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TheDuckOfFlanders Mar 31, 2002, 09:46 AM the time has come to set a time for our first turn chat.The president will present in the Cfc Chat room while playing his first ten turn's.(And our president is an op of that channel)
It is up to our president to set a good hour.Preferably a time when a lot of the member's are online.Our president is from European origin ,wich mean's that a later time (22h-23h or later) is to be advised.(yes Grey with all those American's on this board our timezone kinda suck's :( )
Everybody that wants to come is welcome.
I urge the leader's or deputy's to come ,as their input is preffered.
Civanator Mar 31, 2002, 11:46 AM so about what time would that be in -5 GMT?
Mr Spice Mar 31, 2002, 12:19 PM I think Duck already gave the time in GMT. :)
Pellaken Mar 31, 2002, 05:44 PM and this would be when? today? and what time in new york?
Pggar Mar 31, 2002, 08:11 PM Oh no pellaken discovered us here!! :eek: :D
I think ducky meant sometime around 22-23h gmt.
Am I right?
marshalljames Apr 01, 2002, 10:05 AM I put forward a motion if not already in place all times should be expressed as gmt.
Then if you are like me Eastern Seaboard,you -5 from the gmt to get your local start.So 22h gmt is 17hDst
To get your gmt rating right click on the time and go to timezones
TheDuckOfFlanders Apr 01, 2002, 01:49 PM The game was set to start today ,April 1 ,but due to the forum being down some time i hope we can still make it today.Time og play would be 23.00H Gmt+1 thus 22.00h Gmt if Greyfox can make that ,otherwise he'll have to propose another time.
Benjamin Miller Apr 01, 2002, 02:58 PM So around 5pm for the large number of us in EST? That sounds good to me, although that would put it during school time for those on the Pacific coast.
TheDuckOfFlanders Apr 02, 2002, 06:58 PM Next ten turn's are on 3 April ,i hope the president will post a time here that is appropiate for him ,otherwise take 22:00Gmt as direction.
eyrei Apr 02, 2002, 07:05 PM Can we move it to 5:30 EST please.
Grey Fox Apr 02, 2002, 10:27 PM Well I can play any time.
And 18-24+ GMT suits me pretty well.
Chieftess Apr 03, 2002, 01:44 AM Originally posted by Benjamin Miller
So around 5pm for the large number of us in EST? That sounds good to me, although that would put it during school time for those on the Pacific coast.
Not to mention military time is a bit unusual (and akward, unfamilar) for those of us living on the east coast.
TheDuckOfFlanders Apr 03, 2002, 02:01 AM And 18-24+ GMT suits me pretty well.
Great ,let's set the hour then on 23:00h Gmt.
Shaitan Apr 03, 2002, 03:12 AM Originally posted by Chieftess
Not to mention military time is a bit unusual (and akward, unfamilar) for those of us living on the east coast.
Sort of like the metric system, we Americans simply refuse to conform to the world standard ;)
Take the Greenwich Meridian Time (GMT) and subtract 5 hours to get your local 24-hour (military) time. For the times we're talking about here, subtract another 12 hours to find your PM time in Eastern Standard. So, just subtract 17 hours from 23 GMT to get 6 PM EST.
TheDuckOfFlanders Apr 03, 2002, 01:55 PM *bump* (only moderator's may bump)
Just to make sure that everybody knows when we play ,so that as much as possible person's are present.
Chieftess Apr 03, 2002, 02:08 PM So, is the chat in here, or in a chat room?
Cyc Apr 03, 2002, 02:16 PM it's the chat room link down below
TheDuckOfFlanders Apr 03, 2002, 04:11 PM We are playing right at this moment. :)
If you wana join the chat ,be quick...
Grey Fox Apr 03, 2002, 06:58 PM Here is the Log over the Chat session during todays game.
Happy Reading.
Chieftess Apr 03, 2002, 08:13 PM Originally posted by TheDuckOfFlanders
We are playing right at this moment. :)
If you wana join the chat ,be quick...
To make a long story short, it won't work.
The long story -
I have a daul boot OS, and on the good one, IE and Netscape won't work with the MS Dialup (I don't use MSN, AOL or anything - NS6 email works, though), but only Netscape 4.72 works with TCPMAN. So, I have to use the "Oracle chewed and spit out"-OS, of which IE does work... Oh well... (I'll try NS 6.0)...
disorganizer Apr 04, 2002, 01:46 AM would it be possible to start the chat 1/2 to 1h earlier the next time?
or am i the only gmt+1 citizen?
marshalljames Apr 04, 2002, 05:52 AM Where is this chat room????And how do you get in it??????????
disorganizer Apr 04, 2002, 05:58 AM standard civfanatics chatroom:
http://www.civfanatics.com/chat.shtml
Benjamin Miller Apr 04, 2002, 06:02 AM Originally posted by marshalljames
Where is this chat room????And how do you get in it??????????
You could try using an IRC client. And reading the instructions.
TheDuckOfFlanders Apr 04, 2002, 06:50 AM would it be possible to start the chat 1/2 to 1h earlier the next time?
or am i the only gmt+1 citizen?
au contraire.Both me and President greyfox live in the Gmt+1 timezone.I am from Belgium and Greyfox is from Sweden.
the reason we set this time so late is because the majority of the user's on this board are from American origin.When we play at 23:00h gmt (that's midnight in our timezone) ,the american's at the East coast are at 17:00h ,for a lot of them that is the end of shool or work hour's.
Afcourse ,we cant set the hour so that everybody can join the chat.The world is just to big for that. :(
disorganizer Apr 04, 2002, 08:24 AM thats what i thought why you did this. just that 00:00 is a bit late for weekdays for me.... but maybe on the weekends i can take part ;-)
Knight-Dragon Apr 04, 2002, 08:39 AM Originally posted by TheDuckOfFlanders
au contraire.Both me and President greyfox live in the Gmt+1 timezone.I am from Belgium and Greyfox is from Sweden.
the reason we set this time so late is because the majority of the user's on this board are from American origin.When we play at 23:00h gmt (that's midnight in our timezone) ,the american's at the East coast are at 17:00h ,for a lot of them that is the end of shool or work hour's.
Afcourse ,we cant set the hour so that everybody can join the chat.The world is just to big for that. :( Yeah, considering I am from Singapore. World's too big alright. :)
I trust you guys to make good decisions. Me, I'll simply play a small advisory role and roleplay some. ;) :D
Grey Fox Apr 05, 2002, 01:36 AM I must say that I won't be able to play tonight, as I'm going home for my birthday. I will probably be home so I can play the next one though on 7th of April.
I wish Eyrei (if he is still our Vice President) good luck and happy exploring!
eyrei Apr 05, 2002, 10:10 AM Originally posted by Grey Fox
I must say that I won't be able to play tonight, as I'm going home for my birthday. I will probably be home so I can play the next one though on 7th of April.
I wish Eyrei (if he is still our Vice President) good luck and happy exploring!
I have been here all morning, and I just now noticed that I am playing tonight. Anyway, the chat will have to be at 6 PM EST or later. If noone says otherwise, it will be at six. Sorry for the inconvenience to those who wanted it to be earlier, but my roommate needs the internet in the afternoons on most days to do his job.
Also, because I am not nearly as skilled with creating pretty screen shots ( I also don't have decent software) as Grey Fox, I will simply post the save game when I am done, and someone, hopefully The Duck of Flanders (since he can edit my post) can post the screenshot.
Does anybody know if a problem will be caused because I do not have the graphics mod Grey Fox uses.
Pggar Apr 05, 2002, 04:26 PM No problems will be caused because of graphic mods.
At least I never heard of anything like this happening.
Benjamin Miller Apr 05, 2002, 07:22 PM Here's the log for this chat session. It took two hours, but we discovered the Romans, the United States, the Aztecs, the Babylonians and the Greeks. We also founded two cities.
TheDuckOfFlanders Apr 07, 2002, 10:38 AM Ok ,it's sunday now again.Greyfox ,can you give us a message when you want to play?
I propose 22:00h Gmt or even a bit earlier.It's not a working day today so a lot of the American's may have a day at home.
eyrei Apr 07, 2002, 03:00 PM I am hoping Grey Fox will be back in time to play the game this session, but if he is not, I will be available to play at 7 PM EST.
disorganizer Apr 07, 2002, 03:06 PM could you please post this also as gmt-time (as this is the boards time)?
Shaitan Apr 08, 2002, 04:04 AM Did anyone get a transcript of the turn?
disorganizer Apr 09, 2002, 02:06 PM is there a turn-chat today?
eyrei Apr 09, 2002, 02:22 PM Originally posted by disorganizer
is there a turn-chat today?
Should be. Again, I hope Grey Fox will make it.
If not, I would be available around 6PM EST or 11PM GMT.
Grey Fox Apr 09, 2002, 03:46 PM The game is going to start in 1-2 hours.
Sometime near, 22-23:00 GMT
See you there.
rangers85 Apr 09, 2002, 08:27 PM Here is the log from today's chat.
TheDuckOfFlanders Apr 10, 2002, 06:32 PM Ah ,turn day again. :crazyeye:
Well i have been away from the board for 2 ,so i missed the last turn chat ,but i will attend the one today for an hour.
So greyfox ,22-23h Gmt as usual?
Grey Fox Apr 10, 2002, 06:34 PM Yep.
eyrei Apr 11, 2002, 12:28 PM I will not be attending the turn chat tonight, on the account of beer. marshalljames is my deputy, but I am not sure if he is available at that time. I appoint Immortal as a temporary deputy if this is the case, as he is usually there anyway, though it looks as though he may be a governor soon. My decisions on build queues are posted in Donsig's thread, though I would not mind if someone started a poll of the citizenry to override any of these. In fact, if anyone other than Donsig believes we should build a spearman in Civinator, please post a poll, as if there are two, there may be many. If I did not mention a cities build queue, I probably intend for it to remain on what it is currently building. Once PDX finishes its barracks, it should definately build units, the type being up to the military department.
TheDuckOfFlanders Apr 11, 2002, 05:19 PM This game is being played at this very moment.People join the chat now. :)
Shaitan Apr 13, 2002, 04:25 PM The position of Undersecretary of Foreign Affairs is now held by Immortal. Immortal is an official chat presence for the Department of Foreign Affairs. In the even that Shaitan or Benjamin Miller are not attending a turn chat, (which is unfortunately the norm) Immortal is the official voice of the Department.
eyrei Apr 14, 2002, 02:06 PM I will not be able to participate in the turn chat today, due to a rare oppurtunity to play D&D. Since Immortal is not the Foreign Affairs departments rep, I would like to ask Skilord to act in this respect for the domestic department.
Right now the poll to decide what to do with the settler Eyr just built is tied. If it remains so when the chat starts, that settler should go to the SE, to whichever position the Egyptian settler does not take. If, for some reason, the Egyptians are not settling near there, I will leave the decision up to the president.\
Good luck! And remember, "Give Peace a Chance!"
SKILORD Apr 14, 2002, 02:24 PM can't blame you eyrei D&D is quite fun.
assuming i can be there i'll represent the domestic department as well as i can.
SKILORD Apr 14, 2002, 03:06 PM btw.... when is the turn Chat today?
eyrei Apr 15, 2002, 09:13 AM I hear the Chain of Command broke down in the last turn. I wish I could have made it, but I was imprisoned by a strange race of bidepal roaches:crazyeye: . I do not think it was any huge loss that only one turn was played, as this is a critical time for Phoenatica. However, Shaitan has proposed some changes to extend the chain of command that should keep this from happening again.
Grey Fox Apr 15, 2002, 02:13 PM The next Turn Chat will take place April 16th at 23:30 GMT.
I hope my Internet Connection won't be crappy then. Or something personal get's in the way like last time.
Zur Apr 16, 2002, 06:00 PM Is anyone at all online at the moment? Need help urgently! I am having severe problems entering turn chat either using mIRC or the Civfanatics site. Could be proxy problem?
Zur
donsig Apr 16, 2002, 06:13 PM There are nine of us in the chat room right now.
Zur Apr 16, 2002, 06:15 PM 1. how long will the chat last?
2. how to enter chat???!
Zur
Grey Fox Apr 18, 2002, 03:43 AM The next Turn Chat will take place April 18th at 23:30 GMT.
eyrei Apr 18, 2002, 10:36 AM I will not be attending the turn chat tonight. My representative chain of command will be:
marshalljames
Skilord
disorganizer
donsig
I hope one of them can make it.
Cyc Apr 18, 2002, 02:09 PM The DOC may not be represented at today's chat session, as Justus II won't be able to attend because of work and i have to run over to the next county for a while. I will try to make it back in time.
eyrei Apr 19, 2002, 09:24 AM I suggest the next turn chat only play enough turns to take a shot at Washington and Houston, and then stop. Someone should then explore the possible peace treaty conditions with America, and post them so we can discuss and vote.
Grey Fox Apr 19, 2002, 02:22 PM The next Turn Chat will be at 23:30 GMT as ususal.
April 20th.
ssmith619 Apr 19, 2002, 02:55 PM The DOC will be represented :D
Grey Fox Apr 19, 2002, 11:41 PM I might not be able to be there for the next turn-chat though...
ssmith619 Apr 20, 2002, 06:56 AM Originally posted by Grey Fox
I might not be able to be there for the next turn-chat though...
How does that work, if the President is not going to be there? Does the Vice President control the game, or does no game take place and we just discuss what we're going to do?:confused:
eyrei Apr 20, 2002, 08:25 AM Originally posted by ssmith619
How does that work, if the President is not going to be there? Does the Vice President control the game, or does no game take place and we just discuss what we're going to do?:confused:
Normally the VP would play the game, but I will probably not be able to attend either. The chain of command is in the constitution. I believe, after me comes Charis, but he usually cannot make the chats. So, on down the chain until one of the cabinet members or deputies can play. If none of the deputies can play either, the game will have to be postponed.
Grey Fox Apr 21, 2002, 09:55 PM Nest chat will be the 22th at 23:30 GMT as usual.
eyrei Apr 22, 2002, 07:27 AM I will be unable to attend the turn chat tonight, as I will be moving into another apartment. This should be the last one I miss for awhile.
Civanator Apr 22, 2002, 02:31 PM Originally posted by Grey Fox
Nest chat will be the 22th at 23:30 GMT as usual.
What time -5 GMT would that be?
eyrei Apr 22, 2002, 02:33 PM 6:30 EST.
Civanator Apr 22, 2002, 02:35 PM Thanx
Grey Fox Apr 22, 2002, 02:45 PM I have to go to bed early, so I won't be able to make it to the chat tonight... sorry!
Shaitan Apr 22, 2002, 02:49 PM That's the Pres, Vice Pres, Domestic Leader and Foreign Leader (me) all unable to play. Since a majority of the cabinet has already approved the new Chain of Command (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20918) I'd recommend using that to determine who plays.
Falcon02 Apr 22, 2002, 02:53 PM I can't attend either :(
too busy, with homework.
SKILORD Apr 22, 2002, 02:53 PM I can't make it ....
Cyc Apr 22, 2002, 04:44 PM And I have a class so I'm going to be late. Cya!
donsig Apr 22, 2002, 10:26 PM Turn chat was a bust once again.
Perhaps 11:30 GMT is not the best time to be holding the turn chat. I humbly suggest that if there is another time slot that allows more government officials to attend the turn chat then it should be used.
Another procedural question raised its head as we tried to breathe life into tonight's turn chat:
Does there have to be a minimum number of government offials present at the turn chat in order for the game to proceed? What if there is only one link in the CoC present?
disorganizer Apr 23, 2002, 02:01 AM maybe the government should look over the census data and choose a timezone apropriate for most of the government members. i noticed except for the president and one deputy military leader, all officials live in NALA, so GMT as chat-timezone is propably the worst choice... the bad thing about this will propably be that the pres will not be able to attend the chats
eyrei Apr 23, 2002, 07:02 AM Originally posted by disorganizer
maybe the government should look over the census data and choose a timezone apropriate for most of the government members. i noticed except for the president and one deputy military leader, all officials live in NALA, so GMT as chat-timezone is propably the worst choice... the bad thing about this will propably be that the pres will not be able to attend the chats
The current chat time is normally good for me. I can not think of another time that would allow me to make it significantly more often.
I would say that if there are at least 2 leaders or deputies at a turn chat, and one of the people there feels comfortable that they have enough information to play the turn, that they go ahead and play it. By no means are they required to play.
SKILORD Apr 23, 2002, 08:08 AM could we try mayne an hour earlier tommorrow?
(can't make it otherwise)
Shaitan Apr 23, 2002, 09:04 AM Originally posted by eyrei
The current chat time is normally good for me. I can not think of another time that would allow me to make it significantly more often.
I would say that if there are at least 2 leaders or deputies at a turn chat, and one of the people there feels comfortable that they have enough information to play the turn, that they go ahead and play it. By no means are they required to play.
I disagree with this, Eyrei. There isn't any requirement for leaders or deputies to be present. There was in the original Chain of Command but the new one goes clear down to appointed officials. We could consider new legislation that states a minimum number of eligible players must be present in order to play but as it stands 1 appointed official in the chat has the authority to play the game.
Shaitan Apr 23, 2002, 09:21 AM Originally posted by disorganizer
maybe the government should look over the census data and choose a timezone apropriate for most of the government members. i noticed except for the president and one deputy military leader, all officials live in NALA, so GMT as chat-timezone is propably the worst choice... the bad thing about this will propably be that the pres will not be able to attend the chats
The only time I could regularly attend would be 4AM EST (9:00 GMT). That's fairly inconvenient for everybody else, I believe.
SKILORD Apr 23, 2002, 11:21 AM i could make that shaitan.
eyrei Apr 23, 2002, 11:30 AM Originally posted by SKILORD
i could make that shaitan.
You two have strange hours.:eek: I haven't kept hours like that since college. I would be able to make about the same number of chats as long as the start time stays between 6PM EST and 10 PM EST.
Shaitan Apr 23, 2002, 12:46 PM I posted a poll here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21024) to see if we can get an overall feel of what the best start time would be.
Grey Fox Apr 23, 2002, 05:09 PM The next turn chat will be tomorrow 24th of April. At 23:00 GMT.
Cyc Apr 24, 2002, 09:24 AM I dunno, Mr. President. I may be at the Mortal Immortal at this time...
eyrei Apr 24, 2002, 09:30 AM Originally posted by Cyc
I dunno, Mr. President. I may be at the Mortal Immortal at this time...
As will I.
(actually, I will be at home cursing Bellsouth for taking an entire week to hook up my phone line, which obviously leaves me without internet access. I have logged a complaint, and hopefully it will get hooked up sooner, but if not, I will be unable to attend turn chats until Monday. I tried to explain to them that I need the phone quickly as I am an advisor to the president, but they just acted strangely, and told me they would do what they could. One month from Monday, I will be getting Roadrunner, though:cool: )
disorganizer Apr 24, 2002, 09:39 AM should have told them you are the vice president... who in usa know their vice president?
eyrei Apr 26, 2002, 12:46 PM I strongly suggest that the turn chat be postponed until tomorrow due to the forum being down until 2:30 this afternoon. There are some important polls that needed to be posted this morning, and these need to be voted on.
Cyc Apr 26, 2002, 04:01 PM I'll second that. So 2300GMT on the 27th?
donsig Apr 26, 2002, 04:02 PM I second the postponement.
chiefpaco Apr 28, 2002, 12:55 PM So, the next turn chat is, when?
Grey Fox Apr 28, 2002, 01:13 PM I'm sorry to post this so late, but I havn't got time before.
If enough cabinet members can come, we will play tinight at 23:00GMT.
Otherwise, we'll play tomorrow.
Grey Fox Apr 30, 2002, 09:32 AM I apologize again to be late with this... *sigh*.
But I fell asleep early yesterday (a Miracle, isn't it...).
The next turn chat will be tonight (30th) at about 23:30 GMT.
donsig Apr 30, 2002, 04:18 PM Section I: Turn Mechanics
Point 1: The President will post the time and date for the next turn chat at least 24 hours before the chat starts. This should be in GMT and posted in the chat thread. A specific start time is required.
eyrei Apr 30, 2002, 04:25 PM The chat has been postponed at least until tomorrow (5/1), though I strongly urge that we take a day after the elections to make sure everything is organized. I suggest the next chat be on 5/2.
The chat was postpone because Grey Fox could not play, and noone else on the COC until Skilord (who is after the deputies) could play either. There is a lot going on, and it would be best if we waited.
Strider May 01, 2002, 03:23 PM eyrei
I strongly urge that we take a day after the elections to make sure everything is organized. I suggest the next chat be on 5/2.
I agree with eyrei...For the same reason he has plus I wont be able to make it tonight if we do have it 5/1
Grey Fox May 01, 2002, 04:33 PM As Eyrei said, the next turn chat is to be played the 2nd of May, at 23:30 GMT or 24 GMT
donsig May 02, 2002, 03:49 PM I will not be attending this turn chat as I will be holding a candlelight vigil for our lost citizens.
donsig
Deputy Domestic Leader
Grey Fox May 04, 2002, 10:46 AM We were supposed to play tonight, but I can't, so I suggest that we postpone the chat to tomorrow instead.
So the 5th? At the normal time.
Chieftess May 04, 2002, 12:21 PM Sounds good to me. I have someone in mind for Trade Deputy/Chat Rep., so I'll tell them about it. It will also give me time to PM you my trade, bonus and strategic resource assessment, as well as an assessment on global trading partners.
Shaitan May 04, 2002, 01:20 PM Originally posted by Chieftess
Sounds good to me. I have someone in mind for Trade Deputy/Chat Rep., so I'll tell them about it. It will also give me time to PM you my trade, bonus and strategic resource assessment, as well as an assessment on global trading partners.
Chieftess, it's best to post these in the Presidential thread (instructions) and your own thread (statistics/info). The citizens (and Council) all depend on this information.
Chieftess May 04, 2002, 10:02 PM Just to be sure, when's the usual time for the chats?
Cyc May 05, 2002, 09:04 AM Chieftess, lately it's been around 1830 EST (630pm) on the east coast. But it varies way to much to have a "normal" time.
Grey Fox May 05, 2002, 09:07 AM Around 23:30-24:00 GMT is the normal time.
Zur May 05, 2002, 09:47 AM Around 23:30-24:00 GMT is the normal time.
Just to double check this is 2330 5th May, not 6th May right? I would be able to make 6th May but may or may not make it for 5th May. I will be representing the Trade Department if I do turn up.
Grey Fox May 05, 2002, 08:14 PM Next game will be at the normal time the 7th.
Shaitan May 09, 2002, 06:21 AM Is there a turn tonight? (May 9)
donsig May 09, 2002, 06:49 AM Well, it wasn't posted 24 hours in advance if there is...
Grey Fox May 09, 2002, 08:37 AM Then we will have to play the game the 10th (if it's that important). At the Normal time (can be found in above posts).
chiefpaco May 09, 2002, 10:12 AM I don't like the 24 hour rule at all. I feel it is very inflexible & requires a tedious post every other day by the president to have to warn us early, while the president is trying to worry about other things.
How about these ideas:
- 10 hour rule. The president may announce the morning of. Maybe by 1200h GMT. This may be good if the President will be able to know if he/she is available that night.
- President releases a schedule every Sunday for the schedule of the week.
- We just play every other day - whoever shows up, gets to play.
Shaitan May 09, 2002, 10:51 AM I think 10 hours is adequate warning. Schedules never seem to work for one reason or another.
Cyc May 09, 2002, 12:13 PM We are unable to get exact times with the 24 hr posting any way. Of your 3 choices chief, I like the last one best. Unless we're going to move the games to be played on the weekends, then a standard every other day at a specific time that doesn't change (except when necessary - like someone flew a plane into the wtc) would be best. We should make it dependable so people could rely on it continually.
Grey Fox May 11, 2002, 03:46 PM Next Turn chat: 12/5
Time: 24:00 GMT
Cyc May 11, 2002, 05:31 PM Thank you, Grey Fox.
Justus II May 11, 2002, 09:08 PM I will not be able to attend , most likely, have family in town this weekend. I will try to arrange for my deputy or chat rep to attend.
Plexus May 11, 2002, 10:11 PM Eeeh, Mother's Day. I may not be able to attend.
donsig May 12, 2002, 07:41 AM Originally posted by Shaitan:
I think 10 hours is adequate warning. Schedules never seem to work for one reason or another.
Didn't you write that part in the constitution about the 24 hour notice? Didn't the cabinet approve it? You all need to stick by the rule or change the constitution again.
Chiefpaco and Cyc are now suggesting what I suggested before the constitution was amended with the 24 hour rule:
Post a regular schedule ahead of time - every other day at whatever time GMT and whoever can make it from the CoC plays. If no one shows no one plays.
Chieftess May 12, 2002, 12:13 PM Most likely, I'll be able to attend. My family and I are going to my granmother's for Mother's Day, but we should be home before the chat starts. If not, I'll leave a message of what to do in the chat instructions page just in case.
It's 6:00/6:30 EST, my time, (the chat) so, we might be home by then. I can see where people on the west coast, or in mountain/central time zone might not be able to make it.
Shaitan May 13, 2002, 08:14 AM Originally posted by donsig
Didn't you write that part in the constitution about the 24 hour notice? Didn't the cabinet approve it? You all need to stick by the rule or change the constitution again.[/B]
Yes. Yes. I agree.
Everybody thought it was a good idea at the time. It has since proven to not work like we had thought. If a 24 hour notice isn't maintainable then a 7 day notice certainly won't be, that's why I'll be championing chiefpaco's 10 hour idea.
Cyc May 13, 2002, 10:31 AM Whoa! again Shaitan. Slow down here. I think we're going the wrong way. You're saying a 24 hour plan didn't work, so let's make it a 10 hour plan? No, I think that's too long still. Let's make it a 1 hour notice. that way when people see it they'll know to be there in 1 hour. Good plan, no? :rolleyes:
Making the notice time shorter will not help. The only thing it will do is reduce the amount of attendees at each chat. We need to implement a regularly scheduled program.
Shaitan May 13, 2002, 11:43 AM Let's see what we can work out. I started a poll and discussion thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22493).
Grey Fox May 14, 2002, 12:30 AM As I wasn't home yesterday evening, and I didn't come home until early this morning (or right now...), I couldn't post this any earlier.
If we are allowed to play (even though I posted late), I would like us to play tonight at the regular time.
Which would mean, today the 14th at 24:00 GMT.
Cyc May 14, 2002, 12:47 AM Thank you Grey Fox.
donsig May 14, 2002, 11:34 AM Originally posted by Grey Fox
As I wasn't home yesterday evening, and I didn't come home until early this morning (or right now...), I couldn't post this any earlier.
If we are allowed to play (even though I posted late), I would like us to play tonight at the regular time.
Which would mean, today the 14th at 24:00 GMT.
I for one feel we must follow the rules even the bad ones. I think it is now apparent that the 24 hour notice rule change has resulted in a bad change. Unfortunately every time something comes up we rush to change the rules. If we live with the changes we make then perhaps we will be a bit more careful in the changes we make.
A suggestion: Shaitan's poll (there is a link in his earlier post) shows that a regular schedule is favored. Grey Fox why don't you write up a cabinet vote on the schedule and include an emergency amendment for playing tonight? I know it is short notice but if you can get five cabinet votes out of the eight possible wouldn't the measure carry?
Shaitan May 14, 2002, 11:51 AM Originally posted by donsig
A suggestion: Shaitan's poll (there is a link in his earlier post) shows that a regular schedule is favored. Grey Fox why don't you write up a cabinet vote on the schedule and include an emergency amendment for playing tonight? I know it is short notice but if you can get five cabinet votes out of the eight possible wouldn't the measure carry?
No, currently we need all Cabinet Members to respond or 48 hours to lapse. (This is one of the items changed in the Constitutional Amendment Proposal).
Grey Fox May 14, 2002, 11:58 AM Originally posted by Shaitan
No, currently we need all Cabinet Members to respond or 48 hours to lapse. (This is one of the items changed in the Constitutional Amendment Proposal).
I agree, and we can't play tonight because of the 24h rule.
So We'll play tomorrow, the 15th at 24:00 GMT.
Should we have a Cabinet Vote on the 24h rule matter? If so, could you make it Shaitan?
donsig May 14, 2002, 12:00 PM Originally posted by Shaitan
No, currently we need all Cabinet Members to respond or 48 hours to lapse. (This is one of the items changed in the Constitutional Amendment Proposal).
Then I don't see how we can have a constitutionally valid turn chat tonight.
Anyone else see a way through this? (Short of ignoring the constitution because it is inconvenient.)
Shaitan May 14, 2002, 12:11 PM Originally posted by Grey Fox
Should we have a Cabinet Vote on the 24h rule matter? If so, could you make it Shaitan?
Got it, boss. First step of the Proposed Amendment is posted here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22554).
Grey Fox May 16, 2002, 03:29 PM Next turn chat will be played tomorrow (17th) at 24:00 GMT.
Grey Fox May 17, 2002, 12:00 PM I'm so so Sorry, but for the 4th TurnChat in a row, I won't be able to attend it (I did attend the last one, but because of some technical reasons I got disconnected and couldn't connect again).
The reason for tonight is because I will be working on our movie. Our final project for my class in 'Video Techonology'
I don't think I have time to be the President any longer, the final Projects of all my classes must be completed soon, and I don't have the time.
Shaitan May 18, 2002, 08:04 PM GreyFox, are you thinking of resigning?
Grey Fox May 19, 2002, 04:49 AM Originally posted by Shaitan
GreyFox, are you thinking of resigning?
Actually, Yes. I was going to write an official statement, but I havn't had the time.
I suggest the Vice President takes over for me Immediatelly.
Falcon02 May 19, 2002, 11:20 AM Sad to hear it Gray Fox, however I understand. Finals in college and regularly staying up past midnight your time can be near impossible.
We shall miss your leadership. :cry:
But, you'll still give your voice as a citizen... right?
Grey Fox May 19, 2002, 11:23 AM Originally posted by Falcon02
But, you'll still give your voice as a citizen... right?
Yes I will try and keep up with the game as much as possible.
disorganizer May 19, 2002, 01:28 PM just dont forget to update the registry-post of yours.
hope we have you back sometime in the future after you finished your work.
thanks for your great work as president!
disorganizer May 19, 2002, 02:12 PM since we do not have a president and obviously the vice-president is not able to access internet over the weekend and the constitution requires us to post the chat-schedule on sundays and no schedule was yet posted, with the authorization of GreyFox i will now post a emergency schedule, because otherwise we would have no turn chat at all the next week!
The turn chat (http://www.civfanatics.com/chat_demogame.shtml) schedule for week 21 is:
23:59 GMT on wednesday and sunday
If the VicePres or the next President will change this schedule till tonight, 23:59 GMT, then their schedule will be effective for next week (week 21).
If not, their schedule will be effective the week after (week 22). If they dont post a schedule, this schedule will continue to be effective!
The absence of a president or vice-president does not effect the chat, as the chain of command takes over the game.
Since the turn chat tonight was not scheduled in time (24h advance):
The next turn chat will be on wednesday, may 22nd at 23:59 GMT!
Cyc May 19, 2002, 04:58 PM Thank you Dis. Sorry to see you go, Grey Fox.
eyrei May 20, 2002, 06:27 AM This is sad news indeed. I wish Grey Fox the best of luck on his final projects. I am not sure I am the best choice for president right now, as, like disorganizer said, I do not have internet access from home. During the week, I can post from work, but I cannot actually play the game from there. I am not sure what to do about this. It could be some time before we get my computer fixed (it seems my friend cooked my modem when he installed the new motherboard, or at least that is our best guess), probably about 2 weeks, barring a miracle, when my new roommate moves in with his DSL line. I would suggest we either hold an emergency election, or move one department down the COC to choose the new president. I would love to take over the president position, but it is just not possible right now.
donsig Jun 02, 2002, 12:54 PM The turn chat schedule for the coming week is:
Wednesday, June 5, 2002 at 23:59 GMT (6:59 pm eastern US time).
Sunday, June 9, 2002 at 23:59 GMT (6:59 pm eastern US time).
Chieftess and I agreed that the schedule used for the last two weeks has worked well so we see no point in changing it.
I will not be able to play on Wednesday so the VP will play if she is available.:)
donsig Jun 10, 2002, 10:56 AM Since I neglected to post a turn chat schedule yesterday we must use the one from last week. Therefore the turn chats will be held on Wednesday (June 12) and Sunday (June 16). The time will be the same: 1159 pm Greenwich time which is 6:59 pm east coast US time.
Turn chat 1315 AD (June 12) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24529)
donsig Jun 16, 2002, 03:32 PM The turn chat schedule for the coming week is:
Tuesday, June 18, 2002 at 7:59 pm eastern US time which is Wednesday, June 19, 2002 at 12:59 am Greenwich time.
Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 7:59 pm eastern US time which is Friday, June 21, 2002 at 12:59 am Greenwich time.
Sunday, June 22, 2002 at 2:59 pm eastern US time which is Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 7:59 pm Greenwich time.
EDIT: Sunday is June 23 not June 22. Sorry.
Tonight's chat will most likely end after 4 turns when we discover scientific method. The next chat (Tuesday) may well end when we get universal suffrage in 3 or 4 turns. Hopefully the Thursday and Sunday chats will be 10 turns.
chiefpaco Jun 17, 2002, 10:11 AM I don't really like 48 hour turnaround, no matter how many turns we play. If I miss getting out a proposal right away, there will be absolutely no time to get one out for the next round, much less if controversy comes of it. I don't mind being MIA for only 4 or 5 turns (not a big deal) but I wouldn't want it being regular practice.
donsig Jun 17, 2002, 11:25 AM Thusday to Sunday is three days. We may have to get used to only playing a few turns. If we get drawn into the war things may slow down even more. :(
On the bright side, with only four turns last night and four on Tuesday, not many agreements will have expired. The main thing we need from FA now is guidance on our relations with the belligerants.
donsig Jun 23, 2002, 08:23 PM Well it's still Sunday here so I'm posting next week's turn chat schedule:
Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 6:59 pm eastern US time, which is 11:59 pm Greenwich time.
Saturday, June 29, 2002, at 6:59 pm eastern US time, which is 11:59 pm Greenwich time.
I'm going to pick up my son in Canada on Sunday but I do want to do one last turn chat as President so that's why I'm scheduling one on Saturday.
Our next term starts on Monday, July 1 which means we should work out a way for the new President to post a schedule even before the election results are know...
disorganizer Jun 24, 2002, 01:07 AM the schedule posted on sunday will be the one to be used for the 1st week of the term.
donsig Jun 24, 2002, 07:27 AM Originally posted by disorganizer
the schedule posted on sunday will be the one to be used for the 1st week of the term.
In that case I will try to make a scedule that the candidates like.:confused:
disorganizer Jun 24, 2002, 08:58 AM you should make a schedule the citizens like ;-)
donsig Jun 24, 2002, 11:01 AM Originally posted by disorganizer
you should make a schedule the citizens like ;-)
Then the citizens should make the schedules. :)
Lovro Jun 24, 2002, 11:46 AM Originally posted by donsig
Then the citizens should make the schedules. :) You aren't a citizen? :)
donsig Jun 24, 2002, 01:19 PM Originally posted by Lovro
You aren't a citizen? :)
Sometimes I wonder...
In any event I'll be 'just' a citizen in a week! ;)
disorganizer Jun 24, 2002, 01:53 PM I think there was a poll on the chat-days. So if you take the 2 most aproprieate and at 23:59 GMT then it should be ok.
disorganizer Jun 24, 2002, 01:56 PM poll is here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24431
wednesday and saturday won somehow.
you could refer to this poll on your schedule-post.
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