I know this mod's development is winding up, but a fresh, original and unique Mongol UP idea just hit me:

Mangudai: Units withdrawing receive 2 first strikes.

Thats a pretty weak UP, I wouldn't want to have it if I was playing as the mongols. Its a cool idea though for an ability their unique unit could have or something.

I'd be in favor of giving all their units a 30% withdraw chance as a UP. They could get the standard promotions on top of that for mounted units.

That makes Cats and Trebs overpoweringly strong. What if all Mongol units can enter Jungle and Swamp tiles? This will let them flood into Indo-China, India and Siberia with ease and let you attack from jungles/swamps without fear of a counter attack.

I think the current UP is fine, remember that development is winding down/complete.

I think the current UP is fine, remember that development is winding down/complete.

There is a Y line of 2 jungles in Bangladesh. Since they both lack a Plantation resource, there is no way to open land travel between Indo-China and India until Biology. This forces you to expand through Siberia and come down through Persia or continue east through the much more difficult Russia (General Winter and all). Everytime I play, I find it next to impossible to expand quickly enough because of the terrain in central Asia. It doesn't matter if you have 30 units in China if it takes you 20 turns to move them to the front lines.

spam workers and build roads?

That plus Serfdom, sure. I just think it would be a cool UP to go through jungles.

It doesnt make sence for them though, although I still think they should have horse archers as thier own group, with a bonus to infantry and a negative against normal archer units and gunpowder units...

or you could just allow keshiks to enter jungle?

but that makes no sence

but that makes no sence

Hu cares? As long as it enhances gameplay...

But I dont think it does tbh, I like doing the mongol one the long way around...

Thats a pretty weak UP, I wouldn't want to have it if I was playing as the mongols.Hmm. Maybe 3 first strikes then? Or 4? How many first strikes would it need for it to be not so weak?

Its a cool idea though for an ability their unique unit could have or something.That's good point. Never thought of that.

Hard to say how many would make it worth it, its just its not all that often I see my units withdraw. But thats all to do with my playing style. Perhaps if you invested your unit upgrades into withdraw increasing skills it could be worth it but as far as I can see its not worth changing their UP. Its pretty cool as it is and suits the Mongols very well.

How about allowing them to withdraw when defending too? Or normal healing when in enemy borders?

how about once they have defeated X number of units in a city (say 3) then the city and its remaining defenders surrender, working untill the descovary of gunpowder or some other tech, this would certainly make them start with a bang but struggle later on...

All units start with a Mobility promotion? That will let the keshiks run through the desert.