Hello and welcome to the official thread of the Liberal Democratic Party of Yasutan, or LDP. We hope you find everything quite alright.

You may have seen me around before: While I am new, I am a citizen in good standing, founder of the Bar Association and (not self-nominated!) candidate for Judge Advocate.

Please note: This has nothing to do with my run for Judge Advocate, and while I would welcome your vote for that, you shouldn't see membership in the LDP as an endorsement of me for that office. In retrospect, I half-wish I hadn't accepted the nomination for Judge Advocate at all, but now I've reached the point of no return.

What is the LDP?

The LDP is a loose organization of Demogame citizens who, as in the wise words of whoever wrote the Epistle to the Hebrews, Desiderantes meliorem patriam: desire a better country. To this end we advocate reason, caution, and tolerance in all decisions and towards all people.

What does the LDP stand for?

Liberal Democratic Party of course! :p

In all seriousness, though, the LDP is mostly about being careful and rational about our decisions. As such, the LDP:


Is suspicious of aggressive war. We don't like declaring war, and will only advocate doing so when necessary for national survival or well-being (a sick country is worse than a dead one.)
Is in favor of freer civics.

We firmly and stridently oppose Police State, and generally frown upon Hereditary Rule. We have no preference between Representation and Universal Suffrage.
We also prefer Free Speech to all the other civics in that category, though we do not oppose the others, and may indeed support less-free civics if circumstances demand it.
We also prefer Emancipation over all others; between the others, we will go as game strategy demands.
The LDP is in favor of Free Market. We are vehemently opposed to Mercantilism; we view the other two useful Economic civics with skepticism, but not intolerance.
Free religion over Pacifism; Pacifism over Organized Religion (unless we are going for a Space Race win or some such); everything over Theocracy.

Is always willing to reconsider.
Has membership free and open to all.
Will not endorse a candidate without the unanimous consent of party members. If even that is forbidden, then we will not endorse anybody, and request that a moderator remove this bullet point.
Will try to keep its members informed and ready.
Will not try to act like the CPSU, the SPD, the Republicans, the Democrats, or even Romano Prodi's Union. We're that loose.


With that, I thank you, and post this membership list:

Membership:
Lockesdonkey (founder)
Joe Harker
Hyronymus
CivGeneral

You have my backing except for the free market civic, i would go for the state property civic, as i found that it usally gives me more money. (does show how liberal i am though)

On a less important note the Liberal democractic party is too close to the liberal democrats in britain

You have my backing except for the free market civic, i would go for the state property civic, as i found that it usally gives me more money. (does show how liberal i am though)

On a less important note the Liberal democractic party is too close to the liberal democrats in britain

I'm not forcing you to be anything. And State Property only works if you have a very large empire (at least on Noble and Prince, which is what I'm used to and what we are probably using), and if you have a very large empire, you've probably been warmongering, and if you've been warmongering, you haven't been following the LDP program.

As for the name: I know. But:

1. Were I British instead of American, I would probably be a Liberal Democrat, so I don't see that as a problem.
2. There are lots of Liberal Democratic Parties, many of which are not liberal and some of which (like the Russian one) aren't even democratic. It takes all kinds.

So are you in?

Does this group intend to apply democracy to the setting of its goals and the causes it advocates? Put another way, suppose 5 people join and then they say that Organized Religion is fine as a civic when the country is producing lots of buildings, or is on a wonder push?

Can I be your running mate, Lockesdonkey? You seem to favour and tolerate the same civics I tolerate and favour.

yes i would have voted for the liberal democrats if i had been the right age, but there has been a few scandals, particulary the former leader having drink related problems, mind u you so have the other parties and they are the only real left leaning party now the labour party seems to take the centre, also i find state property to work on a relatively small empire, 5 cities, on noble, but that may to just be me.

by the way i am not expecting you to force me to do anything i am just saying i support u in what u are doing and saying how i would chose civics.

and don't let the avator fool u, i am as left leaning as can be.

Does this group intend to apply democracy to the setting of its goals and the causes it advocates? Put another way, suppose 5 people join and then they say that Organized Religion is fine as a civic when the country is producing lots of buildings, or is on a wonder push?

Essentially, yes. In your example, that's what Subpoint 5 of Point 2 means, combined with Pt. 3.

Can I be your running mate, Lockesdonkey? You seem to favour and tolerate the same civics I tolerate and favour.

What do you mean by running mate?

I was just joking, Lockedonkey. Nothing really, as long as I can be in your party :D.

Sounds great, but it's not the secular-progresssive liberal Civ I would like to have. Check out the Socialist-liberal Revolutionary Group(I can't call it a party)

I was just joking, Lockedonkey. Nothing really, as long as I can be in your party :D.

Cool!

(tenchar)

Not sure if this party would follow in to Social Republicanism (Link provided for info) (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Ideologies&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalIdeologies.Social_Republicanism). Though I do agree with most of the platforms.

Not sure if this party would follow in to Social Republicanism (Link provided for info) (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Political_Ideologies&action=Draw&choice=PoliticalIdeologies.Social_Republicanism). Though I do agree with most of the platforms.

I doubt it.

i'm in, thanks:goodjob:

I doubt it.

Geeze, this is hard for us moderates to find a political party :ack:.

Geeze, this is hard for us moderates to find a political party :ack:.

I'm not saying we're not moderate; like I say, the LDP is all for caution and restraint. It's just that I don't think that the whole party is ideologically Social Republican. Some members may be; the platform isn't really.

It's really hard to relate the socio-political classification of these citizen groups to anything RL. Also, people don't always role play their actual persona. :)

Even though I don't agree with the religion platform. I do agree with most of the stances in this party.

I hope it would be possible for me to join

No compulsion here. You don't have to agree with us 100%...just mostly agree with us. In any case, the religion thing is, in my opinion at least, the least important part of the platform.

No compulsion here. You don't have to agree with us 100%...just mostly agree with us. In any case, the religion thing is, in my opinion at least, the least important part of the platform.
Sounds better, Now where did I put my stamp to stamp my name on the sign up sheet?

I'll put your name on the list, then!

Let's get this started, shall we?

Sorry about this, but...

I'm opening the field for party symbols. At the moment, I have the following two designs (variations on the same theme, really):

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/3360/liberaldemocrats1qs9.png

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/7175/liberaldemocrats2sb2.png

The arrow symbolizes progress.

The field is now open!

Those colours hurt my eyes :p, what about using white and blue?

arrrrrgggghhh my eyes!!!!!!

OK, trying that:

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4972/liberaldemocrats3us9.png

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/575/liberaldemocrats4zw4.png

Better?

Just FYI, blue and yellow are standard liberal colors....That's what I was going by.

I think you also need a bit of a border around the edges...

Thin Black? if nothing else just for definition

Added thin black borders to all designs.

Added thin black borders to all designs.

Thanks that does help to improve things... made it a little more difficult to look at with the bright flag directly bordered by the light background of the post itself (at least with the default skin).

arrrrrgggghhh my eyes!!!!!!
My Eyes!! Ze goggles do nothing! ;)

Jokes aside, they do look good.

So which do you like most? Or do you have better ideas?

If I may add some advice: try a "warmer" shade of blue. This is way too bright to be pleasent. Reducing the white may help too.

So which do you like most? Or do you have better ideas?
Kind of hard to do since my ideas would be more American or Japanese-centric.

But the Blue and White is easy on the eyes (Not to mention matches my current avatar with Windows XP-tan's clothing ;) )

We have a thing to discuss! I will keep the discussion on this thread unless we want to put it on a separate thread.

So, LDP members, our party platform has this to say about Labor civics:


We...prefer Emancipation over all others; between the others, we will go as game strategy demands.

This gives us substantial leeway in determining the position of the Party on this issue.

I'm not sure how long I'll hold this discussion open. Suffice it to say we should be reasonably quick, so that we can speak in the main discussion thread.

I think certainly at the moment it gives us advantages over the default civic and hopefully only kill workers if nessiceary although if we are not going to use it there is no point wasting a turn of building time for a civic we not going to use

I see no use for a Slave civic.