Welcome to the new Warlords SGOTM forum. We've split this one out in the hope that there will be less confusion as we start to overlap Vanilla and Warlords SGOTMs.

SGOTM 04 - Gandhi In Space - Warlords-style

And ... Welcome to the fourth Civ4 SGOTM, and the first that is Warlords-only.

This game will re-enact the historical Civ3 SGOTM 09 challenge. It is 4000 BC. You are the Viking leader, Ragnar. You have met the Indian leader, Gandhi, and you have signed a pact in blood. The Vikings agree to teach india the art of war, and make them strong through conflict. In return India will take the Vikings to the stars.

You start the game as a neighbour of India. Following the pact you are at permanent war with Gandhi, and will remain so for the rest of the game. You are allowed no peace treaties with India. And India must win by space victory. All victory conditions are enabled except Diplomatic, but the winning team will be the one that gets India to Alpha Centauri, and does it fastest.

The Game
This Monarch difficulty game is on a Standard size, Gyathaar-special, fractal map, at Epic speed, against 7 rivals including India. All victory conditions are enabled except Diplomatic, but the laurels for this contest will be awarded to the teams who achieve the fastest Space defeat by Gandhi.

Versions
This game will be played in Warlords Version 2.08 only.

It will be played using the current version of the HoF Mod. This is version 2.08.003 for Windows, and version 2.00.002 for Mac.

If later versions of Warlords or the HoF Mod are released they cannot be used for this game.

Mac OS X players will be welcome, but they MUST play in a separate team, as we cannot provide a cross-platform version of the HoF Mod that would allow Mac and PC players to share the same saves. So there will have to be at least five or six Mac players to form a quorum.

Sign up
The game will start on February 23rd.

Please post in this thread if you wish to join a team and take part in the competition. The information required to place you in a suitable team is as follows:-


Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before?
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
Do you have a group of players you want to play with?
Please state if you wish to play in OS X on a Mac. If so you will have to join a Mac-only team.


Starting Position
Here's the starting position - click the image below to see a larger version.

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/civ4games/images/sgotm4_start_small.jpg (http://gotm.civfanatics.net/civ4games/images/sgotm4_start_large.jpg)

Map Parameters
Playable Leader/Civ - Ragnar of The Vikings
Rivals - 7 civs including Gandhi (who is locked in war with Ragnar)
World size - Standard
Difficulty - Monarch
Landform - Fractal, cylindrical, medium sea level, temperate
Game Speed - Epic
Diplomatic Victory Disabled
All other settings are defaults

Notes

Please visit the Civ4 SGOTM reference thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=168439) to check out the rules and procedures to ensure that you are adequately prepared for this game.

Warlords v.2.08 is supported for this SGOTM. No other versions can be used, and you will have to stick with the same version throughout the game.

Teams will compete for up to four awards - the Gold, Silver and Bronze Laurels for the fastest finishes, and the Wooden Spoons for the lowest scoring finisher. The number of awards may be reduced, depending on the number of teams who sign up.

Awards will be given to teams who achieve Space defeats to India in the least turns.

All saved game files uploaded to the server are parsed through software that extracts and archives data about your save, including reload count for each turn set.

Spoiler information will absolutely NOT be tolerated in this thread.


Please sign up now for this interesting twist on the game of Warlords.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
This will be interesting.

Perhaps another version of the game will actually see Gandhi take off?? :rolleyes:

XTeam please. :p

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:blush: Forgot the questions.

1. Monarch
2. Yes
3. Yes

oh boy...this will indeed be interesting...I've never intentionally lost before.

anyway,
I would like to play on Geezers if we are signing on for it, otherwise, with whichever other members of Geezers wish to play.

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game? Monarch
Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before? Yes
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? Yes
Do you have a group of players you want to play with? as above, Geezers

:lol: :lol: :lol:
This will be interesting.

Perhaps another version of the game will actually see Gandhi take off?? :rolleyes:

XTeam please. :p

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:blush: Forgot the questions.

1. Monarch
2. Yes
3. Yes

What he said.

And as I recall, I led Team Bede to a stunning upset loss to a cultural victory by the Celts of all people in the SGOTM original. Perhaps under other auspices it will go better.

Sounds interesting...

Monarch
yes
yes
Chokonuts (but I don't think the others have Warlords)

What he said.

And as I recall, I led Team Bede to a stunning upset loss to a cultural victory by the Celts of all people in the SGOTM original. Perhaps under other auspices it will go better.

What Bede and Leif said. I hope Gandhi learns to build a boat or two this time. We actually played it out to 2050, and he still hadn't done much. I think the winning team got a lucky break due to a wonder cascade giving India the Apollo program.

Count me in, just let me see if all Fifth Element team will join.

Finding this thread is just a bit easier than find the Graal

Not for me, this time.

I'd love to give this another shot, but do I have the time...? At least I don't think there'll be any trouble getting AIs to build spaceships this time round!

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game? Prince
Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before? I played Civ4 GOTMs 1 & 2
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? A few Civ3 SGOTMs
Do you have a group of players you want to play with? I can't guarantee the time to play. Attach me to a team as a lurker with the possibility to upgrade?

Gandhi to the stars again, eh ? :suicide:

1) Just bought warlords and did not get a game done, yet. In Vanilla : Monarch to Emperor
2) Yes.
3) Yes
4) Geezers

1. Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game? Noble
2. Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before? Yes - WOTM4 & WOTM5
3. Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? No
4. Do you have a group of players you want to play with? No
5. Please state if you wish to play in OS X on a Mac. If so you will have to join a Mac-only team. No

If I am difficult to place due to low ability level I am ok with sitting this one out. I've been practicing a lot and should be ready for next one if I don't make it this time. :)

OK, so let me get this straight... we're at permanent war with Ghandi, yet we have to ensure that they win a space race victory???

Monarch
Yes
Yes
Fifth Element

Well I must admit I think this is an absolutely cracking idea for a SGOTM.

Congrats to the staff for finding games that look stretching and fun whilst retaining a difficulty level that most players will feel happy to join in with :goodjob: :cheers:

1. Emperor
2. No
3. Yes all SGOTM's
4. Fistful of Dynamite

Hmm, I like this challenge.

Monarch
yes
yes
Chokonuts (omw out to buy warlords :-) )

Ha, can't resist this one! :lol:

1. Prince
2. No
3. Yes
4. I'm hoping Peanut will have me (to level the playing field a little... ;))
5. No

Level: prince/monarch.
GOTM yes
SGOTM yes
Team: Trash (if playing)
Mac: no

If I am difficult to place due to low ability level I am ok with sitting this one out. I've been practicing a lot and should be ready for next one if I don't make it this time. :)

Jenarie. A positive attitude, willingness to debate things and commitment to particpate are FAR more valuable to any team than just about anything else. So don't let lack of CIV expertise deter you, these boards (and hence the teams) are full of friendly people and I honestly believe no team would be unhappy having a noble level player join them.

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of Gyathaar :evil: SGOTM's

I would like to join

1 Emperor
2 Yes (GOTM8 and onwards)
3 No
4 Murky Waters (together with Gnejs if possible)

1. Monarch
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Team VQ if they get their act together otherwise, put me anywhere

Anyone have a link to the original SGOTM 9?

Anyone have a link to the original SGOTM 9?

It is in the Civ3 SGOTM forum. The different team threads are still there on the first page.

Hi, signing up.

1. Emperor
2. No
3. Yes
4. Team Fistful of Dynamite

I would like to join.

1. Prince.
2. No.
3. I am currently playing my first succession game.
4. No, I will play with any team that will have me. (I still consider myself a novice but I believe I can hold my own on Monarch)
5. PC version.

I believe the Gypsy Kings will try to field a team for this one.
I'm first!!!
Monarch
yes
yes
see above
PC

Oooh, sounds too fu to miss out on!

Prince/Monarch
I think I played GOTM1. Not for a while :)
A few SGs and a wooden spoon under my belt :D
If we get a few signups, Realms Beyond.

1. Monarch
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Team VQ if they get their act together otherwise, put me anywhere

Anyone have a link to the original SGOTM 9?

SGOTM 9 Maintenance Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=139048). All the Civ3 SGOTM threads are still available, it's just that (some of) SGOTM 9 is older than the 100 days default display for that forum. You only have to select "since the beginning" as the forum display option at the top.

This looks fun! I would like to join!

1. Emperor
2. Yes, most of them lately.
3. Nope.
4. Murky Waters (Team me up with Erkon if possible. Someone has got to correct all his mistakes... :)

I am in!

1. Monarch
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Pioneer Knights

I'd love to play on the Mac team ... but I'm on a Macbook and my understanding is that the latest warlords patch from Aspyr breaks Civ for my (admittably unsupported) integrated intel graphics chip. A pity since I run vanilla just fine.

If they fix that in time I'll play. Otherwise I think I'm out of luck again.

Monarch
Yes
Yes
Fifth Element

1- Emperor
2- No
3- Yes
4- Fistful of dynamite

1 Emperor
2 Yes
3 Yes
4 Fistful of Dynamite

Ha, can't resist this one! :lol:

1. Prince
2. No
3. Yes
4. I'm hoping Peanut will have me (to level the playing field a little... ;))
5. No

SOunds good to me!

I'm keen, BTW. :)

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game? Emperor
Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before? Yes.
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? Yes.
Do you have a group of players you want to play with? Yes - peanut

I believe the Gypsy Kings will try to field a team for this one.
I'm first!!!
Monarch
yes
yes
see above
PC Can't leave our fearless leader out there by himself! ;) Somone has to have his back.

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game? Likely to win ... monarch. Close but no cigar yet ... emperor
Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before? Yes
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? Yes SGOTM 3
Do you have a group of players you want to play with? Gypsy Kings
Please state if you wish to play in OS X on a Mac. If so you will have to join a Mac-only team. Not an issue.

"Comfortable" in the first question is quite open to interpretation. I have found that I am quite "comfortable" playing deity ... once I resign myself to the fact that I am not going to win it :lol: But I am not going to "win comfortably" on that level. :mischief:

dV

1.Monarch/Emperor... on Vanilla, maybe Prince on Warlords!:lol:
2.yes
3.yes
4.Gypsy Kings
5.PC

1. Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game? Prince
2. Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before? No
3. Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? No
4. Do you have a group of players you want to play with? No, put me on a team :)
5. Please state if you wish to play in OS X on a Mac. If so you will have to join a Mac-only team. No

Great game idea. It should create a host of differing strategies.

1. Monarch
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Chokonuts

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game? Comfortable on Monarch, nervous but competant on Emperor.
Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before? Yes.
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? Yes.
Do you have a group of players you want to play with? Yes - Trash Team (if we can get Cabert to capitulate).
Please state if you wish to play in OS X on a Mac. If so you will have to join a Mac-only team. No.

Hello.
1. Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game? Prince, working on Monarch
2. Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before? Yes
3. Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? No
4. Do you have a group of players you want to play with? Nope

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game? Prince/Monarch
Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before? Yes
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? Yes
Do you have a group of players you want to play with? Xteam

1. Got warlords for Christmas and have played one Prince game (won)
2. No Warlords SGOTM
3. One Civ IV SGOTM and many Civ III SGOTM
4. No preference
5. Windows guy

1. Monarch I guess.
2. no
3. yes
4. VQ
5. PC

I am doubtful if VQ can form a team, so I would welcome Jenarie or anyone else without a team. Just sign-up in the VQ Series Discussion Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=166876&page=21) (sorry for the shameless commercial plug).

Just remember: we love having new players for lunch.

EDIT: Opps, please insert the missing "over" appropriately above ... :D

I've heard a lot of talk about this big AI improvement in Civ4 compared to Civ3. But is it really so good now that it can actually win? :eek: I am not sure if I want to join this time, cause I still remember very well how frustrating Civ3 SGOTM-9 was.

Would love to play..

1.)Monarch
2.) Played a bunch of GotM of CivIII and CivIV, never submitted though
3.) No experience so far
4.) If they take me, Realms Beyond.

1.)Prince
2.) Yes
3.) 1 so far
4.) no preference but would liek to play with immaculate if he joins.

SGOTM 9 Maintenance Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=139048). All the Civ3 SGOTM threads are still available, it's just that (some of) SGOTM 9 is older than the 100 days default display for that forum. You only have to select "since the beginning" as the forum display option at the top.
Where could i download the initial savegame for that. I can't find it. :blush:

1. Immortal
2. yes
3.yes
4. preferrably cdz if we get around to setting up a team

Instead of the 'flying dumbo', do the winning teams get the 'Fast Worker with Rocket Pack' icon? ;) This was rather frustrating the first time around - I guess I'm up for more abuse.

Emperor'ish
yes
yes
Team Peanut!

I'm querying Team Peanut in our SGOTM3 thread right now. Looks like DaviddesJ is passing this time, ainwood is up for it, and a space oddity has asked to climb aboard. More to come.

I suppose I had better help keep the team on track. :lol:

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game? Warlord/Noble
Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before? Yes, but never finished.
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? Yes.
Do you have a group of players you want to play with? Team Geezers please

1. Monarch I guess.
2. no
3. yes
4. VQ
5. PC

I am doubtful if VQ can form a team, so I would welcome Jenarie or anyone else without a team. Just sign-up in the VQ Series Discussion Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=166876&page=21) (sorry for the shameless commercial plug).

Just remember: we love having new players for lunch.

EDIT: Opps, please insert the missing "over" appropriately above ... :D


What he said

Warning to new players........our last new bunch got lost in the twilight zone.

Where could i download the initial savegame for that. I can't find it. :blush:

Go to the Civ3 SGOTM Results page and select SGOTM 9. Then go down to the lower part of the screen and select "List of saves" in the Display Format menu. Click Refresh to see a list of all the team saves. Make sure the 'Start File List At:' menu is set to start at 4000 BC. If not then set it to 4000 BC and click Refresh again. You should see an array of scores, representing all the team saves submitted for the game. The scores are links to the saves. The 4000 BC saves are just links named 'Start'.

This same format option is also available in the Civ4 results pages.

To all teams:

I cannot sign up teams larger than ten players for purely practical reasons.

However, regardless of that limit, I shall resist attempts to build teams larger than eight active players. I think teams bigger than this are likely to suffer excessive delays between turn sets for individual players, and some players may only ever get one turn set.

I'd like to play

1.)Monarch
2.) no
3.) No
4.) If I'm allowed, Realms Beyond.

If there's a Team Peanut, you can add me as Lurker.

1. On Warlords? Prince
2. No
3. Yes
4. The Real Ms. Beyond (assuming that we keep that name)

1. Monarch
2. A few
3. A few
4. 5th Element

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Noble.
Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before?
No.
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
civ3-sgotm11.
Do you have a group of players you want to play with?
as the first civ4 sgotm, I wish not to spoil the team much, so I wish be a lurker, team peanut is priority .
Please state if you wish to play in OS X on a Mac. If so you will have to join a Mac-only team.
PC.

I'm up for playing again...

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Monarch

Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before?
Yes

Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
Yes

Do you have a group of players you want to play with?
If Short Straw will be re-forming, I'll go with them/us!

Please state if you wish to play in OS X on a Mac. If so you will have to join a Mac-only team.
PC only please!

Signing up!

1. Monarch
2. yes
3. yes
4. Peanut

Go to the Civ3 SGOTM Results page and select SGOTM 9. Then go down to the lower part of the screen and select "List of saves" in the Display Format menu. Click Refresh to see a list of all the team saves. Make sure the 'Start File List At:' menu is set to start at 4000 BC. If not then set it to 4000 BC and click Refresh again. You should see an array of scores, representing all the team saves submitted for the game. The scores are links to the saves. The 4000 BC saves are just links named 'Start'.

This same format option is also available in the Civ4 results pages.
I've never been to that part of the site.

Cheers, thanx. :goodjob:

1. Emperor/Immortal
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. CRC
5. PC only

We're forming a new team with many people new to GOTMs - but not Civ :) - the roster being:

Grey Cardinal
Lexad
kaizer
Gosha190
Morcar
jeffa
Godwar
kicks

Reserve: Murick, zxhex, mest

All the team members will register here. Reserve members would fill in if gaps arise.

1. Noble can be... I am not assured.
2. I did not finish any games.
3. no
4. CRC (civru.com)
5. PC

1. Prince
2. Yes
3. No
4. CRC
5. PC only

1. Monarch/Emperor
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. CRC
5. PC only

1. Monarch (Emperor in some cases).
2. No.
3. No.
4. CRC.
5. PC.

1. Monarch
2. No.
3. No.
4. CRC.
5. PC.

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
MONARCH (in Warlords -- have yet to play it)

Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before?
NO

Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
N0

Do you have a group of players you want to play with?
YES __ Xteam

Please state if you wish to play in OS X on a Mac. If so you will have to join a Mac-only team.
PC

Hi, all.

1. Monarch
2. No
3. Yes
4. CRC
5. PC only

By jingos, that CRC team is looking very ... err ... :dubious:

I wonder what does that suppose to mean? :hmm: :)

1. Prince/Emperor
2. No
3. No
4. CRC-reserve
5. PC

talked to klarius and would like to join the team he is on, I guess it is Peanut?

1. pretty new at CIV though rather familiar with Civ servies
2. Tried
3. Civ3 SGOTMs
4. Peanut
5. PC

1. Monarch
2. Yep
3. Yep
4. Murky Waters (tho' we may have to rename it as I gather Murky is sitting this one out....)
5. PC

sign me up please!

1. Monarch
2. Yes (vanilla only)
3. Yes
4. Team Smurkz. Four existing members expressed interest. And of course we are always happy to convert more people to the way of the Smurkz ;).
5. PC

1. In CIV, I get my comfortable butt whipped on Deity. I make the AI's butt downright uncomfortable on Monarch. Bought Warlords today, so...
2. CIV GOTM yes, WIV not yet.
3. Yes.
4. Murky(less) Waters.

Sign me up as lurker for Team Smurkz, 'cos I don't have CIV or C4W. Which means I can't mess up the work of others. :crazyeye:

1. Emperor (C3C).
2. No
3. C3C with Team Smurkz (9, 10, 11 and now 12).
4. Team Smurkz
5. PC

Well, looks like team Peanut is filling up pretty fast. Just wanted to be sure I still get my place on the team... ;)

1) Immortal
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Peanut
5) PC

1. Monarch
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Chokonut

(Sorry - please disregard)

1. Monarch
2. No.
3. Yes.
4. CRC.
5. PC.

It looks like the Team Peanut roster :) for WSGOTM04 is:

civ_steve
ainwood
Mailman (posted in WSGOTM03 thread)
malekithe
klarius
a space oddity
Wotan
DaviddesJ (lurker)

Monarch
Yes
Yes
Fifth Element

I too will join my team-mates to play.

1. Prince
2. Yes
3. Yes all SGOTM's
4. Fistful of Dynamite

1. Monarch (in vanilla)
2. No (I still not have even play warlords ;-) )
3. SGOTM3 (we'll make it !!)
4. Team Smurkz (there is no other team like this one, you know ;-) )
5. PC

I still need to find a copy of warlords.
Silly question from a beginner in Warlords: do you need a "dual install" to run warlords and vanilla, or is it like mods ?

When you install Warlords you get a separate executable, and separate data folders for your Warlords saves and mods, and the existing Vanilla data, mods and executable are unaffected. So it's rather like a Cv3/PtW/Conquests arrangement.

You play Vanilla or Warlords by launching the appropriate executable with the correct CD/DVD in the drive, I guess on Windows that will typically be via a desktop shortcut.

Monarch
Yes, the very early ones
Yes, in both Civ3 and Civ4
Team Smurkz (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=182143)
PC

1. Monarch/Settler
2. Yep
3. Yep
4. Murky Waters (Someone has got to carry them through again!:))
5. PC

1. Prince (Vanilla), Noble (Warlords)
2. No
3. No
4. Team Smurkz
5. PC

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Monarch

Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before?
No

Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? Yes - SGOTM #3, and 100+ SGs that I ran.

Do you have a group of players you want to play with? Yes - Real Ms. Beyond ONLY.

The Real Ms. Beyond folks want me back. :hmm:

If it isn't too late, please put me on that team Alan.

If it isn't too late ....

Too late? Too LATE? !!!!! I haven't even started to assemble the teams for this game yet. We don't start until 23rd.

No problem :)

Lurker for smurkz again please

1. Level I play = Monarch; level comfortable with = settler :lol:
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Smurkz (Lurker)
5. No

I guess I'll give it a try.

Monarch
Yes, but not recently.
yes.
Xteam if they'll have me.:p

*Monarch

*Yes

*Yes - The russian one

*Don't mind

*Windows only

Oooh, sounds too fu to miss out on!

Prince/Monarch
I think I played GOTM1. Not for a while :)
A few SGs and a wooden spoon under my belt :D
If we get a few signups, Realms Beyond.

I think my answers are 'as above' but I played in GOTMI and II and my team preference is certainly Real Ms Beyond.

1. Prince/Monarch
2. Yes
3. No

1. Prince/Monarch.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.


4. Murky Waters (Someone has got to carry them through again!:))


4. The same !! ;)
5. PC.

1. Monarch
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Smurkz (if they'll have me again)
5. PC

Thanks,
B

1. Emperor
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Anyone from Team One if they are playing again. Otherwise I don`t mind.
5. PC

sounds cool, i'll sign up

1. prince/monarch
2. yes, tho not competitively ;)
3. no
4. no


:cool:

1. Prince
2. no
3. no
4. Team VQ

1. Prince/Monarch
2. No
3. No
4. CRC-reserve
5. PC-only

Please give me a dedicated lurker status for Team Smurkz! I hope to be available again from the beginning of April on or maybe during some lucky days in between.

1. Immortal
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Team Smurkz
5. PC

1. Noble/Prince
2. Yes
3. No
4. Chokonuts

1. Monarch/Emperor
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Team One, if there are enough of us
5. PC

1. Monarch/Emperor
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Team One, if there are enough of us
5. PC

1, 2: No experience whatsoever
3, 4: I've been playing with the local idiots (C3C), but whoever feels like some kindergartening, really. BCLG mentionned a CDZ team, that is a good option to me.
5. PC

Please add me as a lurker to the Smurkz roster. I don't have Warlords (yet) so I can't play (at this point) but I might still drop a comment or two. ;)

1. Prince/Monarch
2. No
3. Yes
4. Team VQ
5. PC

What he said.

And as I recall, I led Team Bede to a stunning upset loss to a cultural victory by the Celts of all people in the SGOTM original. Perhaps under other auspices it will go better.
Yeah, I remember that. Hopefully this time things will work out better than the last attempt.

1. Monarch-Emperor
2. No
3. No.
4. CRC-reserve
5. PC-only

1) Monarch
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Short Straw
5) PC

Well, I've never tried to lose before but I'll give it a shot.

1> Emperor
2> Yes
3> Yes
4> Short Straw
5> PC

1. Emperor
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Fistful of Dynamite
5. PC. Mac's were once cool and counter-cultural, now they're just yuppie food :(

5. PC. Mac's were once cool and counter-cultural, now they're just yuppie food :(

A lesson in how to make friends and influence people? :p

5. PC. Mac's were once cool and counter-cultural, now they're just yuppie food :(

Counter-cultural was once cool, now it's just an affectation.

1) Monarch/Emp on original Civ4 (lost a few space races at higher levels too)
2) 3 or 4 prev GOTM's (mid tableish)
3) NO
4) Any one that will have me.
5) PC

A lesson in how to make friends and influence people? :p

I'm just a little disillusioned lately. (And maybe I'm trying to stir the pot a little... :mischief: )

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game? Comfortable on Monarch, nervous but competant on Emperor.
Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before? Yes.
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before? Yes.
Do you have a group of players you want to play with? Yes - Trash Team (if we can get Cabert to capitulate).
Please state if you wish to play in OS X on a Mac. If so you will have to join a Mac-only team. No.

I capitulate, now find some other players!

I'm playing monarch usually, I played SGotM3 with the trash team, and I'm PC only.
TRash team for the win...errr....the loss:crazyeye:

Do you forsee a time when teams can have people who play on both macs and PCs?

Do you forsee a time when teams can have people who play on both macs and PCs?
Since we are now committed to using the HoF Mod for all Civ4-based GOTM competitions, and the HoF Mod is currently incompatible across the two platforms, it would need one of two significant developments:

It could happen if Firaxis and Aspyr (the Mac version publishers) ever get their act together to adapt the game software to support cross-platform SDK-based mods. That isn't beyond the wit of competent programmers, but I'm not sure I can see a commercial justification for them to do it, apart from the good will it would generate in the Mac gaming community.

The only other option I can see is to find a way to make the full HoF Mod functionality work without a custom DLL. I have given that a little thought, and have some ideas that may work, but I haven't even had enough time to build a proof of concept to see what's feasible.

Monarch
Yes.
Yes.
Team Geezers
PC

1. Monarch I guess.
2. no
3. yes
4. VQ
5. PC

I am doubtful if VQ can form a team, so I would welcome Jenarie or anyone else without a team. Just sign-up in the VQ Series Discussion Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=166876&page=21) (sorry for the shameless commercial plug).

Just remember: we love having new players for lunch.

EDIT: Opps, please insert the missing "over" appropriately above ... :D

Yep, me 2.. Except My playing field on warlords I still dont know :(

1. Competent on monarch
2. Have played some GOTMs but haven't submitted any.
3. Have played some SGs, no SGOTMs
4. Have been invited to team Trash, so would like to join them.

im sorry i cant find losing interesting ;)

After some consideration, I reckon I can find the time to squeeze in one SG.

So scratch my earlier request to be a lurker-with-possible-upgrade, this is a full-fledged sign-up:
1. Prince
2. Plenty of GOTM experience, but not really in [civ4] (played 4OTMs 1 & 2).
3. Plenty of SGOTM experience, [c3c] only though.
4. Any team that'll have me.
5. PC only (my wife's not bought Warlords for her MacBook yet...).

After some consideration, I reckon I can find the time to squeeze in one SG.

Well done.

I don't really see the point of an "unallocated lurker" .. isn't that what all the spectators are? So I don't think you'd have made it onto a team list unless you had nominated one specific team to which you have had a previous affiliation.

[UPDATED] To avoid multiple copies that are bound to get out of sync, please find the latest team lists in post#172

I think Smurkz could use another player or two considering both CommandoBob and Marc Aurel signed up as lurkers while you have them listed as players. :p

Sorry, missed that. Now corrected.

CDZ has more players pending, namely robboo, shabbaman, socralynnek and killercane. They are aware of this thread and they should be posting here. Either way, there will be a team CDZ and you shouldn't worry about allocating us more players. Thanks.

Well then again looking at our rate of play suddenly give us an extra 6 anyways and we might finish this one ;)

I would love to give this a go!

1. Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
- Prince

2. Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before?
- No, I am a GOTM newbie, so will need to be told what to do.

3. Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
- No

4. Do you have a group of players you want to play with?
- No, I'll go with whoever will put up with me.

5. Please state if you wish to play in OS X on a Mac. If so you will have to join a Mac-only team.
- PC

I see that this will start on 23 Feb. I will be away on holiday from 23 Feb to 2 March but hopefully this would not be a problem as I would just miss the opening discussions and the first few moves.

As this would be my first time in a SGOTM, I would probably need to be handheld through some of the basics, like what patches and mods I need to activate. I've tried to read all the rule etc, but there is a lot of information to take in and so I probably haven't absorbed it all.

How do I know if I've been put in a team? Is it in this thread or somewhere else?

I've been signed up to Smurkz.

welcome to the GOTM!

You'll find out what team you have been placed on in this thread...additionally, you may find yourself invited to join a team, what with so many teams low on team members.

CDZ has more players pending, namely robboo, shabbaman, socralynnek and killercane. They are aware of this thread and they should be posting here. Either way, there will be a team CDZ and you shouldn't worry about allocating us more players. Thanks.

Please tell them to get their skates on! We were due to start this game on Friday, though it may have to be delayed as my team lists are late.

I've been signed up to Smurkz.

Smurkz team list above is updated.

How do I know if I've been put in a team? Is it in this thread or somewhere else?

Welcome. :wavey: This is the only thread relating to this game currently. I've added you to the list of unallocated players in post #127 above.

I think the unallocated players should go on teams already sorted. I am currently playing on the flying vanillas and there are a put together team. We are struggling to get any progress have a high skip rate/very few posting and are gonig very slowly (i.e. last) by 300 yrs but not including the last 2 teams over 550 years.

Sign me up for CDZ.

If I could still Join the Gypsy Kings, then please add me to them. Thanks!

1. Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?

Prince

2. Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before?

Yes, have played a few (3 or 4 probably)

3. Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?

Yes, have completed 1 and am doing 1 other at the moment

4. Do you have a group of players you want to play with?

Gipsy Kings: Ronnie1, Conquistador63, da_Vinci please

5. Please state if you wish to play in OS X on a Mac. If so you will have to join a Mac-only team.

I'm a windows boy, through and through :)

I think the unallocated players should go on teams already sorted. I am currently playing on the flying vanillas and there are a put together team. We are struggling to get any progress have a high skip rate/very few posting and are gonig very slowly (i.e. last) by 300 yrs but not including the last 2 teams over 550 years.

Sorry to hear that.

It's very much a lottery, and some teams created from unallocated players have been very successful. This time it does look as though we have several under-staffed teams that can absorb single players. In previous games the established teams have been fully staffed, leaving few gaps to fill.

@Jon Shaw and killercane: Done.

@AlanH: You forgot zyxy's signup (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5084788&postcount=73) to Team Smurkz.

Hmm. Somehow he got into VQ. Fixing it.

OK, put me into Team CDZ!

Thanks AlanH!

Please add me to Geezers.

I got a nice PM invite which I'll do my very best to make sure they don't regret. :)

I'm really excited to be starting my first SG. I've been wanting to do this since I first heard of them but didn't think I was a good enough player. I've improved my game quite a bit through practice and reading the board and although I'm still not very good I'm hoping I can contribute to the team.

@AlanH: You forgot zyxy's signup (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5084788&postcount=73) to Team Smurkz.
Heh, that AlanH missed it is one thing, but how in all Holy Smurkziness could I miss it when checking the team list?!? Sorry about that zyxy, but I'm sure you know we love you anyway... ;)

@eldar: Welcome aboard! :wavey:

Seems like Team Smurkz once again has a full roster then (and a good number of lurkers too), despite some of us old players not having Warlords. Go Smurkz! :goodjob:

Which level (noble, monarch, etc.) are you comfortable playing in a solo game?
Have you played any Civ4/Warlords GOTM games before?
Have you played any succession games or SGOTM before?
Do you have a group of players you want to play with?
Please state if you wish to play in OS X on a Mac. If so you will have to join a Mac-only team.



Prince.
No.
No MP of any kind -- please be forgiving of any newbie folly!
No.
Yep, OS X, which may well mean I'm out of luck...

Yessssssssss we have a team CDZ ;)

Alan,

The correct spelling of our team CRC member's nick would be kaizer. Thanx in advance :)

Also I wonder that if we had intersecting SGOTMs and SWOTMs, the pending one would better be named SWOTM-1?

Changing the name would require some script changes, and I'm far too busy currently to do it. So, sorry, you'll have to live with SGOTM 4.

No problem

PS. SGOTM 3 had a set of Warlords teams, so this couldn't be SWOTM 1, anyway ;)

Team lists are updated to this point. If there are any errors or omissions, please speak now.

Realms Beyond (or The Real Ms. Beyond?): BeefontheBone, darkwatcher, Kodii, LKendter, ruff_hi, Sir Bugsy, TheArchduke



Real Ms. Beyond is the correct name, and what we played the last one under.

Hi Alan,

Please add me to Trash team. I was invited :)

Thanks!

When do the teams get finalised then? What happens next?

This sounds fascinating. Credit to whoever came up with the idea for this inverse space race objective.

Please read post #127. You can also see the sequence previous game have taken by looking at old Sign-up threads. Most importantly, please do as I asked at the start of this thread, and read the Civ4 SGOTM Reference Thread where the whole process is mapped out and the overall Rules are defined.

Specifically for this game:

24 hours ago I gave 48 hours for smaller teams to get more of their previous players to sign up, or to form mergers. In another 24 hours I shall assign remaining unassigned players to the remaining smaller teams. At that point you will know which team you are assigned to, subject to any last-minute errors, appeals and complaints. I shall then open the Team Threads for private team discussions, and the Maintenance Thread for ongoing public administration of the game. You will check in to your appointed Team Thread, where you will hopefully get to know your team-mates, and the game details and internal team administration will be discussed.

The individual starting save for each team will become available on the SGOTM Progress and Results page as the clock strikes twelve in GOTM-server-land to herald in the 23rd February.

count me in

1- Monarch
2- yes
3- yes
4- Fifth Element

:cough: This thread has been open for two weeks. The game is due to start in just over 48 hours. Anyone planning to play had better have their name in the frame TODAY, or they will have to take their chances at the back of a queue.

We have promises of sign-ups from other CDZ members - where are they? Others seem to think I can magic the teams together an hour before we start.

Give me a break ... please?

Yep, OS X, which may well mean I'm out of luck...


Alan, I think you overlooked this part of Ankh-f-n-Khonsu's signup.

My view on this is the same as yours, a little on the hopeful side - if they don't come by, they're not in. We're 4 already, give or take whoever you would see fit to toss in - we probably will keep our spoiler over there though. But yeah, I certainly understand your view.

:hmm: I'll sign up now then.

1. Monarch(Warlords)/Emperor(Vanilla)
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. I'm afraid not. If anyone from the Memphis Blues team makes the deadline for signing up I would like to be in the same team.

Alan, I think you overlooked this part of Ankh-f-n-Khonsu's signup.

Thanks. Updated.

We haven't heard from one team member but it looks like Team One and Short Straw will merge.

We haven't heard from one team member but it looks like Team One and Short Straw will merge.

I am in for the merge, too. I believe I am the aforementioned team member who RobertTheBruce had yet to hear from. As for the new team name... well that is still a matter of debate :D

This scenario looks fascinating, would love to participate. Unfortunately, RL has been severely limiting my CIV playing time, so I think I need to stick to a dedicated lurker role.

1) Emperor
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Looking for a lurker role, have posted a note to my old teammates (Geezers) to see if I can join them.

I think the unallocated players should go on teams already sorted. I am currently playing on the flying vanillas and there are a put together team. We are struggling to get any progress have a high skip rate/very few posting and are gonig very slowly (i.e. last) by 300 yrs but not including the last 2 teams over 550 years. @ g_storrow: We only have 4 Gypsy Kings moving from vanilla to Warlords for this one, so we would be happy to have you (and Immaculate, if he signs up ... I have not seen his sign-up post yet) with us. I can guarantee you fast play, few skips and deep discussions if you should agree to join us, as I think we have been the fastest playing vanilla team in SGOTM 3. Have you checked your PM box?

dV

This scenario looks fascinating, would love to participate. Unfortunately, RL has been severely limiting my CIV playing time, so I think I need to stick to a dedicated lurker role.

1) Emperor
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Looking for a lurker role, have posted a note to my old teammates (Geezers) to see if I can join them.

Of course he is welcome to join us as a dedicated lurker or even as a member who plays a set if he finds the time.

@ g_storrow: We only have 4 Gypsy Kings moving from vanilla to Warlords for this one, so we would be happy to have you (and Immaculate, if he signs up ... I have not seen his sign-up post yet) with us. I can guarantee you fast play, few skips and deep discussions if you should agree to join us, as I think we have been the fastest playing vanilla team in SGOTM 3. Have you checked your PM box?

dV

I would love to join. Immaculate wont be back until at least the 27th feb I think so I am unsure of his participation.

AlanH,

Team One and Short Straw have merged and will now answer the new name: "Team One Short Straw".

TDK

I am in for the merge, too. I believe I am the aforementioned team member who RobertTheBruce had yet to hear from. As for the new team name... well that is still a matter of debate :D

I'll give you the working name of One Short Straw for now. Please get it resolved in the next 24 hours as I have to prepare the team saves before we begin. Once it's burned into the starting save you can't change it.

[EDIT] Just seen TDK's post. 'One Short Straw' it will be.

If it not too late, I'd like to sign-up as well...

1- Monarch
2- yes
3- yes
4- Team VQ

If it is too late, I will assume a dedicated lurker position, or even the occasional fill-in :)

Here are the team lists following your mergers and acquisitions and my assignments. (I've updated post #127 to link to this list)


Completed Teams:

CDZ: BCLG100, Beorn-eL-Feared, Softnum, killercane, socralynnek, Drool

Chokonuts: Ozbenno, cubbiesin08, McArine, Mighty Dwaarf, ngraner42, Terminator3k

CRC: Grey Cardinal, Godwar, Gosha190, jeffa, kaizer, kicks, Lexad, Morcar - (reserves: Murick, Budda, mest, zxhex)

Fifth Element: BLubmuz, BrianS, Civicide, Doom Train, Merum, Sweetacshon, The Sansman

Fistful of Dynamite: Ralph Jackson, blid, Kikinit, Manic_ , pindicator, Rihiter, sooooo,

Geezers: Thrallia, Harbourboy, Htadus, Jenarie, markh, Sam_Yeager (The-Hawk)

Gypsy Kings: Ronnie1, Conquistador 63, da_Vinci, g_storrow, immaculate, Jon Shaw

Murky Waters: Erkon, Big Pig, Gnejs, JERFit, jouhpaulcain, LowtherCastle, Mîtiu Ioan

One Short Straw: mushroomshirt, llib_rm, mdy, mboza, RobertTheBruce, TDK

Peanut: a space oddity, ainwood, civ_steve, klarius, Mailman, malekithe, Wotan (archphoenix, DaviddesJ)

The Real Ms. Beyond: BeefontheBone, darkwatcher, Kodii, LKendter, ruff_hi, Sir Bugsy, TheArchduke

Smurkz: Methos, eldar, battchy, DeafDolphin, semolina, unkle, zyxy (CliftonBazaar, CommandoBob, Marc Aurel, Niklas)

Trash Team: pigswill, cabert, Cam_H, MrMahk, remconius, stuge

VQ: bobrath, Cosmichael, GreyFox, healium, Maquis, namliaM, Scowler

Xteam: leif erikson, Bede, Cactus Pete, DJMGator13, Frederiksberg, rrau, sanabas



Macintosh players:


Ankh-f-n-Khonsu, Puddleduck - needed more Mac players. It looks like they are out of luck :(

I didn't get a team? :(

I didn't get a team? :(

So sorry. I just knew I'd miss one. I've added you to Murky Waters.

@Frederiksberg and Drool: team CDZ stands for Civ Duel Zone, a PVP site where the other members of the team hang out. I invite you to go have a look: pre-game discussion @ CDZ (http://civ3duelzone.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4112).

If you would rather, we can hold a spoiler here with everyone, but it's hard enough to shake up a CDZ team together that it's custom to have the thread over there.

Beorn we seem to have been using the spoiler over here for this game and especially with non cdz'ers we should make an effort to use this one, its only a few more clicks to get here :)

Hi AlanH.

Please add The_Hawk to the Geezers as he wanted to be a lurker with us.

Thanks.

I read the rules but I may have missed this somewhere. I don't understand the idea of official lurkers.

If someone isn't playing, he can read as many team threads as he likes, correct? Is there a rule somewhere that states no one can post unless they are an official lurker and thus only reading one thread? I have read a couple team threads for SGOTM3 but never posted since I wasn't sure if I were allowed. I'm guessing once a non-player has poked into more then one thread he shouldn't post but does someone need to be an official lurker to post? Or does it mean something else?


I feel like a little kid on Christmas Eve. I'm really excited about the new game starting. :)

Official lurker is a non-playing character of the team. It is a way to get more involved, but it prevents you from poking around.

This should be in the readme somewhere, I have seen that question way too often for Mr H's sake ;)

An official lurker as I understand it gives them the right to post and comment on the game for just that one thread.

Any thread can be read by pure lurkers, but an official lurker agrees to look at only one thread.

An official lurker will usually be a player who's had "history" with the team in question in the past - usually in previous SGOTMs - but who for whatever reasons doesn't have time to actively participate.

I'd like to play, but if teams are set I'll pitch my name in here as a possible alternate. I won't read any threads, etc. and hop in someone needs an alt.

1) Prince / Monarch player.
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) No Pref
5) Windows XP only.

An official lurker as I understand it gives them the right to post and comment on the game for just that one thread.

Any thread can be read by pure lurkers, but an official lurker agrees to look at only one thread.

My personal preference would be to have players and spectators ... period.

"Official Lurkers" appeared when players wanted to be involved in team discussions within the threads for teams they had played in previously, but were not going to play turn sets because of time constraints or whatever.

As far as I am concerned they are team players who don't submit turn sets, and who I don't count when I'm ensuring that teams have enough playing members. Since the genii is out of the bottle I shall continue to allow them in moderation, but I shall avoid stretching the point to defining lurkers who have no previous relationship with the teams they want to be attached to.

Beorn we seem to have been using the spoiler over here for this game and especially with non cdz'ers we should make an effort to use this one, its only a few more clicks to get here :)

I applaud your suggestion. It will be difficult to add players to your team as long as you insist on playing as an 'away team'.

It's zero more clicks to get here if you set your CFC team thread as a favourite.

I've updated the team lists to include all requests to date.
Team threads will open shortly.

As far as I am concerned they are team players who don't submit turn sets, and who I don't count when I'm ensuring that teams have enough playing members.

As a "lurker", I think that is exactly right.

I've updated the team lists to include all requests to date.
Team threads will open shortly.

The Maintenance Thread for this game is now open for general, non-spoiler discussion and announcements for this game.

Your Team Threads are also all open, and the SGOTM Progress page is primed to provide your individual team start files in approximately 4.5 hours from now.

Please ensure that you download only your own team file when you begin. Each start file is individually tagged with the team name.

I applaud your suggestion. It will be difficult to add players to your team as long as you insist on playing as an 'away team'.

It's zero more clicks to get here if you set your CFC team thread as a favourite.

just noticed this post- the original reason for not posting on cfc was because the majority of the players couldnt access cfc from work (where they did all their posting) thus not being able to access the thread- this has changed with player change and new blood now of course :)

Yes, I saw that explanation once before, and I wondered why CFC barring by employers would be a bigger problem for CDZ players than for the rest of the SGOTM community.

pre this SGOTM cdz took the game at a lot more laid back pace. However if more posting and therefore discussion was done whilst they were at work then it is best that the thread was at a place where they could access- this worked ok with the first 2 SGOTM's because we copy pasted all the posts over. Now we've just decided it was easier to do it here :)

Yes, I saw that explanation once before, and I wondered why CFC barring by employers would be a bigger problem for CDZ players than for the rest of the SGOTM community.

Or why we should be changing our rules to help people get around restrictions that their employers have deliberately imposed.

In what way what so ever we're any rules needed to be changed? there is no rule which i can find that discussion must occur in the discussion thread- discussion itself is optional and cdz is certainly not the only team that did it.

I don't think its a matter of rules and regulations. I think that the essence of CFC is people posting their tricks and tips so we all learn from each other so we can all become better players. Hopefuly at times we entertain each other as well. Its difficult to do that if people are posting their discussions off site.

Not so much because there was a program created so that every post we did make offsite was copied and posted here- there were about 20-30 posts per post just i dont think many read them.