Okay first off, what level? also please submit name offically get some kind of list. 5-6 should be good with a spot saved for Rhye, (he did make the game)

1.Mowque
2. Rhye
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riker. I felt every single malinese bug on my skin with the older versions...

Monarch and warlords, for me. But I'd try emperor if you want

I played with Mali just once, and never finished it. Put me in, I play Vanilla and Warloards.

Hey I'll join in too. Warlords would be best, and I could go with either Monarch or Emperor. I usually do Emperor, but maybe Monarch would be better considering that we're choosing a pretty terrible country.

sorry, unless i cut myself out, it is in Vanillia

please move me 4th or 5th, I'm inadequate to lead the country so early.

So how many turns at a time should we do? Maybe something like 15 or 20?

Has anyone else ever done a SG before? My only experience was that Viking one for RoX.

Yeah, and no cheating Rhye. Adding in script counts!

Looks like you still have an extra slot, so toss me in.

Subscription post.

Gunner, and England-SG is going on already, so yes, they have been done.

let's try 15 turns(maybe less later)? okay how about the middle level? sound good

1.Mowque
2.Gunner
3. Rhye
4.Endungoen
5. Whitefire
6. Hitti-Littli

look good? should i go for UHV?

riker. I felt every single malinese bug on my skin with the older versions...

Monarch and warlords, for me. But I'd try emperor if you want

1.Mowque
2.Gunner
3. Rhye
4.Endungoen
5. Whitefire
6. Hitti-Littli

well, it seems that my post was invisible. My warlords condition was only a preference... I'll limit to some notes. I tried yesterday and I missed the 5k gold for 6 turns, maybe because I wasted time to research calendar

Mowque, I don't want to join, as computer I'm using doesn't run the game smoothly near industrial era. I just subscribed the thread to see how are you doing. :)

I the England-SG is stoped (or not :) who knows).

I don't like the Mali UHV... it is very boring to put :science: to 0% and wait 100+ turns... =P. ( but i can play for UHV, no problem ).

What about others objetives? Conquer Christian Holy City, Take Egypt, Colonize ALL Africa ( this one is good, mainly because Africa is crapp terrain... so it will be hard ).

i like the "make Africa a Super-Power" with maybe italy thrown in..., i'll go for it. I'll start later today.

@Riker, sorry i thought you meant you only had warlords! you can take Hitti-Litti's spot,okay?

Installing Warloards doesn't disable Vanilla, so you can play both. Everybody that play Warloards has Vanilla.

And Can someone say some changes that can interfere in the gameplay between the Warloards Mali and the Vanilla Mali?

Installing Warloards doesn't disable Vanilla, so you can play both. Everybody that play Warloards has Vanilla.

And Can someone say some changes that can interfere in the gameplay between the Warloards Mali and the Vanilla Mali?

Sure thing. First off is the Barbarians. If Egypt falls, which is likely, they can get out of hand until we get a more advanced army. Other than that, just the standard difference between warlords and vanilla: fewer wonders and no UBs. Holy shrines are much more valuable in Vanilla, and would probably help out with the UHV.

What do you think about these being our starting three cities?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/81294/Civ4ScreenShot0000.JPG

Uhm, the land seems difficult from warlords. The capital in Ngazsararasdf is foolish. I'd put it one tile northwest of Waden on the first turn (you can't afford loosing more turns). The third settler on the tile at north of the more eastern elephant.

For me, we should skip Ngazareruarera for later, and build the other cities like I said. In my test, I had no time to build a settler.

Research path: code of laws, civil service. Then 0%, while building a road to Egypt to speed up the second merchant, which gives 1500 gp. The first one is settled in the capital. We need extensive micromanaging

I agree that the Ngazareruarera spot should be left for later. I think Riker's suggestions seem more prudent.

Yeah, there is a lot of useless tiles in the capital ( a.k.a. Jungle =P ).

I never tried the UHV, but i believe that Code of Laws ( for Courthouses ) and Civil Service ( for Bureocracy ) is the only needed tech.

Do we plan to build another settler?

dopuble post

code of laws is for caste system. we'll have no time for a settler, basically we should only build money, trade all our resources and give away all the military as mercs. And I think we'll need a fair amount of luck too

okay o_o. How many turns we have to make 5000:gold:?

Oops, I meant the capital in Wadan. And we should give no military away as mercs. We'll be fighting a constant invasion from Barbs.

In warlords, I attacked an independent worker in Iol. That was the only combat in which I was involved(and an Independent trireme parked on one of my water tiles for all the game, annoying)

Yeah, but in Warlords, independents don't attack you. In Vanilla, civs collapse into barbarian cities. So if Egypt collapses and isn't absorbed by Arabia, that's a huge area producing units to throw at anyone in the area.

>_< i hate vanilla.... :)

Well, more challenge better will be the reward...

Why Independent don't attack? They're too peaceful, haven't army big enough or something else?

Since its going to be vanilla keep in mind our five free victories against barbs. They can be quite nice to rack up some amazing xp.

So, when we are going to start? do we have a date or something?

i thought this was out of my hands when we deicded to go to the UHV.

I think I don't get want you want to mean... o_o'

So, when do we start?

today, in about 3-4 hours. i'll not be going for UHv (i'm not that good) sorry. start your own if you want.You can share the thread (good luck)

here is the save. very basic start

Umm, is that the right save? Just wondering because it says Julius Caesar 1946 AD.

In any case I'll be able to play sometime tomorrow afternoon.

it is, all my saves are on that one.

it is, all my saves are on that one.
Well thats a bit confusing :crazyeye: Why don't you just rename it?

In any case though, same as I said before, I'll do my part tomorrow afternoon.

i like confusion!

Alright, here's my report. I began at turn 198 and ended on turn 214. My basic plan was to go for the UHV, which I think should still be possible. I followed the previously suggested idea of getting Code of Laws and Civil Service before we go into hyper wealth generation mode. For improvements I concentrated on cottages and mines that make us lots of money.

Things started out well when on turn 201 we were declared the wealthiest by a global survey! :clap: Unfortunately, our scientists hadn't yet discovered the technology of taking screenshots. A full scale investigation has been launched as to who was responsible for this oversight :mischief:

We also learned on turn 201 that the Indian civ was destroyed.

Next bit of news came on turn 202, when we had two simultaneous discoveries! The people were a bit confused by the large banners in the streets declaring that we had discovered the art of taking screenshots, considering that they don't know what a screen or a shot is. Code of Laws was, however, easier to grasp and there was much wild partying[party] (oh yeah, birthday style :cool: )
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4130/civ4screenshot0000gk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
We also switched to Caste system and Hereditary Rule on 202.

Turns 204 and 205 saw the founding of Wagadugu (what a great name) and the completion of our first elephant! It think elephants are just about the perfect unit for us for two reasons. One, they have a chance of beating Camel Archers who are going to become real pains for us at some point. They also can be sold as mercenaries for a good amount of money, and for some reason I seem to think that the AI likes to buy them. So going along with this, the elephant was immediately contracted out for mercenary duty.
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6082/civ4screenshot0002cg1.th.jpg (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civ4screenshot0002cg1.jpg)

On turn 206 our scouting skirmisher met Saladin (we even managed to get a screenshot of it!). Hopefully we'll be able to trade Civil Service to him in a few turns for something. Our skirmisher also discovered that Egypt has been overrun by barbarians. Just to prove that he wasn't faking he decided to get killed by them.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/159/civ4screenshot0001tu8.th.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=civ4screenshot0001tu8.jpg)

From there things went pretty uneventfully until turn 214. I had been meaning to play 15 turns, but then I lost count. Its tough when you can only check the turn by opening the save menu.


Next up, Rhye! Time for the creator to show us his mad skillz ;)
1.Mowque
2.Gunner
3. Rhye <--
4.Endungoen
5. Whitefire
6. Riker

First Book of Rhyeism:

Part One:

And after turn 214, the misled players turned to ask Rhye's help.

:mischief:

"Rhye bless you and keep you; the Modder make His face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; the Modder lift up His countenance upon you and give you peace."

got it. Thanks to Mowque for notifying...I had completely forgotten

Dawn of a new era

In an unrecorded year Rhye I the Unready rose to power, after the assassination of his predecessor Gunnergu I.

In this dark age the Malinese people lost the knowledge of making screenshots, by the way.

The new king claimed to be no less crazy than Caligula, and ordered the making of a giant mountain of gold, that would make this barren land the envy of the known world. Within just a few years.



Prominent age


The king obtained what he wanted. He was celebrated for his first victory, and no more called the Unready. In this period of wealth, the Malinese kingdom received gifts from the powerful French king, and succesfully repelled barbarian attacks.

(It looks like the French have just captured Vienna. I'll post a screenshot as soon as my servants take it)




Decline (?)



Death and civil war (??)

I take screenshots just by pressing the PrtScn key on my keyboard. They are stored in \My Documents\My Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\ScreenShots.

Oh man! Rhye is a complete noob! XD

Just kidding...

How many turns are we playing? 20? 15? 25?

15 seems to be the number we agreed on previously. Since we're not going for the UHV (Maybe a space race win?) this will be a rather long game. I don't mind people fudging and going an extra couple in order to finish taking a city, building a wonder, whatever. It sucks to leave in the middle of something and it sucks even more to have to start playing in the middle of something.

yeah, we should be flexaible with turn amounts, we are kinda heading towards a UHV but we won't (IMO) have the disiplince this one requires. i think takeing all of Africa is a good start!

Stagnation


There was no decline and calamities as predicted by prophets, but rather a quiet stagnation.
More or less, nothing happened. The only exception being plague striking all throughout Europe but carefully avoiding our holy land.

I think we should try to go for the UHV. If we fail, well, then we can go on a massive rush buying and mercenary signing spree! Now tell me that wouldn't be fun :p

Next up, Edungeon. Good luck!

Okay, i will play and try the UHV...

=P I tried to play... but i really screw up everything, i can't play right in vanilla... T_T.

So, WhiteFire you can play =P I'm passing my turn and retiring from the game =\

That doesn't sound goodfor my turn =(. I'll try and play this by the end of the day.

As a lurker, I will be very intereted to se if this UHV is even possible with the advent of plague. I tried it and could not get CLOSE to 20,000 gold.

I've unlocked some secrets and I'll not have time to play for at least one week. Sorry... This sg seems cursed

And lo, the Evil One did place a curse on Mali, and all its peoples.
Sorry, I felt the urge.

Sorry for the delay. I completely forgot we were doing this hehe. Since I took so long with posting the game, I figured I'd show up Rhye, I mean...make the write up worth it. Skip to the end for the tl;dr version.

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Herein lies the Journal of His Glorious Eminence, Mansa Musa IV The Prosperous. May his glorious reign be accurately recorded and all who speak ill of His Glorious Eminence stand cursed in the name of Allah!

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Two years after my birth, my father Mansa Musa III, The Unready, sent me to France. He did so to protect me from the assasins that had killed his previous two children. Little did he know, the Black Death would soon befall Europe. Thankfully, my father had wisely chosen Louis as his confidant. He secluded me in a Benedictine Monastery and I was spared the touch of Death.

Locked in the monastery, safely secluded from the plague, I had little to do but read. By age 5 I had learned Latin. By age 10 I had added French, English, Spanish and several Germanic tongues to my repitoire. With this arsenal of language in my hands, I was able to glean much from the Philosophers and Politicians of Europe. In particular, a young man by the name of Giovanni di Bicci de' Medici. His thoughts on domination through wealth fascinated my natural greedy heart. I decided that I too would rule my nation through gold, not force.

On my 15th birthday, the customary age that my people hold as Manhood, I returned to my homeland of Mali. I was greeted with much love from my parents, shock from the would-be assassins and much celebration from the people since I was the sole heir to survive the slaughter. With my father's abdication of the throne, I set to work reforming the nation.

It was time for our people to abandon our Barbaric roots. I implemented a new system of Bureaucracy in order to better tax*cough*serve the people. While there was resistance to the paperwork at first, it was quickly quelled and Mali prospered.

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A young man by the name of Hanno was born in Timbuktu shortly after the revolution. Now a young man, he came to the elder council seeking patronage. He had taken to heart many of the books I had returned with from Europe. He even took the initiative to speak, read and even write Latin. Such initiative was not seen among any of the children of Mali, even the sponsored merchants those embezling demons. May Allah curse them to 10 hells! Amen.

He came, speaking of the value of these clear rocks littering our land. He was certain of the value of these rocks, if only he could sell them in Europe. No amount of reason, heckling or even physical punishment would dissuade him. Seeing much of myself in him I accepted him and commissioned a vessel for Hanno to sail to Europe.

To be honest, I only saw my own greedy heart. That amount of character has always eluded me

This decision was met with shock by the elder council. So much shock, that it left them speechless to object. I ordered Oshogbo to stop farming and collect as many Elephant ribs for the hull of the ship as they could. Meanwhile, Hanno began his solitary effort to gather as many of the clear rocks as he could.

To be honest - honest twice in a day? perhaps Hanno is rubbing off on me - I too had my doubts in Hanno's idea. But I needed an excuse to build a ship so I could visit my second home of France.

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Having been many years since my return, and the elders suitably cowed, I took a trip to meet my second father Louis. Upon my arrival in France, I learned that Louis had succumbed to the Black Death himself. His son, Louis, had since assumed the throne. We quickly founded a deep friendship once we discovered our mutual circumstances. Both of us had been raised in a Monastery for our own protection.

With a new life-long friend at the throne of France, I felt confident in securing several agreements with his country. We agreed to mutual open borders to encourage taxation, er, trade. Also, I agreed to ship him the tusks of the many elephants we had been slaughtering in Oshogbo in exchange for badly needed grain and a little gold for the royal coffers.

What value these tusks had I haven't a clue. But the light in Louis's eye upon seeing my necklaces was all the confirmation I needed of their wealth. Perhaps Hanno was on to something.

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With the combination of my hiring of state merchants to administer taxes, Hanno's success with his pie-in-the-sky plan and a glut of trading opportunity with France, it was only natural that Merchanting became the new profession. These merchants quickly started claiming cities and trade routes for their own guilds - yet another concept imported from Europe. I was glad to see my people so willingly embracing European mercantilism. I ordered my governors to begin construction on markets in order to better exploituh..ah herm. Facilitate the many new merchants.

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Most exciting news today! A distant land named Mongolia came with a contract for our Elephant Mercenary. After seeing the gold they paid us, we ordered the governor of Wagadugu to stop construction of the Grocer and fisnish training a new regiment for contract.

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The galley was finally complete at Oshogbo. Hanno's dream, and the security of my family line, were placed into the hold of that ship. Hanno deported with heckles of sailing his ship to the bottom of the ocean. Much to the surprise of the children of Mali, the ship not only floated, but sailed faster than any ship they had seen before. The new sailing I had learned from my last trip to France was put to good use. This day was christened the Folly of Hanno. But that changed when Hanno did not return.

Sadly, I could not visit France and my good friend Louis on this trip. My throne was in a tenuous position over the culmination of my decision and I would not allow my family to be eaten by the ravenous elders. I instead sent a emissary on my behalf. Below is his recount of the events that transpired.

Upon hearing that I would be cursed with traveling upon Hanno's Folly I begged Allah to reveal to me what sin I had commited. It soon became apparent to me that I was not at fault, rather His Glorious Eminence had been possessed. I did not want to believe the rumors, but I could no longer deny it. This order was all the proof I needed.

The Elders could not find enough evidence to way the people before the day of Hanno's folly. I was damned along with the crew. Upon boarding the ship, I immediately ran to my cabin and began praying to Allah to keep us afloat. When thunderous wave of heckling arose outside, I knew we would sail soon. All of the crew was trembling in fear, shackled to their stations by His Glorious Eminence Himself, while I stayed secluded in my cabin. We set sail and thanks to my prayers, we survived.

But this was only the first day, and we had many weeks before we would feel steady land under out feet again.

Today, I began to question the words of the elders.

After weeks of successful avoidance, Hanno trapped me when I was speaking with the navigator. Since I was telling a particularly amusing joke about Hanno collecting stars to sell to the fish, I switched to Latin to finish. Then Hanno complimented me in Latin! I was too shocked to acknowledge his compliment and quickly left to cover my surprise.

How could this barbarian of a man, a holder of the old ways, know Latin? He had never set foot inside the Academy and I had never seen him read a book. All I or anyone else had seen him do is gather his precious glass stones. Yet I could not deny that he not only comprehended my perfect Latin, but responded, albeit it in a rather barbaric grammar. I must think about this.

Just two days ago I had come to fully trust Hanno. Now I know, that is what the Devil was waiting for.

I told him time and again that Spain would not let anyone friendly with Louis to pass through there borders. Especially not to send them a cargo full of goods. But the Devil did not care. He chained the men to their station, locked me in the cabin and sailed the ship through Spainish waters, the depths of the waters.

To my last breath I will curse the name of Hanno and his master Mansa Musa IV, The Devil. May they feel the flames of Judgement for my innocent life.

The end of our journey is at hand. After braving the waters of Spain and the Moors, we safely arrived in Rome. Hanno's assumption that the great ships of Spain would not bother with such a weak vessel.

We have rechristened the Hanno's Folly to The Blessed. And Hanno truly has been blessed. Upon arrival in Rome, we were met by an emissary from France quickly transported us to Paris where we met with Louis. Hanno promptly showed Louis a few stones from our cargo.

If I had not been forewarned, I would never have thought Louis more than a greedy Academy novice after seeing those stones. It turned out that Hanno was right about the diamonds. In return for the diamonds, Louis guaranteed protection of our cargo from thieves and safe passage through Spanish waters on our return to Mali.

While traveling back to Rome to sell the rest of our cargo, we were intercepted by Lorenzo de' Medici, great-great-grandson of Giovanni di Bicci de' Medici and Lord of Florence. He made us an offer that surprised even Hanno. He would pay us twice the weight of the diamonds in gold. Showing himself a merchant that only Mali could spawn, Hanno haggled for 4 times their weight in gold and instructions on a new enterprise the Medici were running.

With such a wealth of gold and knowledge from his Folly, Hanno was sure to become a hero in Mali. But on the day of departure, Hanno informed me that he would be staying in Florence. Giovanni had offered Hanno an offer to travel down the Silk Road and see Mongolia, a land we had heard about so long ago. He wanted to see if our countrymen were still alive and well and explore an new land.

I promise you Hanno, you shall forever be remembered in Mali has The Blessed.

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Today, I abdicate my throne. The coffers of Mali have grown threefold in my reign, much due to the work of The Blessed Hanno. With my throne secure, my son, Mansa Musa V, will have new knowledge of Banking from Europe to implement. But that is his worry now. I travel to Italy to finish my days. I hear word of a Renaissance from there, and I do wish to see such beauty before my eyes dim.

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tl;dr version

Discovered Guilds and Banking.
Got the Great Merchant, built a Galley.
Sailed to Europe, declared war on Spain, snuck past to Rome.


Oh, and Rhye, Timbuktu is stuck at 7 population. I have no idea why it won't grow to 8 if you can check that out.

When I played Timbuktu was with "Turn off grow" turned on :P

Very good report... i prefer it with one or three sreenshoots... but it is very good :goodjob:

wow, nice story Whitefire...

so, Timbuktu growth was just turned off by someone, right?

Who's next? Riker?

I liked the story, I might put them all together when it's done and make a "Chronicles of Mali" page

Very nice Whitefire. You've raised the bar for the rest of us ;)

I was the one who turned the growth in Timbuktu off, since it was at its happiness limit at the time. It didn't occur to me that others wouldn't know what to do about it. You simply press the button associated with it, which is at the bottom of the city screen near where you can draft and hurry production.

Next up, Riker! Good luck :)
1.Mowque
2.Gunner
3. Rhye
4. Whitefire
5. Riker <--

I was the one who turned the growth in Timbuktu off, since it was at its happiness limit at the time. It didn't occur to me that others wouldn't know what to do about it. You simply press the button associated with it, which is at the bottom of the city screen near where you can draft and hurry production.

I'd ask to replay my turns, but I definitely don't want to risk sailing past Spain again.

How much extra happiness have we gained? I wouldn't imagine it is more than two.

How much extra happiness have we gained? I wouldn't imagine it is more than two.

One with another Skirmisher fortifying on the city tile. The thing is, that's 36 GPPs that we misssed out on.

I liked the story, I might put them all together when it's done and make a "Chronicles of Mali" page

Let me know before you do that. The story needs some major editing before it gets stuck on the wiki. And thanks for the compliments. I'm always nervous about sharing unpolished works with people.

I've unlocked some secrets and I'll not have time to play for at least one week. Sorry... This sg seems cursed

Sorry again. But as you can imagine from someone who posts at 5.10 am, I need to pass. Maybe it's better if you find a substitute, I must stay away from civ as long as possible to complete some tasks. I wish I could use the whip in rl (but maybe I would die in the process, I don't know...)