted Units

Cossack 2.08 stats:
15 strength, movement 2, cost 180 hammers (on epic)
Doesn't receive defensive bonuses
Can withdraw from combat (30% chance)
+50% attack vs Cannon
+50% attack vs Mounted Units


Warlords adds a unique building for Russia;
Research Institute (replaces Laboratory), available with Computers
Stats are identical as for Laboratory, but adds
+2 free scientist specialists

Team Lists - Current Database Status

The following live feed off the SGOTM 3 Player database reflects the sign-ups I have picked up so far. Please verify that I have included your sign-up, and shown your version preference correctly.

[Updated - November 22] The player lists are now draft team lists.

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/submit/team_list/team_list_image.php

Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?
Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
Do you have a group of players you want to play with?

Hello. I wish to join a team. I want to play 2.08 warlords. I have played 1 or 2 civ4 gotm before dont remember if i reported the second one :) And I have never played a succession game before or SGOTM. I dont have a group of players but would like to join someone. Im pretty much comfortable with any difficoulty level. Just give me a pm and I will look into it.

EDIT: Ive gotten a request and confirmed that I want to join The Trash team. (ofcourse the only thing to be trashed is the AI opponents!)

1. I can play both, prefer Warlords
2. I can win Monarch consistantly, Emporer about 3/10
3. Nope
4. I have played a few succesion games
5. Nope

Looking forward to this!!!

Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?
Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
Do you have a group of players you want to play with?


1. Either, no preference (Whatever Team Smurkz chooses).
2. Prince/Monarch (I haven't played a solo game in a while). :sad:
3. Yes
4. Yes, both.
5. Team Smurkz (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=182143)

Note: The link is to our team history thread, so no cause to worry about spoilers.

@SGOTM Staff: Can our graph line be the Smurkz green color? Just a minor request. :D

1. Can play either. No preference.
2. Emperor
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Memphis Blues

1. Can play either, prefer warlords
2. No idea. I am currently halfway through my first ever civ4 game, so I'm a long way from being comfortable on any level.
3. nope
4. yes, but all on civ3
5. I'd prefer at least one or two players I've played with before, as I'm more likely to trust their advice. So if anyone knows me and is happy to invite me to their team, please say so. Other than that, no preference.

@SGOTM Staff: Can our graph line be the Smurkz green color? Just a minor request. :D
Graph colors are assigned from a fixed palette in alphabetical order. I *could* reorder the palette to put green at the right point in the list for one game, but it wouldn't necessarily be correct for the next game or the previous ones, depending on the team names. And it would change all the colour assignments for prior games, confusing the teams in the current game in the process.

Alternatively, I could change the software so that team colors are specified separately for each game, but that's not a trivial change, and you did say it was a 'minor' request .....

Another option would be for you to bribe the other teams to change their team names to put yours in the right position to pick up green. :mischief: Note that the Smurkz bright green is the fourth color in the list, so getting 'Smurkz' that high up alphabetically, using bribary, could be expensive :p

Hell yeah! I'm in!

I'd prefer to play warlords, but I'll play whatever Fifth Element has.
I can play at Monarch.
GOTM: Yes
SGOTM: Yes
Team: Fifth Element

I haven't decided whether to signup or not, but I have a question. Will the HoF mod be mandatory for participation?

Yes. The saves will have locked assets.

To clarify: The maps for Civ4 and Warlords will be the same. The eighteen civs and leaders will also be the same for both games, but they will have the traits, UUs etc. that are assigned to them out of the box in the two versions.

I've updated the first post to reflect these last two posts

I'll sign up but i'll have to check whether CDZ is playing again first before going for a team :)

1. Either
2. Monarch
3. All
4. Some
5. X-team, if they can stand the thought

1. 2.08/Warlords
2. Monarch tops
3. Yes
4.Yes Civ4 SGOTM 1
5. Im not sure.

Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?
Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
Do you have a group of players you want to play with?



1. I can play either, prefer Warlords, but I'll do whichever Geezers can do
2. Monarch(up from Prince three months ago, thanks GOTM staff!)
3. Yes, all of them
4. SGOTM2 only
5. Geezers

Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?
Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
Do you have a group of players you want to play with?


1. I just have Vanilla at the moment
2. Monarch
3. Some
4. Yes
5. Geezers (if the others decide to play warlords I will get a copy of it.)

1. Can play both. Prefer Warlords (will play either)
2. Emperor
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Pioneer Knights (if they sign up ;))

Hi I would like to join:

1.Only Vanilla
2.Prince
3.No
4.No:sad:
5.Throw me anywhere, i don't mind:)

I would like to participate in SGOTM 3.
Here are my answers:

1.Doesn"t matter. I have both.
2.Emperor
3.Yes
4.Yes
5.No question - Team Smurkz, the greatest... - Otherwise I would have to change my avatar.

Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?
Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
Do you have a group of players you want to play with?




I only have vanilla at present. Even though I may be getting Warlords in the not too distant future I would prefer to play this SG in vanilla.
Noble.
Started some but never finished.
Yes.
Team Geezers

Vanilla only, though I might consider getting Warlords if the rest of the team so wishes.
Monarch (only played one solo game though)
Played but not submitted (didn't finish on time)
Yes
Team Smurkz (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=182143)

1. Both
2. Monarch
3. Yes
4. No
5. No

1. Both prefer Warlords
2. Monarch / Emperor if I concentrate!
3. yes
4. yes
5. Fistful of Dynamite

A question:
is it possible to play both, of course with different teams?

1 - I can play both, if Fifth Element will team again we'll can decide together which one.
2 - Monarch/Emperor
3 - yes, but don't know my ranking (where are results?)
4 - SGotM2
5 - Fifth Element

an humble suggestion:
link this thread in the main GotM page too, i suppose more people will notice it (more people, more fun).

1. only have vanilla atm
2. noble - monarch
3. yes
4.yes
5. Team CDZ if there is one

Warlords only please.
Except for the WOTMs (which I consistenly lose...) I've been playing on Noble mostly.
Played some succession games way back in Civ3 but none since.

I'm signing up mostly because I want to improve my game, and I see SGOTM as more efficient to that than WOTM. So I'd prefer a team with some clever guys to learn from, and keep the focus on fun rather than first place.

Edit :
now hooked up with the Trash Team - just sounded like the place to be. :p

Version: Either
Level: Prince/Monarch
GOTM: yes
SGOTM:yes
Team : Trash Team (in the process of forming (hopefully))

A question:
is it possible to play both, of course with different teams?
No! The two games would diverge in time and/or map disclosure. A player involved in two teams would have the combined information from both games, and so have an unfair advantage over other players.

I'm new so can u tell me if this is a multiplayer game like on the internet?:sad:

Hey sounds great

I can play either - but I'd like to go Warlords
I can play noble quick and monarch real slow
Yes I've played GOTM's
Never played a SGOTM before
Anyone who'll have me in a team

Thanks for organising this event.

I've only got 500Mb or RAM will 17 rivals mean the game will chug later on?

I'm new so can u tell me if this is a multiplayer game like on the internet?

Hello, welcome :wavey:
It's a Succession Game, a Single player game where team members play maybe ten turns each and pass the game on to the next player in turn.

Please read the SGOTM Reference thread that's linked in the first post. That should answer most of yoiur questions.

I've only got 500Mb or RAM will 17 rivals mean the game will chug later on?
Probably. But RAM is the cheapest upgrade you can buy for your PC. Get it some more for Christmas :)

I would be keen to join.

1. Only Vanilla
2. Prince/Monarch
3. I have played since GOTM 8.
4. No.
5. With someone good so WE can win! :)

I would like to sign up
1. I can play either
2. Im comfy with any setting
3. I have played GOTM before
4. I just finished up 1 SG and Im in "Time Gentlemen"
I just finished the last turn if you want to look at my play style
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=4760940#post4760940
5. No preference

Version: Either (trash team will decide together)
Level: Monarch
GOTM: played but never submitted (submitting losses isn't very appealing :lol:)
SGOTM:no
SG:yes, but only recently
Team : Trash Team (if we manage it)

Can play both but wish to play Warlords.
Monarch when everything goes my way.
Yep. Played a couple.
CIV SGOTM 1 & 2
Fistful of Dynamite

1. only have vanilla atm, can move to warlords if needed
2. monarch/emperor
3. yes, since GOTM5
4. yes, GOTM2 (still in progress)
5. Team Gypsy Kings if there is one

1. Either, warlords preferred
2. Emporer
3. No
4. Yes, 1 and 2
5. Team Fistful of Dynamite

Thanks :)

Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference? 1.61 Vanilla or 2.08 Warlords, Would prefer Vanilla.

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?Monarch/Emperor

Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?Yes

Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?Yes

Do you have a group of players you want to play with?Murky Waters, if they will have me!

The same as JPC, except either version for me - hope we'll be teammates again. :)

1. Either
2. Emperor
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Chokonuts if we survive SGOTM2

1. Vanilla
2. Monarch (Warlords 2.08) and Emperor with Vanilla.
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Murky Water's

Proper sign up post
1. Either
2. Immortal
3. yes
4.yes
5. team cdz hopefully

Signing up!

1. Either
2. Monarch/emperor
3. Several but only had time to finish and submit a few
4. SGOTM2 with Pioneer Knights
5. Pioneer Knights

I'd also vote for a deadline... for example, end of January?

I'm in.

1. Either
2. Noble/Prince
3. Yes, SGOTM2
4. Yes
5. Team Murkey Waters

Please sign me up for SGOTM3!

Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?

I prefer warlords, but I would like to continue with team Short Straw, so I will go with our team consensus.

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?

Before the 2.08 patch I was very comfortable on monarch. I'll get back to you after WOTM3 :)

Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?

Yes

Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?

Yes

Do you have a group of players you want to play with?

Yes, team Short Straw.

1. Either
2. Monarch
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Short Straw

Vanilla only.
Monarch/Emperor
No
Yes
Team Smurkz

Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?
Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
Do you have a group of players you want to play with?



1. Both versions. I think Warlords is better suited to the victory condition, and I prefer it.
2. Monarch
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. I would play with Rat Pack if they re form. Otherwise wherever.

1. Either
2. Emperor
3. Yes
4. No
5. No

1. Either
2. Monarch
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Short Straw

Hi all,

1 - Both, would prefer Warlords.
2 - Monarch - 100% win but not allways good scores. :)
3 - I have played All the WOTM's and the last 2 GOTM's.
4 - No, this will be my first.
5 - Don't mind, just some nice friendly civvers

Manic_

1. Can play either, but prefer warlords
2. Monarch
3. No
4. Yes
5. Team VQ - not sure if we split up again tho...

1. Either, warlords preferred
2. vanilla Emperor
3. Yes
4. Yes, in CIV
5. Team Fistful of Dynamite

1. Vanilla preferred
2. Monarch
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Team Murky Waters

Looking forward to it!

Trying to make a test game.

Any chance you could let us know what kind of archipelago map this is?

And how it wraps.

Any chance you could let us know what kind of archipelago map this is? And how it wraps.Umm, it's all in the first post. :p

Umm, it's all in the first post. :p

That's what I thought....

Until I tried to set it up and I could choose type of archipelago (snaky, etc..) and world wrap (flat, etc) and resources. No biggy, but it would make the test closer to the truth.

the map was made in vanilla, so no world wrap or resources setting.. dont remember the type of archepelagio.. middle one I think

1. Can play both, prefer Warlords
2. Monarch
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Murky Water's

cas

the map was made in vanilla, so no world wrap or resources setting.. dont remember the type of archepelagio.. middle one I think

Thanks for the reply!

May I sign up please? :cool:

1. Either.
2. Monarch, at least most of the time. :rolleyes:
3. Yes.
4. Yes.
5. XTeam please. :p
If they'll let me play... :blush:

I'd like in. I was one of the unfortunates from FUBAR in SGOTM2. Will take a new team if they don't reform.

I'd like vanilla.
Good through Monarch.

Cheers,
B

Version: Either (Trash Team will decide together)
Level: Comfortable at Monarch, Uncomfortable at Emperor :eek:
GOTM: Nope
SGOTM: Nope
SG: Yes
Team : The Trash Team

Thanks to the organisers! :thumbsup:

Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?
Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
Do you have a group of players you want to play with?

1. I can play vanilla 1.61
2. I can beat Immortal AI pretty easily, struggle a little bit with diety
3. yes
4. no, this would be my first one
5. no, wherever, I'd like to make new friends

Hello.

1. I can play both. I'd prefer Warlords though.
2. I still get beat up on noble sometimes.
3. Nope.
4. No.
5. I don't know anyone, so no to this as well.

1. Both, want to try Warlords
2. Emperor
3. yup
4. yup
5. CFR if they take me on board again :)

Hurray! Sucession Games are why I joined the forum, I got totally sucked in by SOGOTM 1's start.

1) 1.61/Vanilla (Mac)
2) Prince/Monarch
3) just bought the game, but played the opennings of several GOTMs
4) not with a team, enjoyed the maps!
5) 5th Element, The Real Ms. Beyond's, Murky Water ... but only 'cause those are the threads I've read.

Count me in for Fifth Element, if we're going 'round again.
I've played a few Gotms, and was in SGOTM2. I can do Vanilla or Warlords, and usually play on Monarchish.

Hi'

I am new to this type of play, but would likr=e to learn more.

I can olny play vanilla at this time but Warlords is in the mail
I have been working at nobal

I also have trouble with the keyboard

As I was trying to post

I can play vanilla today and warlords is in the mail
I have been working at nobel
No
No
No

I know I don't havwe experience, but if a team is will to take a chance I would like to try
The only problem Ihave is that I will not be able to play after Dec 21st as I will e traveling and my laptop will not run CIV IV

Me! Me!
1. I can play both, I'll run it by the team as to which version first
2. Monarch
3. yes
4. yes
5. Team VQ

Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?

Vanillia might switch over to warlords if i can get it before the 1st

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
chief
Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?
not officially

Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
yes isamu

Do you have a group of players you want to play with?
not really

1. I can play both, but would prefer Warlords
2. Monarch
3. yes, but never submitted
4. yes
5. none at the moment, but would prefer to play with some people I've played with before

1. Warlords
2. Emperor+
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Fistful of Dynamite

1. Prefer Warlords but I guess it's a team decision.
2. Monarch, Emperor
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Memphis Blues

All teams must play the sponsored variant - awards will be given to teams who achieve Diplomatic or Space victories in the least turns.


Just to clarify: Are there separate awards for fastest diplomatic and fastest spacerace? (Otherwise everyone will presumably go diplomatic since it's possible to get a diplomatic win a lot faster than a spacerace win)

And are there separate awards for vanilla and warlords (otherwise there's a strong incentive for everyone to go vanilla due to the consensus that warlords with the 2.08 patch is harder)

1. Can only play vanilla
2. Monarch
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Memphis Blues unless the rest of the team decides to play Warlords?

The first post tries to make it clear that there are separate awards for Warlords and vanilla. There are not separate awards for space and diplo.

The only problem Ihave is that I will not be able to play after Dec 21st as I will e traveling and my laptop will not run CIV IV
There's no way this game will be finished in three weeks. Three months is typical for a SGOTM.

1. Only Vanilla
2. Prince/Monarch
3. No not [civ4] GOTMs
4. I have played a few SGOTMs and SGs
5. Team CDZ needs a lot of help... so I'll add to that need.

1- Doesn t matter but i prefer Warlords
2- Prince/Monarch
3- Yes
4- SGOTM 1, SGOTM 2
5- Fifth Element

1- Doesn t matter but i prefer Warlords
2- Prince/Monarch
3- Yes
4- Never
5- Dont have one

Would like to join SGOTM03

1. Vanilla 1.61 or warlords 2.08. Would prefer warlords
2. Monarch (still getting used to new AI on warlords) and have played emperor and won.
3. no
4. yes
5. Team VQ

1. Warlords is the preference
2. Immortal is OK
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. CFR; it might be CFR will try to field two teams.

1. Only Vanilla
2. Just moved up to emperor. monarch is dead easy but emperor is still difficult.
3. Yes
4. No:blush:
5. No preference.

I'm posting a Team input for Team Peanut :)

1.) We'll play in 2.08 Warlords
2.) I suspect we are comfortable between Monarch and Immortal.
3.) Yessss!!!
4.) Yessss!!!
5.) Team Peanut - firm commitment from civ_steve, ainwood, malekithe and Phabuk so far.

1) Either, but warlord's is still in the box, unopened :p
2) Emperor
3) yes
4) yes
5) Xteam

Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?
1. Either, no real preference
2. Monarch
3. Yes
4. Yes - SGOTM 2
5. Team One

1) only have 1.61
2) monarchish ability
3) yes
4) yes
5) Xteam

EDIT: 6) Windows based

Current Xteam signups are
leif
rrau
Bede
Gator

1. Version: prefer Warlords,can play Vanilla
2. Level: Prince to Emperor
3. played WOTM1 for fun
4. Am in several SG's
5. team-VQ

1. Would prefer Warlords, but either is possible
2. Monarchic
3. No
4. Yes
5. Team VQ

Either, but prefer Warlords 2.08
Monarch
No
Yes (see sig)
Any of the Magnificent 7 lot if they'll have me, otherwise I don't really mind.

1. either but prefer Warlords 2.08
2. Monarch
3. No
4. Yes
5. Fifth Element

I'll take a stab at this one.

1. either, prefers Warlords
2. win at Prince all the time, but it's a roll of the dice on Monarch
3. Uhmmm...yes
4. Yes
5. Mercenary for hire this time around

I'd like to try my hand at a SGOTM if there's a team that'll have me!

1) Either, been playing Warlords recently but no real preference
2) Comfortable at Prince, but I usually do fine at Monarch if I'm actually taking my time and paying attention (which of course I would in a SG)
3) Played and posted reports to a few GOTM's but haven't actually submitted any
4) Nope, no SG experience
5) None, Looking for some brave souls to take me into their fold

Another SGOTM will be great!

1> Either
2> Monarch/Emperor (haven't tried the new patch yet)
3>Yes
4>Yes
5>Short Straw

Either, but prefer Warlords 2.08
Monarch
No
Yes (see sig)
Any of the Magnificent 7 lot if they'll have me, otherwise I don't really mind.
If I read the runes correctly, the only Magnificent 7 player in SGOTM 2 is Grey Fox (in VQ Red). He hasn't shown up here yet, and the others played SGOTM 1 as Queen's Men, but didn't come back. Maybe you can talk them into a return match?

1. No preference, whatever my team picks
2. Monarch+
3. Yes, but it's been a while
4. Yes
5. Memphis Blues

Count me in!
1. only vanilla
2. Monarch
3. Yes, but it's been a while
4. Yes (SGOTM01 and 02)
5. Memphis Blues :goodjob:

1. Vanilla Only
2. Noble easily, haven't started any higher level games
3. Nope
4. A couple succession games, months ago.
5. Nope.

1. Vanilla 1.61 or Warlords 2.08
2. Monarch
3. No
4. No
5. Team CFR

@alan, please add sanabas to the X-Team roster, herewith updated

Current Xteam sign-ups are
leif
rrau
Bede
Gator
sanabas

Brief edit on my registration....

1-4: Same as before.
5: Trash Team.

1) Any
2) Any
3) Yep
4) Nope
5) XTeam

1- Either. I would vote for Warlords.
2- Monarch
3- Yes
4- SGOTM 1
5- Team One if they want me back.

@alan, please add A'AbarachAmadan to the X-Team roster, herewith updated ("herewith" sounds like something Bede would say :p )

Current Xteam sign-ups are
leif
rrau
Bede
Gator
sanabas
A'AbarachAmadan

1- Warlords only.
2- Monarch
3- No
4- SGOTM 2
5- CFR.

I have now added a listing in the third post in this thread that shows the player database for this game. This is the same database that drives the submissions, progress and results systems, so I need to get it right.

At this stage I need you all to check that I have included you, and that your preferences for team and game version are correct in the database. The teams are in no way finalised, and unassigned players are simply listed, but not yet assigned to any team.

Please let me know here or in a PM if there are any errors or omissions.

There's no way this game will be finished in three weeks. Three months is typical for a SGOTM.
Three months ... is that just a function of the time it takes to cycle the game among team members, or something else about the game (like the 17 adversaries)?

dV

This sounds interesting ... sign me up.

1. Version: 1.61 only (let me master this one first ...)
2. Level? You mean what I can win at? Noble always, prince most of the time. Monarch would be iffy.
3. Played GOTM 10 (got killed), 11 (won on adventurer) 12 (won on contender)
4. No prior succession games
5. No special group. What did Groucho say ... "I wouldn't join a club that would stoop to having me as a member" :lol:

Would not want to be the one mediocre player on a good team that holds them back. So I would be happy to be on a team of prince and below players who are otherwise unaligned.

That being said, if a team of good players wants an apprentice, I'd be happy to do that too. You can see what you are in for as I have posted in the GOTM 10 - 12 spoilers.

dV

AlanH, please move me to Trash Team?

Three months ... is that just a function of the time it takes to cycle the game among team members, or something else about the game (like the 17 adversaries)?

dV

Three months is how long it appears a game can last before the remaining teams that haven't finished the game yet tend to lose interest in the game.
SGOTM1 I believe lasted about 3 months from start to when awards were given and SGOTM2 was started. A couple teams didnt' finish in time, but went ahead and finished.

Basically, it is because a player is given a standard of 24 hours to pick up the save and 48 hours to play it and post the new save. This leads to an expected average time per turnset(turns a player plays until he uploads the new save) of about 3 days. Since most turnsets are 10 turns and an average Civ4 game is 300+ turns, that's 90 days right there. The length of a turnset is up to the team you end up on though, in the early game, turnsets are often 15-30 turns, and some teams do 15 turns throughout the game.

1. Vanilla 1.61 or warlords 2.08
2. Monarch
3. no
4. no
5. CFR :goodjob:

Hi! Privet!
1. Vanilla 1.61 or warlords 2.08
2. monarch
3. no
4. no
5. CFR

1. Either
2. Emperor
3. Played - yes, submitted - no :lol:
4. Not here
5. CFR promised to be nice to me :)

I'm in

1)1.61
2)Monarch
3)yes
4)yes
5)Gipsy Kings

1) Can play both but prefer 1.61/Vanilla
2) Monarch
3) Yes
4) Yes
5) CFR, may be we will divide by 2 teams: CFR-Vanilla and CFR-Warlords

1) Either
2) Monarch
3) Yes
4) Yes
5) CFR

1. Warlords
2. Monarch
3. No
4. No
5. CFR

@CFR: Please let me know asap how you intend to split. You have ten CFR sign-ups right now. Four of you prefer or want Warlords, Dynamic prefers Civ4 1.61, the other five can go either way.

@AlanH
it seems Fifth Element will team-up again ...
only Perugia (our captain) is missing, i hope he will join soon.

Fifth Element:
Blubmuz
BrianS
Doom Train
Merum
Sweetacshon

I coordinate, until Perugia joins (i hope).
We can communicate using our SGotM2 thread, and decide if go for vanilla or Warlords

That's what my team list shows. Fior some reason I had gustavoghe in there as well. Now corrected.

1.) Warlords only
2.) Never completed a warlords 2.08 game :confused:.
3.) Yes
4.) Yes
5.) No preference

Trash Team nowformed, playing Warlords 2.08:
Ambiorix
cabert
Cam_H
pigswill
steel.stiletto
Wilburn

Alan, upon further reflection, I'm changing my preference to Vanilla for this SGOTM

1. I prefer Warlords
2. Immortal
3. yes
4. yes
5. Team CFR again. :D

@CFR: Please let me know asap how you intend to split. You have ten CFR sign-ups right now. Four of you prefer or want Warlords, Dynamic prefers Civ4 1.61, the other five can go either way.

We'll tell you as soon as we figure it out ourselves. :lol: Hopefully that should happen before the game starts.

1. Either.
2. Monarch-
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Memphis Blues

1. Vanilla 1.61 only, as I don't have Warlords
2. Noble, as I have never completed a game at Monarch
3. Never played a Civ4 GOTM
4. Never played a SGOTM, played a few Civ3 SGs a few years ago
5. I'm playing with Team CDZ of course ! :goodjob:

Alan,

I seem to have gone MIA from your team list post. Can you add me in? Also, please change my game preference to Warlords only.

Thanks.

Moved from the Reference Thread

I have one unanswered question after reading the above ...

Does the team member playing the turnset play the turns in isolation from active discussion with the team, or is team consultation during the gameplay allowed?

The former would seem to make more sense. Each general knows the grand strategy, and even the key objectives, but is on their own in dealing with minute to minute tactical decisions.

If the latter is permitted, then in theory the game could end up being the play of one player, just executed on five or so machines.

(Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask)

dV

Please sign me up for SGOTM3!

Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?

Warlords or Vanilla...depending on the team decision

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?

Monarch

Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?

Yes

Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?

Yes

Do you have a group of players you want to play with?

Yes, team Short Straw.

CFR-1
Dynamic
Balbes (not registered yet)
Bair
Witan (not registered yet)
Unikum
Cat Behemoth
JCricket

CFR-2:
Akots
IL2T
Liar
Iohar
Lexad
Obormot

AlanH
Please rename of CFR teams before opening team threads: CFR_ + color of the line on SGOTM Progress page!

With trepidation, I would like to sign up for SGOTM3.

1. Currently playing only 1.61 Vanilla

2. Getting comfortable at Prince and slowly getting better at Monarch

3. Haven't played them well but played the last 3 or so GOTMs. Am just starting GOTM12.

4. No Succession games but daily followed all the team treads for SGOTM1 and SGOTM2.

5. No team preferences. Most all I have followed have super players and I can learn from all. I am an old guy so laughed when the geezers formed. I wouldn't mind being on an experienced team but also it might be fun and challenging to play and learn with some noobs like myself. I am playing to quote Alan: " to learn new skills in a friendly team competion." At my age I can't take myself too serious.

Dagnabit!

Does the team member playing the turnset play the turns in isolation from active discussion with the team, or is team consultation during the gameplay allowed?
This is up to the teams. A relatively inexperienced player may want more guidance than another, and one person's simple tactical decision is another's life or death struggle to avoid making a hash of the whole team's game.

Since this is, first and foremost, an attempt to provide a friendly competition where players can learn from each other, both within their teams and across the competition, I see no reason to restrict the way teams and individuals choose to operate. Team leaders *should* however, ensure that all members are aware of the ground rules in their teams.

(Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask)

I'll lock the Reference thread down. I don't want it to turn into a discussion thread. Otherwise it will become difficult for new players to assimilate everything in that thread. If any clarifications are needed as a result of discussions like this then they can be incorporated into the existing posts.

Please rename of CFR teams before opening team threads: CFR_ + color of the line on SGOTM Progress page!
What names would you suggest I should call some of those colors? "CFR_Sort-of-muddy-yellow" ... "CFR_Slightly-green-shade-of-gray"? :p

Seriously ...

There's a pretty little key to the right of the graph, and it seems to me that should be enough. I don't want to set a precedent where every team asks me to add their graph color to their name. There's quite a lot of work required to get 20 saves prepared and uploaded and 20 team threads opened on release day. I don't really want to have to change all 20 team names before I start.

In any case, since the colors are assigned in alphabetical order, adding the color name to your two team names could reverse their order. You could end up with CFR-Yellow having a green line, and CFR-Green having a Yellow line.

This is up to the teams. A relatively inexperienced player may want more guidance than another, and one person's simple tactical decision is another's life or death struggle to avoid making a hash of the whole team's game.
On further thought, this does make it easier for a lesser player to team with advanced ones and not feel so self-conscious. And perhaps such a team is not all generals: the occasional captain or major can benefit from checking in with headquarters.

dV

Some teams and players are able to work with less experienced players better than others. In general it is better not to have too wide a spread of experience in a team, but there are always exceptions.

Teams are complex creatures. A good team can do better any of the players could achieve alone. A bad one will do worse than any player could achieve alone.

Teams are complex creatures. A good team can do better any of the players could achieve alone. A bad one will do worse than any player could achieve alone.
An interesting observation ... Seems like success requires good communication, and pehaps a bit of ego control all around ...

dV

In any case, since the colors are assigned in alphabetical order, adding the color name to your two team names could reverse their order. You could end up with CFR-Yellow having a green line, and CFR-Green having a Yellow line.
Oops... resort alphabetical order... :crazyeye:
Then we may try fixed current order.
CFR-1 -> CFR-Orange
CFR-2 -> CFR-Yellow.

@da_Vinci: A LOT of ego control :D

@IL2T: It's your choice, but if a new team name is created that comes before CFR in the alphabet, CFR-orange will have a yellow line and CFR-yellow will have a green line :p

1. Vanilla or Warlords
2. Emperor-Immortal
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. CFR

Sign me up.

1.Currently only have access to Vanilla
2.Competent on Monarch
3.Yes
4.Yes
5. Chokonuts

I think CFR-1 and CFR-2 or CFR-V (Vanilla) and CFR-W (Warlords) will be enough. :)

AlanH, please name them exactly like Dynamic said:

CFR-V
Bair
Balbes (not registered yet)
Cat Behemoth
Dynamic
JCricket
Unikum
Witan

CFR-W:
Akots
IL2T
Iohar
Liar
Lexad
Obormot

I'd like to join

1. 2.08/Warlords
2. Monarch
3. played, never submitted
4. No
5. No

@slaze: Welcome to CFC and especially welcome to the SGOTM game.

I see your very first post is in one of the best games (SGOTM, in my opinion) here at CFC.

Again, welcome!

:wavey:

AlanH, please name them exactly like Dynamic said:

You are now CFR-V and CFR-W

@ AlanH: Is there a minimum and a maximum on team size? (Did I miss something hiding in plain sight?)

What mechanism/algorithm/philosophy do you use to place the unassigned into teams? Do the teams "draft" players? If the powers that be build teams, do you aim for skill matching or skill diversity?

dV

@ da Vinci: don't know the mechanism, but if an invitation works, we Gipsy Kings would like to have you on our side :)

@ AlanH: Is there a minimum and a maximum on team size? (Did I miss something hiding in plain sight?)
I hope to start teams with a minimum of six players, which I consider a good number. It gives everyone a reasonable rate of play, and allows for the possibility that RL might strike one or two before the game ends. If there's a significant number of players that are new to SGs/SGOTM I aim for seven or eight, assuming there could be a drop-out rate for other than RL issues.


What mechanism/algorithm/philosophy do you use to place the unassigned into teams? Do the teams "draft" players? If the powers that be build teams, do you aim for skill matching or skill diversity?
Not a lot of science goes into it, frankly. It's a lot of gut feel, guessing and hoping, and it's not something I claim any expertise at doing. But heck! Someone's got to do it :rolleyes:.

I've seen teams entirely made up of newbies weld together and perform superbly. And I've seen individual players who claimed emperor expertise fail totally to comprehend the skills necessary to work with others in a team at that level. In other words, team-working capability probably counts more than pure (claimed) skill level, but you can't assess those factors without a degree in psychology and a one hour interview for each candidate. Ain't gonna happen!

@Conquistador: That mechanism works as well as any, and probably better than most. And from my viewpoint, at least you can only blame yourselves if it goes pear-shaped :crazyeye:

@ da Vinci: don't know the mechanism, but if an invitation works, we Gipsy Kings would like to have you on our side :)
Sorry, we have first dibs. :nono: The XTeam is named after MAC OS X after all. :p

EDIT - OOops, sorry, thought you were inviting AlanH. :blush:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

:rotfl:

@leif: If you knew how few *turns* --- not games --- of Civ4 I've played you wouldn't be so keen to try to recruit me.

Well, has that ever mattered that much? :mischief:

In C-III SGOTM 01, how much more lost could we have been? :p

Its all in the company one keeps... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry, we have first dibs. :nono:
Ooooh ... for a moment there, I thought I was going to get a big fat contract courtesy of free agency! Then I woke up from that dream.

Negotiating with Conquistador_63 via PM (and my agent :lol: )

dV

Ooooh ... for a moment there, I thought I was going to get a big fat contract courtesy of free agency! Then I woke up from that dream.

Negotiating with Conquistador63 via PM (and my agent :lol: )

dV
If you'd like, we're always willing to negotiate. But then you'd have to put up with us... :rolleyes:

Good luck wherever you may end up. I think you'll do just fine. Its all in the attitude! :beer: :band: :high5:

The six names by Memphis Blues in AlanH's table in the third post look right. We'll be playing this one vanilla. Since there are six names in the list too, it looks like Memphis Blues is just about set to go?

1. 2.08/Warlords pref, can do either.
2. Emperor level in Vanilla
3. I think I played the first Civ4 GOTM but I can't recall...
4. Played a number of succession games, and in Civ3 SGOTM 8 & 9
5. Fistfull of Dynomite

AlanH, I signed up with preference for warlords but I'm shown with cyan color. My team are all going for warlords and I'd prefer not being thrown out :)

AlanH, I signed up with preference for warlords but I'm shown with cyan color. My team are all going for warlords and I'd prefer not being thrown out :)
Fixed. Thx.

I would like to play. I can do either Warlords or Vanilla and I think I'd prefer Warlords, but am fairly easy.
I usually play prince/monarch level singleplayer
I have played 3 or 4 GOTMs, and also the last SGOTM.
I don't mind who I play with

Long time lurker ready to give this a try.

1.61 Vanilla
Just moved up to monarch.
Once, but I died and didn't submit.
No.
No.

1. I prefer Warlords, but can do either.
2. Monarch
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Gypsy Kings

Alan,
Please add me to the Pioneer Knights roster. I've been invited, and decided to accept their invite.
Thanks.

1. Only vanilla please.
2. can win monarch with a good start
3. Played once, lost on emp.
4. no
5. no

List updated

AlanH, I would like to join Pioneer Knights as well.

1. I Can Play Vanilla
2. Not known, I just opened the box I got a year ago.:blush:
3. No. Just started a game.
4. No.
5. Any team with an experianced team captain would be preferable please.

1. can play either with no preference
2. Prince/monarch
3. yes
4. yes
5. CDZ

1. Vanilla only
2. I only play GOTM so whatever that means. Monarch is about right.
3. All of them, but I don't usually submit due to cpu issues primarily from laptop hibernation issues that would not apply here.
4. I've completed 3 sucession games, not a SGOTM
5. A larger team with more time between turnsets is preferrable. One of my GBs (The Duff Man) may be joining me as a pair he'll post his info later.

IMPORTANT:

Please can any Mac player who has signed up, or signs up before the game begins, please let me know. If there are no Mac players then we can use the standard HoF Mod for vanilla.

1. Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?

I prefer vanilla, but I have no problem with warlords. I'd just have to buy it first.

2. Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?

Chieftain :D
3. Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?

Yes.

4. Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?

Yes.

5. Do you have a group of players you want to play with?

Team CDZ.

@ da Vinci: don't know the mechanism, but if an invitation works, we Gipsy Kings would like to have you on our side :)
Please sign me up for Gipsy Kings (not Gypsy ...? is there a story there?). They made me an offer I could not refuse (both legs are in casts now :lol: )

(edit: "GIPSY is a highly interactive software system for the reduction and display of astronomical data." (from Google)
And the Gipsy Kings musical group, so I guess the "i" has precedent.)

I looked over the GK thread for SGOTM 2 and I think its a good fit. These threads are a great way for newcomers to SGOTM to get a sense of how the process works.

Now, my attorney is forcing me to post the following disclaimer:

"This player is sold AS IS, and no warranty, actual or implied, is made as to its skill, intelligence, competence, or suitability for any purpose whatsoever."

Doesn't this sound just like an EULA? :lol:

Looking forward to the game!

dV

I'll go with team "Team One" again.
Warlords, please.

TDK

IMPORTANT:

Please can any Mac player who has signed up, or signs up before the game begins, please let me know. If there are no Mac players then we can use the standard HoF Mod for vanilla.

I edited my signup post to include #6 as Window based. Thought it might be helpful.

Please post in this thread if you wish to join a team and take part in the competition. The information required to place you in a suitable team is as follows:-


Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?
Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
Do you have a group of players you want to play with?



1.- both, prefer Warlords
2.- Prince
3.- yes
4.- yes
5.- Short Straw!

Hi,

1.I can play both
2.Monarch
3.Yes
4.2 SGTOM'S I played
5.Pioneer Knights

I edited my signup post to include #6 as Window based. Thought it might be helpful.
Thanks. I think I knew that :p

I only need Mac players to identify themselves. Windows players will be catered for in any case, whatever version of the mod we use.

@LongLife: Welcome :wavey:

1. Since your post count is currently 'one', I don't think you played the previous SGOTMs in a team, which is the spirit of the question.

2. Have you discussed joining Pioneer Knights with the current team members?

OK you can count me in.

1. Prefer Vanilla (partly because I'm guessing further vanilla patches are less likely than warlords patches. I don't fancy trying to cope with an SGOTM and a future WOTM that require different patches).
2. Monarch-emperor
3. Yes.
4. No
5. Responding to an invite from Thrallia, so it'd be his team (Geezers)

It's my new nick.

I'll speak to the Pioneer Knights then

Team Lists - Current Database Status

The following live feed off the SGOTM 3 Player database reflects the sign-ups I have picked up so far. Please verify that I have included your sign-up, and shown your version preference correctly.

- I have made no attempt to allocate players, other than showing your preferred teams.

- Unallocated players are in three groups - 2.08 (Warlords), 1.16 (Vanilla), and Either. These are not real 'Teams' at this stage.


AlanH - I'm wondering when to expect the SGOTM3 team threads to be open for business. Our team (Short Straw) has checked completely in except for ungy. It would be great to get the strategy discussion going.

Would we have to formally decide that we are going for Warlords? It looks that way from the my and Danthor's preferences but we haven't told you anything "official" yet.

My apologies if these questions are answered in other places.

Alan, Dagnabbit has been invited, and I believe he accepted, to join Geezers.

AlanH - I'm wondering when to expect the SGOTM3 team threads to be open for business. Our team (Short Straw) has checked completely in except for ungy. It would be great to get the strategy discussion going.

Would we have to formally decide that we are going for Warlords? It looks that way from the my and Danthor's preferences but we haven't told you anything "official" yet.

My apologies if these questions are answered in other places.
I recommend you get ungy to comfirm here that he's involved in Short Straw.

I'll confirm the team allocations in the next few days. There are still people checking in, and we still have over a week before we begin. It would not really be fair to give threads to some teams before others have even been allocated.

In most cases the version teams are playing will be self evident. If there's a Red or Blue name in a team then that will dictate that they are playing Warlords or Vanilla respectively. Obviously there should not be teams with both :crazyeye: If there are both cyan and orange names then the majority preference will prevail. When the team lists are consolidated to allocate everyone, I'll include a column to specify the version for each team, and I'll post here to let you know it's happened. I'll then expect any issues to be raised and resolved before team threads are opened. That should happen at the weekend, or soon after.

Please note we used to open the team threads at the same time as the game starts. I'm already cutting some slack by opening them a few days early, so please don't push your luck! :hmm:

Alan, Dagnabbit has been invited, and I believe he accepted, to join Geezers.
I don't see his name in the list. If he hasn't already done so, please get him to sign up here.

I don't see his name in the list. If he hasn't already done so, please get him to sign up here.

Thrallia seems to have added an extra 'b'. The name should be Dagnabit and he has previously signed up here.

Thx. Missed that :) Done

Please note we used to open the team threads at the same time as the game starts. I'm already cutting some slack by opening them a few days early, so please don't push your luck! :hmm:

Sorry - didn't realize I was pushing my luck! :D


It would not really be fair to give threads to some teams before others have even been allocated.


At the risk of pushing my luck even further, can I make a suggestion that we discourage strategy discussions outside of team threads? There is a temptation in the absence of team threads to communicate with team members via email or PMs. Currently, I don't think this is against the rules (as I read them on the reference thread).

The problem with this, I think, is that after the game is over, we can't see some of the key strategy discussions of the teams who use this tactic. For me seeing these discussions from the top teams is one of the best parts of SGOTM.

Thanks for your responses to my previous post and of course thanks for your time and energy in administrating this competition. I'm sure I would have put away civ4 a long time ago if it weren't for you and the rest of the CFC staff.

Sorry, but I doubt if I could stop players communicating outside of the threads. Some have their own forums where they congregate, others have personal friendships build over time. I can encourage them to replicate their discussions in their threads, but I don't have omniscient powers to check that this is done, and I don't have infinite time and energy to devote to the task.

Joining ...

- No preference, played in 2 previous SGOTM of Civ4, and Team VQ.

1. can play both--last I think Short Straw was leaning warlords which would be my strong preference.

2. emperor but have not had a chance to play the new patch

3. yes

4. yes

5. Short Straw

Sorry, but I doubt if I could stop players communicating outside of the threads. Some have their own forums where they congregate, others have personal friendships build over time. I can encourage them to replicate their discussions in their threads, but I don't have omniscient powers to check that this is done, and I don't have infinite time and energy to devote to the task.

'nuf said. Thanks for indulging my questions.

Please sign me in to team Peanut

1. I have both, I think the team decided on Warlords
2. Prince/Monarch
3. yes
4. yes
5. Team Peanut

SGOTM 03 - Russian Diplomats and Cosmonauts

Sign up
The game will start on December 1st.

Please post in this thread if you wish to join a team and take part in the competition. The information required to place you in a suitable team is as follows:-

I would like to play.


Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference? 1.61/Vanilla please
Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game? monarch and emperor
Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before? i have played but never bothered to submit yet
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? no
Do you have a group of players you want to play with? not really i guess




I really really liked both reading and solo-playing SGOTM2. GREAT MAP!

IMPORTANT:Please can any Mac player who has signed up, or signs up before the game begins, please let me know.

I'm on a Mac and don't have Warlords ... sorry. If I'm the only one let me know and I'll either drop out or buy the expansion. (Is it out for Mac yet?) Don't want to create a hassel.

Also, edited my sign up post to change my difficultly level since people seem to be saying what they can regualrly win at ... not what they usually play at.

The problem is that Mac Civ4 (or Warlords) can not run the same HoF Mod as Windows, so I have to create a special cross-platform version of the mod for a team that includes Mac players. And since the cross-platform mod will not include the fixes for Civ4 bugs, we should therefore extend that mod to all vanilla teams so that we have a level playing field.

The Warlords version that's out for Mac is 2.00, so you can't play Warlords for this game, and it wouldn't make any difference.

@AlanH - Yipes! Well if its a case of everyone playing vanilla needing to download and install a new HOF version (plus you needing to code the beast), just to accomode me I'd rather not pick up that kind of karma! :religion:

I'm happy with my listing:) in the list

How does one play vanilla once you have warlords? Is it as simple as putting in the vanilla CD and then it just "knows" you want to play vanilla?

Go ahead and start up another team called

footballguys - With The Duff Man(either) culdeus (vanilla only) and DogFather (either)

More to be added later.

I can play both and prefer 2.08.
Prince/Monarch
Submitted one invalid GOTM.
SG: VQ06 - SGOTM: VQ RED - And I've been lurking around.
Team VQ

1-Both
2-emperor
3-no
4-yes
5-no

Go ahead and start up another team called

footballguys - With The Duff Man(either) culdeus (vanilla only) and DogFather (either)

More to be added later.
These are new players to SGOTM. I really need them to sign in themselves.

How does one play vanilla once you have warlords? Is it as simple as putting in the vanilla CD and then it just "knows" you want to play vanilla?
You just start the vanilla executable with the right CD/DVD in the drive.

1. I can play all versions, my preference is the one of my team (haven't checked yet :p)
2. Monarch
3. Some GotM's
4. SGotM 2
5. Would like to play in the Pioneer Knights!

I can play Vanilla or Warlords, no preference
Can play emporer, maybe one below
Yes I have played a couple of Civ4 GOTM games
Yes I have played succession games but not SGOTM
Yes, we will have a group of players....Group name FBG

1. Prefer warlords.
2. Emperor/Immortal.
3. Yes.
4. Yes.
5. I'll stick with Peanut.

1. Vanilla only
2. I only play GOTM so whatever that means. Monarch is about right.
3. All of them, but I don't usually submit due to cpu issues primarily from laptop hibernation issues that would not apply here.
4. I've completed 3 sucession games, not a SGOTM
5. A larger team with more time between turnsets is preferrable. One of my GBs (The Duff Man) may be joining me as a pair he'll post his info later.

Please include me in footballguys, the game formed by culdeus. I've played one succession game, but I've never played a GOTM. Vanilla only for me, thank you.

1. Can play both. No preference.
2. Monarch (possibly Emperor - crushed my last Monarch game)
3. Yes, it accounts for most of my Civ playing.
4. Yes.
5. Chokonuts.

Go ahead and start up another team called

footballguys - With The Duff Man(either) culdeus (vanilla only) and DogFather (either)

More to be added later.

Please include me in the footballguys game Culdeus has started. I have never played GOTM or SGOTM so I am expecting to learn a lot. Either will be fine.

Hi all.

I wish to join this game.
1. I use both games but at this time i would prefer Warlords.
2. Monarch is ok for me.
3. Yes, but without sending results.
4. No, i haven`t played any succession games or SGOTM before.
5. If CFR-W will not mind i would join them.

Thanks in advance.

Vanilla
Monarch
Yes
Yes
Chokonutz

Looks like it'll be Warlords then. :thumbsup:

Has anyone let Alan know that yet? :hmm:

Gator is no longer vanilla only.

Wanderer signing up for Pioneer Knights again, if they'll have me :-)

1..Both games, but prefer Warlords. I'll play whatever Pioneer Knights decides upon, as a group.
2..Monarch is tough for me, but I can lose gracefully on it :-)
3..Yes
4..Yes - CivIV-SGOTM2 most recently :-)
5.. Pioneer Knights

1. Warlords
2. Emperor
3. yes
4. yes
5. CFR-W

133 sign-ups to date. Still 15 down on SGOTM 2, but not bad.

I'll draft team lists later today, so if anyone else is planning to sign up, now would be a good time to do it. It would also be good to tell me now if I have your preferences for version and team wrong in the list in Post #3.

Sorry about the lateness; smurkz has asked me to join (look at my avatar for the reason why :D )
I'll only really be a lurker as I dont' have the time to play (I wasn't going to play until I was asked).

James

Sorry for late answer (hope it is not too late....)

1. Vanilla
2. Monarch
3. One GOTM submitted, several completed
4. No
5. No team (yet I hope).

First try at SGOTM, hope to enjoy it as much as I enjoy GOTM (thanks AlanH btw).

1. Vanila or Warlords
2. Monarh
3. no
4. no
5. CFR-V

Please include me in footballguys, the game formed by culdeus. I've played one succession game, but I've never played a GOTM. Vanilla only for me, thank you.

Please include me as well in the footballguys game started by culdeus. Thanks!
1. I can play either, I'm more familiar with vanilla
2. I'm most comfortable playing prince.
3. I played one Civ4 GOTM games before, but never submitted it.
4. I have not played any succession games or SGOTM before.
5. Please add me to the footballguys group culdeus has started.

Thanks!

nmnmnmnmnmnmnmn see later post

Please don't use this thread for discussions about the game. It is purely a sign-up thread, and sign-ups could get lost in other debates.

If there's a demand for a pre-game thread I'll open one, but in previous games this sort of discussion has taken place in the team threads when they are opened, keeping strategies private.

1. Either, no preference
2. Prince to Monarch
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Chokonuts

Looking at the team preferences we have currently:

- Gipsy Kings, Memphis Blues, Murky Waters look like Vanilla teams, but igelkott, Frederiksberg, cas prefer Warlords.

- Trash Team looks like a Warlords team with cabert preferring Vanilla.

I shall assume that these players are happy to fall in with their chosen teams' preferences unless I'm advised otherwise.

Alan, please put me down as a lurker for Team Smurkz.

@ AlanH

Fifth Element, after a poll in our SGotM2 thread, decided:

- we'll play Warlords (we think it's hardest than vanilla, but it's hardest for all)

- team formation:
Blubmuz
BrianS
Doom Train
Merum
Sweetacshon

- We are fine in 5, but if Perugia decides to join, we'll welcome him, or if you have some stray guy, feel free to ask, we can probably find room.
- We'll have no captain, i'll be the "spokesman"

133 sign-ups to date. Still 15 down on SGOTM 2, but not bad.

I'll draft team lists later today, so if anyone else is planning to sign up, now would be a good time to do it. It would also be good to tell me now if I have your preferences for version and team wrong in the list in Post #3.

What is the drop dead date and time for signups? I'm seeing if a multiplayer buddy of mine is interested in signing up, if it is not too late ... ?

dV

I'm assigning teams now, but there's no hard and fast rule, we accept sign-ups even after the game has started, though their choices rapidly become more limited as time goes on from now on.

I'm assigning teams now, but there's no hard and fast rule, we accept sign-ups even after the game has started, though their choices rapidly become more limited as time goes on from now on.
Good to know and glad to hear its flexible (within limits).

Thanks for the info, and for all the work you guys (and gals?) do for the rest of us!

dV

1. Which version(s) of the map can you play (1.61/Vanilla or 2.08/Warlords), and do you have any preference?
1.61 only
2. Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Prince
3. Have you played any Civ4 GOTM games before?
No
4. Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
No
5. Do you have a group of players you want to play with?
Gipsy Kings (da Vinci invited me)

133 sign-ups to date. Still 15 down on SGOTM 2, but not bad.

I'll draft team lists later today, so if anyone else is planning to sign up, now would be a good time to do it. It would also be good to tell me now if I have your preferences for version and team wrong in the list in Post #3.

Now at 140 signups. :) I'm waiting for replies to a few PMs I've sent out. So the draft team lists will now happen tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.

@AlanH: 1) Do we know yet if we will be needing the cross-platform mod for vanilla?

2) Indulge me if its already posted (search 200+ posts on dial-up? Ouch!), but are there separate laurels (and spoons) for Vanilla and Warlords? From the first post, and the Russian changes between the two, sounds like the play will be different enough to merit two sets.

Maybe put the answer in post 1 as well?

dV

C.Teams will compete for up to four awards for each version of the game - the Gold, Silver and Bronze Laurels for the fastest finishes, and the Wooden Spoons for the lowest scoring finisher. The number of awards in each game will depend on the number of teams.


From post #1 in this thread.

Never mind! :hammer2:

I will have to get my eyes examined! (but first, I need to get my head examined :lol: )

I saw the mention of laurels in the top in the "game" section, but missed the additional detail under notes (I had looked to see if it was in the first post, but did not look hard enough ... sorry! :blush: :worship: )

dV

@AlanH: 1) Do we know yet if we will be needing the cross-platform mod for vanilla?
There are only two sign-uup from Mac players as far as I can tell. Dojoboy has signed as a lurker, and has a PC that he can use if he decides to play a turn set. Puddleduck was worried about being the only Mac player, necessitating a new mod for all Windows vanilla players, and has very generously offered to stand down for this game.

So the vanilla game will be played with the standard HoF Mod, version 1.61.008, as featured in the latest GOTM, complete with its fixes for overflow hammers and so on.

Time constraints will prevent me from actively participating in this SGOTM. But I'd like to sign on as a dedicated lurker/potential alternate for Team Smurkz.

Smurkz are soon going to have more lurkers than players :hmm:

It is true, AlanH. We have only four active signups for the next game and will need to take on more players. I convinced our old players not to drop out completely due to time constraints, but to sign on as lurkers instead, and if their situations change they can go active again without the need for divine (i.e. mod) intervention. :)

It is true, AlanH. We have only four active signups for the next game and will need to take on more players. I convinced our old players not to drop out completely due to time constraints, but to sign on as lurkers instead, and if their situations change they can go active again without the need for divine (i.e. mod) intervention. :)
So there are "official" lurkers (the inactive reserve?) and "unofficial" lurkers (the spectators?)? Do official/assigned lurkers have the same viewing restrictions as players? Has there ever been an issue where a spectator reading various team threads posts something in a team thread that has spoiler information?

dV

So there are "official" lurkers (the inactive reserve?) and "unofficial" lurkers (the spectators?)? Do official/assigned lurkers have the same viewing restrictions as players? Has there ever been an issue where a spectator reading various team threads posts something in a team thread that has spoiler information?

dV
1. Signed up lurkers are subject to restrictions on viewing and posting as if they were playing. I've put brackets round their names fopr convenience currently, but as far as the database is concerned they'll be players when we begin.

2. Probably. If you are asking if I read every post in every thread? I do have a life, and it's now way too short to get that anal about this friendly competition.

2. Probably. If you are asking if I read every post in every thread? I do have a life, and it's now way too short to get that anal about this friendly competition.
Did not mean to suggest that you are not doing enough for all of us. I think I speak for everyone in our appreciation for your and the other mods' efforts :thanx: :worship: :trophy:

Only reason to raise it is might there be some automatic solution (read but not write priveledges in team threads for non-team, policy request for spectators to read but not post in team threads, etc.) that might help if this is a significant problem.

Clearly, there is no way it can be policed on a post-by-post basis.

dV

It hasn't been an issue. We do tend to rely on people's common sense - maybe that's naive, but it seems to have worked OK so far. In any case, if people were determined to undermine the honour code of the competition, there are a gazillion alternative ways to communicate without doing obvious things like posting in a team thread.

Please don't use this thread for discussions about the game. It is purely a sign-up thread, and sign-ups could get lost in other debates.
I strongly agree with what AlanH said. Can we please not use this as a pregame discussion thread. Wait for your own team threads and do the discussion there.

I've opened a Starting position discussion thread here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=193718), and moved the posts relating to culdeus' test save to it. Please take note of my requests re. the (mis)use of this thread.

I have rearranged the signed up players into 21 teams. Please review the revised list in post #3, and let me know, here or via PM, if there are any problems with these assignments. I'll add a Warlords/Vanilla version column to the list shortly, but the version for each team should be self-evident from the player color codes. [EDIT] I've added a Warlords (red)/Vanilla(blue) color code to the team names. There are eleven Warlords teams and ten Vanilla teams.

There are two new teams made up of groups of previously unassigned players. They have the provisional names 'New Vanilla' and 'New Warlords' for obvious reasons. These and any other teams may change names, but the team names must be frozen by this time next Monday.

The color coding of the teams reminds me of the results of a US election. :lol:

1. Vanilla Only
2. Monarch/Emperor
3. No
4. SGOTM 2
5. The Real Ms. Beyond

Though our team isn't set in stone, I'm hoping I can stir enough interest to reform an RB team.

You'd better hurry :eek: Also, we don't currently have any surplus players to make up your numbers if you fall short. In fact a few of the teams are lighter than I would ideally prefer.