I have noticed that my chariots will almost certainly lose versus a barbarian axeman when the axeman attacks my chariot. I know the chariot does not receive a def bonus but does it also lose it's benefit against axemen?

Yes. The chariot's 50% bonus against axemen is for attacking, but while defending the chariot does not keep the bonus.

Thanks, would have been nice of them to state that...

they did
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FYI,

It works the same way with Grenadiers v Riflemen

FYI,

It works the same way with Grenadiers v Riflemen

I don't think so, It's only the same with units that can not fortify eg- generally mounted and seige units (excluded moutned UU like immortals etc)

Horse Archer's get an bonus over Trebs and Cats when attack but they don't get the bonus when defending.

Oh, that explains it... :lol:

thats not correct, granadiers only get bonus if they attack

The key is in the way the bonus is described. Look at the Numidan Cavalry:

Numidian Cavalry - Unique unit for Carthage; Replaces Horse Archer
Immune to first strikes.
Doesn't receive defensive bonuses.
Can withdrawn from combats (20% chance).
-10% city attack.
+50% attack vs. catapult and trebuchet.
+50% vs. melee units.
Starts with Flanking I.

Note that it only gets the +50% bonus vs catapults and trebuchets when attacking, but gets the +50% vs. melee units whether it is attacking or defending.

Grenadiers: "+50% attack vs. Rifleman"
Chariots: "+100% attack vs. Axemen"

it has nothing to do with unit type or whether they get defensive bonuses; it is entirely dependent on the wording.

The key is in the way the bonus is described. Look at the Numidan Cavalry:

Numidian Cavalry - Unique unit for Carthage; Replaces Horse Archer
Immune to first strikes.
Doesn't receive defensive bonuses.
Can withdrawn from combats (20% chance).
-10% city attack.
+50% attack vs. catapult and trebuchet.
+50% vs. melee units.
Starts with Flanking I.

Note that it only gets the +50% bonus vs catapults and trebuchets when attacking, but gets the +50% vs. melee units whether it is attacking and defending.

Grenadiers: "+50% attack vs. Rifleman"
Chariots: "+100% attack vs. Axemen"

it has nothing to do with unit type or whether they get defensive bonuses; it is entirely dependent on the wording.

Great explanation :goodjob:

thanks for this explanation. part of my confusion is that i check units in the warlords manual sometimes when i'm not actually playing. i've written notes about changes in the patch to make it current. but in cases like this the manual often doesn't note any difference. for numidians it says "+50% vs. cats trebs and melee". in some cases it does specify that it's only attack, even the unit right before that one, navy seal "50% attacking vs. artillery." clear as mud.

obviously the civilopedia is where i need to go for that specific info and not the silly manual.

Simpliest way is if its against a specific unit thans its always an attack bonus, if its against an unit type then it bonus for atk&def.

The key is in the way the bonus is described. Look at the Numidan Cavalry:

Numidian Cavalry - Unique unit for Carthage; Replaces Horse Archer
Immune to first strikes.
Doesn't receive defensive bonuses.
Can withdrawn from combats (20% chance).
-10% city attack.
+50% attack vs. catapult and trebuchet.
+50% vs. melee units.
Starts with Flanking I.

Note that it only gets the +50% bonus vs catapults and trebuchets when attacking, but gets the +50% vs. melee units whether it is attacking or defending.

Grenadiers: "+50% attack vs. Rifleman"
Chariots: "+100% attack vs. Axemen"

it has nothing to do with unit type or whether they get defensive bonuses; it is entirely dependent on the wording.


I'm giving you another kudos for this one. It took me awhile to figure out the difference between +X% strength and +X% attack as well...but that's how the game works. Good addition, I'll say, especially for the otherwise-less-than-useful chariots.

I'm glad my contribution was helpful :)

Do Navy Seals and Marines only receive a bonus when attacking Artillery? I thought it was just a general bonus so I usually spend time filling my culturally crushed border cities with Marines to help against attacking Artillery. Oops, maybe I should have read the manual better.

Indeed, that tends to help my game. Or, if I start losing a bunch of troops to something I thought I was strong against, I have a tendency to look a little closer. I remember the first time I thought I was immortal with my grenadiers against those rifles...but they chewed me up. Then I realized I had to attack to get that big strength bonus.