In continuation of the grand militaristic tradition of the War Church in the UFE (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11968), I hereby declare a call-to-arms to all militarists and warlords in this mighty new Empire to join the War Church and serve as the Sword of the Empire.

The Glory of Our Empire lies in the Strength of Our Arms!

Our Aims
1) War is merely a form of 'foreign' policy.
2) Strike first, strike hard and strike fast.
3) The maintenance of a large military, even in peacetimes.
4) A platform for militarists in the Empire.

Knights of the War Church
Knight-Dragon
napoleon526
Mr Spice
Black Fluffy Lion
Daaraa
Falcon02
Killer
Ohwell
Kan' Sharuminar
donsig
gonzo_for_civ
joespaniel
allhailIndia
Emmet Samms
omichyron
Plexus
monk
Elvind IV
Lecky
Grandmaster
Almightyjosh
archer_007
Waterz
: )civ2

Further Notes
This is a citizens' group, not a political party. Aims of the group to evolve with time and circumstances - we are not a bunch of war-crazed fanatics after all. :p

Join the Knights of the War Church TODAY!

You have my support, brother Knight-Dragon. Soon the world shall tremble before our might.
:tank:

Originally posted by napoleon526
You have my support, brother Knight-Dragon. Soon the world shall tremble before our might.
:tank: Welcome, brother! Together we shall stick our swords in the beating hearts of our enemies. :mwaha:

Nice, I love to see the people Form organized groups.

Keep it going.


/President Grey Fox

Our mighty group has recieved presidential recognition! Hurrah!

Hmmm. As long as these hawkish citizens do not interfere with my plans for a healthy and self-sufficient economy, they will have my support as well.

Originally posted by eyrei
Hmmm. As long as these hawkish citizens do not interfere with my plans for a healthy and self-sufficient economy, they will have my support as well. Well, obviously, our economy will need to be strong as well, for us to support a mighty military. ;)

I will let some of the Money be funded on the Military, of Course. We cannot be weak. But Money is also power, remember that.

And I have full confidense In Charis, our Military Leader.

i hope you're going to develop a very strong navy also. and lots of marines.

Originally posted by Cyc
i hope you're going to develop a very strong navy also. and lots of marines. Depends on the geography. If lots of seas, we'll want power projection into the seas around us and far away as well. I love battleships too. :love:

Count me in on this one. In Civ 3 a strong military and conquest are necessities. We had better start our rampage for world domination early and never stop until we have all the luxuries and resources we need. Plus those leader are always welcome. :)

ooh, count me in! you have black fluffy lion warriors on your side...

:ninja:

Welcome, welcome, comrades! I know I will find many many militarists fast. :D

is it part of our policies to back stab (one of my favorite activites at civ3)?? :D

Originally posted by Black Fluffy Lion
is it part of our policies to back stab (one of my favorite activites at civ3)?? :D We are merely a citizens grouping advocating certain actions in the game; we don't decide the national policies. The powers-that-be had already decided that we'd be an 'honorable' power I think. :( ;)

I'd say - let's do it unto them before they do it unto us! :D :cool:

Count me in on this one.
I love persuading our neighbors to donate cities to The Greater World Empire.

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
1) War is merely a form of 'foreign' policy.
A viable military is a necessary component of a strong foreign policy. As such, my department is happy to recognize your citizen group and wish you the best.

Shaitan,
Chairman, Department of Foreign Affairs.

You will have my support, as well of that of the 5th Fleet :mwaha:

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
1) War is merely a form of 'foreign' policy.


The Trade Department (at least under my administration) believes that one of the key components of world dominance is to deal in such a way that bleeds the treasuries of our foreign competition dry. Thus limiting their ability to field armies rivaling ours.

While I believe that we should expand our nation in a balanced and honorable way, I do support the building and maintenance of a powerful defensive force making our territory safe for high commerce.

Also, the best defense is the ability to deter our competition from feeling that they have the opportunity to dominate us. A sufficient mobile force is necessary as both a reserve, and a counter-strike option.

Finally, I have a long memory for Civ's who threaten our fledgling nation before such time we have built those forces described above.

The DOT welcomes the War Church's valuable insight into the growth of our empire.

Bill
Trade Leader

"Walk softly and carry a big stick."
-Teddy Roosevelt on foreign affairs

This is my position as well. The "walk softly" part is more negotiatable, especially depending on the circumstances. But, if you have a big gun, why not use it. ;)

I'm In.

Originally posted by Falcon02
"Walk softly and carry a big stick."
-Teddy Roosevelt on foreign affairs

"I speak softly and carry a big stick." - Bugs Bunny
"Well I speak LOUD! And I carry a BIGGER stick! And I use it too!" - Yosemite Sam, just before pounding the hell out of Bugs with a bigger stick

But dont forget, theres always another bunny with an even bigger stick. Maybe not now but usually somewhere down the line.

Kentonio

Originally posted by Kentonio
But dont forget, theres always another bunny with an even bigger stick. Maybe not now but usually somewhere down the line.

Kentonio Yes. That's why it's the role of the War Church to make sure we carry the biggest stick of all in the neighbourhood. :D

haha. you people talking about who's got the biggest stick. too funny. i guess if you've got it flaunt it.

Originally posted by Cyc
haha. you people talking about who's got the biggest stick. too funny. i guess if you've got it flaunt it.


:D :D :D
Thats priceless Cyc

Does the War Church belive in getting involved in foreign wars, and sending troops overseas to defend, or attack, our trans-oceanic friends/enemies?

Originally posted by Benjamin Miller
Does the War Church belive in getting involved in foreign wars, and sending troops overseas to defend, or attack, our trans-oceanic friends/enemies? Depends on the particular situation. And only in our own interests and when our homeland defense is more than adequate. ;)

Right now, it's too early to define a more detailed policy. Fr prev experience, that's why I left an option "to evolve to fit the situation" in our manifesto. :)

I wasn`t born, I was found in a goodie-hut:

"The friendly Germanic tribe gave you an elite warmonger!"

So I guess I belong here :D

Welcome, killer! We can always use a few 'dispensers of justice' to persuade the populace to support our vision for the Empire; a few assassinations in the right places will do the trick. :D :mwaha:

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Welcome, killer! We can always use a few 'dispensers of justice' to persuade the populace to support our vision for the Empire; a few assassinations in the right places will do the trick. :D :mwaha:

:mwaha:
I`d rather assassinate foreign leaders! :lol:
Seriously, I`m a bad, bad, bad warmonger. Beat them up so fast and hard that they never dare come for you. With Civ and CivII I never did, I expanded peacefully, then blitzed through when attacked. But now I find myself on the rampage every time I have a military advantage, like a good UU or Cav when the others don`t have it or when they lack a res.....

I guess this is the only way CivIII can be played without constantly paying tribute or a big chunck of luck :( So let us get this into the heads of our fellow citizens - if we´re not ready to attack at any time (I`m not saying we should then do it!) we`re dependend on everyone elses friendliness......

I agree with your every word. In Civ2, I almost never ever initiate a war before the modern age (yes, laugh all you want :p). But in Civ3, if you don't fight some quick wars in the beginning to position yourself when you have the opportunity, the rest of your game's gonna suck.

But with the current Manifest Destiny thingie going thru, things are going our way for the time being. ;) :D :goodjob:

So for now we should support the invention of a truly awesome technique called "Iron Working" that will give us the ability to make the best swordes in the whole world and set up an eilte force of brave men we could call "immortals". Then we just have to send them out to strap our neighbours of luxuries, resources and territory that is far to good for them and best used by our glorious nation. :)

Oh wise Spise, ah, sorry, Spice, I agree! But will the fainthearted in our state see the necessity?

Originally posted by Killer
Oh wise Spise, ah, sorry, Spice, I agree! But will the fainthearted in our state see the necessity?They are. Right now, we're pumping out immortals-in-training i.e. warriors and training them on barbs. The time shall come when they'll be reequipped for a continental rampage. :mwaha:

Or else, we'll make them see our way. :mwaha:

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
They are. Right now, we're pumping out immortals-in-training i.e. warriors and training them on barbs. The time shall come when they'll be reequipped for a continental rampage.


very good - but don`t forget that reequipping takes the egde from them and makes them veterans again even if they were elite - shouldn`t we restict our buildup to the necessary until we have iron?

The time shall come when they'll be reequipped for a continental rampage.

The time draws near. The Americans have taken the best lands from us! Then there are the Romans in the southern hills. Hills filled with precious????

The Nest is crowded but there is hardly a decent place for us to move to. The best cities seem to be American. We cannot let it remain so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Military Addviser says we have no military units how can we rampage donsiq.

The Military Addviser says we have no military units how can we rampage donsiq.

I guess we'd better start building an army! I think the current strategy is to build warriors and then upgrade them to immortals when we get iron. The plan has merit but our possibilities for new cities are dwindling. The time for war is approaching and we must ready ourselves.

As of 1910bc we have 9 warrior bands and one more is being raised. They are dispersed as scouting has been the number one priority. We'll soon have a city in the plains near America. We will need more than warriors to defend it!

donsig, discussion about the military shld take place in the military dept thread or better yet, during the game chat; not here. Unless you're a Knight of the War Church of course. ;)

So, old comrade, can I entice you to join us? :groucho: :) I'm trying to gather in all the war-lovers in this Empire.

If you're looking for war-lovers then I would like to join, if I may.
I shall sit humbly waiting for the discovery of gunpowder, when our glorious armies may have weapons that finally make satisfying noises of the 'BANG' and 'BOOM' variety, and can make pretty explosions with which we may blow our enemies to bits. And there will be much rejoicing. :D

Of course, the Immortal's war-cries and clashing of swords will be quite enough to keep me entertained until then.

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
donsig, discussion about the military shld take place in the military dept thread or better yet, during the game chat; not here. Unless you're a Knight of the War Church of course. ;)

So, old comrade, can I entice you to join us? :groucho: :) I'm trying to gather in all the war-lovers in this Empire.


:crazyeye: You must have missed my post of signing up for the War Church... hell I am in the other one so why don't I join the bloodthirsty ones of the... um... What is our nations name? :)

Was never informed of that.:confused: :)

I wonder if nobody wants to join my Defense Board...:( It goes hand-in hand with this organization... just read it. It It doesn't mean I just want defense units, when I say defense forces I mean defensive and offensive. Just read it! We can't go to war without units!!:rolleyes:

donsig, discussion about the military shld take place in the military dept thread or better yet, during the game chat; not here. Unless you're a Knight of the War Church of course.

Oh, this is a private club. I see. I dunno if I want to join. I may wait around and start my own political party, I mean, club, er... citizen's group.

I think I'll call it 'Free Speech for Phoenticans!!' Ah, that's too much work.

I don't want to post in the military thread for the general public to see. Just wanted to kick back with a :beer: and discuss things with the boys at the bar. I thought that's what this place was for.:confused:

What does one have to do to become a knight? I ain't wearing no armor cause it's hell when you get an itch.:D

Originally posted by Ohwell
[B]:crazyeye: You must have missed my post of signing up for the War Church... hell I am in the other one so why don't I join the bloodthirsty ones of the... um... What is our nations name? :)

Was never informed of that.:confused: :)Oh sorry, old comrade. Becos your post was ambigious ("I support the War Church"), not sure if you're merely supporting or joining. Welcome aboard! We can always use a few good admirals. :) :groucho:

Our empire's name is Phoenaticae. Or thereabouts. :crazyeye:

Originally posted by donsig
Oh, this is a private club. I see. I dunno if I want to join. I may wait around and start my own political party, I mean, club, er... citizen's group.

I think I'll call it 'Free Speech for Phoenticans!!' Ah, that's too much work.

I don't want to post in the military thread for the general public to see. Just wanted to kick back with a :beer: and discuss things with the boys at the bar. I thought that's what this place was for.:confused:Yeah, but you gotta join first. Personally I don't mind much but the powers that be may think I am trying to launch a coup by seemingly encouraging general military discussions here, instead of at the official thread. :p Let's do things properly.

Well if you have joined, we can always pass it off as general shoptalk if anybody asks. ;)

There's no reason why you can't join and start a new movement at the same time, like Ohwell. ;)

What does one have to do to become a knight? I ain't wearing no armor cause it's hell when you get an itch.:DDo you see any modern-day knighted people in Britain wearing armor nowadays on ceremonial occasions? :p Just a cool-sounding name. ;)

Come on; join! I'll get joe to join too and with Ohwell onboard, it's like the old gang together. :mwaha:

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon


There's no reason why you can't join and start a new movement at the same time, like Ohwell. ;)

Come on; join! I'll get joe to join too and with Ohwell onboard, it's like the old gang together. :mwaha:

Knight-Dragon you might want to look over my Civil Defense Board again... I revised the United Fanatica Charter and it now includes some yummy things for warmongers as well :mwaha:

Yeah donsig! Join us in taking over the world!

ANYWAY,

:party: :dance: :beer: :yeah: YEAH! were fgonna attack those PEOPLE called AMericans soon!! :D

A wise man once said, "I wouldn't join any organization that would have me." But since I'm not so wise and I don't have to wear armor I'd be honored to join this fine organization.

I do like irritating the powers that be, though, so put me down for alot of 'shop talk'. Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others.

:groucho:

Originally posted by donsig
A wise man once said, "I wouldn't join any organization that would have me." But since I'm not so wise and I don't have to wear armor I'd be honored to join this fine organization.

I do like irritating the powers that be, though, so put me down for alot of 'shop talk'. Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others.

:groucho: Principles are fine so long as they don't get in the way of important things like backstabbing your enemies, launching a massive first strike against a neighbour, going to war over a patch of oil etc. :p :D Welcome onboard!

Well, I see the war's been put on the back burner. We ARE building a barracks. We'd better hope old Abe don't get too expansionistic on us!

Originally posted by Cyc
i hope you're going to develop a very strong navy also. and lots of marines.

:mwaha: Count on it. ;)

Sign me up here! KD.

It's nice to see ya here also. :p

Originally posted by joespaniel
:mwaha: Count on it. ;) I see that you have finally found your way here. Well, old comrade, will you be joining us? :groucho: Ohwell had joined and I had enticed donsig too. With you in, the Four Horsemen shall ride again! :mwaha: You know, the ones who are war, pestilence, and 2 more BAD things. ;)

And glad to have you back, gonzo!

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Well, old comrade, will you be joining us? :groucho:

Ofcouse! :D
I wouldnt miss it for all the ivory in India (which I assume you are stomping all over, in the American SG). :lol:

Sorry I was out of it so long. I may lose connection again before this is over, lets hope not.
New modem is coming in a couple days.

Originally posted by donsig
I do like irritating the powers that be, though, so put me down for alot of 'shop talk'. Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others.

:groucho:

Hmmm. I will keep that in mind.

I do think you warmongers will have your wish soon enough.
I will have you know that Abe at one point moved one of his warrior groups onto the mountain right next to PDX!
:mad:

In a rather unpolite manner, I told him to remove them, and he did. The next time he does that, we will respond the same, I imagine, and war may very well ensue.

Originally posted by donsig
Well, I see the war's been put on the back burner. We ARE building a barracks. We'd better hope old Abe don't get too expansionistic on us!We'll need more time to found more cities, expand and amass the gold. Our warriors are 'training' on barbs. ;)

When the time comes, we'll upgrade the troops and strike!

We have good people in the govt; I'm sure they know what they're doing. :cool:

Brothers I join thee for I too believe that war is an inalienable way of life. We must first bleed a nation dry with our expensive goods and then charge our Immortals swords' through their hearts. Let us use our trade and swords for the one and same purpose:mwaha:

I do think you warmongers will have your wish soon enough.

I just hope it is not too soon as we are not quite prepared just yet. When war does come the Knights will be ready to serve!

Originally posted by donsig
I just hope it is not too soon as we are not quite prepared just yet. When war does come the Knights will be ready to serve!Yeah, I would rather found a few more cities before beginning war preparations. Otherwise those other civs may begin to slip in and build their cities all over our claimed lands.

And welcome onboard, allhailIndia! :D

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Yeah, I would rather found a few more cities before beginning war preparations. Otherwise those other civs may begin to slip in and build their cities all over our claimed lands.



Remember, any cities built on OUR lands are OUR cities... :mwaha:

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Originally posted by Cyc
i hope you're going to develop a very strong navy also. and lots of marines.
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With me here, your gonna have a few more ships than you can handle :mwaha:

But of course, I don't call for a navy before ironclads... this is the truth!
;)

This is taking way too long. We need 6 Immortals NOW and lets launch an offensive!

Those fools wont know what hit them.

All this word-making is making me ill. :crazyeye: ATTACK! :hammer:

We have only warriors at the moment.

Nice to see you guys all so active in the demo game. :goodjob:

Found more cities, build less infrastructures (like temple), develop more tiles, build more units of more types and let's go! :sniper: Too bad we ain't playing a militaristic civ but we'll have to make do for now.

:mwaha: Lets make lots of units and take THEIR cities! :mwaha:

I am beginning to wonder how serious all of you are about this. You must realize that it is the nature of a democracy not to go warmongering.:D

Seriously, we are not yet prepared to attack anybody. Preparations have already begun, and soon the immortal horde will lay waste to the Americans. Therefore, I suggest you turn your discussions to strategy, and what to do with the spoils, rather than preaching to the choir, so to speak. I would like to be able to name a group of immortals after the war church as they enforce the might of our nation, but they will need a viable strategy first......

Originally posted by eyrei
I am beginning to wonder how serious all of you are about this. You must realize that it is the nature of a democracy not to go warmongering.:DBetter them than us. :p

In my experience (ours actually), it's only a matter of time before a neighbouring civ will attk. Let's take out one side first; otherwise we'll be forced to face the possibility of a 2 front war.

Seriously, we are not yet prepared to attack anybody. Preparations have already begun, and soon the immortal horde will lay waste to the Americans. Therefore, I suggest you turn your discussions to strategy, and what to do with the spoils, rather than preaching to the choir, so to speak. I would like to be able to name a group of immortals after the war church as they enforce the might of our nation, but they will need a viable strategy first...... We'd preferred a city. ;) To be eternally dedicated to the cause of the War Church, and self-administrated. Obviously we'll used it pumped out units.....

Don't be too confident about the immortality of our Immortals. They may be strong on the attk but they'll have to get there in one piece first. ;)

a strategy....

I have found that teamed up Immortals are almost invincible.

So we should send out a host, covered by 2 Spearmen, for the towns we can take (remember, they need to ahve a size two culture radius so even with massive rushing down to size 1 the city won´t be destroyed).

Also, we should send out teams of 2 Immos each going directly for the cities from which counterattacks are most likely to come.

These teams should do away with any spoiling attack. Tehn we can mop up enemy towns one after another. If we are successfull we can even wait the ten turns necessary for the culture to grow if the capital jumps to a size 1 town.....

We should use this to annilhiate the Americans all the way, thus enabling us to keep the cities with no flip risk!

Those in favour?

Originally posted by donsig
We have only warriors at the moment.

Im just getting into charachter. :D

Its funny how many people are taking me seriously though. :lol:

One nice thing, those warriors will upgrade to our UU whenever we are ready to fight. I prefer to have horses when I do ancient-age battle, but with Immortals, I doubt it will be needed.

Now, lets get to work. :ninja:

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Better them than us. :p

In my experience (ours actually), it's only a matter of time before a neighbouring civ will attk. Let's take out one side first; otherwise we'll be forced to face the possibility of a 2 front war.

We'd preferred a city. ;) To be eternally dedicated to the cause of the War Church, and self-administrated. Obviously we'll used it pumped out units.....

Don't be too confident about the immortality of our Immortals. They may be strong on the attk but they'll have to get there in one piece first. ;)

The city in the hills near the iron will be used primarily to build units. It is however, promised to the military department, so if you wish to have it dedicated, I suggest you talk to Charis.

Well, I'll confine my posts to this thread and the CDB thread. (Unless I start my own thread. Thinking about one called 'You call this a democracy?!?') Anyway...

The Foreign Affairs Dept. is calling for war now. I think they said we'll declare war when we have 6 immortals or in 15 turns (when some treaty expires) or which ever comes first. Don't think we're supposed to take that last part literally. least I hope not. I don't really think they'll break the treaty if we get 6 immortals recruited before 15 turns. I also pray they do not declare war in 15 turns unless we are ready!!!

I'm not sure where the 6 immortals benchmark came from. I remember reading in the military thread that we needed 9 immortals, a city capable of producing a warrior a turn and at least a couple cities dedicated to military production before the military dept. deemed us ready for war.

I'm glad the Foreign Affair Dept. 'has seen the light' and is focusing on war. I have confidence that the Military Dept. will guide us towrds a successful war effort. What I am not so sure about is whether the president will use the war mandate given by the people or whether the president will heed the Military Leader's advice.

Originally posted by donsig
Well, I'll confine my posts to this thread and the CDB thread. (Unless I start my own thread. Thinking about one called 'You call this a democracy?!?') Anyway...



No need to confine yourself to certain threads. The sticky threads should remain pretty clean, though. I was not referring to you in my post in the military thread, but to several critiques of the cabinet and president that were nearly insulting, and some where blatantly uninformed by various members of the populace. It was simply a general call for politeness.:)

I'm getting confused. Sticky threads have to be clean? That sounds like a contradiction. Sticky threads aren't clean till you take them out of the washing machine!

As for "critiques of the cabinet and president that were nearly insulting, and some where blatantly uninformed by various members of the populace" isn't that what democracy is based on? Anyone from North Carolina should know that!:lol: :lol: (Just so you know - I'm only teasing!)

Originally posted by donsig
I'm getting confused. Sticky threads have to be clean? That sounds like a contradiction. Sticky threads aren't clean till you take them out of the washing machine!

As for "critiques of the cabinet and president that were nearly insulting, and some where blatantly uninformed by various members of the populace" isn't that what democracy is based on? Anyone from North Carolina should know that!:lol: :lol: (Just so you know - I'm only teasing!)

We can at least try to keep the sticky threads clean.

True, about that being like democracy in NC and the US, but why would we want to be like that?

I think a few of those inflammatory posts were not the result of roleplaying, though.

Anyway, the turn chat is about to start if you would like to join us.
Peace.

There's work to do boys. The Babylonians demanded our maps and our President refused!:goodjob:

They have declared war on us!

"ARE YOU READY FOR A WAR?"
"YAAAAHHHH!"

-Braveheart

We passed up buying horse riding for 17 gold.:(

I hear there are horses in the south. If this is true we need a city - or, gadzooks, even a colony :eek: to secure a supply of the beasties!

They would do wonders for patrolling our borders and looking for Babylonians.

EDIT: Latest from the military thread: After barracks is complete in Pherris the plan is to whip a library so it will be a more productive city.

Hmm... I thought Pherris's main duty was to train warriors that were being built elsewhere. Yes, Pherris can also build immortals from scratch (and should do that) but the bulk of our forces are supposed to be proto-immortals. The whip may not be needed. What do you think fellow Knights?

Originally posted by donsig
There's work to do boys. The Babylonians demanded our maps and our President refused!:goodjob:

They have declared war on us! See? Any neighbouring civ will almost always attk, eventually.

Now is not the time for temples but for landgrabbing with settlers and then building defenders, spears in this case. Then only cultural improvements to expand borders.

Originally posted by donsig
EDIT: Latest from the military thread: After barracks is complete in Pherris the plan is to whip a library so it will be a more productive city.

Hmm... I thought Pherris's main duty was to train warriors that were being built elsewhere. Yes, Pherris can also build immortals from scratch (and should do that) but the bulk of our forces are supposed to be proto-immortals. The whip may not be needed. What do you think fellow Knights? Why a library? :mad: If we're going to war, we're going to need spears as well and horse whenever possible. Who's gonna defend our main cities once our proto-immortals march to war? Esp considering possible Bab incursions fr the south. Distant but possible.

Originally posted by eyrei
We can at least try to keep the sticky threads clean.

True, about that being like democracy in NC and the US, but why would we want to be like that?

I think a few of those inflammatory posts were not the result of roleplaying, though.

Anyway, the turn chat is about to start if you would like to join us.
Peace. What inflammatory posts? :confused: As far as I can see, those are pretty OK.

You want to see inflammatory posts? Suggest you go read up some of the threads in the Off Topic forum. Those are inflammatory; the ones here are pretty mild comparatively. ;)

I imagine they chose library because it's cheaper (less shields) than a temple. (We're scientific, aren't we?)

I'm not sure about whipping it but I guess Pherris missed a flood plain and is growing slowly without it.

It seems one problem with us mere citizens posting in the department threads is that crucial info is be overlooked by the authorities. Since we're at war I think it prudent to stay out of those threads so our leaders can better communicate with each other.

General Charis has asked that citizens post in the War Church thread. We have official recognition!

All right where's all the warmongers?

Originally posted by donsig
It seems one problem with us mere citizens posting in the department threads is that crucial info is be overlooked by the authorities. Since we're at war I think it prudent to stay out of those threads so our leaders can better communicate with each other.Even so, most decisions seem to be taken during chats; so even Charis isn't really making the war-related decisions since he can't attend. ;)

General Charis has asked that citizens post in the War Church thread.Doesn't help much; the military thread is still messy. I'd suggest the General Staff maintain 2 threads - one for military discussion and comm with other leaders and one more for exclusively internal use.

Gentlemen of the War Church, thank you for both your input and your understanding of the need to help communications in the main Mil thread. The president has already, it seems, missed not one but two key directives in that thread, and has founded Pherris in spot quite unacceptable to the military and has jeoparized our American invasion. It was an 'honest' error, going for a river spot, but one that discarded a crucial military objective and explanation.

It's not a "no citizen" rule in the mil thread, but what would be ideal for us (and perhaps the President) is to let the citizens speak freely here, and "summarize" either conclusions or options that are garnered here (Knight Dragon would be the logical 'summarizer' perhaps)

I've specifically asked that feedback on our first draft plan for handling this Babylonian crisis and American invasion be made here (and the Civil Defense Board is discussing issues of defense, also important given we have NO city as a buffer south of Fox Nest)

May this be a time for Phoenatica to shine!
General Charis

Originally posted by Killer
a strategy....

I have found that teamed up Immortals are almost invincible.

So we should send out a host, covered by 2 Spearmen, for the towns we can take (remember, they need to ahve a size two culture radius so even with massive rushing down to size 1 the city won´t be destroyed).

Also, we should send out teams of 2 Immos each going directly for the cities from which counterattacks are most likely to come.

These teams should do away with any spoiling attack. Tehn we can mop up enemy towns one after another. If we are successfull we can even wait the ten turns necessary for the culture to grow if the capital jumps to a size 1 town.....

We should use this to annilhiate the Americans all the way, thus enabling us to keep the cities with no flip risk!

Those in favour? I'd rather mass all forces into one solid stack, supported by spears; all those 'teams' outside the main force will be easy pickings. Anyways, we will only have a few immortals, so we wouldn't have extras to split into separate flank forces. :(

Originally posted by eyrei
The city in the hills near the iron will be used primarily to build units. It is however, promised to the military department, so if you wish to have it dedicated, I suggest you talk to Charis. No biggie; the War Church exists everywhere and will not be delimited to just merely one city. :p

So long as we conquer a few more cities and found more, there're always future chances. ;)

Originally posted by donsig
Well, I'll confine my posts to this thread and the CDB thread. (Unless I start my own thread. Thinking about one called 'You call this a democracy?!?'):goodjob: Did I ever tell you we haven't hold our first elections yet? Our present govt is a self-appointed oligarchy. :) :p J/k.

The Foreign Affairs Dept. is calling for war now. I think they said we'll declare war when we have 6 immortals or in 15 turns (when some treaty expires) or which ever comes first. Don't think we're supposed to take that last part literally. least I hope not. I don't really think they'll break the treaty if we get 6 immortals recruited before 15 turns. I also pray they do not declare war in 15 turns unless we are ready!!!Or the other powers declare war. Wait, the Babs had declared war already! But shldn't the General Staff gives the green sign before the Foreign Dept declares war?

I'm not sure where the 6 immortals benchmark came from. I remember reading in the military thread that we needed 9 immortals, a city capable of producing a warrior a turn and at least a couple cities dedicated to military production before the military dept. deemed us ready for war.Charis wanted 9; joespaniel was joking about 6 immortals and we can kill anything (people took him seriously though; seems like old joe got a reputation :lol: ).

I'm glad the Foreign Affair Dept. 'has seen the light' and is focusing on war. I have confidence that the Military Dept. will guide us towrds a successful war effort. What I am not so sure about is whether the president will use the war mandate given by the people or whether the president will heed the Military Leader's advice.I'm sure the Prez and the Mil Leader can work things out. Grey Fox nominated Charis to the position anyway; the Fox supposed to be the original mil leader. ;)

Originally posted by Charis
Gentlemen of the War Church, thank you for both your input and your understanding of the need to help communications in the main Mil thread. The president has already, it seems, missed not one but two key directives in that thread, and has founded Pherris in spot quite unacceptable to the military and has jeoparized our American invasion. It was an 'honest' error, going for a river spot, but one that discarded a crucial military objective and explanation.The decision's been taken; no point in complaining about it. Let's work around it. ;)

It's not a "no citizen" rule in the mil thread, but what would be ideal for us (and perhaps the President) is to let the citizens speak freely here, and "summarize" either conclusions or options that are garnered here (Knight Dragon would be the logical 'summarizer' perhaps)OK. :) I'll keep an eye on the flow of the 'shoptalk' here. :D

I've specifically asked that feedback on our first draft plan for handling this Babylonian crisis and American invasion be made here (and the Civil Defense Board is discussing issues of defense, also important given we have NO city as a buffer south of Fox Nest)We shld found a city south of the Nest. Ideally we shld have a ring of cities around the capital since these'll be the most productive and least corrupted.....

I already figuerd out that this government was not elected. They're also up to averaging almost 15 turns per round rather than the constitutional 10. If the game goes to 2050 AD - 540 turns - there will only be 2 more terms at the 15 turns every other day rate. So much for democracy. But, it's a new thing and we're learning as we go, right? It is still fun - especially in the chat room! :)

I think joespaniel would do some damage given 6 immortals early enough!

YES - we do need a city south of Fox Nest - one that gets us some horses!

Well, I want to actually look at the game now...

Originally posted by donsig
But, it's a new thing and we're learning as we go, right? It is still fun - especially in the chat room! :)It's hardly a new thing. It has all been played before, in the Civ2 format. ;)

Unfortunately, we barely have any forum regulars participating actively here (unlike the older game). If you look at the Top 25 Posters (by postcount, not quality of posts :)) page, only joespaniel and me are here.

In the Civ2 game, we have so many regulars or used to. Ppl like Hippo, AoA, Dell, duke, Pell, CM, Sixchan, spycatcher, Ducky etc etc etc. Kind of missing them. :(

Ohwell and eyrei are close to the top 25 posters. I'm on page 3 of that list - SGs no doubt. :D Perhaps this democracy game will put some of us into the top 25...

...anyway, since we're not the top posters we are learnig as we go. See, I was right, again. Sometimes I amaze myself.

I took a look at the game and posted my conclusions and suggestion in the CDB thread. Seemed appropriate since defense has to be our number one priority now that we've been savagely accosted by the Babylonians.

I did find a way to sugest and offensive force though. (Surprise!)

Originally posted by donsig
Ohwell and eyrei are close to the top 25 posters. I'm on page 3 of that list - SGs no doubt. :D Perhaps this democracy game will put some of us into the top 25...

...anyway, since we're not the top posters we are learnig as we go. See, I was right, again. Sometimes I amaze myself.Not just top posters by postcounts. I mean those regular posters in the Colisseum section. Who posts regular (and many daily).

Anyway it's not that important. We got good people here too. Just wishing for more. :)

I took a look at the game and posted my conclusions and suggestion in the CDB thread. Seemed appropriate since defense has to be our number one priority now that we've been savagely accosted by the Babylonians.

I did find a way to sugest and offensive force though. (Surprise!)An offense is the best form of defense. ;) But unfortunately, we're not up to it yet.

wouldnt it make sense for our military to let other civs take on the babs as we still improve our infrastructure and defense?

if we get the neighbors of the babs on our side, we will have time to settle and to build defense while the babs will concentrate on the others. one of those will eventually die (good for us).

even our reputation would not go down, and also we maybe have a culture / city / production advantage over the other civs because they will concentrate on military.
we should not get amerika in the war on our side. this will maybe give us a chance to first build military and then get attacked by the americans if they go on babs side. then we could take their cities without loosing reputation with the others ;-)

i know the passive military tactics does not seem to be very popular here, but i just wanted to add my part to this "incident"

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon

Unfortunately, we barely have any forum regulars participating actively here (unlike the older game). If you look at the Top 25 Posters (by postcount, not quality of posts :)) page, only joespaniel and me are here.


I may not be one of the top 25 posters (number 63 to be exact, 4 posts after Zachriel and 39 ahead of VoodooAce) but I still consider myself a regular. You know, Knight-Dragon, you don´t have to spam like GengisK only because you visit here daily... ;)

Why I am not more active here? Well, I am unable to attend the chats and since the forum discussions have only minor impact on how the game is played I honestly see no reason in wasting too much time on posting here. If our government (or more specifically, our vice president who handles the chats) payed more attention to the will of the people present here but not participating in the chats, then I would be more active.

As for my thoughts on the current situation, I strongly suggest focusing on our war effort for the tim being. That includes giving up the Pyramids and building barracks followed by military units instead. That is necessary for us succeding in the war and is actually a better way for us to build wonders. Producing veteran troops means a better chance of getting leaders, who then could be used for wonder building. The net result is larger territory, more cities, more luxuries and resources, plus more wonders than we would else have. Never build any wonder from scratch this early in a game!

Originally posted by Mr Spice
I may not be one of the top 25 posters (number 63 to be exact, 4 posts after Zachriel and 39 ahead of VoodooAce) but I still consider myself a regular. You know, Knight-Dragon, you don´t have to spam like GengisK only because you visit here daily... ;)It's precisely becos ppl like you don't post here regularly that I lament the rarity of 'regular' posters. ;) :D To me, you're pretty 'regular' already in OT and so on. Other than some of the regular SG people, barely know anyone else.

I'm against giving up on the wonder at this point - we've got so much invested in it already. If we follow through and train our warriors as immortals then we will have a force to be reckoned with.

We must be careful about buying allies. The more we spend doing that the less we will have to retrain our warriors!

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Not just top posters by postcounts. I mean those regular posters in the Colisseum section. Who posts regular (and many daily).

Anyway it's not that important. We got good people here too. Just wishing for more. :)

An offense is the best form of defense. ;) But unfortunately, we're not up to it yet.

I have posted regularly since November in the CIV3 forums, and posted occasionally in the OT and humour forums. Seems your idea of a regular poster is someone who posts in the same forums as you.:rolleyes: Several of the members of this game have been regular posters in the civ3 forums, like myself, for some time, and many did post daily. Anyway, how did this discussion end up in the War Church. You guys aren't getting soft are you?

Originally posted by eyrei
I have posted regularly since November in the CIV3 forums, and posted occasionally in the OT and humour forums. Seems your idea of a regular poster is someone who posts in the same forums as you.:rolleyes: Several of the members of this game have been regular posters in the civ3 forums, like myself, for some time, and many did post daily. Anyway, how did this discussion end up in the War Church. You guys aren't getting soft are you? Have seen you around, eyrei. ;) Let's forget about it, OK. It's NOT important. <sigh>

The 'regulars' did use to post in the Civ3 forums until Civ3 came out and there's this huge deluge of new users (in the 100s) into the Civ3 section. And so many repeating threads, complaint threads etc until it becomes like a jungle, leading to an exodus of 'regulars' to outside the Civ3 zone. ;)

'Regulars' for me meant those who have been around here for awhile. In those days, we're more like a cosy little village, where everyone knows each other. Having 10-20 users online at once was almost a miracle. ;) :D

Yep, in a way, we are trying to be cuddly as some citizens lament the incredibly insulting and threatening tone of us warmongerers. ;)

It's a darn good thing we're building some temples. We'll need someplace to pray soon if we don't start building spearmen now!:eek:

It is a tough world we live in. I have advocated stopping work on the temple in Civinator but do have second thoughts about that one since it is so close to Egypt. You know how they are with temples and such.

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
And so many repeating threads, complaint threads etc until it becomes like a jungle, leading to an exodus of 'regulars' to outside the Civ3 zone. ;)



Yeah, that is exactly what happened to me. I think I have posted twice over there since this forum started up, and probably won't do more than glance at it until the next patch comes out. I haven't seen anything new there in months.:mad:

Anyway, as Donsig said, I intend to continue the temple in Civanator unless someone convinces me otherwise, or enough people voice objections, so if you object, which I am sure many of this group do, let me know.

eyrei: Cyc has endorsed switching Civinator from temple to spearmen. His post is in the city production summary thread.

General Charis has asked that we post feedback here and here is mine.:)

Building the horse/2 fish/2 gold/ 2 lux city in the south is a great idea. I've been lobbying to switch Eyr from temple to settler. It might reach the site before the Khatovar settler (which could then found a city on the east coast of Lake Phoenatica).

I'm not so sure buying the American map is the way to go right now. There's been no discussion about how much we'd be willing to pay for an ally against Babylon. Buying a map and bribing an ally leaves that much less gold to train our warriors as immortals. Note that training 8 will require 320 gold - most of what we have now! (Still not sure about the upgrade price but no one has come up with a different figure.) I would make upgrading the immortals a priority over the maps and the ally.

Assuming we can get the 8 immortals and assuming they don't have to fight off Babylonians, they should remain together when America is invaded.

I think we should end the Babylonian war before invading America. If we are lucky (and building our strength will help us be lucky) we may be able to end the current conflict before blood is shed.

I am wondering about the Military Dept.'s plans once we have some barracks completed. I have lobbied to switch Shailonegha's barracks to spearmen. If that barracks is comlete what is the plan for it? Will it be connected to the iron?

The 'regulars' did use to post in the Civ3 forums until Civ3 came out and there's this huge deluge of new users (in the 100s) into the Civ3 section. And so many repeating threads, complaint threads etc until it becomes like a jungle, leading to an exodus of 'regulars' to outside the Civ3 zone.

I joined in October after I got civ 2 for a b-day gift. I found the site on a search and I've been happy here.
I then found out that a civ 3 was in the works. I enjoyed the civ 3 forums.
Now it really is a jungle and I post there a lot less.
I just think people need to think more, whine less and speak less. Constructive complaining is ok if you are looking for a solution but just plain old whining, gets old quick. The civ 3 forums remind me of my college days meeting freshmen :p
I've also noticed a for of classes in the CFC forums. Newbies, the middle, and "regulars". Thats why I'm not sure if I like the post count thing or the date joined thing. Oh well.

Back on the topic, I really think we should get the other nations bordering the babylonians to war on the babylonians. It would give us time to really get set up for a blitz on the americans. As the historian/stats guy, I havn't noticed any immortals yet so what is everyone talking about? Are we putting the cart before the horse here?

Originally posted by Daaraa

Back on the topic, I really think we should get the other nations bordering the babylonians to war on the babylonians. It would give us time to really get set up for a blitz on the americans. As the historian/stats guy, I havn't noticed any immortals yet so what is everyone talking about? Are we putting the cart before the horse here?

I could not agree more with you about the alliances. It also carries the advantage of keeping our other neighbours ockupied, giving them less time to development and research. Plus, they are less likely to attack us. About the immortal, the plan is to upgrade our warriors to immortals as soon as we connect the iron, which will be done soon. We will then restrict the iron supply to one city with barracks, building veteran warriors elsewhere and send them to the iron city for upgrade. It cost less shields, which means we can build more in the same amount of time, but will require some money instead.

Attention fellow Knights of the War Church:

There is a poll concerning what should be built in Civinator. Please vote soon as turn chat time draws near!

We are now at war with Babylon, Iroquois, Aztecs, America, Greece and Rome!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Originally posted by Daaraa
I joined in October after I got civ 2 for a b-day gift. I found the site on a search and I've been happy here.
I then found out that a civ 3 was in the works. I enjoyed the civ 3 forums.
Now it really is a jungle and I post there a lot less.
I just think people need to think more, whine less and speak less. Constructive complaining is ok if you are looking for a solution but just plain old whining, gets old quick. The civ 3 forums remind me of my college days meeting freshmen :p
I've also noticed a for of classes in the CFC forums. Newbies, the middle, and "regulars". Thats why I'm not sure if I like the post count thing or the date joined thing. Oh well.Everybody was a newbie once. ;) Myself incl. Actually there's a time I stopped posting awhile for 1-2 months before succumbing to the CFC magic again one day and resumed. So close to curing myself. :cry:

Classes? Not really. Most of us here will value/judge/whatever you for your postings; rather than by your postcount or date joined. These don't really mean anything.

In fact, there're quite a few 'regulars'/'oldies' whom I'd rather not see here again. :( You post in OT; you shld know. :)

So close to curing myself.

Who are you trying to kid? What you you do at work all day if we weren't here to keep you amused?

BTW, did you hear that the war has widened a bit? Bloodshed and everything now!

Originally posted by donsig
Who are you trying to kid? What you you do at work all day if we weren't here to keep you amused?Well then, I would actually be able to get some work done. :p :D

BTW, did you hear that the war has widened a bit? Bloodshed and everything now!I fear this may well be the shortest game I have ever played. How did it happen? Probably something to do with the evil Babs, eh? :mad:

Alright, spears and swords now. No more improvement stuff. We can expect invasions fr all directions. :(

How did it all start? Babylon allied with the Iroquois. Next turn Iroquois allied with Aztecs. Next turn Aztecs allied with Americans. Next trun Americans allied with Greece. Next turn Greeks allied with the Romans. Next turn... will Romans ally with someone else?

We spent 59 gold establishing an embassy with Montezuma. He wanted over 200 gold to ally against the Babylonians. That would have severely limited out warrior retraining program so we went it alone and now we face the Domino Alliance.

Originally posted by donsig
How did it all start? Babylon allied with the Iroquois. Next turn Iroquois allied with Aztecs. Next turn Aztecs allied with Americans. Next trun Americans allied with Greece. Next turn Greeks allied with the Romans. Next turn... will Romans ally with someone else?Hey, doesn't that sound like in our Chinese SG? :lol: So what else is new?

Charis has posted The Plan. I think it's good; though haven't seen the game itself though, can't say for sure.

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Everybody was a newbie once. ;) Myself incl. Actually there's a time I stopped posting awhile for 1-2 months before succumbing to the CFC magic again one day and resumed. So close to curing myself. :cry:

Classes? Not really. Most of us here will value/judge/whatever you for your postings; rather than by your postcount or date joined. These don't really mean anything.

In fact, there're quite a few 'regulars'/'oldies' whom I'd rather not see here again. :( You post in OT; you shld know. :)

I've often thought that being a newbie is based on "maturity" rather than a specific timeframe. Yeah, I rememeber posting questions and then getting the "this-has-been-covered" thing and that is how I found out about the search etc. As far as CFC goes, there seems to be a real diffrence between the posters here and that other forum :) I like it here.
Thanks for clearing up the classes thing, I just noticed it a few times and I guess I can attribute it to bad apples on the tree. And yes, there are some "old" posters who I don't read as closly as others.

Back on topic, I'm not sure if we can count he game as being a short one yet. I just got out of my own domino type alliance war against me. I just think we weren;t strong enough militarily accoding to the advisors so therefore the coputer thinks we are weak.
Of course we all know that we are strong-willed and we are but a sleeping giant that has awakened and will crush all who oppose us! :D (Do we have a propaganda ministry? :) )

What if we threw a war and nobody came?:eek:

Originally posted by donsig
What if we threw a war and nobody came?:eek: Then we shall crash their party. :lol: America is just north of us. :)

Originally posted by Daaraa
I've often thought that being a newbie is based on "maturity" rather than a specific timeframe. Yeah, I rememeber posting questions and then getting the "this-has-been-covered" thing and that is how I found out about the search etc. As far as CFC goes, there seems to be a real diffrence between the posters here and that other forum :) I like it here.
Thanks for clearing up the classes thing, I just noticed it a few times and I guess I can attribute it to bad apples on the tree. And yes, there are some "old" posters who I don't read as closly as others.Newbieness here is based more on how closely you follow the boards I think. <shrugs> If you know your way around and post 'sensibly', you'll drop your 'newbieness' pretty quickly. And then, you'll be fair game. :D :mwaha:

If it helps, I still consider myself a newbie. :p This is the 1st and only msg board I am actively involved with.

now we have to look at THIS for two days. amazing

Originally posted by Cyc
now we have to look at THIS for two days. amazing Look at what? :confused:

The Great War has heated up. India tried extorting us. We refused and they declared war, though they are not part of the Domino Alliance.

Our Immortals have seen action. the evil Americans built a city near PDX and our glorious forces destroyed the illegal settlement. We have dispatched a unit of immortals to deny the use of horses to the Americans.

We have yet to see an enemy unit with an attack higher than 1.:)

That's good to know. :) The Americans seem weaker than I thought they would be. Let's crush them.

Sighted any encroaching forces fr the south?

Yes, there were 2 Roamin, I mean Roman, warriors to the south. I think one attacked a warrior scout we have in the area and our guys won!

We also lost 2 workers to barbarians. The workers were building a road to Shailonegha to bring incense into our cities.

Other bad news is that the Egyptian squatters settled right next to our proposed city of El Dorado. It is a shame the government did not listen to my suggestion in the CDB thread and switch the Eyr production from temple to settler even though a few turns would have been wasted while the settler waited till Eyr grew to size 3. The settler would have been built a few turns earlier and we would have beaten the Egyptians to the spot.

Don't worry bout it; the Egyptians just donated a future city to us. :D :mwaha: All we'd to do is to create some 'incident' and stoke up a war in the fut when we want that city. ;)

I want to know what the War Church thinks of my war plans. Including those for Shailnegha (at donsig's suggestion) to get Shailnegha to build a warrior every other turn to be upgraded in Pherris.

Originally posted by Falcon02
Including those for Shailnegha (at donsig's suggestion) to get Shailnegha to build a warrior every other turn to be upgraded in Pherris. Isn't that the original intention?

yes, but he updated my original plan with some micromanagement. However, I didn't really see how anyone would object to the minor change, it was just such a fresh thing, I felt like mentioning it.

wisdom from 'The Span of 9'

WAR IS INEVITABLE . . . TOLERANCE, COMPROMISE AND MERCY ONLY POSTPONE THE INEVITABLE.

VICTORY OR DEFEAT ARE THE ONLY OPTIONS . . . TRUE PEACE CAN ONLY BE GLEANED FROM TOTAL VICTORY.

CRUSH ALL OPPOSITION . . . STARTING WITH YOUR OWN CONSCIENCE.

TRUST AND LUCK ARE FAITHLESS . . . LIMERICKS FOR A FOOL'S EPITAPH.

BE NOT PREJUDICED . . . HATE EVERYBODY EQUALLY.


But then, how else could we joyfully gouge out the eyes of our
adversaries . . . just to prove how blinded to the truth they really are.



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RESISTANCE IS . . . DESIRED

Cool statements, Emmet. :D Care to join us?

Damn, that was quick!
I was still editing my response when I saw your reply.
I'm not that much of a 'joiner', but if the position of ADVISOR isn't taken, I'd be more than
satisfied with that . . . for the moment. ;) ES




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RESISTANCE IS . . . DESIRED

Originally posted by Emmet Samms
Damn, that was quick!
I was still editing my response when I saw your reply.
I'm not that much of a 'joiner', but if the position of ADVISOR isn't taken, I'd be more than
satisfied with that . . . for the moment. ;) ESThe Knights are a citizens' group, dedicated to militaristic pursuits. We are not connected to the govt or the running of the game; merely a discussion platform. Not sure what advisor you're referring to.

I am online most of the workday. :)

I am online most of the workday.

Yeah, but your workday is in the middle of the night!

Falcon02, Deputy Military Dept. Leader, is in serious need of a military rank. Since he works for General Charis, should he be a colonel? Or does Captain Falcon02 sound better? What say the Knights of the War Church?

And, yes, K-D, building warriors and upgrading them to immortals was the plan all along. I must say I had my reservations at first but now I love the idea. (I didn't think we'd have the cash to pull it off.) We have six immortals headed for Philly - they should have the city in 4 turns!

There's an Iroquois scout south of the capitol - too bad we can't catch him and get some info from him!

Just testing the waters, KD.
'The Span of 9' is my alter-ego . . . that part of me that I only unleash when I'm in the 'gaming' mode.
Sure, I'm agreeable to your invitation, so long as those "militaristic pursuits" are not "connected to" or against "the govt or the running of the game;" but "merely a discussion platform."
So tell me, is this the only thread we have going or what???





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RESISTANCE IS . . . DESIRED

Originally posted by donsig
Yeah, but your workday is in the middle of the night!Your night maybe but over here, it's as bright as.... day. :p And freaking hot.

Falcon02, Deputy Military Dept. Leader, is in serious need of a military rank. Since he works for General Charis, should he be a colonel? Or does Captain Falcon02 sound better? What say the Knights of the War Church?That's up to Charis. He's the boss. ;) I'd agree though cos he's the most dedicated deputy.

And, yes, K-D, building warriors and upgrading them to immortals was the plan all along. I must say I had my reservations at first but now I love the idea. (I didn't think we'd have the cash to pull it off.) We have six immortals headed for Philly - they should have the city in 4 turns!Maybe we can employ this idea in one of our SGs someday. Although we have done it small-scale before, but never as a major policy.

Originally posted by Emmet Samms
So tell me, is this the only thread we have going or what???Welcome onboard! :)

This is our group thread, for group stuff. Sort of like a private club. And also one of the discussion threads on the military for the nation. ;)

We don't have any others; one is sufficient.

Got'cha.
So now I'll just do what newbies are supposed to do . . . shut up and listen for a while. ES





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RESISTANCE IS . . . DESIRED

And the room goes deathly quiet . . . .
Ya know, when I was in college I used to say that "I can keep my mouth shut for 45 minutes . . . unfortunately my classes are 50 minutes long."
And so, with all that more or less in mind, here's a little about my playing style:

First off, I don't play with cultural, diplomatic or space race victories turned on. In fact, I don't even like dominance. If I wanted peace, love and understanding I'd go back to doing drugs. (I lived through the '60s; I just don't remember a lot about it. Even my tour in Vietnam is still pretty much of a blood-red blur.) And besides, who wants to lose a two week old game on any given turn to some civ with a better namby-pamby cultural score than you, or a civ that's better at diplomatic sucking up, or one that can put an oversized Tonka truck on some godforsaken planet somewhere. NO, my friends, conquest is what this game is all about for me.

And secondly, I don't like the 2050 deadline; no sir, I don't like it at all. On a huge map it always comes just when things are really starting to get intense and interesting. So, I use hwinkel's TCG savGame editor to fix that little oversight: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15620

I typically play on a huge map with 2 less civs than are available. (A little more leg room.) It seems that I always choose to be the Greeks; don't know why really; just do. In the beginning I go after the civ that always seems to be hassling me from right next door. In doing this I gain small towns without having to settle them, and hopefully retain most of my warriors. After I've eliminated that civ, I try my best to remain peaceful during at least the first two eras, since a prolonged war during the early part of the game will leave you far behind the rest of the world. (i.e. I once fought just such a war with Egypt, and in the end, even though I won, I was still left defending my cities with pikemen while the rest of the civs were tooling around with battleships, etc.)

I Build lots'a workers!!! There is nothing that I know of to get your civ moving faster and insure you remain competitive better than workers.

I hardly ever give anyone ROP (especially not to superior civs); it's a sure-fire way to be overrun by a 'friendly' expansionist or militaristic neighbor whose calculations show that he's stronger than you are. And he'll blind-side you, no matter what treaties you share, if he needs your resources. (Although I don't get too freaked out about units passing through my territory on their way to a war somewhere else; only when they start massing around MY cities....)

I pay tribute to stronger civs, but log it in my little black book for later pay-back. Be careful, tribute paid too often can lead to an invasion by just such a power. DON'T BE A TOTAL WIMP! If I don't want to deal with it, I just close out of the diplomatic screen with the 'I'm finished' option.

I NEVER settle a war (when I'm winning) without getting techs as part of the settlement. NEVER! (Duh, unless, of course, they don't have any to offer.)

Modern armor, modern armor, modern armor . . . just can't say enough about it. If you wanna dink around with other units you do it at your own peril. If you're fighting on a huge global scale you need to do some serious butt-kicking (taking out two or three cities on a single turn). Armies with ONLY modern armor in them is the way to go. (Armies move with the slowest unit, so all of them need to be modern armor.) I build the Heroic Epic & military academy, then I can build army generals in that city just like any other unit. It also allows you to load 4 units into your armies instead of 3. I just love stacks of enemy infantry and marines. They die with such valor.

I hide my navy until I need it. It seems that other civs become 'cocky' with theirs when you're not showing any on the board. Hell, they cruise right up next to your port cities to bombard you without thinking twice, and then don't bother to retreat very far. I destroyed over twenty English ships (battleships, cruisers, etc.) on a single turn by 'surprising' them in just this manner.

Worried about my standing with other civs??? Not where my own best interests are concerned. I attack when I have to, I need to, or I want to.

I don't use ICBMs unless they do. And if they do, I'll use them more often than not to take out their vital strategic resources like, say, their only uranium deposit, or their only two sources of rubber. This sure puts a crimp in their military unit production, and it takes time to clean up the pollution (it seems that the AI is, in all honesty, not too swift about assigning large numbers of workers to ANY task) and then build a road to reinstate the resource . . . time I can use to my benefit.

The games I play are long (two or three weeks . . . well over 150 hours) but I like them that way. Conquering a huge map is a rush of lengthy proportions, and it's scary, frustrating and intense.
I like scary, frustrating and intense.;) ES




.:alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :borg: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien:.

RESISTANCE IS . . . DESIRED

I'll join. I was a member in the Civ2 Game of Democracy. Why not this one too. I have always been a firm believer in the value of violent world conquest. Mere domination is for the under-ambitious. :rocket2:

Emmet Samms: I don't build alot of workers. I usually end up with so many captured one's I don't have build them after my first war.

China joins the Domino Alliance!

Massive barbarian uprising in the north!

Originally posted by omichyron
I'll join. I was a member in the Civ2 Game of Democracy. Why not this one too. I have always been a firm believer in the value of violent world conquest. Mere domination is for the under-ambitious. :rocket2: Welcome back, brother! :D We can always use a few more swords around here. :)

I like the part you said about domination is for the under-ambitious. :D :goodjob:

Originally posted by donsig
Emmet Samms: I don't build alot of workers. I usually end up with so many captured one's I don't have build them after my first war. I do; build them I mean. Like in our Japanese SG, even though we've like a ton of captured workers, still 'farming' workers fr those 12 pop cities of us and the colonial cities cos they're just working too slowly, even in stacks. I think I fielded at least 12 or more new workers. :)

We can always put them back after their 'national service' ends. ;)

Originally posted by donsig
China joins the Domino Alliance! So? :D One more, one less won't make much diff as long as they're all far far away......

Originally posted by donsig
Massive barbarian uprising in the north! North? In America? That could be helpful towards our war effort.....

I'd only be worried if it's a horsemen stack. And coming straight at us. :(

"Co-Pilot, you are authorized to open your information packet"

"Code 65F7A09... Target says Beijing!"

"...You sure?"

"Positive! Look at your packet too!"

"...uh..."

"Don't panic. Lets just go in, drop the payload, and leave. Not a big deal...."

Damn those Chinese. Well now is our chance to kill the known world! Of course, we need the proper forces.

:mwaha: Well it is us warmongers again... we seem to have the government wrapped around our finger! :mwaha: Lets kill em, boys!

Welcome Emmet and Omi! :)

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
North? In America? That could be helpful towards our war effort.....

I'd only be worried if it's a horsemen stack. And coming straight at us. :(

No, north of Eyr, 2 tiles to be exact, its a sturdy stack of 25 horsemen

Note: all the barbarians were held back from our great city of eyr, they were totally and utterly destroyed by our superior forces!

Originally posted by Immortal


No, north of Eyr, 2 tiles to be exact, its a sturdy stack of 25 horsemen

Note: all the barbarians were held back from our great city of eyr, they were totally and utterly destroyed by our superior forces!

D'oh! Well there goes our treasury... :(

Venturing deep into the corridor of the American empire, our deadly warriors crush all who oppose them. The defenders of New York scream in anguish: "What are these Immortal warriors? Can nothing defeat them" it is the last words to leave the lips of the defenders. New York has fallen....

Originally posted by Immortal
Venturing deep into the corridor of the American empire, our deadly warriors crush all who appose them, the defenders of New York scream in anguish: "What are these warriors? Can nothing defeat them" it is the last words to leave the lips of the defenders. New York has fallen....

Yeah! This is our moment of triumph! One of many, of course. ;)

On to Washington!

Originally posted by Immortal
Venturing deep into the corridor of the American empire, our deadly warriors crush all who oppose them. The defenders of New York scream in anguish: "What are these Immortal warriors? Can nothing defeat them" it is the last words to leave the lips of the defenders. New York has fallen.... YES! [dance] [party] :goodjob:

Now the rest of the world shall tremble at our Immortals!

Despite losing our treasury I think thinngs went well. We have a good map. We should take all of America and turn to face the rest!

We must remember that our golden age is over half over and our big surplus will shrink soon.

you must see it this way:
half of our golden age is yet to come!

Newbie Question,
are you all playing individual games and reporting on them as a
collective effort of the 'Empire' or is it just the Tequila?
:beer: ES




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RESISTANCE IS . . . DESIRED

Originally posted by Emmet Samms
Newbie Question,
are you all playing individual games and reporting on them as a collective effort of the 'Empire' or is it just the Tequila?:beer: ESNo, there's only one game and we've appointed a cabinet to run the game. Basically, the game is run based on the will of citizenry (that's us). That's why it's called a democracy game. :)

This entire forum serves to house all the discussions/workings relating to this game. ;)

Another turn chat goes belly up! guess these guys never heard the old saying, "The show must go on!"

Hmmm... Let's see now. the election process starts in a few days. Think I know what I'll base my votes on:

Can you make it to the turn chat on a regular basis and can you play the game?

Originally posted by donsig
Another turn chat goes belly up! guess these guys never heard the old saying, "The show must go on!"

Hmmm... Let's see now. the election process starts in a few days. Think I know what I'll base my votes on:

Can you make it to the turn chat on a regular basis and can you play the game? Well, don't look at me - I can never attend the chat; the timing difference is just too great. :p

I shouldn't complain all that much since I can't run the game either! (I can attend the turn chats here at work but can't play the game.:( )

I'm wondering if we're using a good time for the turn chats? Probably not since the main officials can't always attend.

Perhaps a different time slot would be better for everyone?

Yeah, the SGs are already taking up lots of my free time on the weekdays. :rolleyes: :)

Rather, I'd have the lot of us playing an MP game by email/hotseat. It'll be..... interesting to see how we fare against each other. I'd think whoever gets the best geography wins since we all (the SG regulars) know the same tricks more-or-less. :) :p

Plus, I mention to joe that the only unwinnable game he'd ever play is against me and he mumbled something bout sharpening swords and MP games. :lol: It was in that thread he whined about being stuck on a sizeable island all alone, quite a few mths back.

I wish we have hotseat MP soon. :D

Originally posted by donsig
I'm wondering if we're using a good time for the turn chats? Probably not since the main officials can't always attend.

Perhaps a different time slot would be better for everyone? The present time shld be OK since most players are fr America and Europe. It's just that we all have a life (OK, most do) and sometimes it intrudes on our world conquest ventures. ;) :lol:

It's just that we all have a life (OK, most do)

I thought that's why we were including deputies in the chain of command. More people in the CoC = better chance of the game proceeding.

I think we should pass a constitutional amendment forbidding government officials from having a life all on the same day. They'll just have to take turns.:lol:

I wish we have hotseat MP soon.

I dunno. Do you REALLY want to play against joespaniel's German panzers?

Originally posted by donsig
I dunno. Do you REALLY want to play against joespaniel's German panzers? We can ally and finish him off before he gets his Panzers. Or banish him to some smallish island. :lol: :crazyeye: :p

Maybe. :(

A pre-emptive strike? Could work. Bu I think he'd get allies, too! I don't know if I like the idea. Reminds me of when I wife and I used to play Age of Empires against each other. We had some marathon games because no one neither of us wanted to lose to the other. It turned out not to be a good thing if one of us did win.:rolleyes:

We eventually dediced it was best to just stay on the same team and kill the AI.:lol:

Still it would be interesting to have a game with no AI. The trading would be kind of hampered though in a hot seat game. I think there'd have to be some sort of stock exchange type of place where you could put stuff up for sale and advertise what you want to buy. Even that would be subject to the turn sequence. That brings to mind declaring war, making alliances and peace treaties, etc. Maybe a seperate round for this stuff somehow. When you think about this stuff it becomes clear why Civ III was released without multiplayer!

Originally posted by donsig
A pre-emptive strike? Could work. Bu I think he'd get allies, too! I don't know if I like the idea.Nah, just j/k. ;)

Anyway, I don't think any single player can really stand up to 2 determined human players for long. Or more. :) The AI allies you get may be unreliable too.

We can play an alliance game i.e. us against the AI. I'd hate to be the sole human player on a continent full of AI civs though. :lol:

We have concluded peace treaties with Rome, Iroquois, Aztecs, China and India.:(

Miami and Chicago annexed by Phoenatica!:)

Colonel Falcon02 has proposed (in the Foreign Affairs thread) that we make peace with Egypt (and ally with them against America, Iroquois, Greece and Babylon). Apparently Cleopatra will pay us over 100 gold to participate in this deal. The Colonel says we have nothing to lose by taking this deal.

I humbly point out that we have much to lose: Egypt. Yes, by making peace with Cleo we forego annexing her cities and her land!

We almost have the Heroic Epic done. We are building it so that we have a better chance of getting more great leaders. If we stop fighting we will get no more leaders. Egypt betrayed us already. They have land that it is our destiny to occupy. I urge my fellow knights of the War Church to oppose peace with Egypt!

I see your point, and I agree.

But.... My purpose wasn't just to declare peace with Egypt in particular and eventually stop this war. I just think it would be prudent to get SOMEONE to accept to this kind of deal. At the moment Egypt is the only one SirPleb investigated (I didn't investigate it myself). Since Egypt isn't a choice we should research into seeing if there are simular deals with other civilizations.

We don't need to find a deal where they will give us everything. I am willing to put some of the treasury to work twoards this purpose. Right now I don't have time to research into others. But to stop the chain reactions we need to find military alliances against our enemies.

America and Egypt (at least not now that donsig has pointed the error of this to me) aren't possiblities for this alliance, but anyone else, I feel would be adventagious.

I'd be wary of any deals after the betrayals we've recently suffered. It is worth investigating our options. Now that we've annexed most of America the other countries should realize we are stronger than before. This whole question is tied to how far we want our conquests to go which is sort of connected to how big and unwielding we want Phoenatica to become.

We should decide where we want our forbidden palace to be as this will define the borders we want for our country. Then we should fight until we get the palace built and secure those borders. We need to know what our war objectives are so we know which countries are good targets for peace and/or alliance negotiations and which are targets for our immortals!

Join Save our Citizens now! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21639)

The War Church has become inactive. Has the war lost it's lustre?

Anyway, now that Colonel Falcon02 is General Charis's boss, shouldn't the former be promoted? (We certainly cannot demote General Charis and he is still Deputy Military Leader, isn't he?)

well you need a cruel harsh warmonger with a fist ful of power the cruelty of a dictator and the will to do a genicide.
im now a member of the spice trader guild and i think its best that a good luxery is needed to make poeple happy while you draft them to defend your positions.
i will not join your church becuase my power alone would destroy this guild but i will support you in times of trouble.
now bow for me!

Originally posted by donsig
The War Church has become inactive. Has the war lost it's lustre?No, but war weariness had set in fr too much sword swinging. :) :p

We are merely restin gour swords to learn how to use lances and pikes in combat:D

I would like to join the War Church

Originally posted by Plexus
I would like to join the War Church Welcome! :D

I wish to join the War Church. I pledge complete and unwavering loyalty to the noble cause of impaling our enemies, burning their farms, and stealing their women!!:D

Originally posted by monk
I wish to join the War Church. I pledge complete and unwavering loyalty to the noble cause of impaling our enemies, burning their farms, and stealing their women!!:D Another true believer! Welcome, brother. :D

General Falcon took the helm of the ship of state and steered us to peace. Oh the irony of it all...

Peace in Republic is important. However, I don't expect peace to be permenant. Someone is bound to challenge us again, and we must be prepared for that challenge.

Originally posted by Falcon02
Peace in Republic is important. However, I don't expect peace to be permenant. Someone is bound to challenge us again, and we must be prepared for that challenge. Yes, peace is simply a state in which we are not at war. We shld use this time wisely to build up our forces and prepare for the next imminent war. :)

It is a pleasure to see so many fellow warmongors. I would like to join thee in the everlasting fight against our enemies. The master race should rule the world. We should rule the world together!:viking:

I would have to say that we should start concentrating our forces near the Chinese border and start whipping up the anti-chinese rhetoric. Those riders on the other side of the river are just waiting for us to put our guard down. We'll show them what it means to be a warrior! :D

Welcome, brother knight Elvind IV! It's good to find another true believer. :goodjob:

I would like to join the War Church.

While I'm here - I would like to draw members' attentions to the Foreign Affairs Dept. strategies with respect to ROPs - specifically the ROP with China. Please take a look at the discussions in the official FA (government) thread and also those in the (citizens) FA thread.

Do we really need to keep them happy with an ROP or the payment of gold?

Do we really need to keep them happy?

Our esteemed Foreign Secretary has called for an expression of citizens' views about this, so I would encourage all to express themselves.

I don't think we need to keep them happy and we certainly shouldn't be paying them gold while their riders prance up and down our territory.

I'm nuetral right now on the RoP thing. Chines workers have been building roads for us! Once our defenses are a little better we can do away with the RoP for sure!

Welcome, brother knight Lecky!

The way I see it; them Chinese will cross our territory RoP or no RoP. Might as well get them to move thru faster with an RoP. No point in provoking them or earning a little goodwill if we aren't going to do anything 'permanent' to them in the short term. ;)

I just wanted all my old friends in the War Church to know that I haven't forgotten them now that I'm president!

Join the Knights of the War Church!

the founder or the leader of this citizen-group should register the group in the citizen-group registry (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23800)!

Originally posted by donsig
I just wanted all my old friends in the War Church to know that I haven't forgotten them now that I'm president!

Join the Knights of the War Church! Brother donsig, just wish to let you know you'll have the full might of the War Church behind you all the way. :) Wish you well in your new office.

i hope the mighty knights also have read the thread of "the crusaders"! i hope you join or holy mission. to the benefit of the one, to the benefit of all phoenatican citizens, the children of the gods!

Honourable Knights of the War Church,

A bloody conflict surrounds our SE lands, a conflict which we may - for better or worse - be drawn into. Our military needs our support in order to meet any call which may be made on us to defend our homelands and smite our enemies.

Lobby for the miliary - lobby hard, early, often and low!

The Iroquois are getting hammered by the Greeks. Kashmir will soon be sorrounded by Greeks! Be prepared brother knights!

Our brother knights have spoken; the time for glory is at hand. Prepare yourselves for glory is imminent! :D

Are we going to poke a feet in?

Maybe we should put our minds towards the iroquois. They have some fine lands, our holy lands. And a city with some important wonders: Salamanca. For example leos is there ;-)
This will also put us in a good position to surround the chinese and throw them of our continent.

Originally posted by disorganizer
Maybe we should put our minds towards the iroquois. They have some fine lands, our holy lands. And a city with some important wonders: Salamanca. For example leos is there ;-)
This will also put us in a good position to surround the chinese and throw them of our continent. What!? There're still squatters on OUR land? Then now is the time to persuade them to leave. With swords if necessary!

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
What!? There're still squatters on OUR land? Then now is the time to persuade them to leave. With swords if necessary!

Even better - we have guns now! :D

What?

An early industrialized democracy taking the land of a technologicaly inferior race of indiginous people?

That would never happen...

;)

Dunno quite how to do this, but count me in. With a strong government backed up by a stronger military, our empire will prosper.

If all else fails, beat it with a big stick.

Originally posted by Grandmaster
Dunno quite how to do this, but count me in. With a strong government backed up by a stronger military, our empire will prosper.

If all else fails, beat it with a big stick. Welcome, Grandmaster! :) Although sad to say, we're pretty much inactive now, we'll always need people to carry the torch. :D

Diplomacy is best achieved by haing bigger sticks than the other guy. Then, if they don't run in fear, you can get rid of them altogether.

I'd like to pledge my support for the War Church!!
:goodjob:

Originally posted by Almightyjosh
Diplomacy is best achieved by haing bigger sticks than the other guy. Then, if they don't run in fear, you can get rid of them altogether.Well-said! :goodjob: Welcome onboard. :)

The mayor of Delphi (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26435) hopes the STG will open a branch office or hopefully even the main office of this fine group in our city, as we have a war going on right on our front-door. Our city is positioned on a stategic spot right on the edge to the agressors.

Also, our city offers the finest recreational areas of whole phoenatica, from snowboarding to surfing, for sport and family.

As the new Gov. of Asphinxia, I would like to extend the invitation to all of my brothers in arms to come and visit our glorious province and be beguiled by it's beauty. Feel welcome to visit my summer home in Thebes!

I am delighted that our Immortals are still defeating Greek infantry. I guess our UU is aptly named!

I thought the greatest achievement of my presidency would have the theory of evolution, the National Railway Sysytem or the building of Hoover Dam but the capture of Thessalonica by our Immortlas stands out the most in my own mind. :)

Originally posted by disorganizer
The mayor of Delphi (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26435) hopes the STG will open a branch office or hopefully even the main office of this fine group in our city, as we have a war going on right on our front-door. Our city is positioned on a stategic spot right on the edge to the agressors.STG? :confused:

Spice Traders Guild. :)

Hmmm, but why is disorganizer posting something about the STG in this thread? Error? :)

I would like to join[plasma]

I would call upon all members of the War Church to support the City name change I am proposing. The city of Thebes should be re-named Victory, to celebrate our glorious military past (and hopefully future too!!). War Church members are not compelled to vote for this change, but it seems strongly linked to the aims and principals of the War Church!!

Can I join?? that is all.

Waterz, anyone who wants to join can (I've been a member since the begaining of the Civ III demogame) But, I've been too busy managing our army to actually participate much here.

We should plant spies in other nations to determine their strength and have established contacts in the event of war (oh we can only pray!!). Vote for planting spies NOW!!!

I'm glad to see the War Church is still getting new members. Welcome everyone!

Originally posted by donsig
I'm glad to see the War Church is still getting new members. Welcome everyone! Warmongering is a pretty popular activity and pastime in Civ3, as you shld know. Welcome all! :D

My fellow brother knights, gladden me heart to see us still going strong.

I shall add all yer names to our list. Still getting new members after all this time. <shakes head>

War with the Iro's has Arisen, the Treaturous Iro's launched a surprise attack against us temporarily taking PDX. This MUST be avenged!!!

The crusade has finally begun! Huray! Praise the one!

We told you before, didnt we? Join the crusaders now! Fullfill your duty!

Some of us have duties that prohibit participation at the front, but we will still give the war all the support we can!!

Can I join cause im a war general i wat to change my bottom post to:KILLER OF OTHER CIVS how do i do this????

Welcome :)civ2!

To change your signatue click on 'user cp' near the top of the page. Then I think you must click on 'edit profile' to find and change your signature.

For up to date News and Current Affairs, read the Asphinxian Times (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=383681#post383681)
Released almost every day, despite the name!!

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wrong thread. :)

Thanks for showing me how to change that.:)

Originally posted by :)civ2
Can I join cause im a war general i wat to change my bottom post to:KILLER OF OTHER CIVS how do i do this???? Of course! All are welcome!

War is the only sure way to win. :)

I KNOW!I'M NEW TO PLAYIN THE GAME AND I ALLWAYS WIN OF DOMINATION WITH NUKES KAAABOOOOOOM!

i, chairman of the apolyton hawk party extend an arrow (thats all we have there) in friendship to this military oriented citizen group. your 'tanks' and 'bombers' intrigue our best scientific minds. perhaps one day, we too shall 'drop bombs' employ strange 'nukes' and construct large iron galleys named 'battleships'

Thanks, jdd2007! May the warmongers and militarists 'make' the people 'see' reason everywhere on the Net. :D

I like the large iron galleys description. :goodjob:

how do you power your armored catapults you have named "tanks" ?

how in the world do they move themselves?

We get members of the Phoenatican Pacifists to push them!!

All hail the war church!

Originally posted by jdd2007
i, chairman of the apolyton hawk party extend an arrow (thats all we have there) in friendship to this military oriented citizen group.

[DARTH VADER VOICE] Welcome to "the dark side" young Skywalker...[/DARTH VADER VOICE]

;) Seriously, thanks for dropping in. Welcome.

Didnt Chieftess start a history thread of the empire somewhere?

I cant seem to find it...

Why don't PM Chieftess? I think donsig started one too, during his term as Prez. There's also a history dept somewhere I think.

Shld be on the main forum.

There's a chat log thread in the main forum page. Also, I put a summary in the term 5 presidential thread.

What about those flying metal birds that can shoot muskets rapidly?How do you make them fly?Are they human controled?

:)civ2, I'll give a technical explination if you want, but I'm not sure you're really interested or not.

Ahh, why not I've already typed up an explination. So here it is. I apologize if it just confuses you.



Planes fly because of the shape of their wings. The top of the wing is curved while the bottom is flat. As air passes the wing, the air on top travels faster than the air underneath, causing a decrease of the pressure of the air above the wing, while the air below remains the same pressure. This difference in pressure causes air beneath the wing to push up on the wing as it tries to equal out the pressure, causing lift.

“Why does the shape speed up the air on top?” you might ask. Well, I struggled with this problem for the longest time myself and eventually found the answer. The air both on top and bottom has to travel the length of a wing in the same amount of time. The curve on top forces the air traveling above the wing to go distance along the curve, which is longer than the straight distance from the front of the wing to the end of the wing, because it bulges out. This means the air on top must travel faster, then using the Bernoulli principle that increased speed translates into decreased pressure, causing the pressure difference and lift. Sort of like cutting a solid object, like butter, with an oddly shaped knife (like an airfoil, or wing cross-section), when you cut it the butter molecules that were aligned before being cut will be roughly aligned after the knife passes by.

Originally posted by joespaniel
Didnt Chieftess start a history thread of the empire somewhere?

I cant seem to find it...

Here's the one I started. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25102)

It has summaries from terms three and four.

Lately, the turns have been so peaceful, that it's hard to find anything to write about. :)

Originally posted by Falcon02
Ahh, why not I've already typed up an explination. So here it is. I apologize if it just confuses you.



Planes fly because of the shape of their wings. The top of the wing is curved while the bottom is flat. As air passes the wing, the air on top travels faster than the air underneath, causing a decrease of the pressure of the air above the wing, while the air below remains the same pressure. This difference in pressure causes air beneath the wing to push up on the wing as it tries to equal out the pressure, causing lift.

“Why does the shape speed up the air on top?” you might ask. Well, I struggled with this problem for the longest time myself and eventually found the answer. The air both on top and bottom has to travel the length of a wing in the same amount of time. The curve on top forces the air traveling above the wing to go distance along the curve, which is longer than the straight distance from the front of the wing to the end of the wing, because it bulges out. This means the air on top must travel faster, then using the Bernoulli principle that increased speed translates into decreased pressure, causing the pressure difference and lift. Sort of like cutting a solid object, like butter, with an oddly shaped knife (like an airfoil, or wing cross-section), when you cut it the butter molecules that were aligned before being cut will be roughly aligned after the knife passes by. I was just kidden like the metal catupults :rolleyes: I allready know how they fly i watch enough DWC(Disscovery wings channel) to know how they fly and why the wing creates lift though that is an good explanation.:)

Thanks, that's why I initially asked if you "REALLY" wanted to know. I typed it up in preperation for a responce, then figured... "what the heck, might as well post it." So, I did.

Yeah, but a more difficult question is why do planes without wings not fly?? What makes them not fly?? (gravity is too easy, I want more detail mwahahaha)

Gravity yes,and you need some type of surface to create lift,power to get the surface to lift and it dosen't have to have a wings.Heilicopters for example they don't need wings they have the rottery blade.

I humbly think you guys shld keep to the matter at hand when posting. This is the War Church, not the Science Guild or something. All technical matters shld be weopans-related.... :D J/k.

Originally posted by Chieftess
Lately, the turns have been so peaceful, that it's hard to find anything to write about. :) Then perhaps you'll need to heat things up a little with a good war or two. :D

So, you're suggesting to leave a city unoccupied for a turn? ;)

I would like all members of the war-church to join
THE FANATIKAN ORDER
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30266

on the new forum.