Okay, you guessed it. I want to do a mod using the current engine for South America.

Here's a sneak peak at rough draft of the map (all i could get done tonight)
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l158/ringworldwu/samericaSCSHT.jpg

I have decided to have 8 Civs. It will be Four "Rebel" and Four "Government" Civs.

I know it sounds lame to be so reductionist, but i want all of the civs to be playable ;)

So what I need now is to get Civ's and Leaders First. Any suggestions?

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reserved for future use too

That's a lot of mountain, any civ there will have a difficult time.

yeah, that map is unplayable as it is, this is just the first result from the BMP-->WBS converter!! ;)

Way to go! It will be difficult with such few civs, but let's go...


GOVERNMENTS:
*Brazil - President Lula
(except Amazonia and the South) Capital Brasilia
*Argentina - President Kirchner
(except the province of Corrientes, which is Gaucho) Capital Buenos Aires
*Chile - President Bachelet
(except the north - Antofagasta and Arida - which are Bolivian) Capital Santiago
*Plan Colombia - President Uribe
(including Lima-Peru, Ecuador and Colombia except the east, which is Amazonian) Capital Bogota

REBELS:
*Amazonian Revolutionary Front - Commander Marulanda
an extended FARC, going deep into the jungle until Brazil, great part of Peru, eastern part of Colombia and southern Venezuela. Capital Leticia
*Bolivarian League - Colonel Chavez
the whole of Venezuela, Guyane and Suriname (but not French Guyane!) Capital Caracas.
*Republic of Pampas - President Irton
the Greater Gaucho plains, including the southern states of Brazil, the argentine province of Corrientes, Uruguay and southern Paraguay. This one should be right-wing and not allied to the others... Capital Caxias.
*Native Bolivia - President Morales
all of Bolivia, south of Peru, north of Chile and north of Paraguay. Capital Sucre.

You should really consider having a foreign civ in the game, such as USA. It would control Panama, French Guyane and the Falklands, be kinda neutral (not at war) and have a great deal of military force.


I will post ideologies later...

OK then, roughly:

=SOCIAL-DEMOCRACY
Argentina and Chile

=LIBERAL POPULISM
Brazil

=BOLIVARIANISM
Bolivarian League

=LIBERAL
Pampas

=NEO-LIBERAL
Plan Colombia

=INDIANISM
Bolivia

=SOCIALISM
Amazonian Front


If 7 is ok. If you can only put 6, just merge Populism with Social Democracy. If you can put 8, then Chile would go with:

=SOCIAL LIBERAL

I will post why I chose those civs/ideologies tomorrow.

this is great. i am excited about this one!! I will probably use all of the units and techs as second rev 2.0, except new UU's.

Thats also important, one UU per civ.

Short history:
(I'm a non-native English speaker so there may be some translation issues)

Things weren't looking good for Colombia's President Uribe after Washington cut the military support for the South American nation to fight its escalating war against leftist guerillas in the eastern part of the country. The so called FARC (Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia) took the chance with the US busy fighting the Rebels in their own land, and started a quick expansion program in the region. Popularity rose among Amazonian peasants specially in Brazil, as Comandante Marulanda droped the 'Colombian' and started to seek a greater role for his guerrila, founding the Frente Amazonica (Amazonian Front). The Front organized a mass rally in the Brazilian amazonian capital of Manaus, and the alarmed elites and military officers pressed Brazilian President Lula for a reaction. Unable to hold the military for any longer, Lula ordered the troops to disperse the protest with non-lethal weapons. The situation quickly got out of hand though, and the rally became an urban war with severe casualties for the both sides. The Amazonian Front withdrew from Manaus; civilian deaths were in the thousands.

Shocked by this massacre, the Brazilian society went to the streets to ask for an explanation for the government, and the whole country went to nearly civil war. Again capitalizing on the enemy's weakness and secretly helped by Venezuelan President Chavez and President Morales from Bolivia, the Front prepared a full-scale invasion of the Amazonian jungles and cities and declared independence of the Amazonian region, claiming a new country was to be founded as soon as the war was over. Fearful of the Front's expansion, President Uribe called the neighboring nations to form a tight alliance against what they called leftist terrorism; what happened next was a de facto annexation of Ecuador and western Peru, including the capital Lima. A state of excession was declared and all the American military equipment in the area was taken 'to further accomplish the objectives of Plan Colombia'. Relations with Venezuela deeply worsened.

Sensing a greater movement was to be taken by Uribe's new formidable army, Chavez and Morales sealed a closed alliance against any attack from Colombia. Suriname and Guyana joined later, only to be fully annexed by Venezuela. Morales' indianist program was also popular with native villagers from southern Peru and northern Paraguay and soon gained actual control of these areas. He then turned to an old demand: the passage to the Pacific Ocean, long taken by Chile in the War of the Pacific. The Bolivian army, with the new help from Peruvian native warriors and Venezuelan soldiers, conquered the Chilean city of Antofagasta and opened their dreamed passage to the sea. A bloody war was on its way.

In the South, the weakness and corruption of the Brazilian government awakened separatist movements throughout the land. Though almost all states had a rebellion of any type, the peculiar culture of the Brazilian pampas lent help to the strongest. Following a federalist election in Uruguay the Movement for the Independence of the Pampas used the massacre of Manaus to denounce the government's dictatorship tendencies. In a traditional liberal region, the Southern middle class organized peaceful protests in various cities and were able to convince the population of the legitimacy of their pleas. With political support from the Uruguayan senate and the Corrientes land owners, a young professor named Irtan Marx declared the independence and immediately went to war against Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil. Paraguay soon capitulated and the Republic of Pampas gained strength with the land owners militia controlling the roads and cities. The country was officially on revolution, together with the whole continent.

That is cool, and i think it will be the text shown when the game starts (we will have to edit grammar and spelling, but not much)

now that we have the leagues, we need national borders. Can you perhaps come up with a map showing only south america's political boundaries shown, and then draw the rebel holdings over it, so i can make the map for the mod.

Sure thing:

http://www.losers.blogger.com.br/Second Revolution.jpg

Yellow = Amazonian Front
Orange = Greater Bolivia
Soft red = Chile
Pink = Argentina (sorry hermanos! :lol: )
Dark blue = Pampas
Dark red = Plan Colombia Alliance
Soft blue = Bolivarian League

Black stars are capitals (kinda) as stated. City of Manaus should be surrounded by Front troops :eek: . Infra-structure in the Amazon is VERY bad (road to Manaus is full of 'holes'). The Amazon River should definately be sailable. Panama Channel is also available.

DIPLOMATIC STATUS
Brazil allied with Argentina in WAR against the Republic of Pampas.
Chile in WAR against Bolivia.
Amazonian Front in WAR against Colombia and Brazil (locked war!).
Venezuela very friendly towards the Amazonian Front and Bolivia and angry with Brazil and Chile.
Everybody angry with Colombia (hey, they annexed Ecuador and Peru!).
Everybody neutral with Pampas (except Brazil and Argentina, which are very pi$$ed off).
Brazil furious with Bolivia.

this is great. i can see this mod coming together already. the last thing i would need is a city map of s. america that shows major regional cities and their names. this way i can build the empires

I know it's kinda boring, but the best thing would be to google-search maps for Brazil and Colombia and other countries and just use major cities.


Also, for UU's:

BRAZIL
-Cascavel
Light recon tank, kinda like the Bradley (but GREEN!)
Starts with Drill
http://www.enemyforces.com/apc/cascavel.htm

AMAZONIAN FRONT
-Guerrila
Starts with Woodsman 3x

PLAN COLOMBIA
-Huey helicopter
+10% Strength
+20% against Infantry

VENEZUELA
-Paratrooper
Chavez came from these regiments, and increased their power once president.
Starts with Guerrila x1
+50 defending city
(should be able to para-troop, but I don't think that's possible in Civ4 :( )

GREATER BOLIVIA
-Quechua Scout
Should have lots of movement bonus
+20% strength

ARGENTINA
-Intelligence Unit
Argentina has a tradition of efficient intelligence services. This could be an infantry unit with visibility bonus, or something like that...

PAMPAS
-Gaucho
This is standard cavalry, but with great bonus against infantries and a city attack bonus.

CHILE
-Mountain Infantry
Starts with Guerrila x3

Perhaps we can have a british faction based of the falklands islands? If not for offencive reasons, at least for defencive ones. Perhaps barbarian.

Edit: We could also give it a "resupply" wonder, that give it oil, aluminium, coal, etc. All it needs to be a fully functional nation. Although we could also attach these to the British capital if you make it a faction.

BRAZIL
-Cascavel
Light recon tank, kinda like the Bradley (but GREEN!)
Starts with Drill
http://www.enemyforces.com/apc/cascavel.htm

AMAZONIAN FRONT
-Guerrila
Starts with Woodsman 3x


I like these :goodjob: i even have one of those units already made!


PLAN COLOMBIA
-Huey helicopter
+10% Strength
+20% against Infantry


we will need a model for this one. we must check the forums to see if anyone has already done this, and see what artists might be willing to make it for us.

VENEZUELA
-Paratrooper
Chavez came from these regiments, and increased their power once president.
Starts with Guerrila x1
+50 defending city
(should be able to para-troop, but I don't think that's possible in Civ4 :( )
I dont really like this one. Especially since they dont even have the rudiments of code for this for civ4 warlords. Some people are working on getting this to work, but remember just cause you make it work, doenst mean that the AI will ever do it.
Can we think of something more related to the image of Bolivarian rebels.


GREATER BOLIVIA
-Quechua Scout
Should have lots of movement bonus
+20% strength

Is this related to the civ4 unit for Huayna in the Incan civilization? Or is this a modern unit with gunpowder?


ARGENTINA
-Intelligence Unit
Argentina has a tradition of efficient intelligence services. This could be an infantry unit with visibility bonus, or something like that...

what kind of graphic would best represent this?


PAMPAS
-Gaucho
This is standard cavalry, but with great bonus against infantries and a city attack bonus.

CHILE
-Mountain Infantry
Starts with Guerrila x3
I like these too, and i think some graphics will be avalible.

Any more ideas on these units?

Perhaps we can have a british faction based of the falklands islands? If not for offencive reasons, at least for defencive ones. Perhaps barbarian.

Edit: We could also give it a "resupply" wonder, that give it oil, aluminium, coal, etc. All it needs to be a fully functional nation. Although we could also attach these to the British capital if you make it a faction.

I was thinking about giving the falklands to argentina. I think that is the country that has de facto control, in lieu of british colonialism.

I support the presence of a Northern civ in this mod, preferably an 'European Union' civ. It would be based on Cayenne, French Guyana, and have a nice army and navy throughout the map. The Malvinas could be in their hands too, but relations with Argentina will be "furious".

we will need a model for this one. we must check the forums to see if anyone has already done this, and see what artists might be willing to make it for us.
I thought you already had something like this. If it causes trouble, just replace it with the Apache. The idea is to having north-american equipment fighting for Colombia.


I dont really like this one. Especially since they dont even have the rudiments of code for this for civ4 warlords. Some people are working on getting this to work, but remember just cause you make it work, doenst mean that the AI will ever do it.
Can we think of something more related to the image of Bolivarian rebels.


Ok, we can use Chavez' Revolutionary Guard assembled by him last year. The stats would be the same; they should be cheap, weaker than regular infantry and have great defensive abilities.


Is this related to the civ4 unit for Huayna in the Incan civilization? Or is this a modern unit with gunpowder?
I was thinking about that. Can we make a quechua scout... with an AK-74? :)

what kind of graphic would best represent this?
More like mafia, men in suits armed with pistols. These agents aren't really military units, they're more like political police. If there's no anim for that, you can throw the American SEALS anim anyway.

I like these too, and i think some graphics will be avalible.
I was thinking about the standard Cavalry, period. But if you find anything more interesting, it would be fine. Think about big landlords and shotguns... something like that.

Any more ideas on these units?

I have some ideas for general units, mostly name changes to reflect the region military, and they're available to everyone:
-AMX (fighter, use the anim for the F-16)
-TUCANO ("obsolete fighter", use their anims, but make it tougher... the Tucano is probably the best prop fighter ever!)
-JUNGLE INFANTRY (available to all, starts with Woodsmen 1x)
-CONDOR (cruise missile, use its anim)
-PUMA (use any type of medium tank)
-MIRAGE (use the Mig or jet fighter anim; every single south american country has these)

More comments on the military:

=BRAZIL
Kinda weak military. Lots of regular infantry and nice airforce (probably the best in the region), but few thanks and specialized units. Navy is also poor, some 7 destroyers, 2 battleships, 4 subs and 2 aircraft carriers. Military is very concentrated in the south, so the Pampas should have a bad time with Brazil, while the Front has the upper hand on the Amazon...

=ARGENTINA
Few infantry too, lots of Intelligence officers. Good naval force compared to Brazil, give them some 12 destroyers and 6 subs. Also a good set of Marines, perhaps a transport full of them. They also lead the region with their Condor missile program. Most of their military is in the Buenos Aires region.

=VENEZUELA
Lots of infantry! Venezuela's military expanded greatly with Chaves, so don't be shy with infantry, some tanks and several helicopters. Airforce is the weak point there. If you're feeling evil, you can give them a secret nuke... :mischief:

=BOLIVIA
Much like Venezuela, but weaker. No Navy and very poor airforce, but good infantry. Focus these units in the "North Chilean" invaded region, so that the capital is rather vulnerable to a Brazilian/Argentine attack. Bolivia has lots of oil, just like Venezuela.

=AMAZONIAN FRONT
Lots and lots of infantry, maybe some jeeps and light tanks. If you're following my suggestion by making the Amazon river navigable at least until Manaus, give them a destroyer sieging the city.

=PLAN COLOMBIA
The greatest armoured force in the region, though poor in infantry. Some helis and jet fighters too, and good Navy.

=PAMPAS
Lots and lots of Gaucho cavalry. Southern people have a great sense of territory and will take arms to defend their homes; while most of them have a strong connection with the cattle raising plains. Some tanks and tucanos (there was a huge brazilian base on Canoas, which was captured) but no navy at all.

what kind of unit for venezuela besides the paratrooper?

And what about a spy unit that can attack for Argentina?

Venezuela = Chavez' Revolutionary Guard, check my post...
Argentina = great idea! don't know how it would work, but if you do manage it, it's gonna be great.

=VENEZUELA
Lots of infantry! Venezuela's military expanded greatly with Chaves, so don't be shy with infantry, some tanks and several helicopters. Airforce is the weak point there. If you're feeling evil, you can give them a secret nuke...

I don't think that airforce should be week they've bought a lot of su-35 some months ago...

Although thought of a feature of bying equipment from Europe/UsA/Russia for gold without any resource requiments and which arrive in the capital several tuns after bying. What do think?

As Garrett said, the AI may not use it.

And the whole idea is to keep foreign influence limited, as the US is fighting their own Second Revolution, and probably Europe too.

And remember, NO ICBMS for this mod!
At least no in the begining...

I plan on starting it on the tech tree with every civ only having Obsolete tech. What modern units they have will be irreplaceable. Im gonna finish the map now.

there is a new version for the geographical map. Check it out in the World Builder! it is here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=144188&d=1165945985)

it still needs rivers, branching off the navigable amazon. It also needs resources. For acurate resources, i would need the major exports and the main crops of each country.

(btw, i am making a narcotics resource: Coca)

Here it is!! The Coca Plant Resource!!!
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l158/ringworldwu/coco.jpg

download here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3765)

Great!

I'll post some resources here this week... I'm also working on additional music for the mod.

what we need will be some good UU's for the civ's, to supplement the current ones.

hehe nice resources - now we need some army forces to pillage plants :) - give it big cash bonus :)

DUDE PERFECT AVATAR BTW!

yeah, everything about this resource says +10 gold yield. Pillage should give at least the worth of one load of drugs, since the government will just sell what they dont burn :p

See this for the Chilean Army: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_Army

Its amazing what you can find in wikipedia.

thats good, thank you. i could reskin the seal for that pic

AS FOR RESOURCES:
=OIL
Brazil (in platforms only, near Rio de Janeiro)
Argentina (in the extreme south, near Tierra del Fuego)
Venezuela (in Maracaibo and other places, lots of oil!)
Bolivia (in the eastern part)
Chile (in the south too)
other countries should get their oil from deals?

=COAL
Pampas
Chile
Argentina
Bolivia
Colombia?

=BANANA, SPICES, DYES, GEMS
everywhere in the Amazon (Front, Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia, etc.)

=SOY (should make this one)
Brazil (near Cuiaba)
Bolivia (in northern Paraguay)
Pampas (everywhere)

=CATTLE and HORSES
Pampas (everywhere)
Argentina (in the west, near Cordoba)
Chile
Brazil (near Brasilia)

=SUGAR
Brazil (northeast, near Salvador)
Venezuela (north)
Colombia (north)

=GOLD
Chile (Andes)
Bolivia (Andes)
Brazil (some in Amazonia)

=WINE
Argentina (near Cordoba)
Chile
Pampas

IDEA:

TOURISM resource. Should award big trade and some production. To explore it build a RESORT (which would maybe generate pollution or unhappiness?).

Should have in:
Brazil (Rio and Salvador)
Pampas (Porto Alegre)
Argentina (Buenos Aires and Bariloche)
Chile (Santiago and Maipo)
Colombia (Macchu Picchu)
Bolivia (Titicaca Lake)
Venezuela (Isla Marguerita)

Some music ideas. Most are brazilian so we'll probably need more from other countries. You did such a superb job on the first mod soundtrack that I think we mustn't fail with this one. I have all the songs on my soulseek, my nickname is Bianezzi.

Molotov - Puto
Molotov - La revolucion no se televisara
Engenheiros do Hawaii - Herdeiro da pampa pobre
Devotos - Punk rock hard core
DJ Camilo Rocha & DJ Yah - Batucada (look for the City of God soundtrack for this one)
Mundo Livre S/A - O outro mundo de Chicão Xucuru
Mombojó - Desencanto
Hino Rio-Grandense (Rio-Grandense Anthem, great song for the Pampas)
Le Tigre - Get off the Internet
The International Noise Conspiracy - Capitalism stole my Virgnity
Thievery Corporation - Marching the Hate Machines
The Clash - Koka Kola
Funk como le Gusta - Funk de Bamba
365 - São Paulo
Cólera - Histeria

yeah, lets do soulseek sometime when we are both online.

good job on the resources. im planning a few days in the future to start the preliminary mod. i will need civilopedia entries for the civ's. and i will probly have some new units that will need them too.

IDEA:

TOURISM resource. Should award big trade and some production. To explore it build a RESORT (which would maybe generate pollution or unhappiness?).

Should have in:
Brazil (Rio and Salvador)
Pampas (Porto Alegre)
Argentina (Buenos Aires and Bariloche)
Chile (Santiago and Maipo)
Colombia (Macchu Picchu)
Bolivia (Titicaca Lake)
Venezuela (Isla Marguerita)

I don't really think that is a good idea to have it like a resource, rather, make it an overlay (like flood plain) and have it give unhealthyness.

This is because I REALLY can't see why/how you could trade a tourism resource. Also, it is a strictly local resource, I feel.

Besides, what with the countries being in turmoil and all, I can't imagine there to be too many tourists. And since the US, (and hopefully soon Europe) are also 'being reformed', that doesn't leave many places for the tourists to come from. (I realize there's still Asia, but I'm sure it's just a matter of time until that mod is complete)

i agree. no tourism. but i think there are a lot of other important resources of south america that we need to give our attention.

So far, new resources:

Coca Plant
Soy (need graphic)
Natural Gas....?
Amazonian Medicines?

Psychorg is right, there aren't many tourists in this era. But about trading tourism, well that's what is all about: trade. You "sell" a tourist location to another nation... but that's a rather complex discussion, so we may skip on that.

About the new resources, natural gas is fine, it may be used to build a Gas Plant, a cleaner and perhaps more efficient plant? Plus, it would give Bolivia and Venezuela some more power in the region. They SHOULD be the main power when combed together, after all.

Don't know about the amazonian medicines though.

well, pharmaceutical companies believe that there are millions of possible drugs in the amazon, and that they will be able to treat everything from cancer to the cold. the trick is, getting to them before the slash/burn gets to it and destroys it utterly.

I sure know that, just don't know how to use these in the mod...

it would be a health/big money resource.

Medicine: +1 health, plot gets +3 gold (+8 when harvested)

Coca: +2 gold, plot gets +8 gold (+10 gold when harvested)

Natural Gas: ... ... ??? im not sure

Natural gas should be very similar to oil.

The one big advantage of oil over gas is mobility, as you can process oil into mobile fuel and use it for cars, etc. That's why you shouldn't be able to build tanks with gas rather than oil (though the results sure would be fun!).

It's also slightly less efficient than oil cause it's more volatile, so maybe a little less resourceful than oil.

ok, so should i rig some units to have "Oil or Gas" as the resource?
should i make the refinery work with "Gas"?
Should it give a civ some production, as a resource?

1) No. Units are only available through oil or uranium in some cases (subs, etc.). Gas isn't used for vehicle fuel in a large scale.

2) Don't know about that. I have suggested a "gas plant" building which would benefit from gas. Perhaps a city could have both, a refinery and a gas plant.

3)Yes, production bonus are cool.

What you could do is make it similar to coal. Simply put you have a gas power plant rather than a coal plant. Gas plants would produce less unhealthyness than coal.

Yup, Arne got it right.

How's the mod going?

Im working on the map, flags, and leaders.

We could use some good leaderhead pics. roughly square and high detail.

I'll give it a shot after Christmas ;-)

merry x-mas bro :)

YAY holidays are over and they werent the worst possible ones i could have had, so im thankful.

Second revolution 2.0 has had a nice amount of DL's over holidays, so i hope everyone had a december of destruction (of the establishment that is ;) )

So, i have been thinking alot about this expansion to second revolution. and now its getting to be time for me to get off my ass and do something bout it.

@Bianezzi

I hope you had a good and safe holiday, and i hope to hear from you, my brotha.

Thanks mate. My holidays were great too. By the way, I've been listening to the 'Second Revolution' music for the whole holidays. My friends all loved it - don't worry, I gave you the credits. Looking forward to that Soulseek exchange thing.

Now, to the work. What is left? How is the map going? Need help with cities?

i have alot to do, what i have done now is second draft on map, and all the national flags done (not custom rebel ones) and i have not tested these flags yet. i have alot of ideas on units/concepts.

i will devote more attention when real life stops kicking my butt with lots of things going on :p

edit: we need to do that soulseek thing soon. i will PM you my email.

here are the first of the new flags!! Apparently what i did worked!

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l158/ringworldwu/Civ4ScreenShot0000-1.jpg

They are GREAT, Garrett, congratulations.

Here's a decent map of Argentina:
http://www.capraro.com.ar/images/MaterialDidactico/Mapas/ArgeninaPolitic.JPG

This may also be interesting:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/brazil_army_amazon_1999.jpg

The idea is to have scattered Brazilian forces in the jungle and unprotected cities. It's impossible to resist the overwhelming Amazonian Front forces. So why not putting the Front in control already? Well, I believe it's more dramatic for the Brazilian player to see the avalanche coming and not being able to mount a resistance (at least not early in the game).

It's an idea.

There are also other maps at Google maps, if you want them.

this is good. next step, i need the pictures of the flags or symbols of the revolutionary leagues

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9533/f5lp2.th.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f5lp2.jpg)

These would work well here, I think. F5A for Venezuala and F5E for Brazil. They'll be in the next installment of the Modern Warfare Mod.

Pampas:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/b/br!pampa.gif

Bolivarian League of Workers:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/v/ve}fbt.gif

Native Bolivia:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/b/bo!2006.gif

And something I crafted for the Amazonian Front:
http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/7/1/11/f_amazoniai_07f2m_82a7a1c0.gif

This is a standard Bolvarian tricolori (used by Colombia and Venezuela) with a green stripe representing the junge and an Indian coca leaf over it.

Origins of the other flags:

=Pampas
Flag of the actual movement, which is a real life right-wing separatist movement.

=Bolivarian League
Flag of the Bolivarian League of Workers, a big state sponsored syndicate.

=Native Bolivia
This is President Morales' suggestion for a new Bolivian flag. One third of the flag (the same proportion of the number of Indian population) is made of a traditional Incan flag. Very beautiful, if I may add :)

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9533/f5lp2.th.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f5lp2.jpg)

These would work well here, I think. F5A for Venezuala and F5E for Brazil. They'll be in the next installment of the Modern Warfare Mod.

Great! can you post the thread link here when you make it!?? :D

Origins of the other flags:

=Pampas
Flag of the actual movement, which is a real life right-wing separatist movement.

=Bolivarian League
Flag of the Bolivarian League of Workers, a big state sponsored syndicate.

=Native Bolivia
This is President Morales' suggestion for a new Bolivian flag. One third of the flag (the same proportion of the number of Indian population) is made of a traditional Incan flag. Very beautiful, if I may add :)

thank you very much. i think those flags are gorgeous!! theres a specific program you need to make the right kind of mip textures for the flags.

I think that the next stage should be concepts for UU's and possibly for Unique buildings (im willing to try them)

I also need a dot map on a map of s america that denotes where major cities should be portrayed in the civ-map

Great! can you post the thread link here when you make it!?? :D

It'll be posted in the next update here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=192679).

here are the rebel flags. i hope you like them!!
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l158/ringworldwu/rebflags.jpg

uploaded them here
file location (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3979)

Yep, Bolivia is the prettiest. It makes me wish Morales actually implement this flag for the country. :)

well, in our imaginary would, she will.

i will need pictures of the leaders of the civ's for leaderheads. Pick nicely posed, or striking pics of these leaders.

also, will one or more of the civs be essentially leaderless like rebels in 2nd rev?

Working on it.

Working on it.


Cool. the hard part right now is getting the civs made :(

after that im gonna try to get them running through the normal 2ndrev 2.0 engine.

Hey so when is this mod gonna be avaliable looks damn cool lol :) wanna play it already :)

Hey so when is this mod gonna be avaliable looks damn cool lol :) wanna play it already :)

I hope to have a beta version out in a month or so.

Is brazil allowed to build tanks with sugar ?

What about Falkland islands?

Good idea! I could replace the refinery with the ethanol refinery. what nations should have this ability?

falklands is going to argentina i believe.

Morales:
http://data1.blog.de/blog/e/elmundoaldia/img/Evo-Morales.jpg

Lula:
http://en.epochtimes.com/news_images/2005-4-18-lula.jpg

Kirchner:
http://www.biografiasyvidas.com/biografia/k/fotos/kirchner.jpg

(LOL he's SO funny!)

There is a small pic of Pampas' Irton Marx:
http://www.camarasantacruz.rs.gov.br/images/ver_2005_1.jpg

But I believe we could go much better with a general Gaucho picture like this:
http://casoilresource.lawr.ucdavis.edu/drupal/files/images/gaucho_0.jpg

Perhaps we should make this civ a non-leader one, like the rebels?

Also a great Amazonian Front's Colonel Marulanda:
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/farc/marulanda-briceno.jpg

He's the one in the left, the right one is Colonel Briceno, second in command. Great shot, very intimidating.

Bachelet:

http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/03/11/image37d7eaf1-9659-44bf-be10-586dc73126dd.jpg

Uribe(s):
http://www.saber.ula.ve/db/ssaber/Edocs/grupos/observatorio/publicaciones/monografias/tomoi/imagenes/uribe.jpg

http://www.lagranepoca.com/news_images/2006-5-17-57605223.a.uribe.jpg

Choose which you like best. His salutes are scary. Reminds me of Hitler.

Uribe(s):
http://www.saber.ula.ve/db/ssaber/Edocs/grupos/observatorio/publicaciones/monografias/tomoi/imagenes/uribe.jpg

http://www.lagranepoca.com/news_images/2006-5-17-57605223.a.uribe.jpg

Choose which you like best. His salutes are scary. Reminds me of Hitler.

ok what about peruvian president ALAN GARCIA is one of the best president of south america if u didnt know he is doing a great job in peru lately :) u shuld concider that

El Presidente Chavez:
http://www.soberania.org/Images/hugo_chavez_935.jpg

Peru was annexed by US-backed Uribe's Grand Army, while being ripped off by socialist guerrillas allied to the Amazonian Front.

Damn dude, haven't you seen the news? :)

Peru was annexed by US-backed Uribe's Grand Army, while being ripped off by socialist guerrillas allied to the Amazonian Front.

Damn dude, haven't you seen the news? :)

lol nop i watch the news every day from peru because i am peruvian :D :P

great and you guys can play multiplayer when the mod comes out!!

emperorosmar could you pick a better picture for the leader?

great and you guys can play multiplayer when the mod comes out!!

emperorosmar could you pick a better picture for the leader?

leader of peru? or wich

the ones that you felt needed change

yesi can but wich leader u want me for wich country or civ.

hmm...uribe. and maybe a chavez wearing cammo?

So next task, Emperor Garret? :)

I have a baaad feeling i'm gonna end up in a horse trough. :p

I won't be able to make the leaderheads until monday, but i should get that done and have some screenshots of it then.

Did you want to translate this mod to a particular language at some point?

Take your time.

Best choice would be Spanish of course, but it's not language. Can we keep this to the end?

oh yes, of course. (and i am limited to speaking english only {and poorly at that})

Good, my net access has been uneasy at best lately, so I ask you to mail me at ADRESS REMOVED if you need anything.

I'll still check back at this forum, just not so often as before, and I do want to keep helping with this mod!

great! will do!

I think i recently lost some of my 2nd rev south america data :( due to an operator error. but it was not too much, don't worry.

i will have sent the email to you by the time you read this again, so please edit out your email address from the above post so that you dont get spammed :)

Some music ideas. Most are brazilian so we'll probably need more from other countries. You did such a superb job on the first mod soundtrack that I think we mustn't fail with this one. I have all the songs on my soulseek, my nickname is Bianezzi.

Molotov - Puto
Molotov - La revolucion no se televisara
Engenheiros do Hawaii - Herdeiro da pampa pobre
Devotos - Punk rock hard core
DJ Camilo Rocha & DJ Yah - Batucada (look for the City of God soundtrack for this one)Mundo Livre S/A - O outro mundo de Chicão Xucuru
Mombojó - Desencanto
Hino Rio-Grandense (Rio-Grandense Anthem, great song for the Pampas)
Le Tigre - Get off the Internet
The International Noise Conspiracy - Capitalism stole my Virgnity
Thievery Corporation - Marching the Hate Machines
The Clash - Koka Kola
Funk como le Gusta - Funk de Bamba
365 - São Paulo
Cólera - Histeria


i also have much music, these are revolutionary songs mostly from 60s and 70s. some are necessary for this game!! all are in spanish except hino do movimento sem terra which is of landless workers movement in brazil.

various -
el pueblo unido jamas sera vencido
venceremos
oligarcas temblad
hasta siempre comandante
trabajadores del poder
himno de la revolucion abril 1965
esta llegando la hora
cuando tenga la tierra
simon bolivar
hino do movimento sem terra
somos los revolucionarios
que deveulvan
se vende mi pais
la carencia
a salvador allende
companero presidente

Quilapayun -
bella ciao
basta ya!
carabina 30-30
a la mina no voy
por montanas y praderas

Victor Jara -
a desalambrar
camilo torres
a cochabamba me voy
plegaria a un labrador

Ali Primera -
cancion para bolivar
brilla estrella roja

mejia godoy brothers -
no pasaran!
chilotito tierno
las campesinas del cua
pobre la maria
a gaspar garcia
carlos fonseca
el garand
las municiones
cristo de palaguina

These ones are great and some of the ones you can find from the FARC website - you should definately put these on! http://www.farcep.org/?node=1,231,1 -
jacobo arenas
fuego bolivariano
himno de las farc
un dia de diciembre
los terroristas
decimas de cambrin
companero companero
el mariscal de ayacucho
puya antiyanqui

of hugo chavez -
viva venezuela
chavez no se va

of ezln -
mexico insurgente
himno zapatista

etc

OK then, roughly:

=SOCIAL-DEMOCRACY
Argentina and Chile

=LIBERAL POPULISM
Brazil

=BOLIVARIANISM
Bolivarian League

=LIBERAL
Pampas

=NEO-LIBERAL
Plan Colombia

=INDIANISM
Bolivia

=SOCIALISM
Amazonian Front


If 7 is ok. If you can only put 6, just merge Populism with Social Democracy. If you can put 8, then Chile would go with:

=SOCIAL LIBERAL



FARC is Bolivarian as well no?
also will you make its capital Marquetalia?
and its leaders are manuel marulanda and jacobo arenas?

great generals can include
che guevara
camilo torres
emiliano zapata
pancho villa
simon bolivar
o'higgins
pascual orozco

great philsophers can include
all the liberation theologists
eg leonardo boff
archbishop romero

great artists
gabriel garcia marquez
diego rivera
frida kahlo
victor jara
ali primera

??

if we make a custom track for each civ, there will probly only be room for maximum 5-6 songs for each civ. and i will have to greatly compress their bitrate. this would mean, for the standard 3 v 3 map, 30-36 songs! and that doesnt count the diplo songs and menu songs and war song (+8 more)

36+8=44

44X2.5 megabytes= 110 mb for songs.

then you have to add in the mod. I don't want to break 180 megabytes.

Ok I'm back, and I just set up this thread as my initial page for IE.

So let's finish this thing now, shall we?

how have you been brotha. what have you been up to lately?
this project caught dust when i had to work on the BtS thing.

one thing i would like to ask you. for second revolution 3.0, there has to be like 3 leaders per civ. and now i want the south and central americans be able to pick from marcos, and chavez for example. and i have to do this for cuba and mexico. so i would like to enlist your help specifically for the big version.

i am also contemplating frequently a second map for the game including the whole world.

Nothing much lately. Just finishing college here - once it's over (end of the year) I'll engage on my own latin american tour through most of the countries, so expect me to report on Second Revolution: SA with firsthand experiences in 2008! ;)

Were you working on BtS???


Also, what exactly do you need about those leaders? Just some names and traits for Cuban and Mexican leaders?

one thing i would like to ask you. for second revolution 3.0, there has to be like 3 leaders per civ. and now i want the south and central americans be able to pick from marcos, and chavez for example. and i have to do this for cuba and mexico. so i would like to enlist your help specifically for the big version.

i am also contemplating frequently a second map for the game including the whole world.



what about choose between marcos and amlo for mexico?
chavez and morales for south america?

sandinistas?
tupamaros?

is it strictly contemporary?
if not it could include juarez and cardenas for mexico? lucio cabanas?
allende for south america?

if we make a custom track for each civ, there will probly only be room for maximum 5-6 songs for each civ. and i will have to greatly compress their bitrate. this would mean, for the standard 3 v 3 map, 30-36 songs! and that doesnt count the diplo songs and menu songs and war song (+8 more)

36+8=44

44X2.5 megabytes= 110 mb for songs.

then you have to add in the mod. I don't want to break 180 megabytes.


ok but i reckon that the main song MUST be el pueblo unido jamas sera vencido, it is the latinamerican revolutionary anthem. if you want i also have a punk style version by banda bassotti which is good.

for the farc style group you should use the farc tunes i suuggested from their website - especially 'un dia de diciembre' with the chorus 'cumbia cumbia cumbia , cumbia bolivariana , cumbia de la unidad latino americana!'
and 'puya antiyanqui' - 'go home go home , de mi patria gringo ladron!'
the others are good too

for the andean indian group you could use anything by inti illimani, neper, illapu, rumillajta, some quilapayun - got the inca vibe on it!

for venezuela 'chavez no se va', 'viva venezuela' maybe some farc tunes especially ones talking of bolivarian revolution, and definately some Ali Primera, his songs are the ones you always hear on venezuela documentaries.

for colombia you could have general cumbia and merengue music 'cumbia del caribe' and 'el ciclon' are good and on the putumayo colombia album which is easy to find

for chile victor jara is a must he is the one killed by pinochet, also quilapayun have 'venceremos', 'companero presidente' is about allende, as is 'a salvador allende' by oscar chavez. violetta parra, inti illimani and illapu are also chile and good

i dunno for brazil! movimento sem terra tune is good though.

for argentina i can only think of mercedes sosa, atahualpa yupanqui, and maybe los fabulosos cadillacs. but i also have some safe maradona songs!

for pampas you can use some argentina songs no?!

anyway these are just suggestions you dont have to lissen to me.
but maybe you should leave out ezln tunes for the other one with mexico in it, and maybe the mejia gody ones which are of nicaragua and the sandinistas.
the rest are all good though and i reckon you should think about them.

Pampas aren't entirely Argentinian. I have many Pampa songs here.

I insist on soulseeking you guys sometime :)

well, i think that you are at least 4 hours behind me in time. but i start nitetime downloading any where from 0100-0500, your time. I will do a soulseek with you... unless you want to torrent

IDEA:

TOURISM resource. Should award big trade and some production. To explore it build a RESORT (which would maybe generate pollution or unhappiness?).

Should have in:
Brazil (Rio and Salvador)
Pampas (Porto Alegre)
Argentina (Buenos Aires and Bariloche)
Chile (Santiago and Maipo)
Colombia (Macchu Picchu)
Bolivia (Titicaca Lake)
Venezuela (Isla Marguerita)

resource? why not as a farm, a cottage, a fort, that you can make everywhere? You just will need a road and something...

well, it can be that you can just make this (the name can be "touristic place" or "touristic atraction", can give a lot of money) in city ruins, forests, jungles, rivers withn't flood plains, incense (religious tourism...?) and in all coast. I think it will be cool :king:

(coloque a Serra Gaúcha e a região costeira do Uruguai na lista dos pontos turísticos.)

Pampas aren't entirely Argentinian. I have many Pampa songs here.

I insist on soulseeking you guys sometime :)

pros gaúchos hinos e música típica. eu tenho vários. :)


PS: make Porto Alegre the Pampas capital.