Position: Chieftain

This is the Nomination thread for the office of Chieftain.

The Chieftain is the supreme leader of our nation, and holds all powers not granted to another official. This specifically includes the duties of Election Officer, organizing the Designated Player pool and appointing citizens to vacant offices.

To nominate a citizen for Chieftain, including yourself, post the name in this thread or PM Ravensfire. In order for a citizen to be accepted for the election, they must accept the nomination by posting in this thread or sending a PM to Ravensfire. Self-nominations are considered automatically accepted unless indicated otherwise. Citizens may only accept one nomination.

All citizens are encouraged to post questions to the nominees about their plans and qualifications for the office. Nominees are encouraged, but not required, to answer those questions.

The election poll will be posted at 6:00 pm, Feb. 24, CST, and will list all accepted nominations, in order of acceptance.

Good luck!
-- Ravensfire

I nominate Ice2k4 for the office of Chieftain.

I can't think of any citizen that's started their campaign as early as he has, so let's get him nominated first!

-- Ravensfire

"In Ice we trust"

Nomination Accepted. Thanks for the noms good citizens.

I nominate ravensfire. He's done a lot of work to push the start of the game forward and should get the opportunity to bask in the glory, if he wants it.

I also support ice2k4 as a strong advocate of playing the game.

I firmly support Ice2k4!

Uhhm, Ice2k4 for Chieftain!

I nominate ravensfire. He's done a lot of work to push the start of the game forward and should get the opportunity to bask in the glory, if he wants it.

My thanks for the nomination, but I plan to use my effort in another office, and help keep things running smoothly.

-- Ravensfire

Hopefully I'll have some opposition here. Otherwise, what fund would there be? ;)

My platform as well as campaign headquarters can be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=207980)

Remember, vote Ice2k4, the first registered citizen, for First Cheftian.

I would also like to nominate Falcon02 and Methos. Both have been very active in the pregame.

To all candidates:

The position of Chieftain is that of a leader. What will you do in your first week in office to lead this nation?

Thanks,
-- Ravensfire

To all candidates:

The position of Chieftain is that of a leader. What will you do in your first week in office to lead this nation?

Thanks,
-- Ravensfire
In my first week, if elected, I plan to of course settle our fine city, and make sure the game pace moves a bit faster (since these are the beginning turns.) In the meta game I plan to appoint 2-3 deputies to decrease the unemployment rate ;) I plan to hire a deputy that is in charge of turnchatly updated screen shots of city views, overall empire view, world view and other important things. Last demogame although the cartography office did a great job, screen shots weren't pieced together and thus made it hard to be part of the game without opening the save.

I also plan to create a deputy to run a history department, which the explanation can be found in this post. This way newcomers can get caught up on the game rather quickly.

Getting this nation organized is my main priority. Remember what we do in this term can set an unwritten code of standards for all the terms to come.

I'm not exactly sure how far we will get in-game this term, but i do hope that we can get our empire functioning and running, as well as hopefully see a second elder.

Question for the candidates: (And thanks for leading into this, ice2k4!)

One of the duties of the Chieftain is the organization of the Designated Player pool. What will you do to keep the process going smoothly? How often would you like to see game sessions happening, and for how many turns per session?

-- Ravensfire

I liked the clear ideas of candidate ice2k4 about strategy (not agree with all,
but this doesn't the matter).

I shall support him.

Best regards,

I would also like to nominate Falcon02 and Methos. Both have been very active in the pregame.

After a lot of consideration I've decided to accept my nomination as a candidate for Chieftain.


The position of Chieftain is that of a leader. What will you do in your first week in office to lead this nation?


I believe the first week will be a very important week and possibly a little slow to move. There will be many exciting and very importants decisions we as citizens must make: choosing where to settle, what to research, what to place in the queue, whether to push for growth/research/production. I believe the first week of the term will be primarily the discussion on the above. I don't wish to spend too much time on this discussion, but I honestly believe the early turns are the most important turns of the game, and therefore should not be rushed due to our eagerness to play.

One of the duties of the Chieftain is the organization of the Designated Player pool. What will you do to keep the process going smoothly? How often would you like to see game sessions happening, and for how many turns per session?

The order of the DP would follow the number of votes each member received from greatest to least. In other words, the DP candidate with the most votes plays first, the next most votes second, and so on. I would like to have at least two turnsets a week and would prefer, if possible, for them to be played online. The first turnset I believe should be twenty turns, the second turnset should be fifteen turns, and all turns after that should be ten.

Edit: Please ask any questions you have either here, or at the Methos for Chieftain (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5123140#post5123140) thread. Thank you.

One of the duties of the Chieftain is the organization of the Designated Player pool. What will you do to keep the process going smoothly? How often would you like to see game sessions happening, and for how many turns per session?
In regards to organizing the DP pool, I will be using the traditional method of most votes to least votes order. In addition I will be checking in with the DP's to see if they can play a scheduled turnchat that is not theirs, in case the original DP can not play. This way turnchats will stay on schedule, as the other DP's will act as backups. This means no more delaying due to something restricting the designated player who is scheduled to play. I would like to see the first turnchat (excluding the creation day chat, which should end upon creation.) reach either 20 turns, or terminate upon the creation of our first settler (which is a hypothetical situation.) Turnchats after the first turnchat should last anywhere from 8-12 turns, and I'd like to see one every 3-4 days. (4 days is preferable.)

Question for candidates:

Do you think the Chieftain should have a role in fostering citizen involvement? Do you have any plans for the citizens role?

Do you have any ideas for ways to make the game fun for the most people possible?

(..)The election poll will be posted at 6:00 pm, Feb. 24, CST, and will list all accepted nominations, in order of acceptance.I thought we always use GMT, (and other timezones as addition).

Question for candidates:

Do you think the Chieftain should have a role in fostering citizen involvement? Do you have any plans for the citizens role?

Do you have any ideas for ways to make the game fun for the most people possible?
Although I have no way of controlling citizen involvement completely, I do encourage participation, whether it be in legal wrangling, game decisions or role play. I hope to increase the role play level during my term, as well as throughout the game, and although I do not like the judicial part of the game, I encourage all legal buffs to take part in discussion, as long as it's with in a separate thread than rpg or game discussions. Last DG, many legal battles took place in the game decision threads, and caused many people to just simply stop reading these long posts that had to do with technicalities. I believe that the judicial buffs, the rpg players and the game decision makers to all coexist.

My main concern is rpg though, as you can see we have only a limited amount of this. It is a bit early to start rpg, since we haven't even created the game yet, but I try to encourage more role playing through my paper (The Stone Tablet) and seek to expand in the near future. I strongly believe that every citizen should be attracted to some aspect of the game.

Questions to both candidates:

On which level and settings do you normally play [civ4]? (If at all :p)
How would you describe your usual strategy?

Questions to both candidates:

On which level and settings do you normally play [civ4]? (If at all :p)
How would you describe your usual strategy?

Usually I play on Prince for a sure victory (and to test out strategies) and for a challenge I play monarch. A general strategy can be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5122920&postcount=27), which was requested by another citizen. Again, I would like to state I plan to follow the citizens will, whether it be my strategy or not.

More detailed strategies can be found here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5120548&postcount=13) (also previously requested.)

Do you think the Chieftain should have a role in fostering citizen involvement? Do you have any plans for the citizens role?
Do you have any ideas for ways to make the game fun for the most people possible?

I believe its everyone's role to help foster citizen involvement, including the Chieftain. One aspect that both Ice and I seem to fully agree upon, is keeping subjects in their own thread. This is one of the reasons I really like Locke's citizen group idea (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=208224). Everyone of us has our own reasons for why we enjoy playing the Demogame. Some like the RP'ing, others the legal side, and so on. By keeping threads focused on their own subject we'll tend to keep citizens involved in the aspects of the game that they like. Letting a thread stray to several differing topics causes players to skip over the thread and their interest begins to wane. With any luck from our now resident moderator (and his ability to split off posts), hopefully we can keep the involvement and excitement of each and every citizen alive and well.

On which level and settings do you normally play [civ4]? (If at all :p)

:hmm: That's a tough one. All of my solo games are submissions to help increase my Quattromaster (http://hof.civfanatics.net/civ4/quattromasters.php) rank, so I don't really have a normal level or settings I play. I've played nothing but Deity level games for several days and than Settler level, so picking any single level is tough. If I had to pick one, I'd guess Monarch.

How would you describe your usual strategy?

Again, I'm primarily a HoF player, so my strategies coincide with the victory condition I'm aiming for. Since the Demogame won't have any specific VC we're going for, I'd say my primary strategy for the Demogame would be:
Worker first, but only if the worker completes just as a worker tech is researched.
Building a strong research base and boosting research as much as possible (i.e. Pottery and cottages if the terrain is available).
Expanding while keeping our economy stable. Fast research isn't any good if our economy can't support itself enough to keep the slider high.
Well placed cities. Making sure any new cities are placed in the best locations and setup for specialization.

I thought we always use GMT, (and other timezones as addition).

good idea i want to use gmt, being british as nothing to do with it honest!

First, after much thought, I shall decline my nomination.

Secondly, on the topic of "fostering citizen involvement" I'm not completely satisfied. One thing that I felt like you missed in your responses is that in my opinion every leader has the responsibility to promote discussion in their area (as a Warlord without officials that's everything). If something important doesn't come up for discussion a leader needs to bring it up, and if necessary start a new thread especially for it to make sure that it is visible and to draw people into that discussion to give input.

Other then that you both look like you'll do a good job :goodjob:

First, after much thought, I shall decline my nomination.

Secondly, on the topic of "fostering citizen involvement" I'm not completely satisfied. One thing that I felt like you missed in your responses is that in my opinion every leader has the responsibility to promote discussion in their area (as a Warlord without officials that's everything). If something important doesn't come up for discussion a leader needs to bring it up, and if necessary start a new thread especially for it to make sure that it is visible and to draw people into that discussion to give input.

Other then that you both look like you'll do a good job :goojob

Valid point, i guess if he dosen't bring it up and it appears he didn't consult the citizens that would be grounds to launch a coup if the decision was big enough especially if it went against public opinion and if he/she avoided bringing it up because of that.

To what level will your involvement be with the other offices? Will you try and make the decisions of the other offices co-incide with your own? Or do you follow your own agenda?

To what level will your involvement be with the other offices? Will you try and make the decisions of the other offices co-incide with your own? Or do you follow your own agenda?
I will not dance around this subject as my stance is pretty firm. I believe the Elder, although as important as the Cheftain in running our nation, is below him. I do plan to come to certain agreements if I'm far left and the elder is far right, but I rather let the citizens work out what is best in the instance. Since I do plan to be more of an organizer of the citizens then an official who plays the game as if it was his own, my orders will be for the most part the citizen's orders, and the elder most certainly should work his orders into the citizen's orders.

To what level will your involvement be with the other offices? Will you try and make the decisions of the other offices co-incide with your own? Or do you follow your own agenda?

From my understanding of the duties of Chieftain, I would be the similar to a supervisor at work. My job would be to make sure progress is going as planned and that my fellow officers are working together. In other words, I'd leave the other officers to their job and typically only step in if I was needed.

As to my own agenda, that would be based off of what the citizens prefer. I would not force my own agenda if the majority of my fellow citizens and officers disagree with it. I will instead seek out the best way to implement what my fellow officers and citizens have decided on. That doesn't mean I won't attempt to persuade my own opinion or ideas, but I will not use my powers as Chieftain to force them on the empire.

Again I must state, I prefer teamwork to individuals who run everything. I believe that respectful disagreements and debates help the learning process of the game and don't want everyone to agree with each other. In SGOTM9 we had two excellent players who disagreed and debated strategies throughout the whole game and did so respectfully and in a friendly manner. Be it known that we took the Gold Laurel that game.

BTW, I apologize that I haven't been active the past several days. Next week are finals week so I've been trying to stay away from CFC. Note that I said trying. It's kind of like the "Just...one...more...turn" bug. :lol:

Two part question...

When do you expect to pursue the creation of new office(s)?

And what do you expect those offices to be (ie. Domestic, Military, Culture, Civic, etc.)?

Yes, I realize new offices are initiative based (this within the power of the citizens). However, the Chieftain has a major role in this as overall leader of the country and the one who will be making the appointments

I doubt that we will reach a point in the term when a bunch of new offices need to be created. I think once we create our second worker, we may want to delegate infrastructural duties to a new position, such as a domestic minister. The early game is pretty easy to handle and micromanage. I do want to create a Military leader as soon as we meet our first barbarian warrior, or whenever we have both our first and second city properly garrisoned. Until either of those two, were not going to have any real military plans. As for religion and civics, were not going to be changing those so often that we need an official for it. Citizens can handle that duty. However, if we do found a religion, I would like the citizens to consider creating an office for just the spread of our religion. The building of wonders should be a duty delegated by the people. Other than that, mostly everything should be covered, until we decide to form a new government.

In my eyes it would be good to have a Warlord, Elders for each city, an official to handle workers and infrastructure, a Military Leader and possibly a Religious Minister. All other duties should be delegated by the people since they don't occur so often. However, officials used to serve the purpose of analyzing their area. Although the Foreign Minister didn't make that many in-game decisions, it sure helped when he analyzed all trade possibilities. I don't want offices like this being elected as they create way to many offices, and we'll start to get those pesky uncontested elections again. My plan to deal with this is to use deputies for the more analytical, logistical jobs. I'm a bit tired so I may of left some stuff out. Just tell me if you need more.

Nominations are CLOSED!

Link to election poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=209070)

-- Ravensfire