This is where we get our team organised:)

I had a chat with Whomp last week about this but here is my idea.
We have 5 main threads;

1.Turnplayer- Basically the turnplayer Posts screenshots and descriptions of actions taken that turn

2.Domestic - Planned Builds, City Placements, worker actions ect.

3.Foreign - Past/Present relations with others, deals in place, Deal we want to make ect.

4.Micro Management- MM actions to be taken ect.

5.Military - Stetegies, Troop movements, placements ect.

No discussions are to take place in these threads, they are there to post agreed actions/planning so everyone can find the relevant info quickly and easily, particularly turnplayers and diplomats. This way the chances of confusion and mistakes are reduced.
We sticky these 5 at the top.

Discussions take place in other threads were we can give ideas ect or just have fun, then when we reach an agreement we put it into the relavent thread.

Apart from that i don't think we need elections ect, from my experience in the last c3c mtdg and the civ4 one people who what a job will get it, its not like there is hundreds of people in the team.

And most of all, win, lose or draw we should aim to have fun:D , but i do find winning helps it be more fun;)

Any other idea's, tell us:)

booo to organisation! :p

but seriously-i dont care :)

Eye gaareee

I'm not sure how making seperate treads of decisions would work out; they'd be stale and prompt to dying. I liked the one tread decision thingy we had last time in KISS - and then one tread for each of the aforementionned where discussions do take place.

So definitely 5 main treads, but then 5 active discussion treads, and one for the conciliation is what I propose.

People will go for what they feel comfortable and fun, so assigning people to some places and such doesn't seem like a winning formula indeed - agreed on that.

so assigning people to some places and such doesn't seem like a winning formula indeed - agreed on that.
I don't think that's what Robi D was suggesting. The 5 threads would be for things we'd already discussed and made decisions upon in other threads...just a summary where people, especially brand new members, could find information without wading through long discussions. We might even wind up with more than 5 if some other area was needed.

It sounds a lot like what KISS used as "Department of xxxxxx" in the last game, but with less conversation.

btw, do we members have assigned roles? I wouldn't mind being a turnplayer

i think basically when we get a save we'll just see what happens and who want to play some turns :)

Some roles will probably change. We shnould have a back-up turn player.

btw, do we members have assigned roles? I wouldn't mind being a turnplayer

Since we're an anarchy, we don't exactly have official "elected" positions, but everybody does what they're best at. I'd defininately say that would be turnplayer for you!!! In fact, I suspect we're all counting on it. :D

Since we're an anarchy, we don't exactly have official "elected" positions, but everybody does what they're best at. I'd defininately say that would be turnplayer for you!!! In fact, I suspect we're all counting on it.don't count on that too much. Might be a let down :mischief:

Anyway, I am too new at this, since we play by turn, it will be pretty slow, isn't it?

depends really, if you look at the civ4 mtdg we have the same amount of teams and are approaching the 100 turn mark after a few months.

i suppose its how you jedge slow :)

In general there's a few players who step up and play turns regularly; I play the occasionnal turn when duty calls, as most here are at least as good, and better informed about the situation, than I am.

I just saw that Greebley has been invited here as well, seems like some strong turnplayers in here...

Last civ3 mtdg we had a couple 24hour turnsets (while veryone was alive and well, maybe not so well, but alive.

Personally, the one thing I'd like to see is a smooth transition between turnplayers. 10-20 turns at a time with a very detailed log on mm'ing and so forth. I know Tubby will bust out his spreadsheets too.

One of our strengths should be turnplay with Wotan, Ynnek, ThERat and Greebley.

I don't think we should limit who can take turns but let's make sure anyone who does has a very solid plan to follow.

One of our strengths should be turnplay with Wotan, Ynnek, ThERat and Greebley.

I don't think we should limit who can take turns but let's make sure anyone who does has a very solid plan to follow.

I agree! We're very blessed with some good players, and also with Whomp, our diplomat extrordinaire.

I didn't mean to leave anyone out. I'm less familiar with some folks' strengths than others. Me? I'm just head cheerleader and cookie baker. :p

So definitely 5 main treads, but then 5 active discussion treads, and one for the conciliation is what I propose.

People will go for what they feel comfortable and fun, so assigning people to some places and such doesn't seem like a winning formula indeed - agreed on that.

I'm happy with 5 threads for decisions so everyone can look up where we are at and 5 for discussions sounds good to me, tht way you don't have to go through pages of discussions to find what the decision was.

As for roles people play, i wouldn't want people to be assigned, people can volenteer for what htey want to do.

As for me i'm happy to give a hand with foreign relations and throw my 2 cents worth with other things. I will play a turn or two if there is no one else. Do expect to much from me in advice on MMing, thats not really my expertise;)

If we discuss things very well in detail that it probably doesn't matter who will play the turn then. But I guess Reality might prove that wrong. Anyway, we're an Anarchy so we can't get the bonus from irrigation...ahem no, I wanted to say, let's see who has the time to play, log and MM carefully. I don't mind playing some turns but I guess it is better if there are at least more than 2 people playing the turns.

I could take the early turns for ease of spreadsheet-dom.

booo organization... booo

I did like the way that MIA did their discussion threads... ig: Turns 1-20, Turns 21-40. That way there is a definate transition and things could be found a little quicker than the 1000+ post threads that we had in KISS

Organized anarchy is like the good cholestorol.
It's the voting, politics, team law, offices and some such nonsense that's the transfatty bad cholesterol.

btw, I found the WOA quote about the foodstuffs.

Originally posted by WackenOpenAir
Originally posted by Tubby Rower
What about the second settler? How much longer will it take to get the 2nd settler with the ealrier 1st settler? or is that not a concern?



For the first settler it is not a concern at all, it must be build before the granary. For later settlers i am not sure yet when i will build a granary.
Only when the production exceeds the food for settler production in the city so that after the granary, it can catch up the lost time.

A new city is worth 3fpt.
A granary helps me from 4 to 6.7 fpt for a net 2.7fpt.
And a granary takes longer to build.

Note that while a granary will make the 3th 4th etc settler come earlier, that first new city will also be producing food and thus new settlers and workers that now come earlier.
In this stage of the game, the only matter is optimizing your total fpt. (well, in multiplayer, commerce also has a somewhat increased significance, but i decided that while increased it still is very insignificant compared to food since Gozpel wont be doing the full rep slingshot anyway)

I have not done this in an excel sheet because this is a very clear case of settler before granary. I may calculate it more precise for later settlers when the time is there and when i know exactly when and where i am gonna settle my next cities. Excel only decided yet that i will build only 1 warrior.


He was playing as an AGR civ in that game so this applies directly to us.

I made up a spread sheet to automatically calculate the decision based off of Wacken's principles. Let me know if you see any glaring anomalies

Maybe we should organise a forum game or something while we are waiting

What are you thinking? War games of some sort? :evil:

i could start some of my dreaded team bonding things robi? ;)

I'm up for a 3-way if anyone else is interested.... gma? :P

no seriously I would like a 3-person game. no diplo of course just royal rumble style. with the cage match and the bloody hair like Nature Boy & Hulk Hogan used to have

For it Tubs :)

I'm up for a 3-way if anyone else is interested.... gma? :P

Who? Me? :eek:

Who? Me? :eek:sure...

what kind of map? pangea or peligo? AI or not? everything else should be middle of the road in my opinion.

I choose the Chinese

I didn't have anything particular in mind, just something to keep us entertained while we wait for the game to start. I'm sure BC has a lot of ideas:)

I'm not sure I follow the whole discussion here about who's doing what, but if there's a seat left in the end, I'll sit ;)

BeF, maybe play some turns in our SGOTM, if you are too free :lol:

I haven't played any MP in Civ3, so that would be a nice addition...

I was being serious about a 3-way game. I need help in MP games. I can MM decent enough, but the war aspect is what kills me literally.

as stated before I don't mind playing such a game as well...and I am someone who has his whole family back home and will be a little wee lonely over xmas and new year

Can't help with your little wee bit being lonely... :lol:

I'm interested in a C3C pbem too. We have Tubby as China, I'll take the Celts. What civ do you want? Anyone else want in? I'd say tiny map if it's just 3 people, small otherwise. If you just want to tune up on warmongering we could play one of the predetermined "hub" type maps which are known to be symmetrical. Otherwise I guess pangaea with middle of the road settings.

ok, I would go for Ottomans then to see what advantage the other team enjoys...

I've been playing Ottos in a deity SP game. It appears to me that playing an industrious civ will be quite a bit different feel. Count me in for a MP game and I'd like to play one of the industrious civs.

why dont you all be the ottomans?

Well I just wanted to get a feel how Chamnix would play it. There may be a benefit to playing all five civs.

In a 3 way though? :confused:

Small pangea with all five might be interesting.

Calling Sumer

If we're doing this I think it may be helpful to work in mini teams. I'd like to see all our players get a feel for pbem especially those that will be turnplayers.

Are we still looking at 3 player games... just 2 of them?

So far I have

Tubby - China
DaveShack - CElts
Beorn - Sumeria

ThERat - Otto
Whomp - no choice yet
BCLG4000 - ??
gmaHarriet??

anyone else???

I can play [c3c] at work... I could even start up a random map. I could probably make a custom map for another game if needed (not sure about balanced though :blush: ) Just let me know what to start up.

oh right did i sign up?

sure whatever i dont care i havnt played c3c in aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages so expect me to be the easy player :)

I'm sorry, but no thank you. :p

gmaharret and I will take Iroquois. :evil:
It may help if Wotan and Greebley take a civ too.

gmaharret and I will take Iroquois. :evil:

Ok, but I hope you know what you're getting into with me for a partner. :mischief: Where and how do we begin?

I am sure Greebley also would take part, but he currently has internet connection issues and hopes to solve them today...

so are we playing a team game? I'm not following. I just wanted a 3-person PBEM :(

I think we should involve people to get a handle on how to pbem. I will bow out so others need can get a feel to play it.

tubs we can do 2 if you have the time?

im happy to do a 3 way or a 5 way for whatever needs the numbers.

I will bow out so others need can get a feel to play it.

I thought you meant you'd be my partner somehow. :cry: I know zero about PBEM and I'm a rather weak player anyway.

I thought you meant you'd be my partner somehow. :cry: I know zero about PBEM and I'm a rather weak player anyway.That's what my intent was. We would spoiler our decisions so you could get a sense of how things work. The more informed we are on how volatile human vs. human games can be, the better. IE Tubby, Rik, Mistfit and Grahamiam know not to mess with Whomp's samuarais so....:p

I would like to play in a 3-man game. Those of you who are even remotely interested in being a turn-player, I would highly recommend a PBEM with 2-3 others so that you can understand the differences. I'd rather you get messed up in a private PBEM than in the big game getting ready to start.

I'll post spoilers of my actions and my (anti-)reasoning of why I do things. You can be the judge if I'm smart or not. :p

How about we ask for a sub-sub forum for the cage matches, so that we can fully spoil each other inside our own house? Otherwise we can always put it on display in the main board too I guess.

I like both ideas of a 3-men AW and a 5-men diplo with the civs at hand. Maybe we can do both? I'd be more interested in the 3-way myself. I can design the 5-players map during my christmas break, ie in time for christmas, and I trust we could find a friendly hand helping out the 3-way.

I do think turnplayers should get in either one, preferrably the 5 players MTDG2-civs matchup.

Works for me. We can also spoiler it in the forum since there's really no difference spoilering here or CDZ, really.

I'd like to get my head kicked in by Wotan, Ynnek, ThERat and Greebley. :D

I'll post a thread for setting up and GPS'ing the 3-men match here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=4891705#post4891705).

Would be my first Civ3 PBEM, but I'd be in, either as a team with someone in that 3 player one or in another one.

That's what my intent was. We would spoiler our decisions so you could get a sense of how things work. The more informed we are on how volatile human vs. human games can be, the better. IE Tubby, Rik, Mistfit and Grahamiam know not to mess with Whomp's samuarais so....:p

I'm not sure what spoilering is, but just tell me what to do and where and when, and I'll show up. I'll trust you to help me figure things out. :p

Spoilering means each group has a thread and the others promise not look at it and spoil the fun....kinda like SGOTM threads. :D

can be on a team with me ynnek? im crap :)

Spoilering means each group has a thread and the others promise not look at it and spoil the fun....kinda like SGOTM threads. :D

That sounds good and we can look at each other's threads after the game is over, right?

So where do we pick up and send our saves? Will we be creating a separate thread in this forum for uploading them? or will we have a gmail account? or will they be sent to our private email addys?

I'd like to be in another 3man AW game as BeF started...who would be the other teams?

That sounds good and we can look at each other's threads after the game is over, right?Zactly.

So where do we pick up and send our saves? Will we be creating a separate thread in this forum for uploading them? or will we have a gmail account? or will they be sent to our private email addys?I get pbem saves in my private email and then upload them here for viewing.

I'd like to be in another 3man AW game as BeF started...who would be the other teams?OK I'm in. I need my head kicked in. :D

I'd like to be in another 3man AW game as BeF started...who would be the other teams?
OK I'm in. I need my head kicked in. :D
So there'll be a little league match and a big league match :lol: I wonder who'll show up for the big league 3rd ;)

Whomp, unfortunately I knowlittle about PBEM games, setup and all...so it would be great if you could help...and we need a 3rd player? gmaharriet?

...and we need a 3rd player? gmaharriet?

Um, I don't think so. I've played exactly TWO AW games, one at Warlord, the other at Regent, and both were almost 2 years ago with most of the posters in the General Discussion forum giving me advice. You'd get more challenge playing against a Chieftain AI. :D

Edit: If you guys want to do two separate 3-man cage matches at AW, why don't you just let me watch and read all the spoilers from everybody's games. I might even learn something. :p

You know I don't think I've ever set up a pbem...I just play them. :D Tubs can you help?

Whomp, what about pulling Greebley in? That would be a nice game

Sounds good. We should probably do a small map because I'm good for a turn or two a day and a few more on weekends.

I'm currently making the landform for the 5-(wo)man game. I'll send the BIQ to Beorn for balancing approval.

I'm making the SoZ 300 shields with no ivory req. and restless barbs which is what the MTDG will be. It's on a small map (80x80)

made a map tile by tile. I think that it's fairly balanced but I sent it to B-E-F for a sanity check. I can create the initial save once I know who's in it and such.

Sanity check A+ :thumbsup: (more in your mailbox, and I'll be working on the big league 3-men map tomorrow night most likely).

B. aren't you playing in the 3-man one?

btw, I started a thread for the 5-man game ..... here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=197400)

Wasn't there 2 3-men ones? I guess I'll just wait and make a map if the idea comes up again.

I thought that there was a 3-man brawl and a more civilized 5-man game. we don't have that many people. :(

I'd love to play the map I made. but I think that would be un-balancing. Or maybe it would balance out my lack of skillz :hmm:

Sadly, I think I need to pass on the 5 man PBEM.

one more player is needed for the 5-man game. It's not AW so diplomats can be effective as well.

so far here are the four players/teams
ThERat & RobiD- Ottoman
Whomp - Sumeria
ynnek & BCLG3000 - no civ yet
DaveShack - no civ yet

we need one more player. Sadly I can't play and really neither can Beorn since we've both seen the map. I'm excited to see how this one turns out. It's going to be fun whether you like it or not.

Hmmmm, Ahhh. I'll be gone next week :(

this game will last more than a week ;) Simon has defected and become an independent team/player. The game is about to start. Vind... you might want to join up with one of the teams and then you can see what it's like to only see one side. Especially in diplo discussions. Those are always scary because you don't really know what you are giving away until it's too late.

dont worry though vind im master diplomasiser

So is anyone willing to take me under their wing? Cause i'd like to play :) but I don't want to cause any delay. (rhymes)

Vind--You can work with Gram Harriet and I.

I'd be willing to work with you too. :)

With BCLG also willing, that makes 3 teams you could join -- just pick one. :D

Vind--You can work with Gram Harriet and I.

Now I'm totally confused. I'd thought we were going to partner on a 5-civ game, then it was changed to be 2 3-civ teams and both of them AW and I wasn't on any team, then it went to 1 3-civ and 1 5-civ, and I thought all the partnerships were dropped except ThERat/Robi D.

Believing I wasn't playing, I know I looked at somebody's spoiler thread yesterday...though I don't recall whose thread, which civ it was, or which group of teams it belonged to. Now I don't know what to do. :crazyeye:

I don't know if I'm spoiled or not. I did answer some sort of general civ question in whichever thread it was I looked at, but I don't recall even what I replied to. I guess if it was in the "other group" it wouldn't matter, but only that person could tell you (or me) which group it was.

Edited to add: I can see now that it was BCLG100's spoiler thread, because I can see my name there as the last person who posted. He's in the 5-team group, so I think I've been spoiled. Sorry guys!!! :blush:

i dont mind you joining team whomp gma, i trust you not to share what little you will have gleamed from my spoiler thread- the majority of it is just me being a n00b anyways :)

It's fine Harriet. Watch all the spoliers. I will try to detail my decision making so you can lurk them all.

Hmm. Time to hit up random.org

BCLG100 - 1
Whomp- 2
Daveshack- 3

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1
Guess I'll join BC then :) Thanks to everyone who offered

woop welcome to team BC vind, it can be team BCV if you want?

It's fine Harriet. Watch all the spoliers. I will try to detail my decision making so you can lurk them all.

Thanks, Whomp, and thank you too BC for your generosity of spirit. :)

I feel like I'm being really "high maintenance" here, and it was not my intention. Good luck to all the teams!!!