LATEST NEWS:Al QUIDA SAID IT WHERE THEY WHO DID IT.
11/09/01one of the biggest tragedys of mankind
has now the public answer who did it.
good news for america:no more people blaming they do the bombing without proof.
well i was a bit sceptical about the bombing because there where no proof but now al quida said they do it so the world opinion must now give america permission to kill every alquida pig in the world.
but my real reason my topic is about it walkerthe american taliban fighter:what should we do with him?
is he brainwashed?is he a victim?or is he just a madman who hates his own country?i want your replys

Wrong forum ;)

Walker is nuts.
Why else would you want to defend an oppressive regime like the Taliban......

Walker should be flayed, and then impaled and burnt simultaneously.
As should the rest of them, after every skerrick of information is squeezed out of them.
He may have been a young impressionable fool, who was "led astray", but he did join Al-Qaeda and fight with them. And met OBL.
Kill the little fool.

Walker is indeed a fool. And a nobody. It is rather sad that somebody so insignificant takes up so much space/time in the news. He was a nobody in the US, and a nobody in al-Qaida. Put him on tribunal, brush him aside.

Originally posted by Sodak
Walker is indeed a fool. And a nobody. It is rather sad that somebody so insignificant takes up so much space/time in the news.
Acrually it is very useful. It greatly lessens the public relations impact of enforment actions directed predominantly at muslims to have our first and biggest show tril on an anglo American.

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
Walker should be flayed, and then impaled and burnt simultaneously.
As should the rest of them, after every skerrick of information is squeezed out of them.
He may have been a young impressionable fool, who was "led astray", but he did join Al-Qaeda and fight with them. And met OBL.
Kill the little fool.


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Ahhh, Simon Darkshade, what a classic reply :D

Originally posted by dannyevilcat

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Ahhh, Simon Darkshade, what a classic reply :D

Thank you, thank you. Wait. You thought I wasn't being serious.
Doing exactly as I suggest, and then broadcasting it simultaneously on CNN and Al-Jazeera would take some of the attraction out of martyrdom; it doesn't matter how many virgins you are promised, no one likes being skinned alive, and then slow roasted with a spike up their cat flap.:D :lol: :lol:

Is he an American?

It seems to me he gave up his US citizenship when
he joined the taliban. He wasn't a spy or a traitor.

He never pretended to be an American soldier.
If he is a traitor so is John Paul Jones (to Scotland).
Jones was (born in Scotland) and fought the British.
I would call Jones an American, he fought openly
under the american flag, Jones chose America. Walker
chose the taliban.

He should be treated exactly the same as the rest
of the prisioners. Whatever fate is in store for them.

i think tha walker should get some really punishment
let him suffer under the great american culture!
(walker will be killed by excecution:the public opinion wants it)

In Britain we have quite a few of people joined Al Qaieda and Taliban most of these people didn't seem to have a very strong conviction to Islam. Many foreign fighters are the people that are society leaves behind, the loner. These are character trait they all had in Britain, they go to fight for the comradeship. Something dearly lacking in post-industrialist, cynical, materialist society. This is not to say that these people may be suffering from psychological disorder. Personally, a private school near me had a Head of Prefects that joined a radical islam organisation, apparently he was alright. Anyway he is currently being seeked by the American government.

So ask you to be more understanding of people like Walker as they obsiviously had some trauma in their life to make them go and fight.

Remember, death sentence is savagery. Thats why most of civilized world doesn't murder its citizens.

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth and we will all be blind.

Maybe the big problem is in structure of modern society which frustrate a lot of people ( if not the majority :( ) from a "socialisation" ...
This is in my opinion a BIG problem.

Originally posted by redtom
Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth and we will all be blind.

Tolerance for anything and "rose parfume" as solution for big threats and we will be the slaves of unscrupoulos tyrans and organized crime seniors ... ;)

Regards

P.S. : Excuse me my bad english ...

Originally posted by Mîtiu Ioan
Maybe the big problem is in structure of modern society which frustrate a lot of people ( if not the majority :( ) from a "socialisation" ...
This is in my opinion a BIG problem.



Tolerance for anything and "rose parfume" as solution for big threats and we will be the slaves of unscrupoulos tyrans and organized crime seniors ... ;)

Regards

P.S. : Excuse me my bad english ...

Which is why instead of throwing silly quotes everyone know by earth by now we should try to find an happy medium ;).

As for the topic at hand...*shrugs* I suppose death sentence is what he's going to get. But a civilized, decent death sentence - like any one else condemened to death. Anythign else, especially since *ANY* Al Qaeda trial in the US (or in many other places of the world) have no claim to being a fair trial (be real about it...think of the common rules of what constitute a fair trial - judge and jury not already heavily leaning on one side, etc), would be the absolute worse thing america can do, regarding world opinion. Bad enough that he's going to get death sentence, which doesn't sit too well with the rest of the world (use of death sentence)...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the US Government hasn't been able to find any offences to charge John Walker with that carry the death penalty...


This is still in the wrong forum BTW ;)

Originally posted by Sodak
Walker is indeed a fool. And a nobody. It is rather sad that somebody so insignificant takes up so much space/time in the news. He was a nobody in the US, and a nobody in al-Qaida. Put him on tribunal, brush him aside.

Troubling thought... a "fool" could infiltrate the Al-Qaeda/Taliban while the CIA could not :p

Originally posted by redtom

So ask you to be more understanding of people like Walker as they obsiviously had some trauma in their life to make them go and fight.

Remember, death sentence is savagery. Thats why most of civilized world doesn't murder its citizens.

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth and we will all be blind.

Most of the civilized world doesn't go around flying planes into buildings, either. Why don't you try living in such a violent country as the United States, and then tell me what you think of the death penalty? Semi-socialist paradises like Sweden can only afford to be so soft on crime because they hardly have any. Their populations are so small and so homogeneous that this garbage almost functions.

Anyone who takes up arms for the enemy of his nation is a traitor. Walker is a traitor, and he should be put on trial as one, made to take responsibility for his actions rather than being written off as a victim of the Western juggernaut.

Originally posted by allhailIndia
Troubling thought... a "fool" could infiltrate the Al-Qaeda/Taliban while the CIA could not :p
:lol:
Seriously, tho, a fool could easily get in because he can be duped and molded to an organization's needs. Someone with intelligence would arouse suspicion, and probably would take a long time to infiltrate. As for the CIA, well, there came to light some years ago that they still had not updated some basic info that most people knew from the evening news. That was a bit of PR mud in the eye, even tho it was just a recordkeeping failure... Plenty of jokes circled about how the CIA had not yet (in 1992) heard of the collapse of the USSR, and such. :crazyeye:

Originally posted by Sodak

:lol:
Seriously, tho, a fool could easily get in because he can be duped and molded to an organization's needs. Someone with intelligence would arouse suspicion, and probably would take a long time to infiltrate. As for the CIA, well, there came to light some years ago that they still had not updated some basic info that most people knew from the evening news. That was a bit of PR mud in the eye, even tho it was just a recordkeeping failure... Plenty of jokes circled about how the CIA had not yet (in 1992) heard of the collapse of the USSR, and such. :crazyeye:

In fact the CIA had its own traitor by the name of Aldrich Ames who blew away(literally) 20 agents in the USSR who were working for the CIA.... for money:eek: :eek:

Originally posted by Case
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the US Government hasn't been able to find any offences to charge John Walker with that carry the death penalty...


This is still in the wrong forum BTW ;)

I think taking arms against ones own country counts as High Treason here in the UK, which still carries the death penalty. As does piracy for that matter, although not software piracy as yet...

Originally posted by Primeval Dragon
Most of the civilized world doesn't go around flying planes into buildings, either. Why don't you try living in such a violent country as the United States, and then tell me what you think of the death penalty? Semi-socialist paradises like Sweden can only afford to be so soft on crime because they hardly have any. Their populations are so small and so homogeneous that this garbage almost functions.
Huge difference between the USA and the countries where "this garbage almost functions" is something called gun control. If you had any knowledge about Europe you would know that it's anything but homogenous. Where I'm from (The Netherlands) I think about 20% is originally born in another country, you can hardly call that homogenous, still "this garbage almost functions".....

If the Americans want to run and around with guns and kill each other, let them. If they believe that it is their constitutional right to kill each other, let them.

We don't...

I'm sure money has *nothing* to do with it.

Apologies for antagonising any Americans who don't support the gun lobbies - keep voting!

Hang on, we've gone right off topic here!!!

I think the same should apply to anyone who takes up arms against their own (democratic) country:

1 You just lost your citizenship pal.

2 Everyone knows what happens to traitors when they're returned by hook or by crook.