View Full Version : Strangest Dictator of the 20th Century


amadeus
Mar 31, 2002, 07:37 PM
Who do you think is the strangest dictator of the 20th century? I voted Mu'ammar Qadaffi of Libya...he's one nutty character :crazyeye:

Sodak
Mar 31, 2002, 08:06 PM
You forget Idi Amin!

Lefty Scaevola
Mar 31, 2002, 08:42 PM
Who was that dictator down in Paraguay who got a third of his country killed by staating war with Brazil, Argentina, & Paraguay at the same time?

Richard III
Apr 01, 2002, 01:03 PM
Lefty, I'm afraid whoever he was, he doesn't really qualify, since that wasn't the 20th century (I'm pretty sure it wasn't, anyhow)

But all of the dictators above seem pretty normal by dictator standards. Where are the real wierdos:

Idi Amin (as mentioned above), :p
Mussolini (The new Rome! koo-coo, koo-coo!)
Baby doc
Ferdinand Marcos :eek:
Mobutu :crazyeye:...

And, since he can fairly be said to have clinched the title in two centuries, Robert Mugabe?

Peron might make the list, although more because his politics were strange as opposed to his personality.

Alcibiaties of Athenae
Apr 01, 2002, 01:48 PM
The poll should have had an "all of the above".

Nahuixtelotzin
Apr 01, 2002, 02:19 PM
Gaddhafi is definitely one of the most :crazyeye: and his outfit is sooooo cool.

What about Bokassa?
Ruben Batista?

If Castro applies, Batista necessarily has to be in the list...

Rain
Apr 01, 2002, 02:28 PM
Qu'daffy is definitely over the edge lol.

Shabbaman
Apr 02, 2002, 04:52 AM
Mussolini?

Chroestjov (Chrushew for all ya americans out there) is one of my favorites. Like, banging your shoe on the table at a U.N.-meeting? Sure way to get the diplomacy-victory...

Shabbaman
Apr 02, 2002, 04:53 AM
By the way, I think Dub'ya will make his way into the 22nd century poll...

allhailIndia
Apr 02, 2002, 04:57 AM
I would have to say that Papa Doc Duvalier was the strangest dictator of this century. He used "Magic" and Voodoo and apparently an army of zombies to keep his country in his hands:crazyeye:

Kublai-Khan
Apr 02, 2002, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by Richard III

Peron might make the list, although more because his politics were strange as opposed to his personality.


Peron?:confused:

Why?

amadeus
Apr 02, 2002, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by allhailIndia
I would have to say that Papa Doc Duvalier was the strangest dictator of this century. He used "Magic" and Voodoo and apparently an army of zombies to keep his country in his hands:crazyeye:

Correction! The guy that sold blood was Anastasio Somoza of Nicaragua (1936-1956.) My mistake...

He did, though, use Voodoo, etc.

kittenOFchaos
Apr 02, 2002, 05:29 PM
Qu'daffy...apparently his "little Green Book" is a hoot and a half...:D

Lt.Col. Kilgore
Apr 02, 2002, 07:21 PM
Pol Pot is by far the strangest as I see it. He slaughtered aprox. 2 million people through execution and killed many more with agricultural reforms as seen in China. He killed or destroyed anyone or anything that showed any outside influence. He was trying to 'cleanse' Cambodia and turn the government and social structure into one that was extremely efficient and would greatly advance Cambodia in all aspects. If this was his objective I wonder why he took such actions. Either he was very stupid or very much insane.

Hitro
Apr 02, 2002, 07:33 PM
I would have voted for Jean-Bédel Bokassa (Dictator of the Central African Republic) if possbile.
The man was truly mad. And many say he also was a cannibal, though this hasn't been proven. :crazyeye:

donsig
Apr 02, 2002, 10:06 PM
Tough. I guess it depends on how you define 'strange'. Castro seems to stand out from the group listed. He's almost normal compared to the rest of them on the list. Guess that makes him strange.:crazyeye:

What about Tito? When I think of dictators I think of someone who is not so good, someone the people are not happy with. Could be just my American ignorance. I once worked with a young man who had been born in Yugoslavia. he was fairly Americanized by the time I knew him. I once said something about Tito and he got pretty upset and told me not to say anything bad about Tito! :confused:

Greadius
Apr 03, 2002, 01:49 AM
Originally posted by donsig
I once worked with a young man who had been born in Yugoslavia. he was fairly Americanized by the time I knew him. I once said something about Tito and he got pretty upset and told me not to say anything bad about Tito! :confused: Maybe he thought you were talking about Tito Jackson :D

I voted for Pol Pot, just because I can't concieve how his mind could work; how could someone that wanted to DO something with his country kill so many people and hope to actually accomplish it? Most of the dictators on that list at least wanted to murder people from different countries.

About Idi Amin, isn't he living in Saudi Arabia after that mess he caused?

Richard III
Apr 03, 2002, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Shabbaman
By the way, I think Dub'ya will make his way into the 22nd century poll...

Yes, that whole standing for election thing is a real sign. Oh, yes, and that whole thing about how all evidence shows that he would respect the results of a second election is a big sign too. And his being prevented from running a third time by a constitutional amendment thing. All and all, it really does add up to the textbook example of a dictatorship, doesn't it?

That was sarcasm, for those who missed it.

R.III

P.S. Peron, because of the whole Peronista movement. The bizarre union of labour, nationalism and anti-establishmentarian militarism was somewhat strange, to say the least. Kind of like what national socialism would have been like if it had been invented in a Starbucks (no offence to Starbucks meant, of course). But as I'd said, he himself wasn't that strange, it was just his professional habits. Nothing to compare to Bokassa, Pol Pot or the others discussed at this table.

And what about Caucescu? He was WEIRD.

Daaraa
Apr 03, 2002, 11:20 AM
I voted Pol Pot.
I think he was the only one to accomplish the exact opposite of what he wanted. A Great and Powerful Khmer (Cambodian) Empire.
The moron attacked Vietnam a few times with a very inferior group of rag-tag teenagers (they were pure) just after the US's Vietnam war. Probably the height of the Vietnamese army's power.
:nono:

Hamlet
Apr 03, 2002, 11:44 AM
Yep, PP was a bit on the wacky side.

philippe
Apr 03, 2002, 01:13 PM
and hitler then he preffered very very fat women
he loved more of his dog then of his wife
he thought he was a gereal
Who won the war hitler?
nice tactics hitler!
very smart
hitler was a big moron
letting the germans freeze to dead
and he was sipping thee

Hitro
Apr 03, 2002, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by philippe
and hitler then he preffered very very fat women

Where did you get that from? :confused:

he loved more of his dog then of his wife

True. Well actually he didn't even have a wife in the usual sense until his very last day. He was "married to Germany" (his own words...) ;)
Hmm...okay...he was very strange. But I'd still vote for Bokassa.

Juize
Apr 04, 2002, 12:52 AM
My decisions are based on Diktaattoripörssi (Stock of Dictators 2002) (http://neon.turkuamk.fi/opiskelijat/ltieis99mm/mforsstrom/dporssi/porssi.cfm?sivu=1)

1 - J-B Bokassa (Ate little kids in peaceful demonstration, can it get any stranger?)
2 - 'Papa Doc' & 'Baby Doc' (Francois Duvalier & J-C Duvalier)
3 - Mobutu Sese Seko ('Seko' means 'Nutcase' in finnish, btw :D)
4 - Idi Amin (Black Nazi :cool: )
5 - Enver Hoxha (More stalinistic than the Stalin himself)

Voted Papa Doc.

Simon Darkshade
Apr 04, 2002, 09:22 AM
Bokassa. A very strange dude.

Park Ranger
Apr 05, 2002, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by Juize
3 - Mobutu Sese Seko ('Seko' means 'Nutcase' in finnish, btw :D)



His name in Lingala means something like "supreme-god-appointed-ruler-for-life"

People wore cloth patterned with his face even though he impoverished Zaire to become on of the 10 richest individuals in the world...

What does the Diktaattoriporssi say on that Stroessner guy from Paraguay? I think he was a real case, too.

Kublai-Khan
Apr 05, 2002, 08:29 AM
Stroessner was not a very flamboyant dictator, he was similar to Franco.Dull and conservative.




Lol:lol: :lol:

Flamboyant dictators, that is a funny weird concept:lol:

Rain
Apr 05, 2002, 08:41 AM
As for murdering pepole from your own country Pol Pot was small time compared to Stalin ( killed what 20-30 mil or so?). Even Hitler never achieved Stalin's levels of murder, tho he might have higher rate per year in power. Pol Pot was a fanatic ~ kinda took Mao's teachings and went to hell with it. Then we have some other guys not so well remembered ~ Leopold of Belgium (can't recall if he made it to the 20th century). Castro really doesnt fit on the list. Aside from being painted as evil by americans, Castro really hasnt been in the same class in terms of repression, murder etc as some of these guys.

Juize
Apr 05, 2002, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by Park Ranger
(..)What does the Diktaattoriporssi say on that Stroessner guy from Paraguay? I think he was a real case, too.
Erm, nothing. :p :D

Mītiu Ioan
Apr 05, 2002, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
Who was that dictator down in Paraguay who got a third of his country killed by staating war with Brazil, Argentina, & Paraguay at the same time?

This wasn't in XIX th century ? :confused:

Regards,

Kublai-Khan
Apr 05, 2002, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Mītiu Ioan


This wasn't in XIX th century ? :confused:

Regards,


Paraguay had dictators in the XIX th century and the XX th century.
This Guy Stroessner ruled from 1950 to the end of the 80`s IIRC

Beam
Apr 05, 2002, 05:17 PM
It is a close match anyway within these options. I voted Kim Il Sung because this guy, and his son, has been keeping up appearances for more than half a century right now. And we do only have a slight idea what these guys have been doing to make a population of millions believe that they were some kind of semi-gods.

Mītiu Ioan
Apr 07, 2002, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by Kublai-Khan
Paraguay had dictators in the XIX th century and the XX th century.
This Guy Stroessner ruled from 1950 to the end of the 80`s IIRC

Yes I know this - in fact in many sud-american countries was despotism - I read the absolute excellent book of G.G. Marques "Autumn of patriarch".

But the war between Paraguay and almost all of its neigbourhood
I know that was in XIX century - I'm right or not ?

Regards

Lefty Scaevola
Apr 07, 2002, 09:39 AM
Yeah, I think that was in the mid 1800s under Lopez, the 20th century war in that region was the Chaco war.

Citizen_K
Apr 07, 2002, 09:39 AM
I voted for the "man of steel" Stalin...

Because I thought it said "strongest" dictator.

:blush:

Mītiu Ioan
Apr 07, 2002, 09:48 AM
I personally vote for Pol Pot.

He was definately the bloodiest and stupidest dictator of XX century - 1/3 of Cambodgia killed, depopulating cities, destroy the infrastructure etc !!

Regards.

das
Apr 07, 2002, 09:55 AM
"Papa Doc": "The people want to give me a nickname! I will show them! I will give myself my own nickname! Muwhaahahahaha!"

das
Apr 07, 2002, 09:59 AM
And als, Pol was mayeb a bloody dictator, but he was a mad genius.

Hamlet
Apr 07, 2002, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by das
he was a mad genius.

He was simply mad.

What exactly makes you think he was in any sesne a genius?

Park Ranger
Apr 08, 2002, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by Mītiu Ioan


Yes I know this - in fact in many sud-american countries was despotism - I read the absolute excellent book of G.G. Marques "Autumn of patriarch".

If you liked that one, you might also like Alejo Carpentier's Reasons of State )(Alfred Knopf: 1976).

Both Carpentier and Marquez complained that writing novels about dictators was difficult because nothing they could imagine was as strange as the truth....

As for Paraguay and the Triple Alliance War:

At his death in 1862 López was succeeded by his son, Francisco Solano López. In 1865, influenced by his visits to the british and french empires, he tried to build his own empire, and thus led the nation into a war against Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay, known as the Triple Alliance War. It devastated Paraguay, and ended with the death of López in 1870. More than half of the population was killed, the economy was destroyed, and territorial losses exceeded 142,500 sq km (55,000 sq mi). The country remained occupied by Brazil until 1876. After the war the country made a large effort to reconstruct its cities and economy. Immigration was encouraged, and subsidized agricultural colonies were established.

This from:
http://www.qsl.net/zp5yw/paraguay.htm

I think some of the 19th century dictators could give the 20th c. ones a run for their money!

Juize
Apr 08, 2002, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Mītiu Ioan
I personally vote for Pol Pot.

He was definately the bloodiest and stupidest dictator of XX century - 1/3 of Cambodgia killed, depopulating cities, destroy the infrastructure etc !!

Regards.

At least he demonstrated to us what the real anarchy would be.

Juize
Apr 08, 2002, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Rain
As for murdering pepole from your own country Pol Pot was small time compared to Stalin ( killed what 20-30 mil or so?). Even Hitler never achieved Stalin's levels of murder, tho he might have higher rate per year in power. Pol Pot was a fanatic ~ kinda took Mao's teachings and went to hell with it. Then we have some other guys not so well remembered ~ Leopold of Belgium (can't recall if he made it to the 20th century). Castro really doesnt fit on the list. Aside from being painted as evil by americans, Castro really hasnt been in the same class in terms of repression, murder etc as some of these guys.

Diktaattoripörssi - Stock of Dictators 2002 (TM) (C) (R)
is not ranking it's dictators by body piles.
It's a strange mix of reputation, strangeness, madness and evilness.

And if Simon Darkshade will go and spam here saying that I can't spell right,
just die out Simon, this is an INTERNATIONAL forum.

Hamlet
Apr 08, 2002, 12:55 PM
I'm surprised that nobody has voted for Khomeini. :confused:

basher
Apr 14, 2002, 06:35 AM
Pol pot, definitely. He hated all people who had even just a tiny fragment of education and wanted to turn his country into a stone-age slave society.

Simon Darkshade
Apr 14, 2002, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Hamlet
I'm surprised that nobody has voted for Khomeini. :confused:

There, fixed that for you. Happy now?:D

"Diktaattoripörssi - Stock of Dictators 2002 (TM) (C) (R)
is not ranking it's dictators by body piles.
It's a strange mix of reputation, strangeness, madness and evilness.

And if Simon Darkshade will go and spam here saying that I can't spell right,
just die out Simon, this is an INTERNATIONAL forum."

Anyone else hear the sound of the broken record?
Juizy, my dear love, the funny thing is that you go to such vehment lengths to defend yourself over a post which does not contain any spelling mistakes. :lol: Talk about jumping the gun.
Stop taking it so personally, even though it is meant that way.;)

mcdh
Apr 26, 2002, 10:31 PM
I would go with Kim Jong Il of north korea. he's a weirdo.

klazlo
May 24, 2002, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by Richard III

And what about Caucescu? He was WEIRD.

Or one can vote for his wife, Elena, who was an absolute weirdo. Some say that she was the one who really ran the country. There was a joke about her:

"Who is the best chessmaster in the world?"
"Elena"
"Why?"
"Because she can keep a whole country in check with one pawn"
:)
(In Hungarian we use the same word for the the 'pawn' in check and for a quite degrading version of 'peasant'.)

Richard III
May 24, 2002, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by klazlo
(In Hungarian we use the same word for the the 'pawn' in check and for a quite degrading version of 'peasant'.)


This is probably not a coincidence!

klazlo
May 24, 2002, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Richard III
This is probably not a coincidence!

Yes, I guess so, and that's why we also have a "p.c." version for the check: infantry. :)

Archbob
May 25, 2002, 12:50 PM
I'd have to go with good ol' joe stalin. ;)

Mītiu Ioan
May 27, 2002, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by klazlo
Or one can vote for his wife, Elena, who was an absolute weirdo. Some say that she was the one who really ran the country.

Hmmm - there are a lot of rumors about her. But a fact is for sure : her obsesion to develop prioritary the chemistry industry and especially the oil-related industry had caused big trouble for Romania since 1980 ....

Regards