I'm trying to add in a female leader of my own but in order to do that, I have to replace one of the female leaders that already exists otherwise Falamar and Os-Gabella will keep thinking my leader is a male leader. So who would everyone want to see gone from the game if they had a chance to remove someone? Or who seems to have the least purpose right now?

Or you could just mess about with the diplo text for Falamar and Os-Gabella, or whatever it is that allows them to recognise sex, or the sex of the leader you've chosen to replace. As far as I know, they are in the editor along with everything else.

Who were you thinking of adding?

I'd advise you to take out Faeryl, since the Svartalfar is a minor race, except for the fact that there are some Dark Elf fans who have remedied that (edit:Should credit Sureshot;) ), so I guess it's an even playing field.
So I guess I'd have to say Thessa, personally, as them elves have two other leaders.

the one in Elohim faction.

Argh I was going to post a poll for this thread but I must have taken too long at making it.

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Yeah Mahala is my favorite leader.

Or you could just mess about with the diplo text for Falamar and Os-Gabella, or whatever it is that allows them to recognise sex, or the sex of the leader you've chosen to replace. As far as I know, they are in the editor along with everything else.

Who were you thinking of adding?

You would have to make an SDK change to add a female leader and have her recognized as such by Os-Gabella and Falamar.

I only play Doviello with Mahala :P
Barbarians are the best source of experience, why have them allied ?

What about Keelyn? Any comment on whether or not to keep Keelyn? If I recall correctly, she was added in a little later than Perpentach but now that Perpentach is insane, does Keelyn really have a purpose?

What about Keelyn? Any comment on whether or not to keep Keelyn? If I recall correctly, she was added in a little later than Perpentach but now that Perpentach is insane, does Keelyn really have a purpose?

No- keep Keelyn!! I don't like Perpentach and would not play Balseraph without her!

Keelyn is the latest addition to the FfH leader tree, she was not actually in there to begin with. Someone, I can no longer recall who, invented her because they felt she fit. At least I think that's what happened. I always forget her, I suppose she must be my least favourite, Perpentach is enough Balseraph for me, and then some.

Keelyn is the latest addition to the FfH leader tree, she was not actually in there to begin with. Someone, I can no longer recall who, invented her because they felt she fit. At least I think that's what happened. I always forget her, I suppose she must be my least favourite, Perpentach is enough Balseraph for me, and then some.

Nikis-Knight invented her back before he joined the team.

Personally I wouldnt touch Mahala or Keelyn as they both serve game functions (allowing players to play those civs without the very impacting traits the other leader offers). I would probably go for Ethne, Rhoanna or Sheelba.

Nikis-Knight invented her back before he joined the team.

Personally I wouldnt touch Mahala or Keelyn as they both serve game functions (allowing players to play those civs without the very impacting traits the other leader offers). I would probably go for Ethne, Rhoanna or Sheelba.

I was almost certain it was Nikis-Knight, but I didn't want to steal the glory away from someone else by naming him as the creator. I guess you're right about avoiding the impacting traits of certain leaders, depends what the new leader is to be used for...

Unless you plan on merging your "mod" with Sureshot's, it'd probably be safe to replace the Svartalfar leader, since she's not normally playable and only has one working trait.

Keelyn is the latest addition to the FfH leader tree, she was not actually in there to begin with. Someone, I can no longer recall who, invented her because they felt she fit. At least I think that's what happened. I always forget her, I suppose she must be my least favourite, Perpentach is enough Balseraph for me, and then some.

I'm new here- so she's always been in the game from my perspective :D

besides, she has a crazy personality without the insanity (yet) :crazyeye:. Dunno- I just like her :eek:

Keelyn isnt mad enough for me she needs a different trait like mind change where she can change leadership styles. where she may be a theologist nation one year then change it to republic after 100 years then back to god king after 50 years. i think this would be fun and a tough way to play for us that like to play weird games. I think this can be added to everything from grabbing Slavery to Grabbing consumption. This also wouldnt cause Anarchy if she did this but add her a three turn anarchy for changing it. That would add a different flavor to the game.

is there anything particular about this added leader we should know?

like would this leader even fit in as the leader of the balseraphs or orcs or dark elves?

whats the purpose of this? just to make it so its your favourite traits? or is there flavour of some sort? in which case id say just do it for whatever leader fits your flavour best.


personally, id like to see more female leaders added for the civs (irregardless[lol] of whether the diplo penalties work for it) that have only 1 leader, like grigori, or for civs that have no female leaders, like khazad, or to give a female leader a trait that no female leader has, like insanity for keelyn.


edit added:
might be good to add some gender flag for the xml files so its easier to add new leaders that work genderwise without changes to the SDK

I agree there is a serious lack of female leaders! The game could definatley use a few more.

Seems like this thread might be more useful if I mention a few details about what I want to add to my game. I want to add another leader for the Grigori. Right now I'm thinking about making her traits spiritual, agnostic (yes what a pair:crazyeye:), financial, philosophical. I'm going to try tweaking her personality so that she would be more aggressive than Cassiel and will go through military techs quickly. I guess my aim is to basically add a warmonger who comes at people with an advanced army like Alexander supposedly does.

ya, grigori could definately use a female leader. id just make a new one and not worry about falamar and Os, or pretend shes a lesbian and that Os hates lesbians and that lesbians are immune to falamars charms lol.

I say mahala.
Who plays doviello without barbs?

Lol censored :lol:

Well, I think Kael said the Mahala character is based on his wife... So, its better for you to edit that post of yours ;D

yea i think so too... sorry about that.. if i had known then i wouldn't have made that comment

I think, more acurately, that she is based on his wife's player character in game. Teensy bit of a difference there ;)

I think, more acurately, that she is based on his wife's player character in game. Teensy bit of a difference there ;)

Good point. *fear*

Mahala is named after my wifes level 60 Tauren warrior from World of Warcraft. The association doesn't go much deeper than that. My wife had more input on Os-Gabella who she thought should hate men and gave me the suggestion to have her give negative diplomacy to male leaders.

Actually I seriously dislike Keelyn, mostly because of the image , you know it is just .. too .. bad .. for my taste (i do not know how to express it better).
I mean a little girl, killing, blood all over little hands .. too much for me.

But certainly she makes a lot of sense game wise and gamewise Rhoanna seems to be to most expendable. she is not really serving a game twitching function. But then on the other hand .. I also would appreciate more female leaders, too

Actually I seriously dislike Keelyn, mostly because of the image , you know it is just .. too .. bad .. for my taste (i do not know how to express it better).
I mean a little girl, killing, blood all over little hands .. too much for me.

But certainly she makes a lot of sense game wise and gamewise Rhoanna seems to be to most expendable. she is not really serving a game twitching function. But then on the other hand .. I also would appreciate more female leaders, too

Keelyn is an interesting mix of cherubic innocence and sadistic torment. FfH is definitly Dark Fantasy and because of that we opt for flawed characters and malevolent themes. But I think there is some truth to Keelyn, she is every child whose manical raging and overwhelming peace can both exist in the same person, sometimes right next to each other. Given her environment and heredity her nature is even more understandable.

But yes, she is not a standard archetype and because of that her depravity can seem more unsettling than characters like hyborem, who we accept as evil. And the dicotomy of her personality makes her malevolence even more apparent. Truly a beautiful character.

Actually I seriously dislike Keelyn, mostly because of the image , you know it is just .. too .. bad .. for my taste (i do not know how to express it better).
I mean a little girl, killing, blood all over little hands .. too much for me.

But certainly she makes a lot of sense game wise and gamewise Rhoanna seems to be to most expendable. she is not really serving a game twitching function. But then on the other hand .. I also would appreciate more female leaders, too

It's the uniqueness of her character that I like- you don't often see such a wide shift in personalities.

But you do make a good point- why are we discussing removing a leader? Why not just add a new one? Granted I don't know what that would involve programatically.

Well the reason I was talking about replacing a leader is because there is someone I want to put into my game who is female and unless I put in an SDK change, the game will not recognize the leader I'm going to put in as female. That is why I would have to replace one of the female leaders that currently exist. The question is which one.

Does the wiki have an outdated pic of that Svalfar queen?

Keelyn is an interesting mix of cherubic innocence and sadistic torment. FfH is definitly Dark Fantasy and because of that we opt for flawed characters and malevolent themes. But I think there is some truth to Keelyn, she is every child whose manical raging and overwhelming peace can both exist in the same person, sometimes right next to each other. Given her environment and heredity her nature is even more understandable.

But yes, she is not a standard archetype and because of that her depravity can seem more unsettling than characters like hyborem, who we accept as evil. And the dicotomy of her personality makes her malevolence even more apparent. Truly a beautiful character.

=/ I never saw Keelyn as really evil, just whimsically detached from reality, though no where near the extent that Perpentach is. From how I interpret her character, she is a genius compared to her old man and easily capable of grasping philosophic nuances. I personally would have given her a Neutral allignment though, maybe even her own strange civilization that broke off of Perpentach's own.

Well since this is the closest thing I have to a design thread I may as well use this thread to ask other questions that I have involving the leader I am making.

Here's a question I have for people who play FFH2 on Noble. Have you ever seen the AI on a continents map end up with a power rating that is near triple the second highest power? This AI was on a larger continent with more civs on it and everyone hates her but it just does not matter because she is just too powerful for anyone to try fighting. In fact all the wars have been started by her which may have been the key to her power. Is this normal or did I accidently create a monster?