This is a private opinion poll, to tell your fellow citizens how you want this game to start off. We've had some discussion but it hasn't been focused, and a lot of people aren't here yet, so I don't believe this poll should be binding -- but if it ends up really strong one way or the other I'll definitely be listening. :cool:

Do you want to get the game started, or work on getting more of the rules decided first?
* Start the Game
* Work on the Rules
* Abstain

Start the game doesn't have to mean no or few rules, nor does work on the rules mean we must take a long time before starting the game. It's just a way of finding out which you think should get focus first.

The poll has a really long duration (10 days) but we do not have to wait until it's over before we do anything. If a trend develops we can act on that trend.

just wondering why i cant post in this poll?

just wondering why i cant post in this poll?

Because you missed the announcement to go here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/profile.php?do=editusergroups) and register for the user group called "Civ4 Democracy Game II: Citizens". ;)

I'm saving my vote for now, somewhat divided for now. I want some sort of CoL's written up and approved before we start even if it is still fairly preliminary with intend on finishing it up during play.

Start februari first.

I think it's important to have rules clear and unmuddled first.

Well do build as you go rules count for start the game first?

Well do build as you go rules count for start the game first?

I would see votes for focusing on getting the game started as votes generally in favor of build as you go, but others could interpret it differently.

Start the game, but still make sure that the rules are complete before things get very far.

Lets get this game started already.

However, I am NOT infavor of the "Build as you go".

Lets get this game started already.

However, I am NOT infavor of the "Build as you go".
So what do you suggest we do without a Code of Laws that defines offices?

I'm witholding my vote since I can't vote yet.

I'm witholding my vote since I can't vote yet.

Fixed. xcl

just wondering why i cant post in this poll?
Don't worry, Nobody can vote in this poll...
:groucho:

this might not be the time or place, but did we win the last demogame?

No, we didn't finish.

this might not be the time or place, but did we win the last demogame?
No thanks to your presidency ;)

No thanks to your presidency ;)
:lol: How does that old saying go...?

You have Nobody to blame but..... :mischief:

So what do you suggest we do without a Code of Laws that defines offices?
No, I am suggesting that we have the CoLs that define the offices at the moment we start.

No, I am suggesting that we have the CoLs that define the offices at the moment we start.

Which isn't considered a final set, right?

Could we have just a President who is responsible for organizing game play at the start?

Which isn't considered a final set, right?

Could we have just a President who is responsible for organizing game play at the start?
Personally, I would like to see the President as well as the offices established before the game is started.

Could we have just a President who is responsible for organizing game play at the start?

Shhh... Listen.....Is that Mussolini I hear in the wind?... :lol: j/k

I think we take all stuff slow so we get a really good thing and we work on the rules, its not so good being to hasty...

Shhh... Listen.....Is that Mussolini I hear in the wind?... :lol: j/k

Didn't get this one. :confused:

i voted work on the rules. we atleast need to know who is playing the save before we start the game.

In tribute to AoE II (which inspired Soren) - "START THE GAME ALREADY!!!"

:p

In tribute to AoE II (which inspired Soren) - "START THE GAME ALREADY!!!"

:p
Unfortunately that cry is not going to be heard by people who want to work on the rules to make it Demogame v2.0 The Game of Bureaucracy.

Unfortunately that cry is not going to be heard by people who want to work on the rules to make it Demogame v2.0 The Game of Bureaucracy.
As opposed to the people that want o rush headlong, as we've done before, into chaos and madness? So, CG, do you want to spend a bit more time nailing down the rules, or handle the chaos of no rules. You've complained about both, which one is your preference. No fence sitting!

-- Ravensfire

I think we take all stuff slow so we get a really good thing and we work on the rules, its not so good being to hasty...

I agree with that. It is best that everyone knows what the rules, so that the game can proceed without uncertainty about this.

However, if the majority wants to start the game first, I'm also fine with that. ;)

Just a suggestion though, IMHO.

what are the rules?????

what are the rules?????
By rules I think they mean a constitution, which acts as the first layer of rules, stating how things such as making new rules can be created, and the rights of citizens, as well as a few other things. However, under that layer of authority, there are more complex laws (rules) that state specifics, like the duties of certain offices. ie. The Secetary of War has control over all ground units.

Rule discussions are still going on right now.