We need to engage in a serious discussion of what cities to inlcude in the two provinces we have governors for. My proposition is that Fox's Nest, Eyr, Pherris, Shailenogha, PDX and whatever city(s) we build in the northwest be the first province. Civanator and Khatovar will be the first cities in the second province, and will be joined by one or both of the cities we want to build in the SE (assuming the Egyptians do not settle there), as well as a couple of cities in current American territory between Civanator and Khatovar and the coast.

Lets have some suggestions!

PS . I know we already have a thread about this, but I wanted to start fresh, as times have changed.

Eyrei's proposition is workable and geographical - which had huge popular support. But weren't we going to limit a province to five cities? If so we might want to consider shifting PDX to an 'American' province once a city is built NW of Eyr and we've Phoenaticized a few of Abe's cities.

i can work with Eyreis proposal, but yes you must remember that we're only to have 5 cities per province

I'm running an idea through my mind about the geographically-based provinces. Something like 126 land tiles for each province. still working on my map, but i'm tired and going to bed.

I support eyreis idea :goodjob:, but I would still like to come back to the suggestion I made in the other thread: can we not plan out provinces that contain up to 5 major cities, then accept them to grow to 6 or 7 if we settle aditional cities (which will inevitably stay small) in the same geographical area?

Originally posted by Killer
can we not plan out provinces that contain up to 5 major cities, then accept them to grow to 6 or 7 if we settle aditional cities (which will inevitably stay small) in the same geographical area?

That sounds reasonable, especially since we are not building very densely right now, so 'minor' cities will have to be built later to take advantage of all of our land.

Originally posted by eyrei


That sounds reasonable, especially since we are not building very densely right now, so 'minor' cities will have to be built later to take advantage of all of our land.

I just feel we shouldn`t have provinces ripped to pieces and scattered all over the place (geographical base avoids this) or have to shift towns from oen prov to another (and maybe a third or back) later (allow growth to 5 major + small towns addresses that).

Hey eyrei, hpw`s your halo? Does it give you a headache yet?

:lol: I`m glad I`m not a deity - I can still misbehave.....

Originally posted by Killer



Hey eyrei, hpw`s your halo? Does it give you a headache yet?

:lol: I`m glad I`m not a deity - I can still misbehave.....

I'm not sure if I should be proud or extremely embarrassed that I have 1500+ posts. It depends on the day, and who I am talking too.:crazyeye:

Originally posted by eyrei


I'm not sure if I should be proud or extremely embarrassed that I have 1500+ posts. It depends on the day, and who I am talking too.:crazyeye:

:lol: you mean when you talk to your boss you`d prefer to drop a zero or two? :lol:

Fox's Nest, Eyr, Pherris, Shailenogha, and PDX should be the first province. All additional cities should go in the second province. When we get to eleven cities we should be willing to redefine the provinces in whatever fashion makes the most geographic sense.

i'm not sure how this map will go over with everyone, but it's a plan that will cut down on shifting the province borders, plus allow for individual province growth. if you want to dense build, then do it. if you don't, don't. you have 126 tiles in each province that can be used any way the citizens want. they are responsible for their polution, roadways/railways/ etc. (or not, that was just a thought). but it does show a stable growth path that one can follow. BTW, use the outside (most NE) yellow lines. i had to make a slight adjustment. anyway...



http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/provinces.jpg

I like it Cyc - especially the part with Washington in one of our provinces.:satan:

i would include the norhtern yet to come cities into the red province + shilo

I like Cyc's plan. One thing to consider though is that number of cities in a province will have empire-wide implications for corruption.

I like the geographic province idea also. We'll need to work out tile use though. There will be frequent instances where a city will want or need to use tiles in another province.

I vote for Cyc's plan

Originally posted by Falcon02
I vote for Cyc's plan

me, too!

maybe we could define the areas where two towns overlap as interprovincial borderland now and have them "rules" by the two cities, instead of putting down a line now and then start to argue later?

In in with Cyc, because this way PDX can be the capital of the new province :D :D :D

In addition to that, I like pictures, so any plan with graphix draws my attention...

EDIT: 100th post...:beer: [dance]

i'm in with any proposal that will give me my province quite frankly. yeah sure that would be nice. so says the governor of the (currently) invisible province.

Skilord, missed you at the Last Chance last night. Must have been the burritos. Anyway, would you favor governing the NW coast of the yellow province or the NE seaboard of the blue province? Both seem to have their advantages. Both will be hit hard by corruption (unless one of them is chosen to build the Forbidden Palace).

One thing i like about this 126 tile provincial allocation is that it can be used with all of our land acquisitions. No matter how much territory our grand Military Department brings us or in which direction our borders expand, this plan could still be applied.

I am not to sure about this approach. For one, during the last turn, the Egyptians built a city in what is supposed to be the first province. Also, there is no guarantee we will settle any of that are south of Fox's Nest, as we are in war mode, and not producing settlers very quickly. The provinces should be defined using cities we either already have, or are sure we will have. I propose my original suggestion, but removing PDX.

Eyrei, i would have to disagree with you there. I believe the new egyptian city will be ours shortly. This would put that city in your province and captured or flipped enemy cities are usually good producers (especially ones so close to our capital). And of course we will be building out the area SE of Fox Nest. We need to protect our capital by fortifying the area with border towns, and they probably won't be border towns for long. And as far as developing your province, i can see 9, count them 9, very good cities growing soon. But that is looking into the future. I guess I shouldn't do that.

If we were at peace with most of the civs to the south, I would agree we would easily expand in that direction. Unfortunately, that are is probably swarming with enemy units right now, which means it will be some time before we can get down there safely. Even worse, the Egyptians, who are not at war with anyone, seem bent on expanding in that direction. They will probably be the ones to get that territory.

I do not forsee the Egyptian city joining us peacefully, as Egyptian cities, in my experience, are very resistance to cultural takeover. Also, we are not exactly impressive culturally, nor do we have any cities in that area yet. The area to the south, in my opinion, should be its own province should we manage to settle it.

What to do with that settler is not an easy choice. I'm inclined to think along the lines Cyc has - we need border towns to insulate Fox Nest. The settler is escorted by a warrior and a spearman. There is also a Greek swordsman to the south.

Trouble is, where would we build in the west? I'd prefer to see a city on a hill for defensive purposes. I'd also like to get the lux down there.

The east has merits as well. We must do both. Our military position is much improved and we can afford to make another settler. In fact I have suggested in other threads that Eyr make a spearman then a settler to settle the NW. (We must rid ourselves of the pesky barbarians there.) In the future the NW city and Eyr could alternate building settlers and escorts until we have no more places to build cities. 4 or 5 cities devoted to military production for the wars should be enough now.

Eyrei,
Point 5: Cultural Leader: Make's decission's regarding Expansion ,construction of cultural city improvement's.

We have already expanded to the north, thereby extending our Cultural influence in a northernly direction. As a nation we need to expand to the south and southeast. In doing this our Cultural influence would naturally extend with us. By keeping the area south and southeast of Fox Nest in the first province, we are helping to ensure this Cultural growth. If we push off or abandon this area to a future province, we will just be delaying or stunting this growth.

So I would have to strongly recommend that an effort be made to accommodate this area in your consideration of your provincial boundries.

I certainly would like to expand to the south, and have no problem with those cities making up the bulk of the first province. However, I am not sure how feasible this is considering the current military situation. I do not think the province debate should end until we have settled all we intend to settle. If we do settle that area, then your proposal is perfect. However, for the time being, I think we should not yet consider that our territory, and therefore, not take it into account when defining our current provincial borders.

once we build up our military, we need to expand down there. I expect we will build our Forbidden Palace somwhere in Egyptian or Greek Territory ;) . Anyway, by expanding southward we take more pressure off our capital, and created more low corruption cities to produce more military. So long as we can keep those cities of course.

originally posted by eyrei:

I certainly would like to expand to the south, and have no problem with those cities making up the bulk of the first province. However, I am not sure how feasible this is considering the current military situation. I do not think the province debate should end until we have settled all we intend to settle. If we do settle that area, then your proposal is perfect. However, for the time being, I think we should not yet consider that our territory, and therefore, not take it into account when defining our current provincial borders.

What in heaven's name does the current military situation have to do with deciding which cities are in which province?

We have already elected a governor and the poor guy has taken to calling himself governor of the 'invisible' province. Let us at least acknowledge what he is the governor of so he can do his job!

Originally posted by donsig
originally posted by eyrei:



What in heaven's name does the current military situation have to do with deciding which cities are in which province?

We have already elected a governor and the poor guy has taken to calling himself governor of the 'invisible' province. Let us at least acknowledge what he is the governor of so he can do his job!

The reason I mentioned the military situation was that settling half of what is to be the first province is contingent on that area not being covered in enemy troops. Were these cities already built, I would be all for Cyc's proposal. I wish I could figure out a way to put these proposals into polls, since I do not have the software necessary to make a graphic representation. I request that the Cultural Minister replicate his image, and open a poll on this issue.

My proposal is that a line be drawn from Fox's nest to Pherris, and then up to Shailenogha, and everything from that line to the sea be the first province. The second province would be defined by a line from Civanotoria, to Khatovar, and then to PDX as the western border. The northern border would be a line due east from PDX to the coast, and the southern border would simply be all territory that is currently America.

Can we dispense with the proposals long enough to acknowledge that SKILORD is currently governor of Pherris and Civanator and the domestic leader is the the governor of the other cites ('the first 5 cities')? We elected a governor (and this is a good time to remind everyone that he is the ONLY member of the government actually ELECTED by the people) and it is time to let him govern!!!

After that you can propose all the changes you want and get the cabinet to decide the issue.

Originally posted by donsig
Can we dispense with the proposals long enough to acknowledge that SKILORD is currently governor of Pherris and Civanator and the domestic leader is the the governor of the other cites ('the first 5 cities')? We elected a governor (and this is a good time to remind everyone that he is the ONLY member of the government actually ELECTED by the people) and it is time to let him govern!!!

After that you can propose all the changes you want and get the cabinet to decide the issue.

Works for me.:)

Originally posted by donsig
Can we dispense with the proposals long enough to acknowledge that SKILORD is currently governor of Pherris and Civanator and the domestic leader is the the governor of the other cites ('the first 5 cities')? We elected a governor (and this is a good time to remind everyone that he is the ONLY member of the government actually ELECTED by the people) and it is time to let him govern!!!

After that you can propose all the changes you want and get the cabinet to decide the issue.
I also agree.