He has to know we have at least infantry and gunships as we showed him a conga line back when we were trying to protect our improvements from his pillaging.

The lonely hearts horseman has been running circles around Uppsala playing follow the worker never bothered to whack the warrior. It has to be because he thinks the much stornger forces will leap upon him out of the fog.

His fleet remains bottled up in the north other than three firgates in the straits that spin around Uppsala like bottles on a honky tonk dance floor.

I have a nasty feeling that you are giving the AI to much credit when it comes to intelligent reasoning. It's probably necessary to have detailed knowledge of how the AI is programmed in order to understand the odd behaviour it exhibits. I doubt that moving our troops away from our home continent will make any difference because I don't see how Gandhi could know that we did this.

Well, it broke the stalemate, whatever I did.

In the next three turns Gandhi captured Uppsala and New Sarai and has sent a SAM to capture Nidaros which will happen in the next three turns.

If he would only release the cavalry from Madras and put them in the Viking lands he could capture the rest of the homeland in three more turns.

This is good news, although a little late to make a real difference I'm afraid. :(

The bizarre behavior of the AI continues to baffle!! :rolleyes:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

It certainly baffles me, but "Bravo!" for Bede.

If we let G continue in this mode, we need to monitor his ww.

We will probably have to defend Hadrumetum
again.

Should we attack G and reduce his supply costs after he has seized as much of the home continent as we want him to?

And what about rrau's suggestion to get Apollo out of Madras?

We will probably have to defend Hadrumetum
again.
:lol: :lol: :lol: I think you are absolutely right!!
Should we attack G and reduce his supply costs after he has seized as much of the home continent as we want him to?

And what about rrau's suggestion to get Apollo out of Madras?
I think both of these ideas need to be weighed against what WW they will create for G. :hmm:

If it will cause five more red faces, that can't be good?

Frederiksberg seems to have the best handle on this? What do you think? :scan:

I'll have to take a look into Madras but I fear it has way too many improvements that are money spinning for the Mahatma. Spy is there now so will take a look tonight and report back.

The Mahatma's war weariness is less of a problem than the "just too crowded" unhappiness throughout his cities by a factor of 4 or 5 times. That reflects lack of access to resources more than anything else. And since his enemy (us) controls most, if not all the resources in the world I am not sure what to do about that, short of turtling up in one city and giving the rest to Spain and Washington and hope they are in a generous mood when it comes to the Mahatma.

I am in a position now to smash both Washington and Hannibal into the dustbin, and if I do that I shall end up giving the Spanish all the territory in the middle of the continent to avoid the domination thing, or wait for Gandhi to gobble the rest of the homeland, and then smash them, or let them live a while yet, though what either has to offer I don't know as no one has been in a particularly generous mood when it comes to making Gandhi more competitive.

If he would utilize the resources he has, he would be better off, the Gems tiles are the prime examples.

If he gets off his can and takes most of our former homeland, then he should be fairly well off, if he doesn't pillage all the resources... :rolleyes:

The only reason I can think of to keep the other civs about is tech trading. As long as we keep them in the stone age, they can't really trade anything. But I think I would wait before we whack them... ;)

I think we have to assume that G will be able to trade, so let's keep the option available.

I'm ujp to 1940 and at peace with all but Gandhi. Washington and Hannibal yet live, and Gandhi is about to take Nidaros and the desert city SE of Haibathu.

There is no trading going with the Mahatma happening, he has nothing to trade with and is self researching everything. He was researching Assembly Line when I picked up the game and is researching Electricity now, very, very slowly.

I have gifted Isabella and Hannibal all the way to Robotics to remove the monopoly status of those techs, hoping to see them offer something to Gandhi and it is no dice. No give, even though Isabel is "Friendly" with the man.

Fission I am hanging on to, although only Spain has Uranium, which I keep sabotaged.

If there are no objections I will play on to 1950, just to see if Gandhi uses his new infantry to capture some undefended cities. That will leave us 100 turns to play.

I disappear for three months and return to find Bede and leif still trying to figure out how to get the AI to walk into our undefended cities. And we're running out of turns to play. Some things never change.

Sorry about bailing on the game, but there was no way I could play. Not sure if leif filled you in but my migranes and insomnia came back about the time this game got started. Between that and work I haven't played any Civ at all during that time. Doc change my meds up so that has helped but by the end of the work day I'm whipped. And now that summer is here we are in the real busy time at work so it will be several more weeks before I get a chance to play.

I'm ujp to 1940 and at peace with all but Gandhi. Washington and Hannibal yet live, and Gandhi is about to take Nidaros and the desert city SE of Haibathu.
I think I've heard this before. :mischief:

I'll be much happier when you say that it has happened! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have gifted Isabella and Hannibal all the way to Robotics to remove the monopoly status of those techs, hoping to see them offer something to Gandhi and it is no dice. No give, even though Isabel is "Friendly" with the man.
:rolleyes:

If there are no objections I will play on to 1950, just to see if Gandhi uses his new infantry to capture some undefended cities. That will leave us 100 turns to play.
No objection here! Good luck. :high5:

Thanks for checking in Gator. :thanx:
All that really matters is that you are feeling better and are conquering that stack of paperwork in order to return again. I think we missed some of those crazy ideas of yours! :p

Hope to see you ready for the next one, in the Vanilla SGOTM thread. Sign ups should be fairly soon. Please keep an eye out! :scan:

I think I've heard this before. :mischief:

I'll be much happier when you say that it has happened! :lol: :lol: :lol:




Yeah, well, I had lured a SAM infantry within two moves of Nidaros but even two workers kept dashing down into his face and one mooned him while the other shot him a bird then dashed back to a tiel right next to the city he wasn't get any closer. I had to lay a trail of breadcrumbs letting him steal a worker every turn, then of course he had to escort the worker back to safety.....

Finally he is right on top of the town, and there is an infantryman and a cav within striking distance of the other city who have been scooping up bread crumbs for three turns.

"If there are no objections I will play on to 1950, just to see if Gandhi uses his new infantry to capture some undefended cities. That will leave us 100 turns to play."

No objections, only encouragement and appreciation from me.

DJMGator13 . . . You post, ergo you exist!

Leif has kept it going in your absence. CIV and migraines would certainly seem incompatible. Hope you're over the worst. Thanks for inviting me onto the team. It's been fun.

Finally he is right on top of the town, and there is an infantryman and a cav within striking distance of the other city who have been scooping up bread crumbs for three turns.
The breadcrumbs must be tastier than the cities. Too much unhealthiness? ;)

Sounds like we will achieve giving G some good cities, but the question now is can he use them? :rolleyes:

Keep up the good work! :hatsoff:

Keep going as you've figured out how to get him to capture the cities :)

:bump: How are things going Brother Bede? :salute:

Well, it is 1950 and you have entered the twilight zone.

Gandhi will take 100 turns to finish the Apollo Project at Madras.

Washington and Hannibal have been silenced.

Gandhi did finally capture Nidaroa and Bjorgvin and Karakorum. He took Karakorum right after the Eiffel Tower finished, little good will it do him.

The server is being hinky so here is the save (http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/37083/Xteam_AD-1950.CivWarlordsSave)

Gandhi did send another armada to the west, sunk it.

He is currently researching Electricity and has 30+ turns to go on that. Isabella has passed him nothing from her tech hoard.

Despite all our best efforts getting Gandhi to space in 100 turns just won't happen.

Gandhi will take 100 turns to finish the Apollo Project at Madras.
Then its is time to take Madras and raze it? :mischief:

Despite all our best efforts getting Gandhi to space in 100 turns just won't happen.
I'm afraid your analysis is all too true. Our goal now should be to get him as close as possible?

Would it be helpful to raze his crappy northern cities and drive his production to the new continent? :rolleyes:

Roster:
RRAU - UP
Frederiksberg - On Deck
Leif
Cactus Pete
Sanabas - ?
Gator - checked in and recovering!
Bede - just played! :thumbsup:

The submitted save (http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm4/Xteam_SG004_AD1950_01.CivWarlordsSave)

Well the army is afloat to do all that, just off the west coast of India.

You may want to put some jets on one of the carriers.

There is a Great Engineer in Washington, you can use him to build Wall Street or use him and the scientist (in Bibracte I think) to start a Golden Age. Or you can use him to put up Hollywood, though happiness is not really an issue now that the whining for a homeland is over.

The sign up thread is up for a new C-IV SGOTM Vanilla game HERE! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=228830)

How many are up for the challenge? Another Gyathaar special, it seems... ;)

I am, of course, in for the spin in 05!

I am, of course, in for the spin in 05!
:goodjob: Looks interesting.

There is now a pre-game discussion thread HERE. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5608523#post5608523)

And it links to a Succession Game that played through the concept, but it was an OCC, and you can find it here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=166443)

Just in case anyone is interested in reading a bit after they sign up? :D

So.....

What's the gameplan? Raze Madras? Any other ideas? A Pyrric Victory and wipe him off the map?

So.....

What's the gameplan? Raze Madras? Any other ideas? A Pyrric Victory and wipe him off the map?
I think we should do what we talked about earlier, cutting down the size of his Army and forcing Apollo to be built in a city where it won't take forever. Try anything that we can think of to speed him along? :hmm:

We *could* begin our Space Ship and see if we can complete it in time, just for fun?

Let's see, Conquest, Domination and Space Ship launch all at 2050 AD? :rolleyes:

I think we should do what we talked about earlier, cutting down the size of his Army and forcing Apollo to be built in a city where it won't take forever. Try anything that we can think of to speed him along? :hmm:

All of the above make sense to me, and there was mention earlier about razing his useless and therefore costly northern cities.

We *could* begin our Space Ship and see if we can complete it in time, just for fun?

Let's see, Conquest, Domination and Space Ship launch all at 2050 AD? :rolleyes:

I'd prefer not top spend time on such and get the game over with, but will put in my turns if this is a team goal.

I feel the same way as CP - no need for me to do anything except finish this game somehow.

The Apollo Project date is not very important - I'm pretty sure that CRC and Murky Waters are both done with the game since I saw them posting in each others threads.

As far as I'm concerned we could retire now - I don't see the point in playing until 2050 if we are already 100% sure that Gandhi don't have enough time to build the space ship.

:goodjob: Looks interesting.

There is now a pre-game discussion thread HERE. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5608523#post5608523)

And it links to a Succession Game that played through the concept, but it was an OCC, and you can find it here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=166443)

Just in case anyone is interested in reading a bit after they sign up? :D

That does sound interesting. One thing about Gyathaar variants is that you tend to learn something new about the game no matter how much you think you already know. I'd love to play but I'm not sure I'll have enough time. If you don't mind carrying an extra on the bench I can signup and see how my work demands go.

I'd prefer not top spend time on such and get the game over with, but will put in my turns if this is a team goal.
Yes, I agree that there isn't much hope for any type of successful finish to this. I am willing to sit and hit enter until the end if you wish, perhaps trying out a few things along the way as we discussed. Of course, this would be after rrau has finished her turn set, if she wishes? :)

That does sound interesting. One thing about Gyathaar variants is that you tend to learn something new about the game no matter how much you think you already know. I'd love to play but I'm not sure I'll have enough time. If you don't mind carrying an extra on the bench I can signup and see how my work demands go.
This is fine with me Gator. The game begins on July 19th and will probably end quicker than this one, maybe by the end of September with a fast pace towards Domination or Conquest?

Just curious if rrau, CP and Frederiksberg are considering joining the fun for SGOTM05? :cool:

I want to get this one finished first, then read in more detail about the other one. Does anyone know if it's like the Warlords scenario where you don't really build a city?

Speaking of finishing this one............Do I retire or keep plugging along?

Kreep plugging, might as well record the Time Victory :)

As for the next game, I have a few ideas gleaned from a recent AW SG as the Mongols. It was Prince but we didn't have the barbarian partner. In any case I think it closed out with a Conquest victory in the late 1100 AD. There were some variant restrictions that slowed things down a little.

Here is the thread if you want some light reading (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=224281)

I agree. We ought to keep plugging. :)

At this point, I think we all probably want to simply finish it up. :cheers:

OK. I'll get to it tomorrow night after work. Plans tonight.

Finished GOTM19 . . . how about a status report?

1950ad (0) Wake transports and start bombing Lahore with fighters to start the decimation of Indian troops and then to make a push to Madras.

1951ad (1) Trim some of the more dangerous troops by Lahore and land a force to make a run to Madras. Used GE on Wallstreet

1952ad (2) Lost all the troops in the counter offensive, but it did eat up a log of Ghandi's troops. :mischief:

1953ad (3) NOt much

1954ad (4) Not much

1955ad (5) Turfan captured. Picked off troops in Lahore from transports until a single swordsman is left. No troops losses.

1956ad (6) Not much

1957ad (7) Again picked off troops in lahore from transports until a single swordsman is left. We did lose one mech inf. Landed troops to try for Madras again.

1958ad (8) We survived the 3 troop counter offensive :rolleyes:

1959ad (9) Captured Madras :D Only left the capturing Modern armor in it as I don't want to keep it....Just wanted to move Apollo.

1960ad (10) We lost Madras....Now time to hunt for Apollo again. Troops heading towards Calcutta and Karachi......They still have large garrisons of obsolete troops. Other troops I've left parked next to cities to kill all but one defender as they're brought in from other cities. I've got a group of mech inf heading towards Dehli, but Dehli's troops have been replenishing Lahore, I believe as Dehli's garrison is really down now. Maybe they need to head towards Karachi? Transports with 2 battleship escort is on auto to Hadrumentum to pick up more troops, but there's not a full complement for them. There is a carrier there with jet fighters that's waiting for escort back to India's lands.


>>>THE SAVE<<< (http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm4/Xteam_SG004_AD1960_01.CivWarlordsSave)

Good show. Are you taking into consideration that G will get free support for a large number of his units, so we won't benefit his research by eliminating more than 60% of them I would guess?

I was just killin things that moved.

:goodjob: Nice job RRAU!! :rockon:

Like ducks in a shooting gallery? :mischief:

Roster:
Frederiksberg - UP
Leif - On Deck
Cactus Pete
Sanabas - ?
Gator - checked in and recovering!
Bede
RRAU - Just played!!

Got to go and have a look! :D

EDIT - Map looks much more orderly! :lol:
Can't tell what is happening in G's cities as far as War Weariness. Looks like we need to find where Apollo is now, if anywhere? :rolleyes:
Since Izzie is a hollow shell, should we gift her all the techs we know and hope, pray and chant to the RNG Gods that, perhaps, with such a tech lead on G that she will gift something, anything, to G? :hmm:
Once we determine where Apollo is being built, and it is acceptable, perhaps we should back off? Seems as though rrau gave G quite a drubbing... :D

The AI does act on the basis of visible threats. When you back off in the early game, the AI will send out its settlers and workers. Until you do, they just stay holed up in the cities. Let's back well off (except for spies, of course).

Since we are in position to thwart anyone's spaceship, why not gift techs? If a civ feels comfortably ahead, maybe they'll be generous with G.

Mainly though, I think we should proceed with dispatch and move on to the next game.

Mainly though, I think we should proceed with dispatch and move on to the next game.
I agree. There isn't much more we going to achieve with this one. Getting to the end will be a relief! :)

I'm going on 3½ weeks vacation from the 5th of july and I'm quite busy at work to get some things done before I leave so I would really appreciate if I could be skipped.

I have signed up for the SGOTM5 and I expect that my old team mate, Mad Professor, from Memphis Blues will also be joining XTeam as there seems to be no chance of reviving Memphis Blues (have already discussed this with Leif).

I will be back from my holidays on the 26th of july so don't put me too high on the rooster. I'm going to Vegas for a few days and after that I'll be driving for 1½ week in the area of the Great Lakes starting in Chicago. Does any of you US guys know where to go in that area if you are looking for scenic views and good food?

leif . . .

I'm certainly available if needed, but if you want to finish this thing up, please go ahead. Be nice to get a few lines of feedback on what G did and did not do.

Glad to know we're on for the next game. Hope Gator can join us.

Updated Roster:
Leif - UP
Cactus Pete - On Deck
Sanabas
Gator
Bede
RRAU
Frederiksberg - Off on an American adventure! :D

leif . . .

I'm certainly available if needed, but if you want to finish this thing up, please go ahead. Be nice to get a few lines of feedback on what G did and did not do.
Thanks CP. I'll play it for as long as I can and see how close I can get to finishing. I think there are still 90 turns to play. :eek:

Glad to know we're on for the next game. Hope Gator can join us.
Yes, it was nice to see that most wants to remain together. I think that we will do much better as we learn about each other and press on together. :thumbsup:

I'm going on 3½ weeks vacation from the 5th of july and I'm quite busy at work to get some things done before I leave so I would really appreciate if I could be skipped.
Done, hope you have a great time. [party] If you find yourself lost near Boston, let me know and I'll come and rescue you!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I have signed up for the SGOTM5 and I expect that my old team mate, Mad Professor, from Memphis Blues will also be joining XTeam as there seems to be no chance of reviving Memphis Blues (have already discussed this with Leif).
We could use a Mad Professor around here. Does he play the organ? ;)

I will be back from my holidays on the 26th of july so don't put me too high on the rooster. I'm going to Vegas for a few days and after that I'll be driving for 1½ week in the area of the Great Lakes starting in Chicago. Does any of you US guys know where to go in that area if you are looking for scenic views and good food?
You're supposed to go to Vegas last to make sure you have enough $ left to get home! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Never lived in Chicago but I used to get up there from time to time when I was in the US Army, but that was 20 years ago. :eek: There are a lot of really scenic places along the Great lakes, into Michigan and over into Canada. If you like cheese, head up the Wisconsin side! :mischief:

I'm going to Vegas for a few days and after that I'll be driving for 1½ week in the area of the Great Lakes starting in Chicago. Does any of you US guys know where to go in that area if you are looking for scenic views and good food?

Milwaukee for beer and bratwurst, then west to the Wisconsin Dells for views and amusements, then north to Lake Superior for really cold water and wilderness.

I've got it and am starting up.

Looking at the Power Curve, rrau beat G up pretty well. So I may take out a few units but intend to back off, find Apollo and monitor the situation while supplying Izzie with all our techs. See if her +7 with G will net him any techs? :rolleyes:

Objective is to complete this game, somehow???? ;)

Update from the front on Turn 579 - 1969AD
Found Apollo! G is building it in Delhi and it will complete in 21 turns, 1990 AD!
He has captured Samarqand and Thanae and is following the Worker trail towards Old Sarai.
In the cities I have been able to Spy in so far, he has War Weariness pretty much under control. If he can come up with techs, it might get a little bit interesting? :D
Thus far, Izzie has been absolutely no help.
Nothing new there...

I have signed up for the SGOTM5 and I expect that my old team mate, Mad Professor, from Memphis Blues will also be joining XTeam as there seems to be no chance of reviving Memphis Blues (have already discussed this with Leif).

For the record - I'm quite happy to join XTeam for SGOTM5 since Fredericksberg has extended that invitation. It certianly looks like there will be no Memphis Blues team.

I'll even lurk here for the next couple of weeks to see what I might be signing up for... ;)

We could use a Mad Professor around here. Does he play the organ? ;)

I used to be fairly good on the piano leif, but the fingers are a wee bit rusty these days. I don't practice anywhere near enough - well only on the wrong kinds of keyboards! :rolleyes: I've played an organ a few times, but I don't think I live up to the image you're suggesting :lol:

I used to be fairly good on the piano leif, but the fingers are a wee bit rusty these days. I don't practice anywhere near enough - well only on the wrong kinds of keyboards! :rolleyes: I've played an organ a few times, but I don't think I live up to the image you're suggesting :lol:
Well, you do have a bit of time to practice? :p

All we're really looking for is another angle on pleasing the RNG Gods!! :rolleyes:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Welcome to the X's! Should you decide to accept the mission that is? :D

Lol. It does seem that X-Team does get mission impossibles from the RNG gods.

Welcome to the X's! Should you decide to accept the mission that is? :D

Consider it accepted.:)

Lol. It does seem that X-Team does get mission impossibles from the RNG gods.

Well you'll have to get me on a good day. I have once lost a 99.8% battle which is not promising, but then in one GOTM (it was that mountainous american one) I had a cat win a 0.2% battle :D So as long as I play my turnsets at the right time - or the right phase of the moon or something - oh I just wish I knew what the critical factor was! - we should be just fine!

Well you'll have to get me on a good day. I have once lost a 99.8% battle which is not promising, but then in one GOTM (it was that mountainous american one) I had a cat win a 0.2% battle :D So as long as I play my turnsets at the right time - or the right phase of the moon or something - oh I just wish I knew what the critical factor was! - we should be just fine!
I feel your pain!! ;)

We'll just have to put Frederiksberg on the project of determining who is "UP" for a lucky day? Sound right up his alley? :crazyeye:

Welcome to the team, Professor. Are you really mad or just an Aussie?

Dispatch from the front:
It is Turn 592 - 1982 AD
G has taken all of our former continent. He is 9 turns from Apollo, only because he adopted Nationhood and the fool drafted a unit in Delhi. He continues to find a way to lose this.

Izzie is down to one city and will not become G's Vassal? :rolleyes:
I was hoping G could get some tech from her if she was his Vassal, but no luck thus far.

68 turns remain.

Update - Played through 1992, Turn 602.
G completed Apollo in 1991 and immediately started to build SAM Inf. :rolleyes:
Off for bed. :sleep:

Do I see some rays of hope?.......However.......I don't think he'll have enough time to research everything he needs for all the parts....:(

Do I see some rays of hope?.......However.......I don't think he'll have enough time to research everything he needs for all the parts....:(
Research is definitely going to be the problem! :cry:

Welcome to the team, Professor. Are you really mad or just an Aussie?

Well I'm definitely an Aussie...

As for the other, the jury is apparently still out. Some say...

Your good work is appreciated, leif.

Your good work is appreciated, leif.
Thanks CP. The effort is pretty hopeless at this point. :help:

However, it is fun to see how far we can get G along the path. RRAU's idea to take Madras worked pretty well. Now we need another dozen or so miracles...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Looks like the Professor will be quickly assimilated - mad or not :) .

Nice that we at least get the Apollo built! another milestone would be if Gandhi actually starts working on space ship parts. Good work! :goodjob:

Nice that we at least get the Apollo built! another milestone would be if Gandhi actually starts working on space ship parts. Good work! :goodjob:
He is!! :eek:

G is building SS Casings in both Hittite and Birka! :p
:crazyeye: :lol: :lol:

EDIT - It is all over. We won a time victory.

G built 5 SS Casings but took the dumb road up the tech tree so never could build anything else????
Izzie didn't help at all and met her fate when her capitol flipped to us. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Logs, etc. tomorrow.
The save that was uploaded! (http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm4/Xteam_SG004_AD2050_01.CivWarlordsSave)

I've attached the 2049AD save in case anyone is interested. ;)

Relief!

Thanks, leif, for taking this tedious task of finishing a game we knew was beyond any hope of success :hatsoff:

Now we can finally see how the other teams did. I suspect they gave away cities earlier than we did. Maybe they also had a more favourable religious/diplomatic setup.

You're welcome. It wasn't so bad, except that I knew we were going to lose. :sad:

As promised, the log to complete the game:
Turn 570 – 1960 AD
Finally find everything.
Gift our techs to Izzie; including Fascism, Mass Media, Ecology, Fission and Flight. I hold Genetics for now. She winks and smiles at us, generously giving us a +1 in diplo…
However, she is still furious with us.

Turn 572 – 1962 AD
We discover Medicine, start on Fiber Optics.
G captures Samarqand.


Turn 574 – 1964 AD
Screenie of Hittite.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/civgeek/CIVSGOTM04/1964AD_Hittite.jpg

Turn 576 – 1966 AD
G completes Electricity.

Turn 579 – 1969 AD
G captures Thanae. I think he’s getting the hang of this city capture stuff. And he knows how to snag Workers too.
Suppose he could build a Space Ship?

Found the Apollo Program, in Delhi with 21 turns to completion. Screenie:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/civgeek/CIVSGOTM04/1969AD_Delhi_Apollo.jpg

Turn 581 – 1971 AD
Thinking about taking Izzie down to one city, force her to trade with G? She has Workers everywhere improving her tiles and she is starting to rebuild. With G taking so much ground, we are now down to 50% of Land area, lots of room now.
Izzie is building Settlers in some of her cities.

G actually kills one of our Workers, :hmm: must have enough?
In his cities, G is building lots of military units.

Turn 583 – 1973 AD
G captures Beshbalik.
The AI is sure confused, G’s Cavalry is pillaging Towns within his own borders? He’ll never get any research done!! G has 14 turns to go on Industrialism. :rolleyes:

Izzie founds Santander on the old Madrid site.
Begin concentrating troops for a strike on Izzie.

A look at Karakorum:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/civgeek/CIVSGOTM04/1973AD_Karakorum.jpg

Turn 586 – 1976 AD
We discover Fiber Optics and start on Fusion, due in 20 turns.
Use Great Scientist in Bibracte to Lightbulb Fusion, now due in 15 turns.

Turn 587 – 1977 AD
G captures Ning-hsia.

Turn 588 – 1978 AD
Start Apollo in Durnovaria.
Izzie has started constructing the Internet, even after all the techs we gave her. If only G was so ambitious…

Turn 589 – 1979 AD
G captures Old Sarai. He now controls our entire old core area! About time!!
We are now at 43.72% of the domination limit.

Time to go and visit with Izzie! :mischief:
We trade Genetics to Izzie for 260 Gold.
We then declare on Izzie.
We take Zaragosa, Valencia and Burgundian. Three cities left and we’ll let her keep one. If she’d only become G’s Vassal?

Turn 592 – 1982 AD
G adopts nationhood and, you guessed it, begins drafting in Delhi, slowing the build time for Apollo! :rolleyes:

Izzie is down to Pamplona but, even though she won’t talk and has only one tired unit in the city, will not vassalize to G? Pamplona is in desperate straits:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/civgeek/CIVSGOTM04/1982AD_Pamplona.jpg

Turn 595 – 1985 AD
We get a Great Engineer in Bibracte. What to do with him?

Izzie is as stubborn as ever. Won’t talk, won’t become G’s vassal. Makes me just want to send her to electron heaven.

Turn 599 – 1989 AD
Izzie is finally ready to talk. She will capitulate to us, but we don’t want that. We sign a peace deal and I make her adopt Universal Suffrage, as it is Gandhi’s favorite civic, perhaps relations will get better?
Then we gift her Medicine.

Turn 600 – 1990 AD
G gets a Great Prophet.

Turn 601 – 1991 AD
We discover Fusion and begin Future Tech.
We get another Great Engineer.
G completes Apollo, finally! Delhi begin to produce a ……. SAM Inf.

Turn 602 – 1992 AD
Save game and exit for the night.

Reload game and begin playing.

Turn 603 – 1993 AD
Our Spy visits Birka where G is building an SS Casing!
He is researching Plastics, due in 26, long, turns.

Turn 605 – 1995 AD
Another SS Casing is being built in Hittite!!

Turn 606 – 1996 AD
We complete Apollo.

Turn 608 – 1998 AD
G is building an SS Casing in New Sarai.

Turn 609 – 1999 AD
G completes his first SS Casing.

Turn 611 – 2001 AD
G completes his second SS Casing. :D
G is building his Forbidden Palace in Karakorm, perhaps it will increase his research a bit. Speaking of which, he is still on Plastics, due now in 14 turns.

Turn 612 – 2002 AD
G completes another SS Casing.

Interesting that G has built a Market, Grocer and now an Observatory in Delhi. I wonder why it took him so long?

Turn 616 – 2006 AD
G has completed his 5 SS Casings.

Turn 618 – 2008 AD
G is building Scotland Yard in Haithabu.

Turn 623 – 2014 AD
G completes Plastics, starts on Fascism.

Turn 629 – 2019 AD
G gets a Great Engineer.

Turn 632 – 2022 AD
G is building Mt. Rushmore, Wall Street and Iron Works in our old core.
Scotland Yard is nearly complete.

Turn 637 – 2027 AD
G discovers Radio, starts on Mass Media. :cringe:

Pamplona goes into revolt because of our cultural domination.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/civgeek/CIVSGOTM04/2027AD_Pamplona.jpg

What is cultcha anyway?

Turn 640 – 2030 AD
Izzie last city flips to us and she is destroyed!

Turn 643 – 2033 AD
G discovers Radio and starts Flight, due in 8 turns.

Turn 652 – 2042 AD
G discovers Flight, starts Satellites, due in 7 turns.

Game ends in 2050 AD and while we get a Time Victory, we lose the game as G never gets beyond 5 SS Casings…. :rolleyes:

2049 AD city screens where our pies were located:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/civgeek/CIVSGOTM04/2049AD_Delhi.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/civgeek/CIVSGOTM04/2049AD_Bombay.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/civgeek/CIVSGOTM04/2049AD_Haithabu.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/civgeek/CIVSGOTM04/2049AD_Nidaros.jpg

And the Victory Screen on the last turn:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/civgeek/CIVSGOTM04/2049AD_Victory_Screenn.jpg

G finally started building all the improvements he needed to boost research and his financial condition in the 2000's. Had we been able to get him to take more of our core 100 years earlier, he might have completed the Space Ship. As he built, his War Weariness came under control and he actually got aggressive towards the end, a lot of naval attacks all around Indian waters.

I didn't think that someone's capitol could flip, but Izzie's sure did. :eek:

Thank for the game, I enjoyed playing with this team and look forward to further conquests with you all. I appreciate your time, your discussion and your expertise. This was a special scenario that played a bit too much the C-III version, which had its own frustrations.

Looking forward to SGOTM05... :mischief:

As usual a very informative spoiler!

I looked around a bit in the other threads. CRC got Gandhi to launch in 1891 AD and Murky Waters saw him launch in 1947 AD. One Short Straw are having problems quite similar to ours but they may still have time to get G. to launch. I doubt it will be earlier than the two other teams. It's hard to evaluate Peanut and Smurkz since they are not very far in time. A couple of teams have been wiped out (conquest defeat or retired in a hopeless situation). Looks like only a handfull of teams will actually get Gandhi into space.

Nice to see someone made it to space. I'll have a look at other threads later.

Some went to a conquest defeat. :hmm: At least we don't have to worry about a wooden spoon! :eek:

Thanks for the update. :D

Brave finish. leif! Conquesting Isabella with a flip was realy fun to see!

I was quite surprised to see Pamplona flip!

She never gave G a single thing, wouldn't become his Vassal and was the most stubborn... :rolleyes:

However, she deserved what she got; always demanding things but the most ungenerous, well, you know what I mean.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

:eek: :eek: :eek: I didn't know it was possible to culture flip a civ's capital and/or last city.

:bowdown:

A time victory! Nice one. Seems like this game was beyond most of the teams. We got an AI to launch but it was the wrong one. Hannibal instead of Gandhi. Our Gandhi was even more hopeless than your one. He did not even know how to light a skyrocket, let alone a spaceship.

Condolences on your victory :lol:

Condolences on your victory :lol:
We did better than we did with C-III!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

If you run this one a third time in BtS, we might get Gandhi to launch. :rolleyes:
Third time's a charm? :crazyeye:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Happy

July

4th

Good effort, leif.

I'd certainly be curious to know if the critical strategy was just to let G have cities early or if the two successful teams did something we didn't even contemplate (or even know was possible).

Good effort, leif.

I'd certainly be curious to know if the critical strategy was just to let G have cities early or if the two successful teams did something we didn't even contemplate (or even know was possible).
As our team has completed the game and submitted, you are now free to visit any of the other team's threads. I haven't had the time to read them in detail yet, but it appears that those who got G to launch did allow G to conquer their own continent early.

I really need to read more before I can say this was the primary reason. So I'm off to read some more. :)

We struggled with Gandhi taking over our cities because he just insisted on pillaging them back to the stone age before taking them over. We got caught in no-man's land between sort-of letting him take over some cities, and sort of trying to invade the other AI, but really not successfully doing either, because all it took was one AI to get strong and powerful and launch first. Our Gandhi was hopeless and just insisted on continually building more and more armies.

Yes, our Gandhi did much of the same. In addition, his workers would farm over towns and gem sites. It would seem there was a time period of chaos for the AI where it does really dumb things. However, in the last 100 turns, I watched Gandhi get his stuff together and begin to develop his empire in a systematic manner; building Markets, Banks, Libraries and Universities. He was also able to get his War Weariness in check.

It seems to have happened once we removed our Army to the other continent or off the shore in Transports. Perhaps this is why those who were able to get him to take territory early faired better? :crazyeye:

Need to read some more... :mischief:

The ceding of territory to Gandhi was clearly the key. And establishing the new homeland in Hannibal's lands with galleys rather than waiting for galleons.

The ceding of territory to Gandhi was clearly the key. And establishing the new homeland in Hannibal's lands with galleys rather than waiting for galleons.
Just finished reading CRC's thread. All I can say is that I am in awe!! :thumbsup:

Nice finish. :goodjob: