CIV-SPECIFIC GREAT PEOPLE

Description:
In standard Civ 4 whenever a great person is born, the game draws from a single list for every civ to generate a name for that person, based on GP type. In this mod, every civilization now has its own unique lists of GP which it will use instead of the generic lists, just like in Civ 3. Scipio won't be born in Carthage anymore, but in Rome; Edison will always be American; Sun Tzu will always be Chinese.

This works by giving each civ a unique unit for each GP, e.g. “German Great Scientist”, so that only that civ will be able to use those names. There are now well over 800 total GP names in the Vanilla edition, over 1200 in the Warlords version, and finally over 2000 in the expanded Warlords and BtS versions. You’ll never see things like “Isaac Newton has been born in Thebes” again.


Some miscellaneous remarks:
This mod may be freely distributed and incorporated into other mods, provided that the author is given credit for its original inspiration and implementation. It was, after all, very time-consuming to look up all those names.

Here’s a breakdown of how names are assigned:
Great Prophets: Generally, they include major religious figures, missionaries, philosophers, founders of sects, preachers, theologians, and others who did social work (e.g., Mother Teresa, William Booth).

Great Artists: Includes poets, painters, authors, novelists, musicians, composers, sculptors, playwrights, actors, movie stars, filmmakers, etc. Occasionally, a few historians have been put in this category, as their works have transcended time and become classics (Thucydides, Gibbon…)

Great Scientists: Pretty obvious here; this includes chemists (Georg Wittig, Dmitri Mendeléev), physicists (Einstein, Feynman, Bohr), doctors/medical scientists (Hippocrates, Pasteur), biologists, a few engineers/inventors, archaeologists, and social scientists.

Great Engineers: People who have contributed to major engineering feats or advances in some way. Includes architects (I. M. Pei), engineers and inventors (Benjamin Franklin), machinists (James Watt), industrialists, etc.

Great Merchants: Wealthy people and those who have made an impact on the economic world, including philanthropists, merchants, economists, travelers and explorers (Marco Polo, Christopher Columbus), geographers and navigators, businessmen (Henry Ford, Hiroshi Yamauchi) and entrepreneurs.

Great Generals: Military figures from throughout history. (They don’t necessarily have to have the rank of general.) Includes generals, admirals, air aces, strategists, etc.

Great Spies: People who organized insurgencies against various factions and invaders (à la the French Resistance), rebellious leaders and revolutionaries, defectors, assassins, ninjas, heads of intelligence agencies, cryptographers, miscellaneous others involved in plots, conspiracies and secret activities, and of course your basic, everyday, home-spun spy.


In the few cases where it was very hard to find appropriate people (how many Incan Great Artists can you name?), I have taken the liberty of using the names of famous rulers and the like. However, there is still a connection to the great person's type, as I have tried to assign them based on their achievements in real life. For example, kings who made great contributions toward engineering feats are listed as great engineers, ones who presided over cultural advances are credited as artists, etc. This is to retain the element of realism. Furthermore, in the expanded version it is common to find modern equivalents, such as Peruvian scientists for the Incas.

Some civs have people who weren't ethnically part of that civilization, but who were employed by it. A good example is Apollodorus, who was ethnically Greek, yet is included with the Romans because he lived under the Roman Empire, worked for the Romans and made major contributions toward Roman engineering.



Here’s the really big list of all the names, for your perusal:

ROME

GP: St. Peter, St. Paul, St. John, St. Augustine, St. Patrick, St. Thomas Aquinas, Eusebius, St. Ambrose, St. Benedict, Leo the Great, Gregory the Great,

GA: Livy, Virgil, Horace, Juvenal, Lucretius, Ovid, Plutarch, Saturninus, Dante Alighieri, Michelangelo, Raphael,

GS: Strabo, Cato, Cicero, Sosigenes, Pliny the Elder, Livius, Julius Pollux, Galileo, Enrico Fermi, Stanislao Cannizzaro, Amedeo Avogadro, Petrarch

GE: Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa, Apollodorus, Hitarius, Vitruvius, Leonardo da Vinci, Brunelleschi, Guglieilmo Marconi

GM: Lucius Caecilius Jucundus, Publius Sittius, Titus Pomponius Atticus, Marco Polo, Amerigo Vespucci, Giovanni de Medici, Enrico Dandolo, Marcus Licinius Crassus

GG: Scipio Africanus, Gaius Marius, Sulla, Pompey, Germanicus, Vespasian, Trajan, Hadrian, Marcus Aurelius, Septimius Severus, Constantine



EGYPT

GP: Moses, Akhenaten, Mehryra, Ptahhotep, Djedptahiufankh, Petiese, Herihor, Masaherta, Iuput, Nimlot, Takelot, Menkheperre, Osorkon, Osarseph, Henutmehyt, Petosiris, Shoshenq, Djediufankh

GA: Khaemweset, Yuny, Ineni, Amenemhat III, Khafre, Amenhotep III, Pami, Aktoy, Nefertari, Merneptah, Setnakhte, Rekhmire, Djhutmose

GS: Merit Ptah, Ptolemy, Hypatia, Conon, Diophantus, Pappus, Manetho, Ahmes, Harkhebi, Hesy-Ra, Horapollo, Penthu, Dedi, Peseshet

GE: Imhotep, Khaemwase, Zoser, Snefru, Senenmut, Kha, Djoser, Pepi, Tetisheri, Siptah, Amenmesse, Twosret, Hemon, Minmose

GM: Harkuf, Piye, Alara, Maya, Ahmose Pen-Nekhebet, Ramose, Tiye, Wenamun, Userhet, Yuya, Zenon

GG: Menes, Ramses, Khufu, Mentuhotep, Seti, Na'rmer, Thutmose, Ahmose, Weni, Amun-her-wenemef




GREECE

GP: Heraclitus, Parmenides, Epicurus, Philolaus, Clea, Avaris, Didymus

GA: Homer, Thespis, Thucydides, Exekias, Apelles, Sophocles, Euripides, Herodotus, Apollonius, Aeschylus

GS: Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, Pythagoras, Eratosthenes, Leucippus, Democritus, Anaxagoras, Eudoxus

GE: Archimedes, Heron, Thales, Hippocrates, Empedocles, Zeno, Philo, Satyros, Aristarchus, Menelaus, Callicrates, Ictinus

GM: Pytheas, Croesus, Androsthenes, Cosmas Indicopleustes, Megasthenes, Aristotle Socrates Onassis

GG: Leonidas, Lysander, Pyrrhus, Hector, Ajax, Ulysess, Philip, Parmenion, Lacedaimonius



GERMANY

GP: Albertus Magnus, Martin Luther, Eusebius Amort, Philipp Melanchthon, Hildegard of Bingen, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Albert Schweitzer, Johann Eck, Jan Hus

GA: JS Bach, Ludwig van Beethoven, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Johann Wolfgang Goethe, Johannes Brahms, Richard Wagner, Richard Strauss, Georg Friedrich Händel

GS: Werner Heisenberg, Carl Friedrich Gauss, Nicolaus Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, Gottfried Leibniz, Heinrich Hertz, Erwin Schrodinger, Max Planck, Wilhelm Roentgen, Paracelsus, Wolfgang Pauli, Bernhard Riemann, Georg Wittig,

GE: Nikolaus August Otto, Johann Gutenberg, Bernhard Philberth, Wernher von Braun, Gottlieb Daimler, Fritz Haber, Ernst Heinkel, Wilhelm Schickard, Robert Bunsen, Otto Hahn, Wilhelm Maybach, Felix Wankel

GM: Gerardus Mercator, August Horch, Ferdinand von Zeppelin, Johann Homann, Ferdinand Porsche, Carl Benz, Adolf Dassler,

GG: Arminius, Erwin Rommel, Erich von Manstein, Barbarossa, Maximilian, Charles V, Heinz Guderian, Günther von Kluge



RUSSIA

GP: Nikolai Berdyaev, Georges Florovsky, Aleksei Losev, Rasputin, Feofan Prokopovich, Paisiy Yaroslavov, Andronic Nikolsky, Sergius of Radonezh, Georgy Vins, Pavel of Taganrog, Sylvester

GA: Leo Tolstoy, Anton Chekhov, Dostoyevsky, Aleksandra Ekster, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Tchaikovsky, Yevgeny Aleksandrovich Yevtushenko, Igor Stravinsky, Andrei Rublev, Nikolay Karamzin, Vaslav Nijinsky

GS: Andrei Sakharov, Mikhail Lomonosov, Ivan Pavlov, Dmitri Mendeléev, Holonyak, Nicolai Lobachevsky, Nikolai Koltsov, Yakov Borisovich Zel'dovich, Nikolai Semenov, Nikolay Basov, Karl Klaus, Mikhail Ostrogradsky, Mikhail Tsvet

GE: Ivan Starov, Sergei Korolev, Theremin, Vladimir Zworykin, Andrey Tupolev, Igor Sikorsky, Alexander Popov, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, Vladimir Shukhov, Stephen Timoshenko, Nikolai Rynin, Pavel Yablochkov

GM: Ivan Fedorovich Kruzenshtern, Vitus Bering, Afanasiy Nikitin, Gerasim Izmailov, Ivan Fedorov, Ferdinand Wrangel, Pyotr Kozlov

GG: Michael Romanov, Georgy Zhukov, Ivan the Great, Leon Trotsky, Pavel Nakhimov, Konstantin Petrovich Von Kaufman, Vasily Chuikov, Mikhail Skobelev



CHINA

GP: Mencius, Han Fei, Confucius, Wang Yuanlu, Chuang Tzu, Mo Tzu, Xuanzang, Zhou Duni, Chen Bo, Xi Shengmo, Zhang Daoling

GA: Li Po, Du Fu, Wang Xizhi, Leung Long Chau, Ling Lun, Gao Xingjian, Su Dongpo, Hsia Kuei, Yen Li-pen, Wei Shuo, Zhu Da, Lu Xun

GS: Xi Ling Shi, Zu Chongzhi, Daniel Chee Tsui, Yuan T. Lee, Tsien Hsue-shen, Su Buqing, Chen Ning Yang, Liu Hui, Ch'in Chiu-Shao, Zhu Shijie, Zu Geng, Gang Tian

GE: Cai Lun, Qian Sanqiang, Charles Kao, Zhang Heng, Bi Sheng, Li Siguang, Tsien Hsue-shen, Qian Sanqiang, Chien-Shiung Wu, Guo Shoujing, Tung-Yen Lin

GM: Zhang Qian, Wang Anshi, Zheng He, Lo Hong-Shui, Zhou Zhengyi, Xu Xiake, Vincent Lo, Ah Boon Haw

GG: Sun Tzu, Chang Tso-lin, Cao Cao, Shi Lang, Zhuge Liang, Jiang Wei, Guo Ziyi, Huang Zhong, Chiang Kai-Shek



AMERICA

GP: William Brewster, Roger Williams, William Penn, Jonathan Edwards, Sojourner Truth, Charles Finney, Brigham Young, Dwight Moody, Billy Graham

GA: Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, Elvis Presley, Ernest Hemingway, Herman Melville, Mary Cassatt, Walt Whitman, Mark Twain, John Wayne, Cary Grant, Henry David Thoreau, Steven Spielberg,

GS: Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman, J. Robert Oppenheimer, Buckminster Fuller, Glenn T. Seaborg, Steven Weinberg, John Forbes Nash, Robert Van de Graaff, Richard Smalley, Edwin Hubble, John von Neumann, Jonas Salk

GE: Thomas Edison, Nicola Tesla, Benjamin Franklin, Henry Ford, Wilbur Wright, Orville Wright, William Morton, Alexander Graham Bell, John Roebling, Norbert Rillieux, George Washington Goethals, Charles Goodyear, I. M. Pei, Samuel Morse, George Westinghouse, Robert Fulton

GM: William Clark, Meriwether Lewis, John Jacob Astor, Cornelius Vanderbilt, John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Rowland Hussey Macy, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Donald Trump, Sam Walton

GG: Andrew Jackson, William T. Sherman, Ulysses S. Grant, Robert E. Lee, Dwight D. Eisenhower, George S. Patton, Jr., Douglas MacArthur, Norman Schwarzkopf, John Paul Jones



JAPAN

GP: Takuan Soho, Nikko, Saigyo, Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki, Kobo-Daishi, Ryōkan, Shinran, Eisai Zenji

GA: Katsushika Hokusai, Toshusai Sharaku, Osamu Tezuka, Utagawa Hiroshige, Uragami Gyokudo, Yoko Ono, Yokomitsu Riichi

GS: Aida Yasuki, Kiyosi Ito, Nagaoka Hantaro, Shigefumi Mori, Hideki Yukawa, Goro Shimura, Kenkichi Iwasawa, Susumu Tonegawa, Akihiko Tago, Esaki Reona

GE: Tokuhichi Mishima, Kyota Sugimoto, Sakichi Toyoda, Kyota Sugimoto, Hidetsugu Yagi, Kokichi Mikimoto, Kotaro Honda

GM: Fukuzo Iwasaki, Hiroshi Yamauchi, Masahisa Fujita, Minoru Mori, Torakusu Yamaha, Konosuke Matsushita

GG: Yamamoto, Tojo, Hirohito, Fujiwara, Yamashita, Tsuji, Suzuki, Takashita, Nagato




FRANCE

GP: Joan of Arc, Sebastian Castellio, John Calvin, Hubert Languet, Gabriel Marcel, Louis Auguste Sabatier, Nostradamus

GA: Victor Hugo, Claude Monet, Edouard Manet, Pierre-Auguste Renoir, François Truffaut, Hector Berlioz, François Rabelais, Georges Bizet, Paul Gauguin, Michel Legrand, Edgar Degas,

GS: Louis Pasteur, Rene Descartes, Marie Curie, Antoine Lavoisier, Pierre-Simon Laplace, Pierre de Fermat, Joseph Fourier, Henri Poincaré, Joseph Louis Lagrange, Antoine Henri Becquerel, Louis de Broglie

GE: Blaise Pascal, Charles Augustin de Coulomb, Alexandre Gustave Eiffel, Joseph Marie Jacquard, Ferdinand de Lesseps, Louis Daguerre, Louis Blériot

GM: Coco Chanel, Jacques Cartier, Robert de LaSalle, Jean-Baptiste Say, Alexandre Darracq, Samuel de Champlain

GG: Charles Martel, Charlemagne, Murat, Charles DeGaulle, Louis-Joseph de Montcalm, Lafayette, Leclerc,



INDIA

GP: Mahavira, Shankara, Ramakrishna, Tippu Sultan, Ananda, Narayana Guru, Atisha, Mohammed Shah, Tsongkhapa, Mother Teresa

GA: Valmiki, Kalidas, Amir Khusro, Raja Rao, Rabindranath Tagore, Basawan, Raja Ravi Varma, Amrita Sher-Gil, Charles Correa, L. V. Prasad

GS: Aryabhata, Brahmagupta, Pingala, Nilakantha, Kamalakara, Paramesvara, Madhava, Panini, Charaka, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, Bhaskara, Virahanka, Nilakantha Somayaji, Raj Chandra Bose

GE: Nain Singh, Balkrishna Doshi, Raj Rewal, Baudhayana, Chandrasekhara Venkata Raman, Jagadish Bose, Mokshagundam Visvesvarayya, Lagadha, Mahendra Suri, B. V. Doshi, G. D. Naidu

GM: Shah Jahan, Raja Todar Mal, G. Kuppuswamy Naidu, Pallonji Mistry, Mukesh Ambani, David Sassoon, Jamsetji Tata, Ardeshir Godrej, Pirojsha Godrej, Azim Premji

GG: Chandragupta Maurya, Akbar, Shivaji, Porus, Bindusara, Singh, Tilak



PERSIA

GP: Zoroaster, Mani, Jalal al-Din al-Rumi, Mazdak, Bab, Mulla Sadra, Zahed Gilani, Bahá'u'lláh, Safi Al-Din

GA: Sadi, Mahmud, Riza-i-Abbasi, Kamal al-Din Bihzad, Mohammed Hafez, Jami, Parvin E'tesami, Mahmoud Farshchian,

GS: Ardashir, Peroz, Hormoz, Al-Khwarizmi, Al-Razi, Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi, Al-Farabi, Al-Farisi, Alfraganus, Avicenna, Azophi, Hasan bin Musa

GE: Artaxerxes, Bahram, Al-Khujandi, Abdollah ibn Tahir, Abu Musa Jabir ibn Hayyan, Ibn al-Haitham, Farshid Moussavi, Ahmad ibn Imad al-din, Al-Karaji, Ustad Isa

GM: Kavadh, Ahmad ibn Rustah, Adud al-Dowleh, Naser Khosrow, Istakhri, Issa Omidvar, Abdollah Omidvar, Zayn al-Abidin Shirvani

GG: Darius, Xerxes, Achaemenes, Antiochus, Abbas, Mithridates, Seleucus



AZTECS

GP: Were-Jaguar, Eagle-Spirit, Monkey-Spirit, Tlacateotl, Tenoch, Papantzin, Yacotzin, Ixtlilxochitl II, Spirit-Jaguar

GA: Cipactli, Oxomoco, Huitzilopochtli, Nezahualpilli, Techotlalatzin, Ihuitemotzin, Cuaucuauhtzin

GS: Chichatoyotl, Textalatzin, Quakeotzlitopotec, Axayacatl, Ixtlilxochitl, Coanacochtzin, Chimalpahin Quauhtlehuanitzin

GE: Xolotl, Itzcatl, Mixcoatl, Acamapichtli, Tizoc, Tlacaelel, Moquihuix, Tlahuitoltzin

GM: Chak-Mool, Atlante, Tlahuizcalpanteuctli, Cuacuapitzahuac, Cuauhtémoc, Tlacotzin, Techichpotzin, Tehuetzquitizin

GG: Ahuitzotl, Itzcóatl, Huitzilhuitl, Chimalpopoca, Maxtla, Nezahualcóyotl, Tezozomoc



ZULU

GP: Dingiswayo, Lobengula, Isaiah Shambe, Nongqawuse, Jama kaNdaba, Mnguni

GA: Phuzekhemisi, Mfazomnyama, Busi Mhlongo, Antjie Krog, Mageba kaGumede

GS: Senzangakhona, Malandela, Jobe, Thebe Medupe, Malandela kaLuzumana, Ntombhela kaMalandela

GE: Dingane, Usibepu, Basil Schonland, Allan McLeod Cormack, Senzangakona

GM: Mzilikazi, Dinuzulu, Patrice Motsepe, Tshilidzi Marwala, Mbhazima Shilowa

GG: Mpande, Zwelithini, Cetshwayo, Ndlela kaSompisi



ENGLAND

GP: St. Anselm, St. Thomas Becket, The Venerable Bede, George Whitefield, Charles Wesley, Charles Spurgeon, Adrian IV, William Wilberforce, William Booth

GA: Geoffrey Chaucer, William Shakespeare, John Milton, Edward Gibbon, John Keats, Charles Dickens, George Bernard Shaw, Joseph Conrad, H.G. Wells, Alfred Hitchcock, John Lennon

GS: Rosalind Franklin, Isaac Newton, John Dalton, Michael Faraday, James Clerk Maxwell, Francis Bacon, Charles Darwin, Ernest Rutherford, Henry Cavendish, Robert Hooke, J.J Thomson, Joseph Priestly, Paul Dirac, George Boole, Alexander Fleming, James Joule, Stephen Hawking

GE: Henry Bessemer, James Watt, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Babbage, Alan Turing, Thomas Telford, Sir Henry Royce, Sir Frank Whittle, William Herschel, Cecil Booth

GM: John Stuart Mill, Sir Alexander Mackenzie, James Cook, Adam Smith, John Maynard Keynes, Sir Thomas Roe, Richard Whittington, Sir Francis Drake

GG: Edward, Wallace, Charles Cornwallis, Sir Henry Clinton, Duke Wellington, Oliver Cromwell, Lord Nelson, Sir Bernard Law Montgomery



MONGOLS

GP: Chabi, Yeh-lu Chu'tsai, Zanabazar, Abaqa, Arghun, Sartaq, Berke

GA: Siqin Gaowa, Oljeitu, Tolui, Oghul Ghaymish, Uzbeg Khan, Dashdorjiin Natsagdorj, Rinchingyn Choinom, D. Altangerel, Gereltsogt, Byambasuren Davaa

GS: Minzu Wenyibao, Kumujil-yin Qoro, Nurhaci, Dayan Khan, Alghu, Biligtü Khan, Kaidu, Mandukhai Khatun

GE: Li Siguang, Ulan Bator, Guo, Zhang Wenqian, Toqta, Duwa, Töregene Khatun, Maidarzhavyn Ganzorig, Zhugderdemidiyn Gurragcha

GM: Altan Khan, Hulagu, Sorghaghtani, Gaykhatu, Güyük, Kadan, Mengu-Timur, Börte

GG: Ogodei, Jochi, Chagatai, Tolui, Toghril Khan, Mongke, Timur, Subedei, Mamai, Jebei



SPAIN

GP: St. Ignatius Loyola, Junipero Serra, Bartolome de Las Casas, Juan de Sepulveda, St. Teresa of Avila

GA: Pablo Picasso, Miguel de Cervantes, Diego de Silva Velazquez, Garcilaso de la Vega, El Greco, Francisco de Goya, Salvador Dali

GS: Juan de Ortega, Gherard of Cremona, Joao Baptista Lavanha, Fausto de Elhúyar, Arzachel, Miguel Servet

GE: Juan de Herrera, Ildefons Cerdà, Juan de la Cierva, Narcís Monturiol, Esteban Terradas i Illa, Leonardo Torres y Quevedo

GM: Christopher Columbus, Ferdinand Magellan, Ponce de Leon, Hernando de Soto, Juan Sebastián Elcano

GG: El Cid, Francisco Coronado, Hernando Cortes, Francisco Pizarro, Philip II,



VIKINGS

GP: Harold Bluetooth, Sweyn Forkbeard, Erling Skjalgsson, Aethelstan, Rorik, Lewi Pethrus, Kettil Karlsson Vasa

GA: Rembrandt, Vincent van Gogh, Olav Duun, Johan Nordahl Brun, Gustav Vigeland, Ingrid Bergman, Ingmar Bergman, Hans Christian Andersen

GS: Georg Stierhielm, Johannes Magnus, Gustav Vasa, Anders Angstrom, Niels Bohr, Tycho Brahe, Niels Stensen, Hans Oersted, Johannes Rydberg, Anders Celsius, Carolus Linnaeus

GE: Ivar Giaver, Sophus Lie, Niels Abel, Antony Van Leeuwenhoek, Christian Huygens, Svante Arrhenius, Jöns Jakob Berzelius, Alfred Nobel

GM: Leif Erickson, Eric the Red, Antony Van Diemen, Haakon Sigurdsson, Yngvar Vithforla, Ingvar Kamprad, Lars Ericsson, Sven Hedin

GG: Eric Bloodaxe, Gustavus Adolphus, Healfdene, Inwaaer, Hubba, Canute II, Olaf, William the Conqueror



OTTOMANS

GP: Rumi, Sokollu Mehmet Pasa, Mustafa Cagrici, Yaakov Culi, Judah Rosanes, Yakir Gueron,

GA: Yunus Emre, Hayali, Nesati, Gul Baba, Abidin Dino, Ihap Hulusi Gorey, Mehmet Akif Ersoy, Balyan, Atik Sinan, Alexander Vallaury, Kasemi

GS: Thabit Ibn Qurra, Callippus of Cyzicus, Sporus of Nicaea, Dionysodorus, Menaechmus, Cahit Arf, Qazi Zadeh, Oktay Sinanoglu, Feza Gürsey

GE: Sinan, Mustafa Kemal, Nizam-al-Mulk, al-Ghazali, Ratip Berker, Tekin Dereli, Erdal İnönü, Gazi Yasargil, Celâl Şengör, Ekmel Ozbay

GM: Evliya Celebi, Abdulmecid, Hormuzd Rassam, Vehbi Koç, Nejat Eczacıbaşı, Aydın Doğan, Nuri Demirağ

GG: Orhan, Murad I, Suleyman I, Selim, Bayezid II



CELTS

GP: Irenaeus, St. Columba, St. Columban, St. Ninian, Geoffrey of Monmouth, John Knox

GA: Owain Cyfeiliog, Dafydd ap Gwilym, Gawin Douglas, Robert Burns, Sean O'Faolain, William Butler Yeats, Samuel Beckett

GS: Maredudd ap Owain, Grufudd ap Llewelyn, Rhodri Maw, John de Baliol, Geoffrey Keating, George Stokes, William Rowan Hamilton, Sir Sam Edwards

GE: Charles Baird, John F. McIntosh, John Loudon McAdam, William Dargan, Harry Ferguson, Nicholas Callan, Edward George Bowen

GM: Llewelyn ap Gruffydd, Owain, Daffyd, David Alfred Thomas, Charles Stewart Rolls, George Everest

GG: Vercingetorix, Boudicca, Orgetorix, Caractacus, Cunobelinus, Dumnorix, Owain Glyndwr, Brude, Macbeth, Robert the Bruce



ARABIA

GP: Abu Bakr, Ali, Al-Farabi, Hasan, Muawiyah, Ismail, Al-Baqilani, Abd-al-Wahhab, Umar ibn al-Khattab, Uthman

GA: Ibn Muqlah, Abu Nuwas, Al-Mutanabbi, Ibn Quzman, Al-Maarri, Naguib Mahfouz, Ibn al-Nadim, Ahmad Reda, Jurjani, Ibn Furtu, Yaqut al-Hamawi

GS: Alhazen, Al-Kindi, Al-Khwarizmi, Abu Dharr al-Harawi, Ibn al-Nafis, Uthman al-Sabuni, Sahl ibn Ziyad, Ibrahim ibn Sinan, Thabit ibn Qurra, Al-Zarqali, Ibn Al-Jazzar, Alchabitius

GE: Nicomachus of Gerasa, Ali Abbas, Al-Jazari, Jabir ibn Hayyan, Abbas Ibn Firnas, Armen Firman, Al-Battani, Ibn Wahshiyah

GM: Ibn Battuta, Ahmad ibn Majid, Ibn Jubayr, Ahmad ibn Fadlan, Al-Waleed bin Talal, Ibn Hawqal, Al-Idrisi, Ibn Khaldun

GG: Mu'awiya, Hind, Ziyad Ibn Abihi, Saffah, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Baibers



CARTHAGE

GP: Acherbas, Tertullian, Cyprian, Donatus, St. Aurelius, St. Perpetua, St. Felicitas

GA: Kartobal, Orthobal, Syphax, Hiempsal, Micipsa, Sophonisba, Oxyntas

GS: Bomilcar, Tanit, Eshmuniaton, Mago, Hiram, Juba, Hasdrubal the Fair

GE: Ahmed Zewail, al-Haitham, Gauda, Zelalsen, Gala, Malchus

GM: Hanno the Navigator, Hanno the Great, Adherbal the Red, Himilco the Navigator, Bocchus

GG: Hamilcar Barca, Gisco, Xanthippus, Mago Barca, Himilco, Hasdrubal Barca, Jugurtha, Carthalo, Maharbal



KOREA

GP: Kim Yong-ok , Sun Myung Moon, Yi Hwang, Ichadon, Daegak Guksa, Ham Seok-heon, Young Shik Rhee

GA: Ko Un, Yulgok, Jeong Cheol, Owon, Yi Nyong, Cho Ki-Jung, Kim Tschang Yeul, Yoon Kwang-cho, Lee Yeongdo, Danwon, Kim Myeong-hui

GS: Seok Tong-sik, Taro Aso Han, Roh Moo Sun, Sejong the Great, Kim Soon-kwon, Ju Sigyeong, Won Pyong Oh, Jeong Dojeon, Choi Sejin, Yi Eon-jeok

GE: Jang Yeong-sil, Lee Jong-wook, Lee Whi-so, Seong Sammun, Woo Jang-choon, Ryoo Ryong, Yu Seong-ryong, Kim Myeong-yun, Choe Mu-seon

GM: Lee Kun-hee, Kim Yong-san, Chung Mong-hun, Lee Byung-chul, Chung Ju-yung, Eric B. Kim, Lee Soo Man, Nelson Shin

GG: Yi Song-gye, Chu-Mong, Pak Hyokkose, Onjo, Syngman Rhee, Kim Il Sung, Eulji Mundeok, Shin Rip



INCA

GP: El Bruho, Guyasuta, Old Smoke, Three Feathers, Yahuar Huacac, Ce Acatl Topiltzin

GA: Ah Cacao, Smoke-Monkey, Stormy Sky, Viracocha, Ninan Cuyochi, Ocllo

GS: Sinchi Roca, Manco Capac, Maita Capac, Titu Cusi, Huascar, Inca Roca, Guaman Poma

GE: Sipan-Itchi, Mana-Paoa, Kenu Curaua, Sayri Tupa Inca, Lloque Yupanqui, Capac Yupanqui

GM: Blue-Quetzal-Macaw, Eighteen Rabbit, Cauac-Sky, Tupa Inca-Yupanqui, Felipillo

GG: Pachacuti, Atahuallpa, Manco Inca, Tupa Amaru, Chalicuchima, Quisquis, Lautaro


MALI

GP: Ali Coulibaly, Wali Keita, Muhammad Abd al-Karim al-Maghili, Naré Maghann Konaté, Seku Amadu, Sidi Yahya, Julien Mory Sidibé, Askia Daoud

GA: Nare Maghann Konate, Gao, Lobi Traore, Abd Arahman ibn Faqi Mahmud, Ahmad Baba al-Massufi, Amadou Hampaté Ba, Ko Kan Ko Sata, Malick Sidibé, Moussa Konaté, Yambo Ouologuem, Ibrahima Aya

GS: Mahmud, Ahmed Baba, Ag Mohammed, Abu Al Baraaka, Mohammed ibn Mohammed Kara, Gaoussou Diawara, Massa Makan Diabaté, Al Aqib ibn Faqi Muhmud

GE: Al-Qadi Aqib ibn Mahmud ibn Umar, Abu Es Haq es Saheli, Mohammed Bagayogo, Sakura, Cheick Modibo Diarra, Mohamed Naddah, Manding Bory, Tieba Traoré

GM: Abubakari, Abu Bakr ibn Ahmad Biru, Leo Africanus, Wali Keita, Moctar Ouane, Tunka Manin

GG: Askia Muhammad, Askia Daud, Sundiata, Sunni Ali, Ngolo Diarra, Bitòn Coulibaly


Note that the list of names for the expanded Warlords mod is in posts 49 and 50, as it is too long to contain in one post.


Updates and Future Plans:
I am currently working on a Python version of this modcomp that will dispense with the need for the extra UUs, simplifying things quite a bit.

One final note: If you download either Warlords version, you should also download greatgeneralfix.zip, which contains Mexico's updated SDK. Just extract the DLL file to the Assets folder of the mod. If you have the Vanilla version, you don't have to download it, as there are no generals in Vanilla.
Here's the fix: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/96609/GreatGeneralFix.zip

(This is for Warlords 2.08 and has not been checked against the latest patch.)



…and lastly, the mod itself.

[Version 1.0 removed after 33 downloads.]
[Warlords version 1.0 removed after 33 downloads.]


A new Python version for BtS is now available! See here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=6261020#post6261020) for details.

What a great idea! This should definately be a part of the Ethnically Diverse Units Mod, and I think the idea of making unique Great People units for each civilization is fantastic. I am definately going to put something similar in the European Middle Ages Mod, and your list of names will be very useful. Thank you!

Dude, this is AWESOME! I was going to do this same thing myself for my mod, and I wasn't looking forward to researching ALL those names! I'll download this and take a look at it.

Thanks for making this!

It looks like the Total Realism modpack for Warlords implements unique people too, but I wasn't aware of it until after I posted this. At any rate, this mod is targeted more for people who don't want the game dynamics altered fundamentally, and the download size is of course much smaller.

Total Realism does look like a good source for additional names, though. I haven't had time to download it yet (it looks very impressive), but when I do I'll see about putting in more names, as some civs only have 3-4 names for certain GP types at present.

I have decided to go ahead and post the Warlords version of this mod, even though the great general feature still has some bugs in it. Hopefully, I'll get that ironed out sooner or later...

[EDIT: After downloading Total Realism, it looks as though they got the idea from me, based on the extreme similarity of some of the names (check out the Greek merchants). So at least after reading this people won't think I stole their idea. :)]

I have created versions for both Warlords and Vanilla, the only main difference being that the Warlords version has unique great general names, too. But at present I’m having some problems with the great generals in Warlords. For some reason, the game doesn’t seem to be using the names uniquely--it will use any name for any general born to any civilization. If anyone has any ideas on how to fix this, I would appreciate suggestions. The Civilopedia also unfortunately lists every single unique GP unit, which is a bit annoying, and I am trying to correct this.


not only generals, also others GP have this problem - it is bug(feature?) in game engine - this problem is solved in my unique GP mod (link in signature), which is developed as part of Total realism (as you mentioned before)
also we have updated civilopedia to show only default GP
so if you are interested, PM me, i can help you with this

Mexico

Excellent idea, I was thinking of this as well. Another example of modding a game as part of a community, now I can spend that time I would have used on another project. Thank you!

Well done, Gaius Octavius! :goodjob:

I use the same idea in my own mod, but only for Russian GP :D.

Oh my GAWD I just added Gaius Octavius' Unique GP names into my mod. I hope I never, ever have to go through THAT again in my life! 720 unique names in total. Added in Mexico's SDK mod too. This method is ridiculously cumbersome, I may at a later point create another method that doesn't require acres and acres of XML to make this work. i think the list of names for each civ could be put into an array or list, reducing the number of entries signifigantly.

My hat is off to Gaius for researching all those names and doing all this work in the first place. I edited your XML to make 5 names for every category. I also added text key tags for every name (proper method) which are all listed in Civ4TextInfos_GreatPeople.xml. When I was done I layed down on the floor and cried for an hour. But this is a very nice addition to the game.

Hopefully Firaxis will incorporate this idea into the next version, it was a heck of a lot of work but it certainly adds a lot to the game.

well done is it okay to use this as a base for my tester mod for some reason ive come with xml files but cant put them into play?

Oh my GAWD I just added Gaius Octavius' Unique GP names into my mod. I hope I never, ever have to go through THAT again in my life! 720 unique names in total... When I was done I layed down on the floor and cried for an hour. But this is a very nice addition to the game.

Hopefully Firaxis will incorporate this idea into the next version, it was a heck of a lot of work but it certainly adds a lot to the game.

Cumbersome is perhaps the understatement of the year! (You can imagine how long it took to actually find all these names!) :crazyeye: For the life of me, I really can't imagine why Firaxis did not carry this idea over from Civ 3 (okay, I guess I can, but laziness is no excuse!) Actually, I was originally going to do it the way you are "supposed" to--with XML tags for each language, which allows for translation. But then I decided that it wasn't likely that I'd be translating all these names any time soon, so I just listed them directly instead of creating a link to TXT_GREAT_PERSON. Hmm, I guess laziness is an excuse after all.

The real problem (and I've been saying this ever since Civ 4 came out) is the lack of a good, official, and comprehensive game editor like in Civ 3--remember how easy it was to change the GP names? What Firaxis doesn't seem to understand is that even though they've opened up the game to exciting new possibilities with Python and XML, they haven't made it truly available to the common man. The car was a wonderful device in the early 1900's, if you could afford one; but it didn't really change the world until mass production made it cheap enough for everybody to afford.

At any rate, the lists are compiled now and hopefully when Civ 5 comes out (or another expansion to Civ 4) the great wise men of Firaxis will deem it good and proper to include unique GP names for all the civs.

The newest version of Civ-Specific Great Leaders has been posted!
Major changes include many more great people names and a fix for the pesky multiple civilopedia entries.

More features and new additions are still to come...

I was just wondering.. are the GP lists in order from oldest to newest, eg. like so that Martin Luther (15th - 16th century) is spawned before Albert Schweitzer (19th - 20th century) in Germany as a great prophet?

It looks like it in the list but I need to make sure. I'm pretty sure that vanila civ does this with the entire pool of GP names, so that St Peter and Moses are spawned in ancient times and Albert Einstein is spawned late in the game.

I was just wondering.. are the GP lists in order from oldest to newest, eg. like so that Martin Luther (15th - 16th century) is spawned before Albert Schweitzer (19th - 20th century) in Germany as a great prophet?

It looks like it in the list but I need to make sure. I'm pretty sure that vanila civ does this with the entire pool of GP names, so that St Peter and Moses are spawned in ancient times and Albert Einstein is spawned late in the game.

Originally, yes, that was my plan. But the Warlords engine picks any name at random, so it kind of defeats the purpose to arrange them chronologically. This is actually good because it means you'll eventually see all the names, not just the first few. And this is why I'm doing the massive expansion of 2000+ names only for Warlords.

Vanilla Civ 4 still does it in order, though, so there I have largely tried to remain chronological. In several cases I have arranged them more in terms of importance or fame, otherwise people like Einstein would almost never be born, as they are 10 names down the list.

Hmm... you've gotten me thinking about modding my great people format to use age-specific as well as civ-specific names. I had actually thought about doing this before but it seemed too impractical.

Check your PMs. :)

Hmm... you've gotten me thinking about modding my great people format to use age-specific as well as civ-specific names. I had actually thought about doing this before but it seemed too impractical.


That would be great! I was nagging Gaurav to do this in the other thread but I don't think he was that enthusiastic about it. Hopefully you can do it :)
When you weigh up the odds between the two formats, the age-specific one is better than random because you can stand to get a few late-comer Great Merchants and such but I personally can't stand seeing modern GP in the ancient ages and vice-versa. "What were they thinking??" You would probably need to adjust the number of GP for each team though, so that the average player can get a GP in the right era. You can't have too many ancient GP otherwise you'll still be getting them at the end, however, you could have as many modern GP as you like, as long as the important ones aren't too far down the list. A bit of tweaking should do it :P Arranging them in terms of importance is a good idea, as long as they're still in the right era. I'm not sure how many GP I average each game, haven't played for a while (been modding)
Really though you shouldn't have to go to the trouble - Firaxis made a bad decision here, they should have kept it in order.
I would do it myself but as I said in the other thread, I've never touched python before, and it looks a lot harder than just changing stuff in the XML's. If you don't have time or something though I could try to learn :undecide:

Unfortunately, I don't have any python experience, but it might be possible to do the same thing in XML, like with the art tags for each era. But I have to admit that this is unfamiliar ground for me, and I might not be able to do it. Heck, I'm still trying to figure out how to fix the great general bug!

It would be a very nice addition, though. The major problem I see, outside of implementation, is coming up with names for some civs for each era. For ones like China, Rome, Greece, etc., it wouldn't be hard, but what exactly is an American ancient scientist? (Of course, this is exactly the same sort of thing I heard when I started this project--it's hard to find names for each civ. But there they are. :))

The solution I see would be to scale it in terms of each civ's life-span: in this case, America's ancient GP would be those from the early colonial period. Modern Aztecs could just be Mexicans, Incans would be Peruvians, etc. This would create chronological order. What do you think?

lil dissapointed Clint Eastwood aisnt in it, but its frickin awesome anyway!

Two Thumbs up!!

I still have to finish the big version, so you'll be seeing a lot more American great artists, including actors and actresses.

It would be a very nice addition, though. The major problem I see, outside of implementation, is coming up with names for some civs for each era. For ones like China, Rome, Greece, etc., it wouldn't be hard, but what exactly is an American ancient scientist? (Of course, this is exactly the same sort of thing I heard when I started this project--it's hard to find names for each civ. But there they are.

I had the same problem with the ancient american scientists (I merged your mod with the other Great Person Mod, the one with the pictures) which I'll upload when it's finished (with your permission of course and full credit to you and Gaurav) - I think that Edwin Hubble is the most ancient, then Einstein, but you already have them. It's hard to find other older ones. I'm mainly making artwork atm for your existing people but I'll be researching too.
You've done a good job with the names already though.

You will probably be pleased with the next expanded edition and get a lot of use out of it. Right now I have collected 1700 names, including a few American scientists who lived before Hubble, as well as later ones for the ancient civs (modern Egyptians, for instance). This will help balance things a little and would be much better for an age-specific mod (if I ever manage to do it) than the smaller list posted already. Also, Wyz_sub10 has a list from the mod that he and Jeckel were working on a few months back, so there are probably additional names there. Next stop, 3000...

I have to say I'm honored that this will be implemented in the Great Person mod. I always considered it to be one of the best, and when I saw it blended with mine in Total Realism I was pleasantly surprised.

You know, a thought occurred to me: we really ought to think about making some sort of petition or something to Firaxis to have them put this in a future expansion. It's not like the modding is that hard, and the lists are already compiled so it's not like they have to look them up again. And it doesn't change the gameplay, just the art, so it doesn't have to be balanced.
Just a thought. :)

Heck, I'm still trying to figure out how to fix the great general bug!

This isn't fixed by Mexico's SDK component?

Concerning the names you used for the Civs:

For Arabia: You used Mu'awiya twice, as Great General and as Prophet!

I'm in doubt whether to use the first 4 Caliphs as GPs. Why not use religiously innovative people like Al-Ghazzali, Ibn Arabi, Ja'far as-Sadiq, As-Shafii ?

Some more Great generals: Khalid ibn Al-Walid, Amr Ibn al-As, Tarek, Saif ad-Daula

Great Scientists: I think Al-Biruni is still missing as a major contributor.

Thabit Ibn Qurra is included twice: One time for the Arabs, one for the Turks.

You will probably be pleased with the next expanded edition and get a lot of use out of it. Right now I have collected 1700 names, including a few American scientists who lived before Hubble, as well as later ones for the ancient civs (modern Egyptians, for instance). This will help balance things a little and would be much better for an age-specific mod (if I ever manage to do it) than the smaller list posted already. Also, Wyz_sub10 has a list from the mod that he and Jeckel were working on a few months back, so there are probably additional names there. Next stop, 3000...

I have to say I'm honored that this will be implemented in the Great Person mod. I always considered it to be one of the best, and when I saw it blended with mine in Total Realism I was pleasantly surprised.

You know, a thought occurred to me: we really ought to think about making some sort of petition or something to Firaxis to have them put this in a future expansion. It's not like the modding is that hard, and the lists are already compiled so it's not like they have to look them up again. And it doesn't change the gameplay, just the art, so it doesn't have to be balanced.
Just a thought. :)

That's good to hear about the leaders, and I agree with the petition because this is steadily turning into a very high quality mod, with all the names and the individual art, which would look good in the next expansion.

I've also made a template for the modern era people (see pictures below) which I think suits them better than the tattered scroll. However, if we can't get this age-specific mod going then it makes getting those people in the ancient times even worse. For the american GP I used the american seal but a gold star could be used for other GP or their own country's seal or symbol etc. Also, most of the art created by Amra and the others didn't have the alpha channel and was displaying the background. So I fixed that for the others. All the ones below are american (haven't started on other civs yet) and also I have changed the pen colour to a wood colour in newer pics to make it not blend into the background.


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Ambassador:
Good catch. I already found some names I used twice, which is understandable as this project was done over many weeks. Of course, Firaxis did the same thing (Joan of Arc as both prophet and general) so at least I'm in good company! :) But thank you so much; I'm glad to see people are finally reporting mistakes. I can be totally blind to my own errors at times.

As for the names you mentioned, I have included some of them already in the new list, such as Khalid ibn Al-Walid, and I'll add the ones I don't have as well as fix the duplicates in the next release.

This raises a good point: my knowledge of history (and therefore of prominent people) is largely limited to the ancient Mediterranean, late Medieval and Renaissance Europe, and of course modern times, in particular America, so if anyone out there who knows a good amount of, say, Asian or African history, spots that some of the "big names" are missing, I would encourage you to please post them here. I want this to be as thorough as possible.

Chugginator:
Very good job on the art and quotes, though I was hoping to see my favorite Twain quote: "there's lies, and there's damned lies, and then there's statistics!" :lol: I do like the modern background; gives one a feeling of a scientist's notepad. Question: is the seal of the United States present for all modern GP art, or just for America's? I don't think you'd want that for other civs.

I think I can help you with some of the quotes; I'll try to collect a few of them and post them when I release the next list.

Gaurav:
I've been in contact with Mexico about his SDK mod because that's exactly what I thought to use first. But it just didn't work with my mod for some reason. I even tried the Total Realism SDK (as his mod is one part of it) but that didn't work either. He said he would take a look at it and see if maybe there was a bug in the code, but I haven't heard any new info on it yet.

Here are my civ-specific additions:

Greece

GP: Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Anaximander, Saint Photios
GA: Praxiteles, Apelles, Polygnotus, Pheidias, El Greco
GS: Zeno of Elea, Hippocrates, Dimitri Nanopoulos, Georgios Papanikolaou, Demetrios Christodoulou
GE: Pythagoras, Euclid, Hippodamus, Isidore of Miletus, Anthemius of Tralles
GM: Aristotle Onassis, Socrates Kokkalis, Basil Zaharoff, George Livanos, Stavros Niarchos
GG: Alcibiades, Themistocles, Leonidas, Miltiades, Pavlos Kountouriotis

Japan

GP: Dogen, Eisai, Kukai, Nichiren, Nikko Shonin
GA: Murasaki Shikibu, Ryokan, Saigyo, Kurosawa Akira, Mifune Toshiro
GS: Koichi Tanaka, Tetsuya Fujita, Susumu Tonegawa, Hideki Yukawa, Sin-Itiro Tomonaga
GE: Seki Takakazu, Kenkichi Iwasawa, Hidetsugu Aneha, Kunihiko Kodaira, Goro Shimura
GM: Kiichiro Toyoda, Soichiro Honda, Masaru Ibuka, Yataro Iwasaki, Akio Morita
GG: Minamoto no Yoritomo, Ashikaga Takauji, Taira no Kiyomori, Tojo Hideki, Isoroku Yamamoto

Russia

GP: Saint Nicholas, Olga Nikolaevna, Epiphanius the Wise, Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trosky
GA: Leo Tolstoy, Fyodor Dostoevsky, Modest Mussorgsky, Pyotr Tchaikovsky, Mikhail Baryshnikov
GS: Dmitri Mendeleyev, Pyotr Kapitsa, Karl Klaus, Nikolay Basov, Zhores Alferov, Nikolay Semyonov
GE: Sergei Korolev, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, Andrey Kvasov, Alexander Kokorinov, Yuri Gagarin
GM: Nikolay Novikov, Vagit Alekperov, Vladimir Lisin, Viktor Vekselberg, Mikhail Fridman
GG: Dmitri Donskoi, Pavel Nakhimov, Vasily Chuikov, Mikhail Skobelev, Aleksandr Suvorov

England

GP: Thomas More, Pope Adrian IV, Bertrand Russell, John Stuart Mill, Francis Bacon
GA: William Shakespeare, Charles Dickens, John Keats, Elizabeth Barrett Browning, Alfred Hitchcock
GS: Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin, Robert Boyle, Robert Hooke, Michael Faraday
GE: Henry Bessemer, Henry Royce, Geoffrey de Havilland, Christopher Wren, George Stephenson
GM: Abraham Darby, Josiah Wedgwood, William Morris, Cecil Rhodes, Richard Branson
GG: Horatio Nelson, Oliver Cromwell, Thomas Montagu, Arthur Wellesley, Robert Blake

Egypt

GP: Nefertiti, Shoshenq, Ptahhotep, Abbas Mahmoud el-Akkad, Yusuf al-Qaradawi
GA: Ahmed Shawqi, Hafiz Ibrahim, Abd al-Rahman Abnudi, Mahmoud Mokhtar, Sayed Darwish
GS: Ptolemy of Alexandria, Manetho, Ahmed H. Zewail, Farouk El-Baz, Nasr Abu Zayd
GE: Imhotep, Sneferu, Khufu, Ahmes, Senemut
GM: Ineni, Khaemweset, Maya, Onsi Sawiris, Fayez Shalaby Sarofim
GG: Thutmose III, Sammuramat, Weni the Elder, Mehemet Ali, Hanseen Abdelnaby

India

GP: Siddhartha Gautama, Chaitanya, Ayya Vaikundar, Swami Prabhupada, Dayananda Saraswati
GA: Raja Ravi Varma, Amrita Sher-Gil, Ravi Shankar, Satyajit Ray, Anil Kumar Dutta
GS: Panini, Aryabhata, Parameshvara, Chandrasekhara Venkata Raman, Subramanyan Chandrasekhar
GE: Yajnavalkya, Baudhayana, Madhava, Srinivasa Ramanujan, Jyeshtadeva
GM: Jamshetji Tata, Ghanshyam Das Birla, S. L. Kirloskar, Lakshmi Mittal, Azim Premji
GG: Ikshvaku, Chandragupta Maurya, Rajaraja Chola I, Jatavarman Sundara Pandyan, Alauddin Khilji

Zulu

GP: Mnguni, Zulu kaNtombhela, Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Steven Biko
GA: Phuzekhemisi, Mfazomnyama, Benedict Wallet Vilakazi, Pauline Malefane, Peter Mtuze
GS: Thebe Medupe, Fatima Meer, Thabo Mbeki, Yusuf Dadoo, Victoria Mxenge
GE: Mangosuthu Buthelezi, Nkosinkulu, Mdlani, Luzumana, Phunga kaGumede
GM: Mamphela Ramphele, Tokyo Sexwale, Cyril Ramaphosa, Patrice Motsepe, Basetsana Kumalo
GG: Senzangakhona, Mageba kaGumede, Dingane, Mpande, Dinuzulu

Celts

GP: Illtud, Richard Gwyn, Petroc, Piran, Richard Price
GA: Orlande de Lassus, Sarah Siddons, André Grétry, Dan Ar Braz, John Gibson
GS: William Salesbury, Realth Chalmers, Robert Recorde, William Pengelly,John Couch Adams
GE: John Dee, Richard Trevithick, Paul Hankar, George Everest, Victor Horta
GM: David Davies, John Josiah Guest, Charles Stewart Rolls, Alfred Lowenstein, Étienne Davignon
GG: Vercingetorix, Wagnijo, Ambiorix, Llywelyn the Great, Mark of Cornwall

Persia

GP: Zoroaster, Muawiya, Abu Bakr Alsideek, Al-Ma'mun, Mansur Al-Hallaj
GA: Firdawsi, Omar Khayyam, Reza Abbasi, Ibn Muqaffa, Iraj Mirza
GS: Azophi, Abdolrahman Sufi, Avicenna, Ali Ibn Rabn Tabari, Ahmad tayyeb Sarakhsi
GE: Ala'eddin, Musa al-Khwarizmi, Mashallah, Rhazes, Mahmud Ghazan, Abu Abbas Fazl Hatam
GM: Hassan Amin Al-zarb, Shah Abbas, Khwaja Hasan Shusteri, Mir Jumla, David Khalili
GG: Teispes, Darius I, Surena, Tariq ibn-Ziyad, Nadir Shah

Arabs

GP: Muhammad, Ibrahim, Dhu'l-kifl, Al-Yasa, Zakariyya
GA: Ibn Arabi, Khalil Gibran, Abdul Halim Radawi, Faisal Samra, Mohammed Al-Senan
GS: Jabir ibn Haiyan, Alkindus, Hunayn Ibn Ishaq, al-Masudi, Abu Jafar al-Tabari
GE: Thabit ibn Qurra, Abu Abdullah Al-Battani, Ibrahim ibn Sinan, Ibn Yunus, Omar Khayyam
GM: Al-Waleed bin Talal, Sulaiman Al Rajhi, Sulaiman S. Olayan, Saleh Kamel, Adnan Khashoggi
GG: Ahmed Ibn El Ghazi, Khalid bin Walid, Ali ibn Abi Talib, Muhammad bin Saud, Abdul Aziz bin Saud

Inca

(GP, GA, and GM are generic terms)

GP: Willaq of Inti, Willaq of Kon, Willaq of Illapa, Willaq of Mama Quilla, Willaq of Supay
GA: Inkan rumiru, Inkan pintay, Inkan rullanu, Inkan tarka, Inkan takiy
GS: Mama Ocllo, First Yachayhuasis, Second Yachayhuasis, Third Yachayhuasis, Fourth Yachayhuasis
GE: Manco Capac, Willaq uma, Wasichay Tiwanaku, Wasichay Machu Picchu, Wasichay Kalasasaya
GM: First Acllawasi, Second Acllawasi, Third Acllawasi, Fourth Acllawasi, Fifth Acllawasi
GG: Sinchi Roca, Pachacuti, Tupac Inca, Tupac Amaru II, Atahualpa

Mali (Sen/Mal)

GP: Abu Bakr, Mahmud, Al-Hajj Umar Tall, Mabba Jaxu Ba, Blaise Diagne
GA: Soueloum Diagho, Kele Monson Diabate, Doumbi Fakoly, Fanta Damba, Falaba Issa Traore
GS: Ibrahima Aya, Alpha Mande Diarra, Amadou Hampate Ba, Abdou Diouf, Segolene Royal
GE: Koi Kunboro, Ismaila Traore, Abdoulaye Gaye, Sanoussi Diakite, Jacques Diouf
GM: Babani Sissoko, Abderahmane Sow, Saikou Ceesay, Oumou Sy, Lally Diab
GG: Sundiata Keita, Mansa Wali Keita, Sakura, Musa II, Suleyman, Aoua Keita

Mongolia

GP: Sorghaghtani Beki, Altan Khaan, Gendun Drup, Gendun Gyatso, Zanabazar
GA: Dashdorjiin Natsagdorj, Tsendyn Damdinsuren, Bilegiin Damdinsuren, Oyuun, Ulambayar
GS: Shihikhutug, Chagatai, Roy Chapman Andrews, Jargal Jamsranjav, Narantuya Davaa
GE: Mongke Khan, Hulagu Khan, Jochi, Batu Khan, Jugderdemidiyn Gurragcha
GM: Aldanjavyn Ayush, Hatmut Bartsch, Bayasgalan, Jargalsaikhan, Enkhee
GG: Yesugei, Ogedei Khan, Tamerlane, Sabotai, Sukhbaatar

America

GP: St. Elizabeth Seton, Martin Luther King Jr., Joseph Smith, Billy Sunday, St. Rose Duchesne
GA: Ernest Hemingway, Georgia O’Keefe, Elvis Presley, John Ford, Winslow Homer
GS: Thomas Edison, Linus Pauling, Jonas Salk, John Bardeen, Murray Gell-Mann
GE: Eli Whitney, Wright Brothers, Robert Goddard, Williams Coolidge, Frank Lloyd Wright
GM: Adam Smith, Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller, Sam Walton, Bill Gates
GG: Nathanael Greene, Ulysses S. Grant, Robert E. Lee, Douglas MacArthur, George S. Patton

Aztec

(GA named after specific art works)

GP: Quetzalcoatl, Tenoch, Moctezuma I, Ahuitzotl, Cuauhtemoc
GA: Tablet of Founding, Standing Male Figure, Obsidian Monkey, House of Dawn, Sculpture of Xochipilli
GS: Tonalpouque of Sacred Round, Tonalpouque Tonalpohualli, Tonalpouque Xiuhmolpilli, Tonalpouque Tonalamatl, Tonalpouque Tonatiuh
GE: Acamapichtli, Huitzilihuitl, Chimalpopoca, Tizoc, Nezahualcoyotl
GM: Pochtecas Tenoch, Pochtecas Tuxpan, Pochtecas Tacupa, Pochtecas Texcoco, Pochtecas Huaxyacac
GG: Axayacatl, Ahuitzotl, Cuitlahuac, Itzcoatl, Ilhuicamina

Korea

GP: Daegak Guksa, Ichadon, Tae-geon Kim, Moon Sun-myung, Jin-suk Cheong
GA: Owon, Jeong Cheol, Lee Eun Cheol, Jo Su-mi, Kang Chol-Hwan
GS: Yi Hwang, Kim Soon-kwon, Ju Si-gyeong, Hwang Woo-Suk, Lee Whi-so
GE: Dangun, Munseong, Jang Young Sil, Chungnyeol, Seong Sam-Mun,
GM: Shin Kyuk-ho, Lee Kun-Hee, Kim Woo-joong, Kim Chong-Won, Chung Mong-hun
GG: Shin Sung-gyeom, Eulji Mundeok, Gang Hong-rip, Yi Sun-sin, Kim Il-sung

Spain

GP: Isidore of Seville, Ignatius of Loyola, Bartolome de Las Casas, Teresa of Avila, George Santayana
GA: Francisco de Goya, Miguel de Cervantes, Pablo Picasso, Salvador Dali, Pedro Almodovar
GS: Arnold of Villanova, Andres Manuel del Rio, Mateu Orfila, Santiago Ramon y Cajal, Severo Ochoa
GE: Arzachel, Leonardo Torres y Quevedo, Ildefons Cerda, Antoni Gaudi, Esteban Terradas i Illa
GM: Joseph de la Vega, Juan March Ordinas, Juan Sanchez Vidal, Amancio Ortega, Rafael del Pino
GG: Trajan, Francisco Pizarro, Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba, Pedro Navarro, Hernan Cortes

Turkey

GP: Husayn, Junayd Baghdadi, Adnan Oktar, Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Rumi, Shaykh Nazim al-Qubrusi
GA: Osman Hamdi Bey, Gul Baba, Halide Edip Adivar, Nazim Hikmet, Erkan Genis
GS: Hulusi Behcet, Piri Reis, Tahsin Ozguc, Feza Gursey, Semra Dundar
GE: Sinan, Ustad Isa, Isa Muhammad Effendi, Mahmud of Ghazni, Cahit Arf
GM: Rahmi Koc, Omer Sabanci, Nejat Eczacibasi, Sevket Sabanci, Aydin Dogan
GG: Osman I, Alptigin, Suleiman the Magnificent, Murad I, Sokollu Mehmet Pasa

Carthage

GP: Dido, Acherbas, St Aurelius, St Perpetua, St Felicitas
GA: Albert Memmi, Mahmoud Messadi, Ammar Farhat, Mohamed Abderrazaq, Abdelkader Abderrazaq
GS: Hannibal the Rhodian, Hasdrubal Clitomacus, Xanthippus, Roumeika Ben Amara, Ezzedine Triki
GE: Melchus, Mago Barca, Hanno the Navigator, Himilco the Navigator, Jamel Hanbli
GM: Hanno the Great, Hamilcar Saunites, Bomilkar, Azzedine Alaia, Tarak Ben Ammar
GG: Hamilcar Barca, Adherbal, Maharbal, Hasdrubal Barca, Habib Bourguiba

Viking

GP: Ragnar Lodbrok, Healfdene Ragnarsson, Inwaaer the Boneless, Ubbe Ragnarsson, Olav Haraldsson
GA: Egill Skallagrimsson, Halldor Kiljan Laxness, Hans Christian Andersen, Einar Hjorleifsson Kvaran, Hans Kirk
GS: Kari Stefansson, Soren Kierkegaard, Niels Bohr, Niels Finsen, Asgeir Helgason
GE: Freydis Eiriksdottir, Ingolfur Arnarson, Harold Bluetooth, Helgi Eyvindarson, Iorgen Kruger
GM: Erik the Red, Leif Ericson, Bjarni Herjolfsson, Skuli Magnusson, Maersk Mc-Kinney Moller
GG: Askold, Dir, Eirik Bloodaxe, Brodir, Harald Hardrada

These were submitted to Jeckel from someone else. (I tweaked them)

Rome

Great Prophet: St. Paul, St. Peter, St. John, St. Augustine, St. Patrick, St. Thomas Aquinas
Great Artist: Virgil, Horace, Juvenal, Lucretius, Pliny, Plutarch, Dante Alighieri, Michelangelo, Raphael,
Great Scientist: Strabo, Cicero, Sosigenes, Pliny the Elder, Livius, Vitruvius, Galileo, Enrico Fermi,
Great Engineer: Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa, Apollodorus, Leonardo da Vinci, Guglieilmo Marconi
Great Merchant: Lucius Caecilius Jucundus, Publius Sittius, Titus Pomponius Atticus, Marco Polo, Giovanni de Medici, Enrico Dandolo
Great General: Cincinnatus, Scipio Africanus, Gaius Marius, Sulla, Pompey, Germanicus, Vespasian, Trajan, Hadrian, Marcus Aurelius

Germany

GP: Albertus Magnus, Martin Luther, Eusebius Amort, Philipp Melanchthon, Hildegard of Bingen
GA: JS Bach, Ludwig van Beethoven, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Johann Wolfgang Goethe, Johannes Brahms, Richard Wagner
GS: Werner Heisenberg, Carl Friedrich Gauss, Nicolaus Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, Gottfried Leibniz, Heinrich Hertz
GE: Nikolaus August Otto, Johann Gutenberg, Bernhard Philberth, Wernher von Braun, Gottlieb Daimler, Fritz Haber, Ernst Heinkel, Wilhelm Schickard
GM: Gerardus Mercator, August Horch, Ferdinand von Zeppelin, Johann Homann
GG: Arminius, Erwin Rommel, Erich von Manstein, Barbarossa, Maximilian, Charles V, Heinz Guderian

China

GP: Mencius, Han Fei, Confucius, Wang Yuanlu, Chuang Tzu, Mo Tzu
GA: Li Po, Du Fu, Wang Xizhi, Leung Long Chau, Ling Lun,
GS: Xi Ling Shi, Zu Chongzhi, Daniel Chee Tsui, Yuan T. Lee, Tsien Hsue-shen, Su Buqing
GE: Cai Lun, Qian Sanqiang, Charles Kao, Zhang Heng, Bi Sheng
GM: Zhang Qian, Wang Anshi, Zheng He, Lo Hong-Shui, Zhou Zhengyi, Xu Xiake
GG: Sun Tzu, Chang Tso-lin, Cao Cao, Shi Lang, Zhuge Liang

France

GP: Joan of Arc**, Sebastian Castellio, John Calvin, Hubert Languet, Gabriel Marcel
GA: Victor Hugo, Claude Monet, Edouard Manet, Pierre-Auguste Renoir, François Truffaut, Hector Berlioz
GS: Louis Pasteur, Rene Descartes, Marie Curie, Antoine Lavoisier, Pierre-Simon Laplace, Pierre de Fermat
GE: Blaise Pascal, Charles Augustin de Coulomb, Alexandre Gustave Eiffel, Joseph Marie Jacquard, Ferdinand de Lesseps, Louis Daguerre
GM: Coco Chanel, Jacques Cartier, Robert de LaSalle, Jean-Baptiste Say
GG: Charles Martel, Charlemagne, Joan of Arc**, Murat, Charles DeGaulle, Louis-Joseph de Montcalm, Lafayette

I have some names from the CIV Gold civs (only a couple each). Let me know if you want them.

Thanks very much, Wyz_sub10! I can already see a number of names I don't have. :goodjob:

These were submitted to Jeckel from someone else. (I tweaked them)

Um, you might want to take a gander at this, say around post #9...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=179662
Sorry. I couldn't resist. :D But I really do appreciate all this very much.

Keep the feedback coming, guys, and please rate this thread if you like it!

Um, you might want to take a gander at this, say around post #9...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=179662
Sorry. I couldn't resist. :D But I really do appreciate all this very much.

:lol: Well, one good turn...

Very good job on the art and quotes, though I was hoping to see my favorite Twain quote: "there's lies, and there's damned lies, and then there's statistics!" :lol: I do like the modern background; gives one a feeling of a scientist's notepad. Question: is the seal of the United States present for all modern GP art, or just for America's? I don't think you'd want that for other civs.

I think I can help you with some of the quotes; I'll try to collect a few of them and post them when I release the next list.

I'll change the Twain quote :) ( I personally don't really know much about him, just that he wrote Adventures of Huckleberry Finn which I've never read :P) Also may I suggest J.R.R. Tolkien for another english great artist?
Of course I won't use the American seal for all the civs lol, I'll use their country's seals for their great people, or in the case of the Aztecs, maybe a Mexican seal etc. as these are modern GP (I think an Aztec symbol is actually present on Mexico's flag.)

Thanks for all the quotes as well, these will save a bit of time :)


Um, you might want to take a gander at this, say around post #9...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=179662
Sorry. I couldn't resist. :D But I really do appreciate all this very much.


lol

Ambassador:
Good catch. I already found some names I used twice, which is understandable as this project was done over many weeks. Of course, Firaxis did the same thing (Joan of Arc as both prophet and general) so at least I'm in good company! :) But thank you so much; I'm glad to see people are finally reporting mistakes. I can be totally blind to my own errors at times.

As for the names you mentioned, I have included some of them already in the new list, such as Khalid ibn Al-Walid, and I'll add the ones I don't have as well as fix the duplicates in the next release.

This raises a good point: my knowledge of history (and therefore of prominent people) is largely limited to the ancient Mediterranean, late Medieval and Renaissance Europe, and of course modern times, in particular America, so if anyone out there who knows a good amount of, say, Asian or African history, spots that some of the "big names" are missing, I would encourage you to please post them here. I want this to be as thorough as possible.

Chugginator:
Very good job on the art and quotes, though I was hoping to see my favorite Twain quote: "there's lies, and there's damned lies, and then there's statistics!" :lol: I do like the modern background; gives one a feeling of a scientist's notepad. Question: is the seal of the United States present for all modern GP art, or just for America's? I don't think you'd want that for other civs.

I think I can help you with some of the quotes; I'll try to collect a few of them and post them when I release the next list.

Gaurav:
I've been in contact with Mexico about his SDK mod because that's exactly what I thought to use first. But it just didn't work with my mod for some reason. I even tried the Total Realism SDK (as his mod is one part of it) but that didn't work either. He said he would take a look at it and see if maybe there was a bug in the code, but I haven't heard any new info on it yet.

sorry guys, i am so busy in last two weeks, don't have time to do anything (even for TR mod :( ) - but i don't forget

sorry guys, i am so busy in last two weeks, don't have time to do anything (even for TR mod :( ) - but i don't forget

No problem, take as much time as you need :D

I'll change the Twain quote :) ( I personally don't really know much about him, just that he wrote Adventures of Huckleberry Finn which I've never read :P) Also may I suggest J.R.R. Tolkien for another english great artist?
Of course I won't use the American seal for all the civs lol, I'll use their country's seals for their great people, or in the case of the Aztecs, maybe a Mexican seal etc. as these are modern GP (I think an Aztec symbol is actually present on Mexico's flag.)

Thanks for all the quotes as well, these will save a bit of time :)



lol

Sorry, I didn't mean to make you think you had to change any quotes; I always just liked that one. Apparently, though, it was not originally his own, but just something that he popularized. http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/maths/histstat/lies.htm
So your existing one is probably better. I have a lot of sourced quotes from others not present in the previous GP mod, so I'll see if I can compile some more and send them to you.

J.R.R. Tolkien is a good choice. I was also considering J.K. Rowling, Arthur C. Clarke (should he be British or American?) and other contemporary people (maybe John Cleese? :crazyeye: ). England alone now has 128 names and growing.

Hi Gaius Octavius,

I've spotted this thread and I think we could use it for another Mod : The "Rhye's and Fall of Civilizations (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=177)" from Rhye.

We are still in discussion about my suggestion, but we are fighting now to collect Babylonian Great People's name (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5110730&posted=1#post5110730)(Yes, Babylon has been implement in the mod).

Do you mind, by the way, to use your very impressive collection?

Thanks anyway for your contribution

I would be honored to have it in Rhye's excellent work! I have a partial list for Babylon already, so I'll see what I can do...

Hmm. There are great people in history who don't really fit these categories or the gameplay. Two that came to mind were Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King Jr. King was a reverend, IIRC; but great prophet doesn't quite fit; better to increase culture, but he's not a great artist, per se. Great leaders with favorite civics sounds appropos, but they're not really statesmen. hmmm.

Ambassador:
Good catch. I already found some names I used twice, which is understandable as this project was done over many weeks. Of course, Firaxis did the same thing (Joan of Arc as both prophet and general) so at least I'm in good company! :)

Actually, for Joan of Arc, that make sense as she was both.
Now, you should use her true name, which is Jeanne d'Arc.

For the French again, Coco Channel is more an artist than a merchant.

Actually, for Joan of Arc, that make sense as she was both.
Now, you should use her true name, which is Jeanne d'Arc.

For the French again, Coco Channel is more an artist than a merchant.

According wo Wikipedia, her name in Latin (the only written language of the time) was Jeanne Darc. [No apostraphe.] The spelling of her name in French (Jeanne d'Arc) and English (Joan of Arc) are based on what people who spoke those vernacular languages (which literate people thought of like your schoolteachers think of slang today) came to say.

Due to this history in Europe, people routinely translate proper nouns. After all, we don't call French Français, do we?

Constantine can be thought of as a GP and GG; Isaac Newton was a scientist, theologian (he wrote more on religion than science), and engineer; Thomas Alva Edison was a scientist, engineer, and businessman, and similarly for Henry Ford; Leonardo da Vinci was all these things and more. My point is that we just can't have duplicate entries, or it would get ridiculous. Got to go with the category of their most well-known contributions. I don't think people want to see the same person born three times over the course of a game. And we have over 2000 names, so it's not like there's a shortage.

is Jon Von Neumann in your list ( can be used both for america and hungary ) as a great scientist ?

For Joan of Arc, she didn't spread the faith but she was motivated by faith. It shall discard her to be a Great Prophet !
Nobody teach me about a mispelling in her name. All I can guess is typo at wikipedia or she was made noble.

Absolutely John von Neumann is in the list! He made pretty significant contributions to computer science, mathematics and more.

For Joan of Arc, I currently have her listed as a prophet, though I may change this. I thought I actually had her under generals, as that seems more obvious to me. Oh well...

Well Done, G.O.! This is very well done, and is much needed.

I enjoy using TheLopez's Inquisition Mod, can I manually combine this Mod with that, or will that cause a problem with gameplay? Can this Mod be used with other Mods?

Absolutely John von Neumann is in the list! He made pretty significant contributions to computer science, mathematics and more.

For Joan of Arc, I currently have her listed as a prophet, though I may change this. I thought I actually had her under generals, as that seems more obvious to me. Oh well...

I think you originally had her under both.

Re: Martin Luther King Jr., I think that "prophet" is fine. In my Canadian mod, I have secular humanist Charles Taylor as a prophet. Prophet doesn't necessarily have to be religious. They can be a social visionary or activist as well, IMO.

Also, how do you feel about collaborating on a CIV Gold version that takes into account 70+ new civs? :)

This can be done several ways, but one option is to make full lists for countries that can support them (Canada, Sweden, Hungary, Portugal, etc.) and "pool lists" (based on continent, perhaps) for those less able to support them (Togo, Yemen, upcoming Oxus and Jomon cultures).

Edward The Big:
In theory this mod can be used with any other mod, as there are no real rule changes except for the new UU's and the bgraphicalonly tag, which eliminates the extra 120 civilopedia entries. But this does not change the game dynamics fundamentally. You might run into some trouble if TheLopez's mod changes the same XML files (haven't seen it, so I don't know), but even if it does I'm sure you can still combine them.

Wyz_sub10:
Yeah, I had Joan as both originally until I just had to make a decision for one or the other in the first release. So she's a prophet right now, subject to change without notice. :)

Actually, I tried to avoid putting major secular or atheist figures in as prophets, as I thought this might cause some controversy among both religious and non-religious people; I figured religious people would object because of their non-religious and in some cases even strongly anti-religious status, and the non-religious people would object because it would bring up the old debate over whether atheism and secular humanism are bona fide religions. I'm not familiar with Charles Taylor (there was a Charles Taylor who was the Wright Brothers' mechanic, but I'm sure this is not the same one!).

With MLK, he's not really a prophet in the strict sense but you can at least make the argument that he was an ordained minister and campaigned for civil rights out of his Christian convictions, same with people like William Wilberforce, etc. Plus, due to the fact that prophets can build shrines, which spread religion... well, I just thought it best to restrict the category somewhat. But there are many philosophers, and not necessarily overtly religious ones, in the lists, especially in the Far Eastern civs where there is little or no distinction between philosophy and religion.

Most influential secular thinkers made contributions in other areas anyway, e.g. we could have Isaac Asimov as a scientist or artist, just as I have Blaise Pascal as a scientist. So generally you will find them in there, just not as prophets.

70 new civs in CIV Gold... Oh boy, over 2000 more names, minimum! That would certainly be a challenge, though it might create some problems as I have used, for instance, a few Austrians in my lists for Germany (and similarly for others too). Since your mod would need both, it would take time to check the entries and reorganize them, but it's doable. The real difficulty, as you say, is coming up with names for the lesser civs, but I like your pool list idea. Sort of like the "break it down by culture" option I read somewhere, though this would involve python work and as you know I am not very good at that. I am happy to compile mini-lists (I've done two already for Grave and Rhye), which have three or so names per category, but I presently don't have the time to find 20 names per type for each civ.

Actually, I tried to avoid putting major secular or atheist figures in as prophets, as I thought this might cause some controversy among both religious and non-religious people; I figured religious people would object because of their non-religious and in some cases even strongly anti-religious status, and the non-religious people would object because it would bring up the old debate over whether atheism and secular humanism are bona fide religions.

That makes perfect sense. My rationale was a liberal interpretation of the word "prophet" and the desire to cast a wider net to include some great visionaries who may not fall under the header of religious figure.

Most influential secular thinkers made contributions in other areas anyway, e.g. we could have Isaac Asimov as a scientist or artist, just as I have Blaise Pascal as a scientist. So generally you will find them in there, just not as prophets.

That's cool.

70 new civs in CIV Gold... Oh boy, over 2000 more names, minimum! That would certainly be a challenge, though it might create some problems as I have used, for instance, a few Austrians in my lists for Germany (and similarly for others too). Since your mod would need both, it would take time to check the entries and reorganize them, but it's doable. The real difficulty, as you say, is coming up with names for the lesser civs, but I like your pool list idea. Sort of like the "break it down by culture" option I read somewhere, though this would involve python work and as you know I am not very good at that. I am happy to compile mini-lists (I've done two already for Grave and Rhye), which have three or so names per category, but I presently don't have the time to find 20 names per type for each civ.

There are some options. One would be "list sharing" (which would piss some people off, but it's an option - i.e. Germany + Austria, Russia + Ukraine).

The "pool" option would work fine, I think. As long as you had 1-3 people from a specific civ, you could operate a pool. As long as there were a couple Togolese, the rest could share with Mali (and maybe Nigeria). The Maghreb and Nubians could share with Egypt, the Arabs with Yemen and...?

It's not ideal, but its workable.

I just had a random thought (don't know how this might be received by everybody). Suppose we had a list with only a few names (e.g., Togolese names). Perhaps we could implement a check to see if another civ (in this case, say Mali) is in the game, and if they're not then the 1st civ could also use those names after it's exhausted its own. That way the Nubians could use Egyptian names if they run out and if Egypt is not already in. Is this what you were thinking already?

Pretty much. Although if Egypt is playing and Nubia is playing, it narrows the list for Nubians.

However, we could have a mass common pool derived of 1) nations not included (although for Gold, that would be a short list ;)), or 2) people who are superfluous to other nations.

A few people were interested in seeing my new list for 2001 Great People, so here it is. There might be just a few more names in the list than are actually in the mod (I've added a few since I posted it), but 99% of them are in there.
Heh. The list is so long the forum won't let me post it. I'll have to break it into two parts.

Part 1:

ROME

GP: St. Peter, St. Paul, St. John, St. Augustine, St. Patrick, St. Thomas Aquinas, Eusebius, St. Ambrose, St. Benedict, Leo the Great, Gregory the Great, Origen, Jerome, St. Martin

GA: Virgil, Horace, Juvenal, Lucretius, Ovid, Plutarch, Saturninus, Dante Alighieri, Michelangelo, Raphael, Caravaggio, Fra Angelico, Giotto di Bondone, Sandro Botticelli, Antonio Caldar, Plautus, Seneca, Livius

GS: Livy, Strabo, Cato, Cicero, Sosigenes, Pliny the Elder, Julius Pollux, Galileo, Enrico Fermi, Stanislao Cannizzaro, Amedeo Avogadro, Petrarch, Suetonius

GE: Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa, Apollodorus, Hitarius, Vitruvius, Leonardo da Vinci, Brunelleschi, Guglieilmo Marconi

GM: Lucius Caecilius Jucundus, Publius Sittius, Titus Pomponius Atticus, Marco Polo, Amerigo Vespucci, Giovanni de Medici, Enrico Dandolo, Marcus Licinius Crassus, Umberto Nobile

GG: Scipio Africanus, Gaius Marius, Sulla, Pompey, Germanicus, Vespasian, Trajan, Hadrian, Marcus Aurelius, Septimius Severus, Constantine



EGYPT

GP: Moses, Akhenaten, Mehryra, Ptahhotep, Djedptahiufankh, Petiese, Herihor, Masaherta, Iuput, Nimlot, Takelot, Menkheperre, Osorkon, Osarseph, Henutmehyt, Petosiris, Shoshenq, Djediufankh, Clement of Alexandria, Abbas Mahmoud el-Akkad, Yusuf al-Qaradawi

GA: Khaemweset, Yuny, Ineni, Amenemhat III, Khafre, Amenhotep III, Pami, Aktoy, Nefertari, Merneptah, Setnakhte, Rekhmire, Djhutmose, Ahmed Shawqi, Hafiz Ibrahim, Abd al-Rahman Abnudi, Mahmoud Mokhtar, Sayed Darwish

GS: Merit Ptah, Ptolemy, Hypatia, Conon, Diophantus, Pappus, Manetho, Ahmes, Harkhebi, Hesy-Ra, Horapollo, Penthu, Dedi, Peseshet, Ahmed H. Zewail, Farouk El-Baz, Nasr Abu Zayd

GE: Imhotep, Khaemwase, Zoser, Snefru, Senenmut, Kha, Djoser, Pepi, Tetisheri, Siptah, Amenmesse, Twosret, Hemon, Minmose, Linant Pasha

GM: Harkuf, Piye, Alara, Maya, Ahmose Pen-Nekhebet, Ramose, Tiye, Wenamun, Userhet, Yuya, Zenon, Onsi Sawiris, Fayez Shalaby Sarofim

GG: Menes, Ramses, Khufu, Mentuhotep, Seti, Na'rmer, Thutmose, Ahmose, Weni, Amun-her-wenemef, Mehemet Ali, Hanseen Abdelnaby




GREECE

GP: Heraclitus, Parmenides, Epicurus, Philolaus, Clea, Avaris, Didymus, Anacharsis, Theophrastus, St. Cyril, St. Methodius, Michael Cerularius, Photios, Vissarion Korkoliacos, Timaeus, Pherecydes

GA: Homer, Thespis, Thucydides, Exekias, Apelles, Sophocles, Euripides, Herodotus, Apollonius, Aeschylus, Euphronios, Polyclitus, Nicholaos Gysis, Demetrios Galanis, Alypius, Parrhasius, Polygnotus, Alcaeus, Procopius, Praxiteles, Pheidias

GS: Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, Pythagoras, Eratosthenes, Leucippus, Democritus, Anaxagoras, Eudoxus, Anaximenes, Anaximander, Galen, Hecateus, Theopompus, Dimitri Nanopoulos, Diodoros, Georgios Papanikolaou, Demetrios Christodoulou, Hippocrates

GE: Archimedes, Heron, Thales, Empedocles, Zeno, Philo, Satyros, Aristarchus, Menelaus, Callicrates, Ictinus, Michael Dertouzos, Anthemius, Isidore, Hipparchus

GM: Pytheas, Croesus, Androsthenes, Cosmas Indicopleustes, Megasthenes, Aristotle Socrates Onassis, Socratis Kokkalis, Colaeus, Nearchus, Yiannis Carras, Haim Benrubi, Basil Zaharoff, Stavros Niarchos, George Livanos,

GG: Leonidas, Lysander, Pyrrhus, Hector, Ajax, Ulysess, Philip, Parmenion, Lacedaimonius, Miltiades the Younger, Pericles, Themistocles, Coes, Xenophon, Pavlos Kountouriotis, Dimitris Plapoutas, Theodoros Kolokotronis, Alcibiades



GERMANY

GP: Albertus Magnus, Martin Luther, Eusebius Amort, Philipp Melanchthon, Hildegard of Bingen, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Albert Schweitzer, Johann Eck, Jan Hus, Johannes Agricola, Helmut Thielicke, Matthias Faber, Benedict XVI,

GA: JS Bach, Ludwig van Beethoven, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Johann Wolfgang Goethe, Johannes Brahms, Richard Wagner, Richard Strauss, Georg Friedrich Händel, Franz Kafka, Emil Nolde, Albrecht Dürer, Felix Mendelssohn, Albrecht Altdorfer, Lucas Cranach, Hans Holbein, Ludwig Mies van der Rohe, Otto Klemperer, Werner Klemperer

GS: Werner Heisenberg, Carl Friedrich Gauss, Nicolaus Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, Gottfried Leibniz, Heinrich Hertz, Erwin Schrodinger, Max Planck, Wilhelm Roentgen, Paracelsus, Wolfgang Pauli, Bernhard Riemann, Felix Hoffman, Georg Wittig, Johannes Georg Bednorz, Carl Wilhelm Scheele, Gustav Robert Kirchhoff, Max Weber, Max Born, Ludwig Boltzmann

GE: Nikolaus August Otto, Johann Gutenberg, Bernhard Philberth, Wernher von Braun, Gottlieb Daimler, Fritz Haber, Ernst Heinkel, Wilhelm Schickard, Robert Bunsen, Otto Hahn, Wilhelm Maybach, Felix Wankel, Fritz Todt, Gerd Binnig, Rudolf Diesel, Alexander Martin Lippisch, Siegfried Marcus, Hellmuth Walter, Carl von Linde, Otto Lilienthal, Otto von Guericke,

GM: Gerardus Mercator, August Horch, Ferdinand von Zeppelin, Johann Homann, Ferdinand Porsche, Carl Benz, Adolf Dassler, Franz Adolf Eduard Luderitz, Hugo Boss, Ludwig Purtscheller, Hans Meyer, Hugo Junkers,

GG: Arminius, Erwin Rommel, Erich von Manstein, Barbarossa, Maximilian, Charles V, Heinz Guderian, Günther von Kluge, Wilhelm I of Prussia, Wilhelm von Tegetthoff, Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck, Albrecht von Wallenstein



RUSSIA

GP: Nikolai Berdyaev, Georges Florovsky, Aleksei Losev, Rasputin, Feofan Prokopovich, Paisiy Yaroslavov, Andronic Nikolsky, Sergius of Radonezh, Georgy Vins, Pavel of Taganrog, Sylvester, Vladimir I of Kiev, Madame Blavatsky,

GA: Leo Tolstoy, Anton Chekhov, Dostoyevsky, Aleksandra Ekster, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Tchaikovsky, Yevgeny Aleksandrovich Yevtushenko, Igor Stravinsky, Andrei Rublev, Nikolay Karamzin, Vaslav Nijinsky, Antonin Dvorak, Marc Chagall, Sergei Prokofiev, Denis Ivanovich Fonvizi, Marius Petipa, Karl Briullov, Modest Mussorgsky, Mikhail Baryshnikov

GS: Andrei Sakharov, Mikhail Lomonosov, Ivan Pavlov, Dmitri*Mendeléev, Holonyak, Nicolai Lobachevsky, Nikolai Koltsov, Yakov Borisovich Zel'dovich, Nikolai Semenov, Nikolay Basov, Karl Klaus, Mikhail Ostrogradsky, Mikhail Tsvet, Pyotr Leonidovich Kapitsa, Vitaly Ginzburg, Vasily Dokuchaev, Ilya Frank, Pavel Alekseyevich Cherenkov, Nikolay Semyonov, Aleksandr Oparin, Boris Nikolsky, Alexander von Middendorff, Karl Claus, Zhores Alferov

GE: Ivan Starov, Sergei Korolev, Leon Theremin, Vladimir Zworykin, Andrey Tupolev, Igor Sikorsky, Alexander Popov, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, Vladimir Shukhov, Stephen Timoshenko, Nikolai Rynin, Pavel Yablochkov, Francesco Bartolomeo Rastrelli, Boris Delibash, Kerim Kerimov, Boris Rosing, Alexander Lodygin, Semyon Lavochkin, Pyotr Kozmitch Frolov, Ivan Kulibin, Andrey Kvasov, Alexander Kokorinov

GM: Ivan Fedorovich Kruzenshtern, Vitus Bering, Afanasiy Nikitin, Gerasim Izmailov, Ivan Fedorov, Ferdinand Wrangel, Pyotr Kozlov, Yermak Timofeyevich, Gennady Nevelskoy, Oleg Antonov, Nikolai Alekseevich Severtzov, Nikolai Przhevalsky, Semyon Dezhnev, Fabian Gottlieb von Bellingshausen, Nikolay Novikov, Vagit Alekperov, Vladimir Lisin, Viktor Vekselberg

GG: Michael Romanov, Georgy Zhukov, Ivan the Great, Leon Trotsky, Pavel Nakhimov, Konstantin Petrovich Von Kaufman, Vasily Chuikov, Mikhail Skobelev, Mikhail Illarionovich Kutuzov, Alexander Suvorov, Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly, Alexander Nevsky, Radomir Putnik, Ivan Nikitovich Kozhedub



CHINA

GP: Mencius, Han Fei, Confucius, Wang Yuanlu, Chuang Tzu, Mo Tzu, Xuanzang, Zhou Duni, Chen Bo, Xi Shengmo, Zhang Daoling, Wang Ming-Dao, Feng Yunshan, Xiao Chaogui, Kun Can, Lao Tzu, Xun Zi, Han Yu, Li Zongwu, Zhuangzi

GA: Li Po, Du Fu, Wang Xizhi, Leung Long Chau, Ling Lun, Gao Xingjian, Su Dongpo, Hsia Kuei, Yen Li-pen, Wei Shuo, Zhu Da, Lu Xun, Luo Mu, Guo Xi, Mi Fu, Bada Shanren, Wang Meng, Huang Tingjian, Yang Borun, Sun Guoting, Cai Xiang, Lin Huiyin, Yang Cho-cheng

GS: Xi Ling Shi, Zu Chongzhi, Daniel Chee Tsui, Yuan T. Lee, Tsien Hsue-shen, Su Buqing, Chen Ning Yang, Liu Hui, Ch'in Chiu-Shao, Zhu Shijie, Zu Geng, Gang Tian, Ren Mei'e, Sun Laiyan, Shen Kuo, Yang Huanming, Ouyang Ziyuan, Wu Mengchao, Bangxing Zhou, Yang Zhongjian, Li Fan, Gan De, Ge Yongliang, Ma Yize, Yi Xing

GE: Cai Lun, Qian Sanqiang, Charles Kao, Zhang Heng, Bi Sheng, Li Siguang, Tsien Hsue-shen, Qian Sanqiang, Chien-Shiung Wu, Guo Shoujing, Tung-Yen Lin, Su Song, Mao Yisheng, Yang Wei, Zhan Tianyou, Pan Yunhe, Song Wencong, He Jifeng, Li Wei, Xiaoyun Wang

GM: Zhang Qian, Wang Anshi, Zheng He, Lo Hong-Shui, Zhou Zhengyi, Xu Xiake, Vincent Lo, Ah Boon Haw, Yi-Fu Tuan, Cheng-Siang Chen, Gan Ying, Wang Dayuan, Ma Huan, Yu Chunshun, Chen Chunxian, Ding Lei, Robin Li, Ren Zhengfei, Zhang Yin

GG: Sun Tzu, Chang Tso-lin, Cao Cao, Shi Lang, Zhuge Liang, Jiang Wei, Guo Ziyi, Huang Zhong, Chaing Kai-shek, Qi Jiguang, Ban Chao, Han Xin, Song Zheyuan, Lu Xun, Han Shizhong, Zhu De



AMERICA

GP: William Brewster, Roger Williams, William Penn, Jonathan Edwards, Sojourner Truth, Charles Finney, Brigham Young, Dwight Moody, Billy Graham, Martin Luther King, Jr., Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Kennedy, John F. MacArthur, Alexander Campbell, John Winthrop, Francis Asbury, Billy Sunday, Cotton Mather, Cephas Washburn

GA: Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, Elvis Presley, Ernest Hemingway, Herman Melville, Mary Cassatt, Walt Whitman, Mark Twain, John Wayne, Cary Grant, Henry David Thoreau, Steven Spielberg, Walt Disney, Ray Bradbury, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Frank Herbert, James McNeill Whistler, Grandma Moses, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Katharine Hepburn, Ella Fitzgerald, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Bing Crosby, Irving Berlin, Norman Rockwell, Washington Irving, James Fenimore Cooper, Jimmy Stewart, Moe Howard, Bob Hope, Johnny Carson, Glenn Miller, Charlie Chaplin, Groucho Marx, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Edgar Allan Poe, John Grisham, John Greenleaf Whittier

GS: Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman, J. Robert Oppenheimer, Buckminster Fuller, Glenn T. Seaborg, Steven Weinberg, John Forbes Nash, Robert Van de Graaff, Richard Smalley, Edwin Hubble, John von Neumann, Jonas Salk, John James Audubon, Henry Way Kendall, Murray Gell-Mann, Robert Koffler Jarvik, Carl Sagan, Arthur Compton, Freeman Dyson, John H. Hubbell,

GE: Thomas Edison, Nicola Tesla, Benjamin Franklin, Henry Ford, Wilbur Wright, Orville Wright, William Morton, Alexander Graham Bell, John Roebling, Norbert Rillieux, George Washington Goethals, Charles Goodyear, I. M. Pei, Robert H. Goddard, Frank Lloyd Wright, Douglas Engelbart, Philo Farnsworth, Robert Fulton, Samuel Morse, George Westinghouse, George Washington Carver, Eli Whitney, Samuel Pierpont Langley, Howard Aiken

GM: William Clark, Meriwether Lewis, John Jacob Astor, Cornelius Vanderbilt, John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Rowland Hussey Macy, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Donald Trump, John Deere, J.P. Morgan, Marshall Field, George Eastman, Charles Schwab, Sam Walton, Admiral Matthew Perry, Robert Peary, Ray Kroc, Herman Hollerith, Charles Lindbergh, Howard Hughes, Asa Griggs Candler, William Edward Boeing, Amelia Earhart, Steve Jobs, Pierre Samuel du Pont

GG: Andrew Jackson, William T. Sherman, Ulysses S. Grant, Robert E. Lee, Dwight D. Eisenhower, George S. Patton, Jr., Douglas MacArthur, Norman Schwarzkopf, John J. Pershing, George Armstrong Custer, Sam Houston, Winfield Scott, J.E.B. Stuart, George B. McClellan, Ethan Allen, John Paul Jones, Daniel Morgan, Nathanael Greene, Admiral "Bull" Halsey, James H. Doolittle, Chester Nimitz, Omar Bradley, Eddie Rickenbacher, Alvin C. York, Theodore Roosevelt,



JAPAN

GP: Takuan Soho, Nikko, Saigyo, Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki, Kobo-Daishi, Ryōkan, Shinran, Eisai Zenji, Dogen, Nichiren, Uchimura Kanzo,

GA: Katsushika Hokusai, Toshusai Sharaku, Osamu Tezuka, Utagawa Hiroshige, Uragami Gyokudo, Yoko Ono, Yokomitsu Riichi, Akira Kurosawa, Akira Toriyama, Kano Eitoku, Kano Masanobu, Iwasa Matabei, Ishiro Honda, Nitobe Inazo, Murasaki Shikibu, Toshiro Mifune

GS: Aida Yasuki, Kiyosi Ito, Hantaro Nagaoka, Shigefumi Mori, Hideki Yukawa, Goro Shimura, Kenkichi Iwasawa, Susumu Tonegawa, Akihiko Tago, Esaki Reona, Ryoji Noyori, Masatoshi Koshiba, Sin-Itiro Tomonaga, Tetsuya "Ted" Fujita, Nobuo Yoneda, Koichi Tanaka

GE: Tokuhichi Mishima, Kyota Sugimoto, Sakichi Toyoda, Kyota Sugimoto, Hidetsugu Yagi, Kokichi Mikimoto, Kotaro Honda, Kenzo Tange, Ken Sakamura, Shigeru Miyamoto,

GM: Fukuzo Iwasaki, Hiroshi Yamauchi, Masahisa Fujita, Minoru Mori, Torakusu Yamaha, Konosuke Matsushita, Masaru Ibuka, Kiichiro Toyoda, Yataro Iwasaki, Okuma Shigenobu, Shibusawa Eiichi, Masayoshi Son, Eiji Toyoda, Yoshitaka Fukuda, Soichiro Honda, Akio Morita

GG: Yamamoto, Tojo, Hirohito, Fujiwara, Yamashita, Tsuji, Suzuki, Takashita, Nagato, Hiroyoshi Nishizawa, Togo Heihachiro, Chuichi Nagumo, Minamoto no Yoritomo, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Ashikaga Takauji




FRANCE

GP: Joan of Arc, Sebastian Castellio, John Calvin, Hubert Languet, Gabriel Marcel, Louis Auguste Sabatier, St. Louis, Nostradamus, St. Therese, Urban II, Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet, Yves Congar, Maurice Leenhardt, Alexander de Rhodes, Jean Claude, Marcel Légaut

GA: Victor Hugo, Claude Monet, Edouard Manet, Pierre-Auguste Renoir, François Truffaut, Hector Berlioz, François Rabelais, Georges Bizet, Paul Gauguin, Michel Legrand, Edgar Degas, Henri Matisse, Maurice Ravel, Jacques Brel, Charles Perrault, Auguste Perret, Pierre Carlet de Chamblain de Marivaux, Thomas Couture, Frédéric Bartholdi, Claude Debussy, Paul Cézanne, Alexandre Dumas

GS: Louis Pasteur, Rene Descartes, Marie Curie, Antoine Lavoisier, Pierre-Simon Laplace, Pierre de Fermat, Joseph Fourier, Henri Poincaré, Joseph Louis Lagrange, Antoine Henri Becquerel, Louis de Broglie, Jean Baptiste Perrin, Alexis de Tocqueville, Alexandre-Emile Béguyer de Chancourtois, Joseph Louis Gay-Lussac, Claude Levi-Strauss, Benoit Mandelbrot, Frédéric Joliot, Jean Baptiste Biot, Joseph Louis Proust, Augustin Louis Cauchy, Gaspard Coriolis, Jean Baptiste Lamarck, Rene-Just Hauy, Georges Cuvier, Pierre Louis Dulong, Augustin Jean Fresnel

GE: Blaise Pascal, Charles Augustin de Coulomb, Alexandre Gustave Eiffel, Joseph Marie Jacquard, Ferdinand de Lesseps, Louis Daguerre, Louis Blériot, Seigneur de Vauban , Louis Braille, Andre le Notre, Claude Perrault, Joseph Michel Montgolfier, Jacques-Étienne Montgolfier, Denis Papin, Marcel Deprez, Paul Héroult, Charles Cros, Hautefeuille, Antoine Parent, Lazare Nicolas Marguerite Carnot

GM: Coco Chanel, Jacques Cartier, Robert de LaSalle, Jean-Baptiste Say, Alexandre Darracq, Samuel de Champlain, Jean Baptiste Colbert, Jacques Yves Cousteau, Christophe Victor, Marcel Bich, Eugene Schueller, Marcel Dassault, Liliane Bettencourt, Léon Gaumont, Charles Pathé, Louis Delage

GG: Charles Martel, Charlemagne, Murat, Charles DeGaulle, Louis-Joseph de Montcalm, Lafayette, Leclerc, Robert Surcouf, Prince de Conde, Louis Nicolas Davout, Georges Guynemer, Pierre Clostermann, Ferdinand Foch, Louis-Rene de Latouche Treville



INDIA

GP: Mahavira, Shankara, Ramakrishna, Tippu Sultan, Ananda, Narayana Guru, Atisha, Mohammed Shah, Tsongkhapa, Guru Nanek Dev, Shirdi Sai Baba, Mother Teresa

GA: Valmiki, Kalidas, Amir Khusro, Raja Rao, Rabindranath Tagore, Basawan, Raja Ravi Varma, Amrita Sher-Gil, Charles Correa, L. V. Prasad

GS: Aryabhata, Brahmagupta, Pingala, Nilakantha, Kamalakara, Paramesvara, Madhava, Panini, Charaka, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, Bhaskara, Virahanka, Nilakantha Somayaji, Raj Chandra Bose, Raja Ramanna

GE: Nain Singh, Balkrishna Doshi, Raj Rewal, Baudhayana, Chandrasekhara Venkata Raman, Jagadish Bose, Mokshagundam Visvesvarayya, Lagadha, Mahendra Suri, B. V. Doshi, G. D. Naidu

GM: Shah Jahan, Raja Todar Mal, G. Kuppuswamy Naidu, Pallonji Mistry, Mukesh Ambani, David Sassoon, Jamsetji Tata, Ardeshir Godrej, Pirojsha Godrej, Azim Premji

GG: Chandragupta Maurya, Akbar, Shivaji, Porus, Bindusara, Singh, Tilak, Jayavarman II, Shivaji Bhonsle, Rajaraja Chola, Samudragupta



PERSIA

GP: Zoroaster, Mani, Jalal al-Din al-Rumi, Mazdak, Bab, Mulla Sadra, Zahed Gilani, Bahá'u'lláh, Safi Al-Din

GA: Sadi, Mahmud, Riza-i-Abbasi, Kamal al-Din Bihzad, Mohammed Hafez, Jami, Parvin E'tesami, Mahmoud Farshchian, Ferdowsi, Farid od-Din Attar, Hafez-e Shirazi, Kamaledding Behzad, Sadi-e Shirazi, Reza Abbasi, Sadegh Hedayat, Forough Farrokhzad

GS: Ardashir, Peroz, Hormoz, Al-Khwarizmi, Al-Razi, Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi, Al-Farabi, Al-Farisi, Alfraganus, Avicenna, Azophi, Hasan bin Musa, Shapur-e Sahl, Zakariya Masawaiyh, Burzoe, Omar Khayyam

GE: Artaxerxes, Bahram, Al-Khujandi, Abdollah ibn Tahir, Abu Musa Jabir ibn Hayyan, Ibn al-Haitham, Farshid Moussavi, Ahmad ibn Imad al-din, Al-Karaji, Ustad Isa, Khosrau I, Nizam Molk Tusi

GM: Kavadh, Ahmad ibn Rustah, Adud al-Dowleh, Naser Khosrow, Istakhri, Issa Omidvar, Abdollah Omidvar, Zayn al-Abidin Shirvani, Ahmad-e Roste Esfahani, Scylax

GG: Darius, Xerxes, Achaemenes, Antiochus, Abbas, Mithridates, Seleucus, Aryobarzin, Rustaham Suren-Pahlav, Vahram Chobin, Shapur II, Rostam Farokhzaadaan, Papag Khorramdin, Cambyses, Mardonius



AZTECS

GP: Were-Jaguar, Eagle-Spirit, Monkey-Spirit, Tlacateotl, Tenoch, Papantzin, Yacotzin, Ixtlilxochitl II, St. Juan Diego, St. Cristóbal Magallanes Jara, St. Luis Ian Zambrano

GA: Cipactli, Oxomoco, Huitzilopochtli, Nezahualpilli, Techotlalatzin, Ihuitemotzin, Cuaucuauhtzin, Gerardo Murillo, Octavio Paz, Jorge Ibargüengoitia, Fernando del Paso, Mariano Azuela

GS: Chichatoyotl, Textalatzin, Quakeotzlitopotec, Axayacatl, Ixtlilxochitl, Coanacochtzin, Chimalpahin Quauhtlehuanitzin, Guillermo Haro, Nabor Carrillo Flores, Luis Enrique Erro, Guillermo Torres Díaz, Miguel Jose Yacaman, Pablo Rudomin, Luis Herrera Estrella

GE: Xolotl, Itzcatl, Mixcoatl, Acamapichtli, Tizoc, Tlacaelel, Moquihuix, Tlahuitoltzin, Juan Manuel Lozano Gallegos, Victor Celorio, Antonio Rivas Mercado, Heberto Castillo

GM: Chak-Mool, Atlante, Tlahuizcalpanteuctli, Cuacuapitzahuac, Cuauhtémoc, Tlacotzin, Techichpotzin, Tehuetzquitizin, Antonio Carvajal, Carlos Slim Helú, Ricardo Salinas Pliego, Roberto Hernández Ramírez

GG: Ahuitzotl, Itzcóatl, Huitzilhuitl, Chimalpopoca, Maxtla, Nezahualcóyotl, Tezozomoc, Santa Ana, Francisco Villa, Ignacio Zaragoza, Porfirio Díaz



ZULU

GP: Dingiswayo, Lobengula, Isaiah Shambe, Nongqawuse, Jama kaNdaba, Mnguni, Ernest Paul Mwazha, Pius Ncube, Charlotte Maxeke

GA: Phuzekhemisi, Mfazomnyama, Busi Mhlongo, Antjie Krog, Mageba kaGumede, Koos Ras, Jamie Uys, Nadine Gordimer, Totius, Roy Campbell, Neville Lewis, Charles Mungoshi, Nozipa Maraire,

GS: Senzangakhona, Malandela, Jobe, Thebe Medupe, Malandela kaLuzumana, Ntombhela kaMalandela, Sydney Brenner, Peter Beighton, Christiaan Barnard, Clement Martyn Doke, Christopher Chetsanga, Allan Savory, James Leonard Brierley Smith

GE: Dingane, Usibepu, Basil Schonland, Allan McLeod Cormack, Senzangakona, Calie Pistorius, Manie Geyer, Arthur Mutambara,

GM: Mzilikazi, Dinuzulu, Patrice Motsepe, Tshilidzi Marwala, Mbhazima Shilowa, David Brink, Sammy Marks, Mark Shuttleworth, Trevor Ncube, Cecil John Rhodes, Strive Masiyiwa, Estian Calitz

GG: Mpande, Zwelithini, Cetshwayo, Ndlela kaSompisi, Josiah Tongogara,

And Part 2:
ENGLAND

GP: St. Anselm, St. Thomas Becket, The Venerable Bede, George Whitefield, Charles Wesley, Charles Spurgeon, Adrian IV, William Wilberforce, William Booth, George Fox, William Cowper, Miles Coverdale, Thomas Cromwell, William Carey, John Newton, St. Thomas More

GA: Geoffrey Chaucer, William Shakespeare, John Milton, Edward Gibbon, John Keats, Charles Dickens, George Bernard Shaw, Joseph Conrad, H.G. Wells, Alfred Hitchcock, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, John Constable, Noel Pierce Coward, Richard Attenborough, Elton John, Alec Guinness, Sean Connery, Elizabeth Gaskell, William Blake, Arnold Joseph Toynbee, Elizabeth Barrett Browning, Daniel Defoe, J.R.R. Tolkien, Arthur C. Clarke, John Cleese, J.K. Rowling

GS: Rosalind Franklin, Isaac Newton, John Dalton, Michael Faraday, James Clerk Maxwell, Francis Bacon, Charles Darwin, Ernest Rutherford, Henry Cavendish, Robert Hooke, J.J Thomson, Joseph Priestly, Paul Dirac, George Boole, Alexander Fleming, James Joule, Stephen Hawking, Howard Carter, Arthur Stanley Eddington, Alfred North Whitehead, Francis Crick, Joseph Lister, Sir Charles Lyell, Henry Tizard, Thomas Young, Edward Jenner, Joseph Banks, Sir George Cayley, William Henry, William Thomson (Lord Kelvin), William Henry Perkin

GE: Henry Bessemer, James Watt, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Babbage, Alan Turing, Thomas Telford, Sir Henry Royce, Sir Frank Whittle, William Herschel, Cecil Booth, Tim Berners-Lee, John Nash, R.J. Mitchell, John Ambrose Fleming, William Tierney Clark, Benjamin Baker, James Brindley, Sidney Camm, Geoffrey de Havilland, Christopher Cockerell, William Congreve, Thomas Newcomen, John Harrison, Abraham Darby, James Dyson, Archibald Low, Charles Wheatstone, George Stephenson, Tommy Flowers, Christopher Wren, Thomas Savery, James Nasmyth

GM: John Stuart Mill, Sir Alexander Mackenzie, James Cook, Adam Smith, John Maynard Keynes, Sir Thomas Roe, Richard Whittington, Edward Coke, George Cadbury, Sir Francis Drake, David Livingstone, Verney Lovett Cameron, Gertrude Bell, Robert Falcon Scott, Richard Branson, Titus Salt, Alan Sugar, Josiah Wedgwood, William Beveridge, William Morris,

GG: Edward, Wallace, Charles Cornwallis, Sir Henry Clinton, Duke Wellington, Oliver Cromwell, Lord Nelson, Sir Bernard Law Montgomery, Richard the Lion-Hearted, Louis Mountbatten, Arthur Wellesley, Douglas Bader, Harold Alexander, James Wolfe, John Jellicoe



MONGOLS

GP: Chabi, Yeh-lu Chu'tsai, Zanabazar, Abaqa, Arghun, Sartaq, Berke

GA: Siqin Gaowa, Oljeitu, Tolui, Oghul Ghaymish, Uzbeg Khan, Dashdorjiin Natsagdorj, Rinchingyn Choinom, D. Altangerel, Gereltsogt, Byambasuren Davaa

GS: Minzu Wenyibao, Kumujil-yin Qoro, Nurhaci, Dayan Khan, Alghu, Biligtü Khan, Kaidu, Mandukhai Khatun, Ulugh Beg

GE: Li Siguang, Ulan Bator, Guo, Zhang Wenqian, Toqta, Duwa, Töregene Khatun, Maidarzhavyn Ganzorig, Zhugderdemidiyn Gurragcha

GM: Altan Khan, Hulagu, Sorghaghtani, Gaykhatu, Güyük, Kadan, Mengu-Timur, Börte,

GG: Ogodei, Jochi, Chagatai, Tolui, Toghril Khan, Mongke, Timur, Subedei, Mamai, Jebei



SPAIN

GP: St. Ignatius Loyola, Junipero Serra, Bartolome de Las Casas, Juan de Sepulveda, St. Teresa of Avila, Francisco Suarez, Maimonides, Francisco de Enzinas, Yehuda Halevi, Bernardino de Sahagún, Tomás de Torquemada, Ramón Llull, Isidore of Seville, Baltasar Gracián, Abraham Abulafia, Alfonso III el Santo

GA: Pablo Picasso, Miguel de Cervantes, Diego de Silva Velazquez, Garcilaso de la Vega, El Greco, Francisco de Goya, Salvador Dali, Alonso Cano, Luis de León, Pedro Calderón de la Barca, Mateo Alemán, Juan Ruiz de Alarcón, Francisco de Zurbarán, Bartolomé Esteban Murillo, Ignacio Zuloaga, Antonio Banderas, Penélope Cruz, Martín Códax, Azorín, Benito Pérez Galdós,

GS: Juan de Ortega, Gherard of Cremona, Joao Baptista Lavanha, Fausto de Elhúyar, Arzachel, Miguel Servet, Alfonso X, Fausto de Elhuyar y de Suvisa, Gerardus Cremonensis, Santiago Ramón y Cajal, Antonio de Ulloa, Andrés Manuel del Río, Mateu Orfila, Juan José de Elhúyar, Nicolás Cabrera, Ángel Cabrera, Isaac Peral

GE: Juan de Herrera, Ildefons Cerdà, Juan de la Cierva, Narcís Monturiol, Esteban Terradas i Illa, Leonardo Torres y Quevedo, Narcis Monturiol i Estarriol, Wifredo Ricart, Carlos Fernández Casado, Luis E. Echávarri, Alberto Palacio, Santiago Calatrava, Agustín de Betancourt, José Antonio de Artigas Sanz, Evaristo de Churruca y Brunet, Alejandro Goicoechea

GM: Christopher Columbus, Ferdinand Magellan, Ponce de Leon, Hernando de Soto, Juan Sebastián Elcano, Vasco da Gama, Silvestre Velez de Escalante, Salvador Fidalgo, Francisco de Orellana, Gabriel de Castilla, Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca, Juan Bautista de Anza , Vasco Núñez de Balboa

GG: El Cid, Francisco Coronado, Hernando Cortes, Francisco Pizarro, Philip II, Ambrosio Spinola Doria, Juan de Austria, Cardinal-Infante Ferdinand, Alvaro de Bazan, Joaquin Garcia Morato Castano, Pedro de Valdivia, Pedro Navarro, Blas de Lezo, Fernando Villaamil, Viriato, Don Pelayo, Jaime I el Conquistador



VIKINGS

GP: Harold Bluetooth, Sweyn Forkbeard, Erling Skjalgsson, Aethelstan, Rorik, Lewi Pethrus, Kettil Karlsson Vasa, Gisbertus Voetius, Franciscus Gomarus, Jacobus Arminius, St. Angsar, Lauri Ingman,

GA: Rembrandt, Vincent van Gogh, Olav Duun, Johan Nordahl Brun, Gustav Vigeland, Ingrid Bergman, Ingmar Bergman, Hans Christian Andersen, Jean Sibelius, Johan Ludvig Runeberg

GS: Georg Stierhielm, Johannes Magnus, Gustav Vasa, Anders Angstrom, Niels Bohr, Tycho Brahe, Niels Stensen, Hans Oersted, Johannes Rydberg, Anders Celsius, Carolus Linnaeus, Niels Steensen, Edsger Dijkstra, Jean Charles Galissard de Marignac, Johan August Arfwedson, Oskar Klein, Anders Johan Lexell

GE: Ivar Giaver, Sophus Lie, Niels Abel, Antony Van Leeuwenhoek, Christian Huygens, Svante Arrhenius, Jöns Jakob Berzelius, Alfred Nobel, Linus Torvalds, Bror With, Johan Vaaler,

GM: Leif Erickson, Eric the Red, Antony Van Diemen, Haakon Sigurdsson, Yngvar Vithforla, Ingvar Kamprad, Lars Ericsson, Sven Hedin, Abel Janszoon Tasman, Fredrik Idestam, Roald Amundsen, Jens Munk, Thor Heyerdahl, Helge Ingstad, Sam Eyde, John Fredriksen

GG: Eric Bloodaxe, Gustavus Adolphus, Healfdene, Inwaaer, Hubba, Canute II, Olaf, William the Conqueror, Charles XII, Johan Baner



OTTOMANS

GP: Rumi, Sokollu Mehmet Pasa, Mustafa Cagrici, Yaakov Culi, Judah Rosanes, Yakir Gueron, Abdul Hamid I, Sabbatai Zevi, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

GA: Yunus Emre, Hayali, Nesati, Gul Baba, Abidin Dino, Ihap Hulusi Gorey, Mehmet Akif Ersoy, Balyan, Atik Sinan, Alexander Vallaury, Kasemi

GS: Thabit Ibn Qurra, Callippus of Cyzicus, Sporus of Nicaea, Dionysodorus, Menaechmus, Cahit Arf, Qazi Zadeh, Oktay Sinanoglu, Feza Gürsey

GE: Sinan, Mustafa Kemal, Nizam-al-Mulk, al-Ghazali, Ratip Berker, Tekin Dereli, Erdal İnönü, Gazi Yasargil, Celâl Şengör, Ekmel Ozbay, Mehmed I Celebi, Sokollu Mehmet Pasha, Mustafa III

GM: Evliya Celebi, Abdulmecid, Hormuzd Rassam, Vehbi Koç, Nejat Eczacıbaşı, Aydın Doğan, Nuri Demirağ

GG: Orhan, Murad I, Suleyman I, Selim, Bayezid II, Turgut Reis, Ismail Enver, Ibrahim Pasha



CELTS

GP: Irenaeus, St. Columba, St. Columban, St. Ninian, Geoffrey of Monmouth, John Knox

GA: Owain Cyfeiliog, Dafydd ap Gwilym, Gawin Douglas, Robert Burns, Sean O'Faolain, William Butler Yeats, Samuel Beckett

GS: Maredudd ap Owain, Grufudd ap Llewelyn, Rhodri Maw, John de Baliol, Geoffrey Keating, George Stokes, William Rowan Hamilton, Sir Sam Edwards, James Hutton, Seathrun Ceitinn, Sir John Leslie, Colin Maclaurin,

GE: Charles Baird, John F. McIntosh, John Loudon McAdam, William Dargan, Harry Ferguson, Nicholas Callan, Edward George Bowen, Richard Roberts

GM: Llewelyn ap Gruffydd, Owain, Daffyd, David Alfred Thomas, Charles Stewart Rolls, George Everest

GG: Vercingetorix, Boudicca, Orgetorix, Caractacus, Cunobelinus, Dumnorix, Owain Glyndwr, Brude, Macbeth, Llywelyn the Great, Roibert a Briuis, William Wallace, Cinaed mac Ailpin



ARABIA

GP: Abu Bakr, Ali, Al-Farabi, Hasan, Ismail, Al-Baqilani, Abd-al-Wahhab, Umar ibn al-Khattab, Uthman, Al-Ghazzali, Ibn Arabi, Ja'far as-Sadiq, As-Shafii

GA: Ibn Muqlah, Abu Nuwas, Al-Mutanabbi, Ibn Quzman, Al-Maarri, Naguib Mahfouz, Ibn al-Nadim, Ahmad Reda, Jurjani, Ibn Furtu, Yaqut al-Hamawi

GS: Alhazen, Al-Kindi, Al-Khwarizmi, Abu Dharr al-Harawi, Ibn al-Nafis, Uthman al-Sabuni, Sahl ibn Ziyad, Ibrahim ibn Sinan, Al-Zarqali, Ibn Al-Jazzar, Alchabitius, Al-Biruni

GE: Nicomachus of Gerasa, Ali Abbas, Al-Jazari, Jabir ibn Hayyan, Abbas Ibn Firnas, Armen Firman, Al-Battani, Ibn Wahshiyah

GM: Ibn Battuta, Ahmad ibn Majid, Ibn Jubayr, Ahmad ibn Fadlan, Al-Waleed bin Talal, Ibn Hawqal, Al-Idrisi, Ibn Khaldun, Aretas III, Ibn Khurdadhbih

GG: Mu'awiya, Hind, Ziyad Ibn Abihi, Saffah, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Baibers, Ahmad I al-Mansur Saadi, Amr ibn al-A'as, Yusuf ibn Tashfin, Khalid ibn Al-Walid, Amr Ibn al-As, Saif ad-Daula



CARTHAGE

GP: Acherbas, Tertullian, Cyprian, Donatus, St. Aurelius, St. Perpetua, St. Felicitas

GA: Kartobal, Orthobal, Syphax, Hiempsal, Micipsa, Sophonisba, Oxyntas, Ahmad al-Tifashi, Aboul-Qacem Echebbi, Youssef Rzouga, Dhafar Youssef, Jean-Marc Luisada, Albert Memmi, Mahmoud Messadi, Ammar Farhat, Mohamed Abderrazaq, Abdelkader Abderrazaq

GS: Bomilcar, Tanit, Eshmuniaton, Mago, Hiram, Juba, Hasdrubal the Fair, Ezzedine Triki, Roumeika Ben Amara,

GE: Ahmed Zewail, al-Haitham, Gauda, Zelalsen, Gala, Malchus, Jamel Hanbli

GM: Hanno the Navigator, Hanno the Great, Adherbal the Red, Himilco the Navigator, Bocchus, Joseph Bismuth, Hedi Amara Nouira, Azzedine Alaia, Tarak Ben Ammar

GG: Hamilcar Barca, Gisco, Xanthippus, Mago Barca, Himilco, Hasdrubal Barca, Jugurtha, Carthalo, Maharbal



KOREA

GP: Kim Yong-ok, Sun Myung Moon, Yi Hwang, Ichadon, Daegak Guksa, Ham Seok-heon, Young Shik Rhee

GA: Ko Un, Yulgok, Jeong Cheol, Owon, Yi Nyong, Cho Ki-Jung, Kim Tschang Yeul, Yoon Kwang-cho, Lee Yeongdo, Danwon, Kim Myeong-hui, Jang Seung-eop

GS: Seok Tong-sik, Taro Aso Han, Roh Moo Sun, Sejong the Great, Kim Soon-kwon, Ju Sigyeong, Won Pyong Oh, Jeong Dojeon, Choi Sejin, Yi Eon-jeok, Jang Geum

GE: Jang Yeong-sil, Lee Jong-wook, Lee Whi-so, Seong Sammun, Woo Jang-choon, Ryoo Ryong, Yu Seong-ryong, Kim Myeong-yun, Choe Mu-seon

GM: Lee Kun-hee, Kim Yong-san, Chung Mong-hun, Lee Byung-chul, Chung Ju-yung, Eric B. Kim, Lee Soo Man, Nelson Shin, Park Chung Hee

GG: Yi Song-gye, Chu-Mong, Pak Hyokkose, Onjo, Syngman Rhee, Kim Il Sung, Eulji Mundeok, Shin Rip, Yi Sunsin, Gwon Yul



INCA

GP: El Bruho, Guyasuta, Old Smoke, Three Feathers, Yahuar Huacac, St. Rose, St. Martin de Porres, Francis Solanus, Turibius of Mongrovejo, Gustavo Gutiérrez

GA: Ah Cacao, Smoke-Monkey, Stormy Sky, Viracocha, Ninan Cuyochi, Ocllo, Alberto Vargas, Luis Llosa, Martín Chambi, Ricardo Palma, Ciro Alegría, Alfredo Bryce, Julio Ramón Ribeyro, Fernando De Szyszlo, Mario Testino

GS: Sinchi Roca, Manco Capac, Maita Capac, Titu Cusi, Huascar, Inca Roca, Guaman Poma, Anthony Atala, Pedro Paulet, Pedro Ruiz Gallo, Jorge Heraud, Julio C. Tello, Carlos Bustamante, Gastón Pons Muzzo, Maria Reiche, Carlos Villavicencio, Barton Zwiebach, Ernesto Bustamante

GE: Sipan-Itchi, Mana-Paoa, Kenu Curaua, Sayri Tupa Inca, Lloque Yupanqui, Capac Yupanqui, Juan del Corral, Gastón Pons Muzzo, Eduardo Abaroa, Arturo Woodman, Edward Jan Habich, Pedro Paulet, Ernest Malinowski

GM: Blue-Quetzal-Macaw, Eighteen Rabbit, Cauac-Sky, Tupa Inca-Yupanqui, Felipillo, Nicolas de Pierola, Hernando de Soto (not the Spanish explorer), Alejandro Velasco Astete, Carlos I. Noriega, Antonio Raimondi, Alejandro Toledo, Luis Carranza, Moritz Hochschild

GG: Pachacuti, Atahuallpa, Manco Inca, Tupa Amaru, Chalicuchima, Quisquis, Lautaro, Simon Bolivar, Antonio Jose de Sucre, Alfonso Ugarte, Andrés Avelino Cáceres, Emilio Cavenecia, Miguel Grau Seminario


MALI

GP: Ali Coulibaly, Wali Keita, Muhammad Abd al-Karim al-Maghili, Naré Maghann Konaté, Seku Amadu, Sidi Yahya, Julien Mory Sidibé, Askia Daoud

GA: Nare Maghann Konate, Gao, Lobi Traore, Abd Arahman ibn Faqi Mahmud, Ahmad Baba al-Massufi, Amadou Hampaté Ba, Ko Kan Ko Sata, Malick Sidibé, Moussa Konaté, Yambo Ouologuem, Ibrahima Aya

GS: Mahmud, Ahmed Baba, Ag Mohammed, Abu Al Baraaka, Mohammed ibn Mohammed Kara, Gaoussou Diawara, Massa Makan Diabaté, Al Aqib ibn Faqi Muhmud

GE: Al-Qadi Aqib ibn Mahmud ibn Umar, Abu Es Haq es Saheli, Mohammed Bagayogo, Sakura, Cheick Modibo Diarra, Mohamed Naddah, Manding Bory, Tieba Traoré

GM: Abubakari, Abu Bakr ibn Ahmad Biru, Leo Africanus, Wali Keita, Moctar Ouane, Tunka Manin

GG: Askia Muhammad, Askia Daud, Sundiata, Sunni Ali, Ngolo Diarra, Bitòn Coulibaly, Askia Ishaq II,

Well Done...The name I was glad you added was Thomas More for England...If you are looking for another GP for England, don't forget about John Fisher.

Good Job, G.O.!

Don't worry; I have no intention of stopping now. When this is done, there'll probably be as many as 3,000 names!

(Hooray! Post 100!)

Don't worry; I have no intention of stopping now. When this is done, there'll probably be as many as 3,000 names!

(Hooray! Post 100!)

Well, I'd love to add this to CIV Gold, and I'd love to consider those civs. I wouldn't ask you to take on so much extra effort without some help. Maybe there is a way to do it in a "minimalist" fashion.

Here's a list for Portugal:

Portugal

GP: João Ferreira Annes de Almeida, António Andrade (may want to use him in Tibet), António Vieira, Baruch Spinoza, Damião de Góis, Uriel da Costa

GA: Nuno Gonçalves, Vasco Fernandes, António Soares dos Reis, Manuel Pereira da Silva, Luís António Verney, Francisco de Sá de Miranda, Diogo Barbosa Machado

GS: Pedro Nunes, Garcia de Orta, Anthony of Padua, Enricho Swarez, Egas Moniz, Orlando Ribeiro, Bento de Jesus Caraça, Diogo do Couto

GE: Bartolomeu de Gusmão, Tomás Taveira, José Tribolet, Eduardo Souto de Moura, Edgar Cardoso, Álvaro Siza Vieira

GM: Vasco da Gama, Magellan, Dias, Gaspar de Lemos, Pedro Fernandes de Queiroz, Alfredo da Silva, Fausto Figueiredo, Ricardo Espírito Santo Silva, Salvador Caetano

GG: Viriato, Afonso, Dinis, Cabral, Cabrillo, Tristão da Cunha,

Why is Cornwallis an English Great General? I'd barely heard of him before I looked him up on wikipedia, and his record hardly seems "great" in being defeated by the Americans.

Also, which Edward is "Edward"?

I don't blame Cornwallis for England's defeat by the Americans. If any military general was to blame, it was Peter Clinton. But generally putting down the colonial revolution was an impossible task once the world wide war with France began. Plus there were the general difficulties of trying to occupy a huge landmass thousands of miles away by sea.

I'll also note that Cornwallis's only military defeat prior to the French joining the war was a sneak attack in the middle of the night on Christmas Day. :lol: He was a very competent general.

That said, I'll admit quite a number of his victories were pyrrhic and the guy probably doesn't deserve to be a "great" general.

That said, I'll admit quite a number of his victories were pyrrhic and the guy probably doesn't deserve to be a "great" general.

:D I suppose this begs the question, if his victories were pyrrhic, does Pyrrhus then deserve to be in? :)

Actually, this is a simple case of my copying-and-pasting names from Civ 3. I kept "Edward" as a general name because of the various Edwards that ruled England--he's basically whoever you want him to be, though I imagine the one they (and I) had in mind was Edward I.

These are the military great leaders from Civ 3:
Edward, Boudicea, Nelson, Wallace, Cornwallis, Clinton, Wellington

Thanks ! This mod will be very helpful with a feature I want to introduce in the mod I'm working on :goodjob:

Edouard Michelin : French GE or GM

Hmmm I see three offending for Poles incorrectnesses here:
Nicolaus Copernicus is latin form of Mikołaj Kopernik, cite from http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9105759/Nicolaus-Copernicus "Polish astronomer who proposed that the planets have the Sun as the fixed point to which their motions are to be referred"
Joseph Conrad - it is an artistic nick, his real name was Józef Teodor Konrad Korzeniowski
Marie Curie - she gained French citizenship, but never gave up Polish roots. She was Polish scientist who married Frenchman (Pierre Curie) and moved from Warsaw to Paris. Her real name was Maria Skłodowska-Curie, she even named the element she discovered - polonium after her native country.

Pierre Joliot is already in the list !

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean, LDeska. I was privy to a serious debate recently about whether Copernicus should be considered German or Polish, since he really was ethnically Polish, but lived in a Prussian domain at the time... I just put him in with the Germans because he's too important to be left out, IMO, and that's the only real organization that makes sense, given the historical relations between Prussia/Germany and Poland. But Poland is obviously the better choice.

BTW, I think Poland would be a nice addition to the game, though I don't see much chance for Firaxis adding it (especially when they left out civs like Babylon, Portugal, and the Netherlands!), but I would definitely change him to Poland if it is ever added.

Good news, everybody! Mexico has finally squashed the great general bug! Now every person will truly be civ-specific, and we can concentrate on expanding the list even more. Mexico has also said that he is working on a mod that will allow linear progression through the lists, meaning that we will have the option to set it up chronologically, as Chugginator suggested. This will make CSGP much more flexible and useful for inclusion in other mods and scenarios.

Let us all offer to expand his palace, in recognition of this great achievement.
:clap: :D :hatsoff: :D :hatsoff: :D :clap:

Nice one, Mexico!! :thumbsup:

I played a game last night using this mod....Again, G.O., you did a very good job...Well Done.

The thought did occur to me though...There is a dnager in setting this up so it goes chronilogically. Maybe I am in the minority, but I only get about 10 of each great people (engineers, generals, etc) a game...If it is set up chronilogically, you would get the same 10 great people every game...

Perhaps it should be left so you get random people, or at least give the player the option.

I played a game last night using this mod....Again, G.O., you did a very good job...Well Done.

The thought did occur to me though...There is a dnager in setting this up so it goes chronilogically. Maybe I am in the minority, but I only get about 10 of each great people (engineers, generals, etc) a game...If it is set up chronilogically, you would get the same 10 great people every game...

Perhaps it should be left so you get random people,