Hi all. This is my first scenario that I’ve created AND made public. It’s a simple scenario of Earth in the year AD 750. The Islamic Empire had been established and is expanding in all directions. The advanced but decaying Byzantines and Chinese Empires are subjected to attacks from “barbarian” raiders and nomads. Elsewhere, the Mayan civilization had reached its height, the Vikings raids are about to start, and Korea had just been unified.

Best played on epic speed.

The 18 Civilizations:
Frankish Empire
German (vassal of Franks)
Spanish
English
Byzantine
Viking
Rus (vassal of Vikings)
Arabian
Chinese
Uighur
Korean
Japanese
Indian
Mayan
Huari
Ghana
Turkish
Zimbabwean

I'm all open to suggestions on how I could improve for future scenarios.

Enjoy! :)

Download DB: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3782

PS The map used is strategyonly's clean warlord map at http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=179969 with minor adjustments.

Edit: Version 1 removed after 700 downloads. Version 2 uploaded 8/3/2007

Changes include:
- Leader change for English and Byzantines (to Hannibal and Augustus respectively)
- Arabs no longer start with camel archers
- Add xp points for units
- increase culture for cities
- Europe starts with more units, more technologically advanced.
- a few minor changes.

Feel free to comment on the changes, gameplay etc.

Screenshots?

Here you are :)

Asia:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/61644/Asia.JPG


Europe:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/61644/Europe.JPG


Battle of Talas River:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/61644/talasriver.JPG

How's the playtesting work out? Does it play anything close to real history or do the powers that are big when the scenario starts (Byzantium, Arabia, China) continue to dominate for the rest of the game?

looks great. will try this surely

Some suggestions: (mainly historical)
Change Gopala to Harsha for the leader of India. Gopala was founder of the Pala empire which was a regional empire in bengal. On the otherhand, Harsha nearly united india(northern india), his capital was kannauj, and most powerful of indian medieval rulers.
With Korea I believe the capital of the goryeo was kaesong(near seoul) not kyongju. You may want to change these things.
Lastly maybe to weaken Arabs, you may want to remove some cities on the fringes of the empire like multan and make them barbarian. ACtually historically, after bin-Qasim conquered sindh/punjab those land basically fell back to local rule.
And lastly maybe change saxon to Gniezno, the first polish capital I think.

I think this is an awesome scenario especially for your first. I find historical scenarios on world maps really fun. I hope you'll make some more.:)

Where do I put the CivWarlordsWBSave file? I put it in the Warlords\PublicMaps folder but it didn't show up in the Warlords Scenarios menu.

Actually it doesn't matter where you put it as long as you just double click the map and it will load from there.

Thanks for all the replies!

How's the playtesting work out? Does it play anything close to real history or do the powers that are big when the scenario starts (Byzantium, Arabia, China) continue to dominate for the rest of the game?

I only played about 20 turns into the game as China but I would think as China, Arabia or any of the major powers it would be hard to maintain the lead because 1) you're surrounded by barbarians at the start that pillages your improvements and 2) maintainance cost esp. for China, Vikings, Arabia is very high so that slowed down tech and 3) there's plenty of enemy civs to keep you busy eg Arabia started the game at war with all other neighbours, while China have the Mongols (Uighurs) to the north etc.

Change Gopala to Harsha for the leader of India. Gopala was founder of the Pala empire which was a regional empire in bengal. On the otherhand, Harsha nearly united india(northern india), his capital was kannauj, and most powerful of indian medieval rulers.


Harsha died in 647, and the scenario start in 750, so...

With Korea I believe the capital of the goryeo was kaesong(near seoul) not kyongju.

Actually Kyongju (Seorabeol) was the capital of Silla and after it unified Korea it became the capital of the country. The Wikipedia said: "After the unification of the peninsula in the mid-7th century, Gyeongju became the center of Korean political and cultural life. The city was home to the Silla court, and the great majority of the kingdom's elite."

Kaesong was the capital of the Goryeo dynasty (935 - 1392)

Harsha died in 647, and the scenario start in 750, so...
That's a good point.:) Although you have people like wang kon and elizabeth.



Actually Kyongju (Seorabeol) was the capital of Silla and after it unified Korea it became the capital of the country. The Wikipedia said: "After the unification of the peninsula in the mid-7th century, Gyeongju became the center of Korean political and cultural life. The city was home to the Silla court, and the great majority of the kingdom's elite."

Kaesong was the capital of the Goryeo dynasty (935 - 1392)
Since you had Wang Kon I thought you were aiming for Goryeo not silla.

Thanks for all the replies!

I only played about 20 turns into the game as China but I would think as China, Arabia or any of the major powers it would be hard to maintain the lead because 1) you're surrounded by barbarians at the start that pillages your improvements and 2) maintainance cost esp. for China, Vikings, Arabia is very high so that slowed down tech and 3) there's plenty of enemy civs to keep you busy eg Arabia started the game at war with all other neighbours, while China have the Mongols (Uighurs) to the north etc.



I've played about 120 turns with Spain and the game is really hard for them. Spain starts with only one city, few weak military units and war with Arabia.
Arabia have 3 cities in direct contact with Spanish capital and lots of more advenced units in them. It took me around 100 turns to capture one city while playing on prince. With higher difficulty lv Spain can be destroyed quite fast as archers arent really a challenge for camel raiders.
My point is that you should try to ballance the armies little more in order to make the game playable even if it means ignoring the historical facts a little :)

I hope you keep working on this. It should be fun but sounds like there are a few too many play issues right now

who leadin the british empire

I'd suggest Alfred the Great (just name him Alfred) or, if you want something more closer to 750, choose Egbert.

This looks like a good map. Can you post it with no frills as a stand alone map and maybe starting locations?

This looks like a good map. Can you post it with no frills as a stand alone map and maybe starting locations?

please has anyone noticed that not many maps have the warlords leaders on (rg churchill/stalin etc

Thanks for the responses guys! I'm on holiday at the moment but I'll fix the play issues as soon as I get home (in about 3 weeks).

I really enjoyed this scenario it was more improved than the Version that came with CIV 4 -1000ad. A time limit was placed on this scenario but it only starts getting good when you reach the 20th Century and start suppressing the smaller nations and making them your Vassals. Great scenario for recreating the history of the British Empire. I really enjoyed it.

Request can you put the newleaders on the map becauce me and a freind whould like earth map with the warlords leaders.

Request can you put the newleaders on the map becauce me and a freind whould like earth map with the warlords leaders.

Ragnar was there, I think, and Wang Kon. In the next version I'm going to replace Alex with Augustus as leader of the Byzantines.

Good scenario
but
im in the 1950s and still firing arrows while im being attacked by melle.
my surgestion whould be make the civs more advanced or knock back the year to 950 or place a great scientist and libary in most english,french,ottoand the vikings cities.

the european civs are at a dissadvantage militarly and "breathing space"
my idea whould giving the english,french,ottoand the vikings a larger more advanced armyto simmulate the many english-french wars(hastings 1066).

Why did Alexander replace Augustus for the Byzantines? :D

now they have a phalanx as unique unit, a preatorian would be more reasonable...

Why did Alexander replace Augustus for the Byzantines? :D

now they have a phalanx as unique unit, a preatorian would be more reasonable...

No because: 1. that'd make the byzantines too powerful and 2. the byzantines need a counter for all the horse archers the barbs and the Arabs get at the beginning.

This was a good scenario but the time goes too fast.

you should possibly thinking about spliting the islamic nations up because the safavids where big rivals to the ottomans since one was shiites and the others were sikhs i just cant remember which one they were and the mughals became a major player in india almost conquoring it

could you also make a vanilla version please?

you should possibly thinking about spliting the islamic nations up because the safavids where big rivals to the ottomans since one was shiites and the others were sikhs i just cant remember which one they were and the mughals became a major player in india almost conquoring it

The scenario starts in AD750, at which time the Arabs are still a state :)

could you also make a vanilla version please?

I'll try to find time for it.

I'm going to make another version of the scenario to make it more balanced and historically accurate, and a vanilla one too.

you should possibly thinking about spliting the islamic nations up because the safavids where big rivals to the ottomans since one was shiites and the others were sikhs i just cant remember which one they were and the mughals became a major player in india almost conquoring it

Taillesskangaru is right the arabs were unified at this time technically, the Ummayad caliphate fell in 750 exactly and thats when the Abbasids came at which point most of Dar al-Islam was unified except for Ummayad spain, idrisid morocco, and sindh.

Ottomans didn't arrive until the 13th century and the safavids and mughals in the 16th century. The Ottomans were most likely sunni, the safavids were shi'ite, and the mughals were probably shi'ite, they persecuted the sikhs quite heavily soo.

This was a good scenario but the time goes too fast.

I noticed this too. Curious that no one else has mentioned this; if it could be corrected this would be an excellent scenario.:goodjob:

JLNijholt you can remake the 750 AD thing for BTS, should be wonderful !

Thx for the vote of confidence; I'll have look at it, but can't promise anything.

:goodjob: I've been playtesting for a while, using diffent speeds, and am happy to report that 750 AD works perfectly in BTS! I would suggest however using Marathon speed only, as it just seems better suited.

Happy holidays y'all!;)

JLNijholt you can remake the 750 AD thing for BTS, should be wonderful !

Just uploaded: 750 AD for BTS

Download page: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7872

Thanks to taillesskangaru for permission to use his work; special thanks to Lachlan for suggesting this!;)

Good news everyone!

If I have time I will be remaking the scenario. I will set it earlier in history (in AD500 instead of AD750) and I'll put Charlemagne and Justinian in it and make it more balanced.

Well, I hope you have time then!;) (Do you intend a Warlords-version, a BTS-version - or perhaps both?):trouble: :salute: :hammer:

Any news on this? :confused:

Sorry, guys. :(

This past year has not been kind to me at all. I'll update this as soon as possible.

Sorry to hear (and sorry I missed your reply)... Hope you have a better new year. :thumbsup: